MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Cosmetic/Interior Modifications => Topic started by: PND on October 23, 2010, 02:26:56 am
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Just trawling the net and came across these.. Has anyone tried these or know anything about them? Not sure whether I like them or not - but it's a different attempt! I'm assuming you keep your fogs and they get wired in to come on when the ignition is on and go off when any lights are switched on..
Any thoughts?
Paul.
www.veedubmachine.co.uk - DAYTIME DRIVING LIGHTS (http://www.veedubmachine.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_18_60_96&products_id=1198)
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Could do with seeing them fitted to a car and switched on at dusk/dark, but they look pretty well designed and a the best solution I have sen so far should you want some extra 'fog lights' :laugh:
**Only used the term 'fog lights' to bag me a Robin in the keep net** :grin:
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I like them, could do with seeing them on
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They do look better than most other aftermarket ones I've seen.
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I'm In! :evilgrin:
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look the best ones i have seen also
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Quad-fogs... who could want anything more! Seems to be going a bit 'off theme' but it's all well-meant.. :signLOL: No offence Robin! :wink: As the resident 'DRL-expert', would like to hear you thoughts Robin..
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Anyway, I emailed the seller yesterday to see if I can get some pics of them on a car, and lit up, so as soon as I hear back, you'll see the pics..
Fingers crossed that they'll look good! I might invest and be the 'guinea-pig'.. And, no, we don't now want hundred of pictures of guinea-pigs please!
Paul.
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To be honest it would be worth them doing someone a deal to 'promote' them.
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To be honest it would be worth them doing someone a deal to 'promote' them.
I'll see what they come back with and will let them know of the interest they are causing.. There are very similar ones available as well on eBay.de - just hadn't seen them before, so was a bit intrigued... :laugh:
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More expensive here -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DAYTIME-DRIVING-LIGHTS-FOG-GRILLES-GOLF-MK5-GTi-NEW-/350405864658?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5195d12cd2
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More expensive here -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DAYTIME-DRIVING-LIGHTS-FOG-GRILLES-GOLF-MK5-GTi-NEW-/350405864658?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5195d12cd2
Yes, that was where I first saw them. Then looked at website.
I've just sent another message to them via their website, expressing lots of interest!
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This looks like an OEM S6 Part
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Audi-S6-LED-Tagfahrleuchten-TFL-VW-Golf-5-V-Variant-GTI-/230487449620?pt=Autoteile_Zubehör&hash=item35aa1f6014
Some other options -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tagfahrleuchten-Tagfahrlicht-Cover-VW-Golf-5-Jetta-/220685877617?pt=Autoteile_Zubehör&hash=item3361e74171
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tagfahrleuchten-Tagfahrlicht-Cover-LED-VW-Golf-5-/220685877604?pt=Autoteile_Zubehör&hash=item3361e74164
If you were feeling brave you could fit this to some OEM headlights -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/30-LED-Tagfahrlicht-Tagfahrleuchten-VW-Golf-4-IV-WEISS-/310230306903?pt=Autoteile_Zubehör&hash=item483b2ad057
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Cheers for links Stu. I had seen most of them last night, but preferred the ones I posted as they are obviously 'GTI' specific. They would look better if the LED strip was full-length, but I'm guessing it's due to lack of space behind the grill.
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I think the strips built into an OEM headlight would be good.
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I like the S6 ones best, just not sure how easy to fit they would be. Plus they're quite pricey!
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Not heard back yet from seller - in the meantime, here's a pic from eBay.de of a very similar item..
Need a full frontal shot really.. (cue start of more non-related images :happy2:)
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I like the S6 ones best, just not sure how easy to fit they would be. Plus they're quite pricey!
If you fitted the Mk5 GT/GT Sport front grills (from the TSI and TDI models), wouldn't it make the S6 DRL's a hell of a lot easier to fit?
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I like the S6 ones best, just not sure how easy to fit they would be. Plus they're quite pricey!
If you fitted the Mk5 GT/GT Sport front grills (from the TSI and TDI models), wouldn't it make the S6 DRL's a hell of a lot easier to fit?
You might be onto something here :happy2:
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I like the S6 ones best, just not sure how easy to fit they would be. Plus they're quite pricey!
If you fitted the Mk5 GT/GT Sport front grills (from the TSI and TDI models), wouldn't it make the S6 DRL's a hell of a lot easier to fit?
