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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Johnny_tro on October 14, 2010, 12:29:17 pm
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can someone please tell me, whats the difference between full HD and 1080p, 1080i
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Full HD is 1080p
1080i/720p is just high definition.
If your getting a tv just make sure its 1080p and you cant go too far wrong. plenty of opinions on brands/costs/quality you could be researching for years :grin:
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Don't wanrt 3d - no enough stuff out for my liking.
Key aspects then for a good TV....
Has to be FULL HD (1080p) 600hz and LED ?
1080i < This is a tv that upscales?
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1080i vs p, many people that looking for a brand new HD TV(High-Definition TV) would be very interesting to know what they mean, which one is better?
Let me explain, 1080 means the video source resolutions is 1920 x 1080(horizontally 1920 pixels, vertically 1080 pixels).
i and p stand for two different scan way.
i is short for Interlaced Scan.
p is short for Progressive Scan.
First of first, I must state 1080i or 1080p property may apply on two things, one is the display equipment like plasma and LCD TV, or the video source like TV broadcast, DVD player, Playstation 3.
Technically 1080p is better than 1080i.
The concept of Interlaced Scan originated from the CRT TV. It displays the 1080i sources line by line in two passes. To be exact, odd numbered line by odd numbered line, then even by even. The scan speed is very quick which is done in less than 0.03 second, due to the image holding effect of human eye, we will still see a integrated image. While progressive scan only needs one pass to display all the lines which result in a sharper image, especially when you watch sport matches, action movie and other fast moving videos. Nowadays all HDTV in the market supports 1080p, actully the plasma TV and LCD TV doesn’t need to scan at all, every pixels on the screen emit lights at the exact same time. With such inherent property, HDTV is able to display 1080p video even the resolution of video source is 1080i by utilizing it’s built-in convey system.
So now we can stop discussing this question on HDTV level, instead we should refer 1080p vs. 1080i to the video source resolution, in other word, it is about what scan mode the HD camcorder use to shoot the video. I should make a note that the HDTV broadcast is using either 1080i or 720p for the sake of saving the bandwidth. Anyway you would watch the genuine 1080p video on Blue Ray DVDs and Playstation3 games, or filmed by an 1080p camcorder.
In conclusion, there is nonsense to compare 1080i and 1080p at display level or compare HDTV based on 1080i and 1080p, because 1080P is a build-in feature for most HDTV now, and you shouldn’t even worry too much about the resolution of video source, HDTV still can display 1080i source with 1080p resolution. So a 1080p vs 1080i comparison can only be made on video source level or a HD camcorder.
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you type quick jpc!
LED if you want...but not really, 3D will soon disappear imo.
Plasma above 40" IMO
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Very helpfull ppl.
LED & full HD must have some added benifits? otherwise how can they justifiy a 42 inch @£800 or a LED and £2000? is this just a sales/marketing ploy? is the £800 just as good?
Me - Like high quality films!! I want the sharpest of sharp images!!
Much like photo's - is a std 42" better pic than a 52? i.e increase the size loose some res?
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Very helpfull ppl.
LED & full HD must have some added benifits? otherwise how can they justifiy a 42 inch @£800 or a LED and £2000? is this just a sales/marketing ploy? is the £800 just as good?
Me - Like high quality films!! I want the sharpest of sharp images!!
Much like photo's - is a std 42" better pic than a 52? i.e increase the size loose some res?
Depends on the source.
its down to your budget! if you have 2k for a tv i recommend LED.
What is your budget?
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budget - £1k
however, from what I understand - so long as it's full HD is the price just a ploy? is a £500 as good as the £2k so long as full HD?
LED - brighter colours?
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its all about the blacks, LED (technically its not LED tv but thats another story) LED can show better blacks, to bridge the gap between plasms and lcd tv.
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just asked the people in the know
look at the Panasonic g20 range... apparently and i quote "You'll not see motion like it on any other TV."
These are guys that are paid to know everything there is to know about home cinema, they get given the kit to play with....
i said to him 1k 42 - 50" tv for watching moves.