You might be onto something here :happy2:
Not sure how much room there would be behind the grills. Looking at Robin's pic below (assuming it's a standard bumper), there's no depth at the top.. It all depends on whether you want to keep front fogs as well as DRLs I suppose.. Personally, I'd like to keep both.
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I like the S6 ones best, just not sure how easy to fit they would be. Plus they're quite pricey!
If you fitted the Mk5 GT/GT Sport front grills (from the TSI and TDI models), wouldn't it make the S6 DRL's a hell of a lot easier to fit?
If you plan on fitting the the S6 DRL to a turbocharged car then don't bother:
As per the info in my build tread:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.90.html
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If you plan on fitting the the S6 DRL to a turbocharged car then don't bother:
As per the info in my build tread:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7823.90.html
That's why these 'GTI' ones appeal - they look easy to fit! Just need some pics of them in situ!!! :sleepy:
I might just buy them anyway..
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They have wires, but where are they getting their feed from?
I likey BTW - best yet for the GTI - very 'OEM'. :happy2:
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Just found this thread, folks! Sorry I'm late :grin:
If these had been available when I was doing mine I'd definitely have had them. The custom moulding of the fog panels is what makes them look oem, imo.
As in my thread about DRL's:
- Considered the S6 (Hella even sent me one FOC to try) but too much depth which would have interefered with the crash bar behind.
- Considered the GT/TDI horizontal vented panels which would have allowed a lower position avoiding the crash bar but rejected due to style mix.
- Considered the headlight integrated ones but didn't want to lose my Xenons.
Much as I think this is the best alternative yet, I still prefer what I have done though I do appreciate I've spent serious squids on it.
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if they shoulnt be on the car dont fit them ! plus they look naff
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if they shoulnt be on the car dont fit them ! plus they look naff
....I'm sure you already know my views on this: Simply that DRL's are an excellent safety feature to have on any car but especially a performance one whose approach needs to be seen. Fair enough if you think that DRL's look naff on a Mk5, or are you saying only the ones which are the subject of this thread look naff? :happy2:
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i cant stand them at all robin , but each to they own . it would be a dull world if we all drove around in plastic eggs !
the ones on renaults at the mo make me giggle tho ala starwars jobbies
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i cant stand them at all robin , but each to they own . it would be a dull world if we all drove around in plastic eggs !
....Very much agreed - ETTO as they say. I've noticed that DRL's are very 'marmite' and bring out strong views :drinking:
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i cant stand them at all robin , but each to they own . it would be a dull world if we all drove around in plastic eggs !
the ones on renaults at the mo make me giggle tho ala starwars jobbies
The ones on Sh!troens are truely hideous! :sick:
But whatever your preference - RedRobins DRLs are very effective. :happy2:
I suppose the DRL 'marmite' feelings are no different to when Xenon HIDs first came out - most peeps originally hated them, but I bet most of the early non-belivers now have them as the first tick-box option when ordering a new car.
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Glad to have stirred up a bit of interest - the seller couldn't offer any pics at this stage other than these.. Not the 'classiest' of pics, but give a rough idea what they'll look like!
I've asked for installation/wiring instructions to see what's involved. Once I hear back, I'll update you all. Paul.
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I'd deffo be interested if everything was hunky dory.
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I've just ordered a set of the clear ones (they come as smoked or clear). Watch this space! Review to follow..
Paul. :happy2:
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Any chance of scanning and posting the wiring instructions?
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Two years ago I so would have had those! As I said before: I'm extremely happy with mine but the whole purchase cost me a pretty penny even with discounts.
How many LED bulbs are there in each unit? Looks like 4.
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I've tried to enable my sidelights in my xenons as DRL.... but I can't seem to get them to work! :sad1:
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People who are considering DRL might find this Kufatec wiring harness interesting, looks like you can use it to achieve a number of the more complicated DRL functions such as dimming when lights are activated, and dimming on one side when indicators are activated, as well as for coming/leaving home functionality.
http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1661_c275_Daytime-Running-Lights-LED---Interface---VW-Audi-universal.html (http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1661_c275_Daytime-Running-Lights-LED---Interface---VW-Audi-universal.html)
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I've tried to enable my sidelights in my xenons as DRL.... but I can't seem to get them to work! :sad1:
I think there is a country specific setting in VCDS.
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People who are considering DRL might find this Kufatec wiring harness interesting, looks like you can use it to achieve a number of the more complicated DRL functions such as dimming when lights are activated, and dimming on one side when indicators are activated, as well as for coming/leaving home functionality.
http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1661_c275_Daytime-Running-Lights-LED---Interface---VW-Audi-universal.html (http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1661_c275_Daytime-Running-Lights-LED---Interface---VW-Audi-universal.html)
That is specific to fitting Kufatecs own LED strips. It may not work with those shown in the OP.
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People who are considering DRL might find this Kufatec wiring harness interesting, looks like you can use it to achieve a number of the more complicated DRL functions such as dimming when lights are activated, and dimming on one side when indicators are activated, as well as for coming/leaving home functionality.
http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1661_c275_Daytime-Running-Lights-LED---Interface---VW-Audi-universal.html (http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1661_c275_Daytime-Running-Lights-LED---Interface---VW-Audi-universal.html)
That is specific to fitting Kufatecs own LED strips. It may not work with those shown in the OP.
I realise that, but the circuit board could be used with adapted plugs and provide some more advanced functionality beyond standard on with ignition and off with headlights.
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People who are considering DRL might find this Kufatec wiring harness interesting, looks like you can use it to achieve a number of the more complicated DRL functions such as dimming when lights are activated, and dimming on one side when indicators are activated, as well as for coming/leaving home functionality.
http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1661_c275_Daytime-Running-Lights-LED---Interface---VW-Audi-universal.html (http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1661_c275_Daytime-Running-Lights-LED---Interface---VW-Audi-universal.html)
That is specific to fitting Kufatecs own LED strips. It may not work with those shown in the OP.
I realise that, but the circuit board could be used with adapted plugs and provide some more advanced functionality beyond standard on with ignition and off with headlights.
OK - but you need to be good with electrickery! :P I'm good with spanners, but shyte at copper spaghetti on cars! :ashamed: Maybe I used to design car electrics on Italian cars in a previous life. :evilgrin:
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5 LEDs per side apparently. Let me at least receive the units before you start asking for instructions, etc!! :happy2:
They do include dimmer units (if I've read my German correctly).
All will become clear in the not-too-distant future! (I hope. :scared:)
Cheers!
Paul.
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I can't help but be amused... How long ago was it that I fitted proper LED DRL's? 18 months? No one was interested and all I mostly heard was being accused of having fog lights. Now, everyone wants DRL's! :laugh:
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I can't help but be amused... How long ago was it that I fitted proper LED DRL's? 18 months? No one was interested and all I mostly heard was being accused of having fog lights. Now, everyone wants DRL's! :laugh:
Not by me RedLeader! :P I've always fully appreciated the benefits of DRLs, especially of the LED flavour - I just wasn't overly keen on your specific solution. :wink:
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I can't help but be amused... How long ago was it that I fitted proper LED DRL's? 18 months? No one was interested and all I mostly heard was being accused of having fog lights. Now, everyone wants DRL's! :laugh:
I think there was interest Robin (me for one) but yours do look like fog lights and with this solution it's obvious they are not as the original fogs remain.
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I just they work after all this!
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I can't help but be amused... How long ago was it that I fitted proper LED DRL's? 18 months? No one was interested and all I mostly heard was being accused of having fog lights. Now, everyone wants DRL's! :laugh:
I think there was interest Robin (me for one) but yours do look like fog lights and with this solution it's obvious they are not as the original fogs remain.
....True. There simply wasn't this option when I did mine and neither was it even on the horizon. :happy2:
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I just they work after all this!
....I'm assuming you meant to write "I just hope they work after all this!"
I don't see why they won't work or, at the very worst, be connected and programmed so they do work.
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I just they work after all this!
....I'm assuming you meant to write "I just hope they work after all this!"
I don't see why they won't work or, at the very worst, be connected and programmed so they do work.
Oops! Yes, that is what I meant to put. I am hoping they'll turn up tomorrow then I can maybe get them sorted over the weekend. I will, of course, be taking pics along the way and will report in when the deed is done!
Note to self: Always re-read posts before clicking on the button. :ashamed: :signLOL:
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Oops! Yes, that is what I meant to put.
Note to self: Always re-read posts before clicking on the button. :ashamed: :signLOL:
....Don't worry, mate - We all do it, even me who is pretty anal about spelling and writing properly etc.
Very much looking forward to the pics and story :happy2:
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even me who is pretty anal about spelling and writing properly etc.
That reads poorly, in my opinion. How about "...even me and I'm pretty anal about spelling and writing properly"
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even me who is pretty anal about spelling and writing properly etc.