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some of the LED samsungs put other TV's to shame these days.
you only have to walk into currys and see the difference in the blacks. Thats my next telly i think, although i think ive still got a good few years out of my panasonic viera plasma
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Cheers ppl. I kow Currys and stuff should help, sometimes depends on the sales guy I think. One by me, sometimes I think he know less than me :(
So, I think my key features are - if you agree....
FULL HD LED 600hz ?
and as per my last question.....does an increase from 42 to 52 loose some pixel within the pic? like stretching a photo?
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Don't wanrt 3d - no enough stuff out for my liking.
Key aspects then for a good TV....
Has to be FULL HD (1080p) 600hz and LED ?
1080i < This is a tv that upscales?
To be honest you really need to look at them and choose which YOU think is the best picture for you.
The debate on Plasma/LED/LCD will go on and on, everyone advising a different one.
At the time i bought a Panasonic 100HZ plasma which knocked the spots of any LCD but I look now and the latest LCD sets look so much better. But saying that I am more than happy with the plasma.
Another thing, dont skimp on a decent aerial/leads
my two pence worth!!
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and as per my last question.....does an increase from 42 to 52 loose some pixel within the pic? like stretching a photo?
If its HD content you wont notice this at all
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Another thing, dont skimp on a decent aerial/leads
my two pence worth!!
another long argument, a 1m HDMI cable you wont notice the difference IMO due to it being a digital signal at the end of the day but 1M + long cables i have noticed massive differences between cheap + more expensive cables.
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Thanks guys. Know leads a key!!
Finally.....
LED < Better blacks, sharper colour?
LCD < ?
Plasma < Always thought the plasma was the early versionof the obove?
Details on above - is there any real difference?
Ooooh yes, my main aim is probably high end films (blue-ray/ps3)
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Thanks guys. Know leads a key!!
Finally.....
LED < Better blacks, sharper colour?
LCD < ?
Plasma < Always thought the plasma was the early versionof the obove?
Details on above - is there any real difference?
Ooooh yes, my main aim is probably high end films (blue-ray/ps3)
Your not using your PS3 for Bluray films are you?
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Remember that 60% of a cinematic experience is sound! dont just use standard TV speakers! invest in the correct audio!
LED better blacks, brighter image. uses less power
plasma even better blacks, better for fast moving fottage.
http://www.lcdorplasma.com.au/fastMovingFootage.html#/home
a good little demo
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PS3 @ moment yes - why?
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PS3 @ moment yes - why?
Its not great at Bluray play back plus the older versions cant output sound in true HD.
If your buying a Awesome TV you dont want to let it down with what you are feeding it, if you get my drift!
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I do, hence why I need help lol
As above.
Think I have an idea......just knowing LCD, LED or plasma.
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Plasma's degrade over time and can burn the the screen with things like sky's dog's(channel identifiers in the corners)
LED is the best of the bunch atm with better blacks, not perfect but not bad - still worse than plasma. And LED's use less power than an ordinary backlit LCD and allot less than a plasma.
OLED's are better than LED tv's, but last I heard sony posponed the release of these for the forseeable future.
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http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&q=lg+200hz+tv&cid=9631430252023565067&ei=TwS3TPC-GpfM2AS_3KSmCQ&sa=title&ved=0CB0Q8wIwBDgA#p
^^ i got that for £350 and its fecking awesome!!! 200htz, Full HD, COD looks amazing on it! :smiley:
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£350 ??????? where from dude
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Plasma's degrade over time and can burn the the screen with things like sky's dog's(channel identifiers in the corners)
LED is the best of the bunch atm with better blacks, not perfect but not bad - still worse than plasma. And LED's use less power than an ordinary backlit LCD and allot less than a plasma.
OLED's are better than LED tv's, but last I heard sony posponed the release of these for the forseeable future.
Plasma havent had any burn problems for years!! And even the old sets usually have a"go into dark mode" if left on for ages as in overnight.
See what I mean everyone has a view be it right or wrong. LOOK AT THEM WITH YOUR OWN EYES and make a decision, take out the Plasma/OLED/LED/ xyz from your logic. It will be out of date anyway within 6 months!!!
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ive got about 6 15m long monster cables going from all my "sources" to my tv. They go thru walls and ceilings to make it all seamless. I nearly cried when i found out how much they cost!!!!