That reads poorly, in my opinion. How about "...even me and I'm pretty anal about spelling and writing properly"
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Ordered Wednesday evening - delivered Friday afternoon! Quality seems excellent on first impressions. Feel very similar to original grills - briefly tried one in place and seems to fit really well. Came with photocopied 'basic' instructions in English, French and German. A bit vague but should be able to suss it out! Just uploading pics of the manual now..
Just to keep you going till I get them installed..
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Pics in 'Step 3' and 'Step 5' seem to be wrong way round, as do pics in 'Step 4' and 'Step 6'. The quality of the instructions are a let-down compared with the units themselves.
Any thoughts?
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They look well-good - even 'E' approved. I'd have hit the 'thank-you' star, but it isn't enabled on this section! :congrats: :drinking:
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These look excellent quality. I'll be adding a pic and info to my LED DRL's Review in due course :happy2:
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Looks like this is the manufacturer - http://www.dkimotor.com/index.htm
I think they may have shown them at the Frankfurt show -
http://www.automechanika.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/exhibitor.contact.html/dki-international-co-ltd.html
As for the install I think I'd consider wiring directly from the battery with the Black (GND) and Red (+ve). The White one is connected to the sidelight as a 'sense' so that when the side light is live the DRL is switched on.
If it were me i'd make a single loom to run from the battery to the bumper area and then split it to go to the DRL's. You don't even need to run the Black to the battery as you can pickup a GND behind the bumper.
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Looks like this is the manufacturer - http://www.dkimotor.com/index.htm
They arn't listing anything for the Mk5??? :confused:
As for the install I think I'd consider wiring directly from the battery with the Black (GND) and Red (+ve). The White one is connected to the sidelight as a 'sense' so that when the side light is live the DRL is switched on.
So does that mean they only come on with the side lights??? :stupid:
Just a thought - with it being wired into the side light circuit, do you think it will have any effect on the cold lamp diagnosis?
If it were me i'd make a single loom to run from the battery to the bumper area and then split it to go to the DRL's. You don't even need to run the Black to the battery as you can pickup a GND behind the bumper.
Would make much more sense - there are plenty of earth connections behind both headlamps.
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Do we think the 30 byte controller would be a requirement to allow these to function properly?
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Looks like this is the manufacturer - http://www.dkimotor.com/index.htm
They arn't listing anything for the Mk5??? :confused:
Indeed, I think the website is out of date. Check the second link and cross ref the P/N shown on the instructions :wink:
As for the install I think I'd consider wiring directly from the battery with the Black (GND) and Red (+ve). The White one is connected to the sidelight as a 'sense' so that when the side light is live the DRL is switched on.
So does that mean they only come on with the side lights??? :stupid:
Just a thought - with it being wired into the side light circuit, do you think it will have any effect on the cold lamp diagnosis?
A good point, does the diag use +ve or -ve (or indeed both)?? Not sure what the wire is they connect to.
Seems to me that yes, their design intent is to use the side lights as the 'trigger'. Can of course be overcome but that's how I read it.
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Do we think the 30 byte controller would be a requirement to allow these to function properly?
They aren't as OEM as that Pete. Controller type would be irrelevant IMHO.
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Looks like this is the manufacturer - http://www.dkimotor.com/index.htm
They arn't listing anything for the Mk5??? :confused:
Indeed, I think the website is out of date. Check the second link and cross ref the P/N shown on the instructions :wink:
Ahhhh - gotcha - http://www.automechanika.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/exhibitor.productdetail/mf_bat_0000371608.html :happy2:
As for the install I think I'd consider wiring directly from the battery with the Black (GND) and Red (+ve). The White one is connected to the sidelight as a 'sense' so that when the side light is live the DRL is switched on.
So does that mean they only come on with the side lights??? :stupid:
Just a thought - with it being wired into the side light circuit, do you think it will have any effect on the cold lamp diagnosis?
A good point, does the diag use +ve or -ve (or indeed both)?? Not sure what the wire is they connect to.
Pass. And I'm not 100% sure on how cold diag works - it is either a substancially reduced voltage, or a miniscule current. I think it checks all the individual bulbs after engine start, then some regular periodic delay thereafter. Either way, it doesn't actually illuminate any bulb, nor need the actual bulbs to be switched on.
Seems to me that yes, their design intent is to use the side lights as the 'trigger'. Can of course be overcome but that's how I read it.
Unless it is using the side lights as a 'reverse' trigger - turning the DRLs off when the sides are turned on??? I'm wondering if these were designed for North American markets, where dipped headlamps automatically come on with the side lights? :sad1:
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Ultimately you could use whatever you want for the trigger. Check the pin (10) of the headlight connector that they tell you to use, if it's live then it's a +ve trigger or if it's got continuity to ground then it's a ground trigger. Either way you could mount a single pole switch in the car to control them and use 12v or ground accordingly.
I'd guess they've gone for the sidelights option as it's handy and I think the sides + DRLs would be an ok combo.
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So these will come on only with sidelights rather than on their own?
Would love to see these in action.
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So these will come on only with sidelights rather than on their own?
Jury is still out at the mo . . .
Would love to see these in action.
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Yes, it looks like DKI are the manufacturer and JOM in Germany are probably the main distributor.
Just been translating some German eBay listings that are for this same item..
1st listing:- 3 cable for installation per page clampingly, + / - line to the parking light + Ignition Plus line
- LEDs dim as soon as normal light is switched
2nd listing:- fully automatic on and off the daytime running lights
- each 5 super bright and durable LED
- extremely low power consumption
- course registration free E-Approved
- approved as daytime running lights by RL-ID
- corresponds to ECE R87 standard
- quick and easy installation
- superlight>>> connection is made at battery terminal, bulk and parking light
It seems to be saying that the trigger is the 'parking light' connection. Does this just mean sidelights? If I'm understanding this correctly, they'll come on with the ignition, and then dim when any lights are turned on. Does that sound right? If anyone knows what 'pin10' actually is, please enlighten me! Or if anyone has a wiring diagram for the headlight connectors..
In the installation guide, it says the red wire -> 'step3' (in the wiring diagram) and 'line No.2' (in the instructions). Does this mean 'pin2' on the headlight connector? Is this meant to be a 12v feed that comes on with the ignition? If so, where's it telling me to connect to?
I've also emailed JOM in Germany asking for any clearer installation guides - see what they come back with..
Might just have to have a bit of a play and see what happens! :laugh: Worst case, I'll get some pics of them in situ. Whether they'll be lit up or not, who knows!
If anyone has any ideas please feel free to contribute! :confused:
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For the 'pin 10' - if you remove one of the main connector on one of the headlamps, look carefully at the mating face, and you should see some tiny numbers adjacent to each connector pin. You may need a torch and a magnifying glass.
So it looks like it is taking a feed from the ignition circuit to illuminate them fully, and then when the side lights are turned on, will dim them. Now bear in mind it is illegal to drive a car on sidelights in the EU (except in the UK, where you can only legally drive on sidelights in 'built-up areas, subject to a 30mph speed restriction, AND illuminated with street lights') - what this basically means is when you turn on your side lights, you should also be turning on your headlamps too. :wink:
I've no idea what red wire to line 2 means . . . . but I doubt it means pin 2 on your headlamps - you are already using pin 10. Maybe when you unwind and unravel the wires which came with the kit, they will hopefully have some ID tape on each individual wire.
HTH
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They do look good quality from the photos. :smiley:
Be interesting to see how they have done the wiring once you have them connected.
Worst case you have to design your own system with a couple of 5 pin relays so there on only when no other lights are on.
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Thanks T_T for that.
Unfortunately, the wires have nothing written on them. There are just the round terminal connectors on the black, but nothing on the red or white.
I've just checked on my car (as I couldn't remember otherwise) and the sidelights stay on when the headlights are on as well. So, from that, it looks as if the DRLs will be on all the time - full brightness when all headlights/sidelights are off and then dimmed when either headlights or sidelights are on. This is how I thought they would function. I suppose the only way to turn them off totally would be to wire in a separate switch (as mentioned by Stu earlier in the thread).
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A switch or relay.
The extra tiny current draw difference should also not upset the diagnostic system (depending on spec of LEDs and control unit design) as it should not be outside the range the system will be setup for, for standard bulbs whos current varie between brands.
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A switch or relay.
The extra tiny current draw difference should also not upset the diagnostic system (depending on spec of LEDs and control unit design) as it should not be outside the range the system will be setup for, for standard bulbs whos current varie between brands.
Cheers Snoopy. If it comes to it, I'll be asking you what all that meant! :happy2: :signLOL:
What do we generally think about DRLs being on all the time, dimming when other lights are on? Is this how they work on Audis for instance? What happens on the mk6 Golf? Do they go off altogether?