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Another thing, dont skimp on a decent aerial/leads
my two pence worth!!
another long argument, a 1m HDMI cable you wont notice the difference IMO due to it being a digital signal at the end of the day but 1M + long cables i have noticed massive differences between cheap + more expensive cables.
I changed my HDMI cables to QED and noticed an immediate difference.
Or did I just think i did?
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IMHO Plasma is the best for Movies and motion.
Panasonic V10 50" for me.
THX certified.
If you can pick a a Pioneer if money no object good luck.
But I wouldn't have anything else.
I use PS3 for Blu Ray with no issues and its stunning.
And an Arcam Solo Movie for DVD/Sound.
Always spend 10% on cables why spend £2k on tv (I didn't) and put an ebuyer cable on it that cost £2!
Over and out.
:nerd:
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IMHO Plasma is the best for Movies and motion.
Panasonic V10 50" for me.
THX certified.
If you can pick a a Pioneer if money no object good luck.
But I wouldn't have anything else.
I use PS3 for Blu Ray with no issues and its stunning.
And an Arcam Solo Movie for DVD/Sound.
Always spend 10% on cables why spend £2k on tv (I didn't) and put an ebuyer cable on it that cost £2!
Over and out.
:nerd:
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Didnt want to sound biased but Panasonic Plasma for me everyday of the week. Value & performance it cant be beat!
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£350 ??????? where from dude
some guy's front room in manchester! i can get you his number if you like?? he always has loads of brand new TV's for cheap as chip's :smiley:
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£350 ??????? where from dude
some guy's front room in manchester! i can get you his number if you like?? he always has loads of brand new TV's for cheap as chip's :smiley:
Typical Joe :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Also if a film/game/progamme is sh*t it will still be sh*t in 3D HD 7.1!
If its good it will still be good in black and white mono.
So here it is my personal example, Transformers, is a pretty sh*t film which they have tried to rescue with effects and quality but its still sh*t. Watch the same on a B&W mono and you would turn it off.
But, keeping it in the same Genre, The Matrix (1st one not the other 2 cash cows) or Lord of the Rings for another genre, you could quite happily sit and watch anywhere!
Debate started!
:popcornsoda:
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Another thing, dont skimp on a decent aerial/leads
my two pence worth!!
another long argument, a 1m HDMI cable you wont notice the difference IMO due to it being a digital signal at the end of the day but 1M + long cables i have noticed massive differences between cheap + more expensive cables.
I changed my HDMI cables to QED and noticed an immediate difference.
Or did I just think i did?
if its hdmi, you did. :happy2:
Theres only 2 variables of hdmi, the other version is worth hundreds of pounds and may give marginal difference. Monster Cables made Hi quality scart leads which will make a difference to your picture definition/resolution.But im afraid, same theory doesnt apply when it comes to hdmi leads and Lenghts affecting Picture quality.
Ive just spent a day at My works HQ at Osterley, london, Skys Main HQ.
We were testing skys new HD service today, and for me, its a deffinate on my shopping list, but there isnt enough content to back up the "Need" for this technology in my house.Even though my sky bill is Free every month near enough.
Give it a year , and there will be progression into further screen technology and the use of 3D specs :smiley:
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I bought another expensive make and changed it to the QED ones.
I kept getting HDCP failure with the original so switched to QED and problem was solved.
They are the QED PS3 branded cable but are exactly the same as the purple award winning QED performance version but with a better HDMI connector.
Better picture, and they work.
One of those things you fit and forget like Poly Bushes, but make a massive difference.
Another thing to note when I bought my Plasma last year, because they are more compact now and sit closer to the wall I had to chissel a 300x300x25 deep recess for all the cables to go into the back of the TV.
Obviously not a problem if its on a stand but worth a mention.
For the record my personal favourite Blu ray is Benjamin Button. The scenery is truly amazing.
J
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Here' a quick mental dump for what it is worth...
No matter what the size and type of display panel type you consider - the video and image processing play a HUGE part in the quality of the image. Each panel technology has it's strengths and trade-offs. It's like asking if a pear is better than an apple. Both may be fruits but there are two very different things.