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What do we generally think about DRLs being on all the time, dimming when other lights are on? Is this how they work on Audis for instance? What happens on the mk6 Golf? Do they go off altogether?
....What I think is common knowledge here but I think there's a case for setting them up to automatically switch on with ignition and auto switch off whenever any of the other oem lights are actioned to be on. That's how mine are. They've passed MOT twice and more recently a Police stop and full inspection with an apology from them. The Police liked the fact that mine went off whenever other lights came on.
I don't see the point of them self-dimming unless they are amongst the indicator cluster as on some Audi's.
As your car will retain the fogs you perhaps need them to go off whenever your fogs are on.
Personally, I dislike the yellow appearance of the stock Mk6 Golf 'DRLs' and they're not very bright either.
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So it looks like it is taking a feed from the ignition circuit to illuminate them fully, and then when the side lights are turned on, will dim them. Now bear in mind it is illegal to drive a car on sidelights in the EU (except in the UK, where you can only legally drive on sidelights in 'built-up areas, subject to a 30mph speed restriction, AND illuminated with street lights') - what this basically means is when you turn on your side lights, you should also be turning on your headlamps too. :wink:
TBH I've found sidelights to be so crap for either illumination or "warning" that I've never used them alone. They are too dim to be useful during rain/bleak weather/dawn/dusk that I just stick to dipped beams.
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They look good and are of a "OEM" look too, which I like. Looking forward to see these fitted and working.
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....What I think is common knowledge here but I think there's a case for setting them up to automatically switch on with ignition and auto switch off whenever any of the other oem lights are actioned to be on. That's how mine are. They've passed MOT twice and more recently a Police stop and full inspection with an apology from them. The Police liked the fact that mine went off whenever other lights came on.
I don't see the point of them self-dimming unless they are amongst the indicator cluster as on some Audi's.
As your car will retain the fogs you perhaps need them to go off whenever your fogs are on.
Personally, I dislike the yellow appearance of the stock Mk6 Golf 'DRLs' and they're not very bright either.
Robin,
Iirc you looked up the laws when you started to think about DRL for yours. Can you remember what the law states?
Simply fitting a relay into the power line to the LED or the LED control unit that turns the power to them off when theres power to the sidelight is easy to do.
The other option is to open up the control unit of the LEDs and you will probably find its either done one of two ways. Either PIC controled using a PWM signal which is very unlikley due to cost or a relay that switches it to a track on the PCB with a resistor in when it sensors the side lights have been turned on, In witch case you simply remove the reistor and they will not be on when your lights are on.
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Simply fitting a relay into the power line to the LED or the LED control unit that turns the power to them off when theres a signal to sidelight signal/12V is easy to do.
Is it if you know what you're doing!!
Just to give you something to look at till I decide how best to wire them in.. Does anyone know where I should connect the red wire to? 'Line2'? I'm going to need some help with these I think! :confused:
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The LED housing looks a bit yellow in the pic - it's only because it's in the shade. They actually look more white/chrome in the flesh. :happy2:
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^ They're looking really excellent in position in those pics :notworthy:
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They're looking really excellent in position in those pics :notworthy:
If only I knew how to wire the bl**dy things in!!! :jumping:
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The other option is to open up the control unit of the LEDs and you will probably find its either done one of two ways. Either PIC controled using a PWM signal which is very unlikley due to cost or a relay that switches it to a track on the PCB with a resistor in when it sensors the side lights have been turned on, In witch case you simply remove the reistor and they will not be on when your lights are on.
As you can see from the pic, the dimmer control is a sealed unit, so no chance of altering anything inside that I don't think.
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Robin,
Iirc you looked up the laws when you started to think about DRL for yours. Can you remember what the law states?
....That's quite a contentious issue! T_T and myself have had endless debates about what is law and what isn't re DRL's. To try to clarify, I did a large amount of research on the internet and found lots of very extensive reports and studies, mostly done at national level and including surveys of public opinion. Unfortunately I didn't keep copies I could refer to now and I came across them through surfing from one piece of info to another. Some of this information I found did include what was law in particular countries. I didn't expect to have to later defend my actions!
At the time, about 2 years ago, the UK studies/research was finding that there was substantial public resistance here - Mostly due to Volvo headlight associations and motorbikers at least very understandably objecting if DRL's were at headlight height. I don't know of any specific laws about DRL's in the UK but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Certainly, to comply with some European countries (countries in Europe and not necessarily EC) they need to operate as mine do.
Currently, I think mostly due to German cars being imported here with oem DRL's, the British public have become much more aware of DRL's and I remember reading in the studies and proposals that there would be a transition period before laws were finally in place in which even the use of foglights might be allowed! Personally, I believe strongly that DRL's should be both dedicated units and LED because that type of light functions far better for daytime running - Hence my dislike of the Mk6 Golf and similar solutions. IMO they should be as the Golf and Rocco R's.
My purpose in research was to ensure that whatever I did wasn't going to get me into trouble and so I followed Hella's installation instructions. My VW dealer was happy to connect them differently but agreed that I was doing the most sensible thing.
HTH :happy2:
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Thanks Robin, I did not realise TT and yourself had discussed this to dealth :ashamed:
The connections in the instructions for these DRL above.
WHITE
I would say is the Sidelight signal due to going to the headlight so basically telling the control unit when to dim.
Easy to test stick a multimeter or a bulb between the #10 wire on the headlight and the minus of the battery. See if its live all the time or just when the lights are turned on.
RED
Due to the fuse size the red one i would say to be the power to the control unit and LEDs and only gets power when the Ignition is on.
BLACK
Is your ground so can go to the minus terminal of the battery or an earth point.
Im guessing but maybe when they say number 2 connection what connection is on the foglight plug? Maybe the foglights have a perminant ignition switched 12V to them and only turn on when the foglight switch connects them to ground? Or theres a plug in that other photo there that has a number 2 on it i cannot see it very well on the scanned copy.
I would say you can take the red wire to a switched live somewere.
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The connections in the instructions for these DRL above.
White
I would say is the Sidelight signal due to going to the headlight so basically telling the control unit when to dim.
Easy to test stick a multimeter or a bulb between the #10 wire on the headlight and the minus of the battery. See if its live all the time or just when the lights are turned on.
Due to the fuse size the red one i would say to be the power to the control unit and LEDs
The black is your ground so can go to the minus terminal of the battery or an earth point.
Im guessing but maybe when they say number 2 connection what connection is on the foglight plug? Maybe the foglights have a perminant ignition switched 12V to them and only turn on when the foglight switch connects them to ground?
I would say you can take the red wire to a switched live somewere.
:notworthy: Thanks a lot for that Snoopy. I might have a go tomorrow and see what happens. I only wish I knew more about the electrical side of things!
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I edited it abit so it was a bit easier to understand.
If it does work how i think. Then its quite easy to change it by adding in a relay into the red and white wires so it only turns the LEDs on when you have no other lights on.
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Thanks again Snoopy - I think I've got it now!
Never has there been so much Shadow Blue on a thread! :grin:
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Thanks T_T for that.
Unfortunately, the wires have nothing written on them. There are just the round terminal connectors on the black, but nothing on the red or white.
I've just checked on my car (as I couldn't remember otherwise) and the sidelights stay on when the headlights are on as well. So, from that, it looks as if the DRLs will be on all the time - full brightness when all headlights/sidelights are off and then dimmed when either headlights or sidelights are on. This is how I thought they would function. I suppose the only way to turn them off totally would be to wire in a separate switch (as mentioned by Stu earlier in the thread).
That is exactly how they are meant to work. There is categorically NO requirement (legal or otherwise) which states they must go off when using either side lights or head lights.
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...NO requirement (legal or otherwise) which states they must go off when using either side lights or head lights...
Is there a way to wire these so they function like RR's DRLs? ie go off when using side/dipped/main?
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Yes if they work like i expect this should work. You simply need a standard 5 pin relay to add into the wiring as shown below.
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The only question is if this upsets the diagnostics or not due to the resistance of the coil in the relay but in theory the low resistance of the bulb in parallel with the relay (your side light bulb) will compensate so not cause an error signal.
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What do we generally think about DRLs being on all the time, dimming when other lights are on? Is this how they work on Audis for instance? What happens on the mk6 Golf? Do they go off altogether?
....What I think is common knowledge here but I think there's a case for setting them up to automatically switch on with ignition and auto switch off whenever any of the other oem lights are actioned to be on. That's how mine are.
No Robin, that is ONLY your point of view. The law - to which those in this thread have been European Type Approved (with their 'E' number) makes NO requirement that they have to go off when the normal lights are on.
They've passed MOT twice and more recently a Police stop and full inspection with an apology from them. The Police liked the fact that mine went off whenever other lights came on.