Plasma
These have the best colour gamut of all the panels. Colour reproduction is real life and skin tones look natural. Examining skins tones between panels is usually a good litmus test of a TV.
The largest players were Pioneer with their Kuro range and Panasonic with Viera.
Plasmas produce near perfect blacks - without any artificial circuit wizardry. This is because each pixel is an individual gas chamber which can be individually controlled for luminance and colour - without any lag.
Manufacturing costs are inhibitive with this technology - not least the cost of Phosphor. Both Pioneer and Panasonic found it increasingly difficult to justify the price premium in comparison to LCD counterparts which to the vast majority of people were adequate.
I have to stress this is not old technology. Pioneer decided to bail out of producing plasmas due to a change in consumer demand and the cost of sustaining their fabrication plants.
Panasonic - make there own panels and image processing circuitry. I cannot stress how important this is...the Viera processing engine is recognised to be one of the best.
The myth about the panels fading...is a bit of a fake argument. Most plasma panels can display way above the comfortable viewing range of brightness. This brightness is not the fake rating given for LCD panels where they artificially exaggerate certain aspects of the image to give the impression of brightness. Anyway, to cut a long story short...plasmas have built in circuitry to hold back brightness over the lifespan of the TV. So, even if you have the contrast and brightness set to 100% the TV records the time the panel has been used and compensates for it - by as much as 30%. Well over a period of 5 years of the life of the TV before you start experiencing the fade effect.
Plasmas to do not suffer from viewing angle issues. The image will look exactly the same from any angle - vertically or horizontally. LED and LCDs have an optimal viewing angle before the image starts looking a funny shade or hue of the true image.
LED
Best ones around that I have seen so far are from the Samsung and Philips range. Samsung are also one of the three largest manufacturers of display panels across LED and LCDs.
These panels can suffer from colour saturation problems, i.e. basic colours such as red, green, and blue can jump out and look unnatural. Sanyo have taken a different approach to the traditional RGB pixels - but with limited success.
Can suffer from video lag between video source and display. Don't understand how or why...but its a common theme across these. May be its the way LEDs behave....
On the positive side LEDs panels are very slim as each pixel can control its own light and so no back light is required. This is probably the future. Despite the panels being more expensive than LCDs the fabrication cost is actually less as there are fewer panels which fail the quality checks which has plagued LCD production.
Viewing angles are an issue if you do not watch your TV dead on. LED panels have better viewing angle range than most LCDs.
LCD
Can suffer from video lag when changing colour of pixels. This is where you get smearing and ghosting of moving objects.
Some manufacturers have tried to eliminate this by increasing the refresh rate of the image, e.g. 100Hz, 200Hz, 600Hz, etc.
These also suffer from bleeding back light and being able to maintain consistent brightness across the screen, as these typically use a lamp or 'backlight'.
Also there are two/three different types of LCD panels, TN, IPS and the other one I forget. But basically the IPS is the best one, i.e. is for colour and image response times.
Best panels I have come across are the Phillips range. The PixelHD video processing is one of the best ones around.
This technology is probably the most mature of the lot, but panels do suffer from the dreaded dead pixel syndrome. This is where a speck (or more) appear in the panel. The tricky thing here is that all manufacturers have different policies on how many pixels have to fail before they will replace the panel. Trust me, even when you get a single dead pixel on a 19" monitor - it drives you crazy.
Viewing angles are an issue if you do not watch your TV dead on.
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Here' a quick mental dump for what it is worth...
No matter what the size and type of display panel type you consider - the video and image processing play a HUGE part in the quality of the image. Each panel technology has it's strengths and trade-offs. It's like asking if a pear is better than an apple. Both may be fruits but there are two very different things.
Plasma
These have the best colour gamut of all the panels. Colour reproduction is real life and skin tones look natural. Examining skins tones between panels is usually a good litmus test of a TV.
The largest players were Pioneer with their Kuro range and Panasonic with Viera.
Plasmas produce near perfect blacks - without any artificial circuit wizardry. This is because each pixel is an individual gas chamber which can be individually controlled for luminance and colour - without any lag.
Manufacturing costs are inhibitive with this technology - not least the cost of Phosphor. Both Pioneer and Panasonic found it increasingly difficult to justify the price premium in comparison to LCD counterparts which to the vast majority of people were adequate.
I have to stress this is not old technology. Pioneer decided to bail out of producing plasmas due to a change in consumer demand and the cost of sustaining their fabrication plants.
Panasonic - make there own panels and image processing circuitry. I cannot stress how important this is...the Viera processing engine is recognised to be one of the best.
The myth about the panels fading...is a bit of a fake argument. Most plasma panels can display way above the comfortable viewing range of brightness. This brightness is not the fake rating given for LCD panels where they artificially exaggerate certain aspects of the image to give the impression of brightness. Anyway, to cut a long story short...plasmas have built in circuitry to hold back brightness over the lifespan of the TV. So, even if you have the contrast and brightness set to 100% the TV records the time the panel has been used and compensates for it - by as much as 30%. Well over a period of 5 years of the life of the TV before you start experiencing the fade effect.
Plasmas to do not suffer from viewing angle issues. The image will look exactly the same from any angle - vertically or horizontally. LED and LCDs have an optimal viewing angle before the image starts looking a funny shade or hue of the true image.
LED
Best ones around that I have seen so far are from the Samsung and Philips range. Samsung are also one of the three largest manufacturers of display panels across LED and LCDs.
These panels can suffer from colour saturation problems, i.e. basic colours such as red, green, and blue can jump out and look unnatural. Sanyo have taken a different approach to the traditional RGB pixels - but with limited success.
Can suffer from video lag between video source and display. Don't understand how or why...but its a common theme across these. May be its the way LEDs behave....
On the positive side LEDs panels are very slim as each pixel can control its own light and so no back light is required. This is probably the future. Despite the panels being more expensive than LCDs the fabrication cost is actually less as there are fewer panels which fail the quality checks which has plagued LCD production.
Viewing angles are an issue if you do not watch your TV dead on. LED panels have better viewing angle range than most LCDs.
LCD
Can suffer from video lag when changing colour of pixels. This is where you get smearing and ghosting of moving objects.
Some manufacturers have tried to eliminate this by increasing the refresh rate of the image, e.g. 100Hz, 200Hz, 600Hz, etc.
These also suffer from bleeding back light and being able to maintain consistent brightness across the screen, as these typically use a lamp or 'backlight'.
Also there are two/three different types of LCD panels, TN, IPS and the other one I forget. But basically the IPS is the best one, i.e. is for colour and image response times.
Best panels I have come across are the Phillips range. The PixelHD video processing is one of the best ones around.
This technology is probably the most mature of the lot, but panels do suffer from the dreaded dead pixel syndrome. This is where a speck (or more) appear in the panel. The tricky thing here is that all manufacturers have different policies on how many pixels have to fail before they will replace the panel. Trust me, even when you get a single dead pixel on a 19" monitor - it drives you crazy.
Viewing angles are an issue if you do not watch your TV dead on.
Spot on.
You won't get that advice on the high street or retail park.
J
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I have a 6000 series Samsung LED and love it. Got it feb so cost more than it does now but it's a bargain if your not fussed about Internet tv stuff that the 7 and 8 offer
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just asked the people in the know
look at the Panasonic g20 range... apparently and i quote "You'll not see motion like it on any other TV."
These are guys that are paid to know everything there is to know about home cinema, they get given the kit to play with....
i said to him 1k 42 - 50" tv for watching moves.
Looking to buy a plasma this afternoon - I've spent this morning looking and the above info looks spot on - it's going to be a 42" G20 for me, the picture quality looks awesome. :happy2:
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just asked the people in the know
look at the Panasonic g20 range... apparently and i quote "You'll not see motion like it on any other TV."
These are guys that are paid to know everything there is to know about home cinema, they get given the kit to play with....
i said to him 1k 42 - 50" tv for watching moves.
Looking to buy a plasma this afternoon - I've spent this morning looking and the above info looks spot on - it's going to be a 42" G20 for me, the picture quality looks awesome. :happy2:
You won't be disappointed contrast is amazing.
J