Completely irrelevant. Illegal retro-fit HIDs pass MoTs - but that categorically does NOT make them 'legal'. And the Police often don't know the law. I regularly see chavs with blue bulbs being passed by coppers - but the coppers CBA stopping them. And I'm sure we all know without a shadow of a doubt that blue bulbs are illegal on any vehicle except official emergency services vehicles!
I don't see the point of them self-dimming unless they are amongst the indicator cluster as on some Audi's.
Again, that is your point of view. They have an E number, which means they are 100% legal to dim.
As your car will retain the fogs you perhaps need them to go off whenever your fogs are on.
Why?
Personally, I dislike the yellow appearance of the stock Mk6 Golf 'DRLs' and they're not very bright either.
Now that I do agree with. But the Golf 6 DRLs are not LED - they are just tungsten filament bulbs running at reduced wattage - exactly the same as the B7 A4/S4/RS4. But I tweaked mine in VCDS, and now they are much whiter. But this thread isn't about Mk6 Golfs, or even Audis - it is about the specific DRLs listed in the OP. :wink:
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....What I think is common knowledge here but I think there's a case for setting them up to automatically switch on with ignition and auto switch off whenever any of the other oem lights are actioned to be on. That's how mine are. They've passed MOT twice and more recently a Police stop and full inspection with an apology from them. The Police liked the fact that mine went off whenever other lights came on.
I don't see the point of them self-dimming unless they are amongst the indicator cluster as on some Audi's.
As your car will retain the fogs you perhaps need them to go off whenever your fogs are on.
Personally, I dislike the yellow appearance of the stock Mk6 Golf 'DRLs' and they're not very bright either.
Robin,
Iirc you looked up the laws when you started to think about DRL for yours. Can you remember what the law states?
Robin has never been able to point to or quote any law which supports is own point of view. From what I can gather, Robin is simply going on what his installation instructions advised. I don't even know if Robins DRLs are 'E' approved, though I'll gladly be willing to be corrected.
I have two family members who are senior road traffic police (one who specialises in Construction and Use Regulations), and a further who is a road traffic police civvy trainer - and NONE support Robins POV, but they DO agree that the 'Audi' way is perfectly legal.
Simply fitting a relay into the power line to the LED or the LED control unit that turns the power to them off when theres power to the sidelight is easy to do.
The other option is to open up the control unit of the LEDs and you will probably find its either done one of two ways. Either PIC controled using a PWM signal which is very unlikley due to cost or a relay that switches it to a track on the PCB with a resistor in when it sensors the side lights have been turned on, In witch case you simply remove the reistor and they will not be on when your lights are on.
Both completely un-necessary. If they function as described by following the wiring instructions, then they are perfectly legal. :wink:
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Simply fitting a relay into the power line to the LED or the LED control unit that turns the power to them off when theres power to the sidelight is easy to do.
The other option is to open up the control unit of the LEDs and you will probably find its either done one of two ways. Either PIC controled using a PWM signal which is very unlikley due to cost or a relay that switches it to a track on the PCB with a resistor in when it sensors the side lights have been turned on, In witch case you simply remove the reistor and they will not be on when your lights are on.
Both completely un-necessary. If they function as described by following the wiring instructions, then they are perfectly legal. :wink:
They maybe perfectly legal but that does not meen everyone wants them on when there other lights are on im simply giving an option.
For other types of DRLs others maybe looking to fit it maybe useful info, if its true, the info on the hella site for DRL says legal requirments on height and width on the fitted units are as follows.
From ground min 250mm max of 1500mm
width apart min of 600mm
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I'm really grateful for the advice and opinions that you've all been giving. It does seem that this particular set of DRLs are intended to stay on all the time and just dim when any other lights are on. I think initially that that is how I'll wire them. However, the advice on how to configure them to switch off totally, when other lights come on, is extremely useful as it gives me the option should I want it.
I bought these DRLs for two reasons. Firstly, because I wanted some. Secondly, because no-one else on here (AFAIK) had bought them so I am acting a bit as a guinea pig on behalf of the forum.
I'll probably give it a go tomorrow, but may well need some more assistance if I am struggling.
Thank you all again for your help so far.
Paul.
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wer u based pnd ??
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West Yorkshire... not that near to London!
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West Yorkshire... not that near to London!
oh ok then bud was gona say if u wernt 2 far i would cum giv u a hand with this
was worth a try i :signLOL:
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The thought is appreciated! I wouldn't expect anyone to travel that far to assist though! :signLOL:
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na thats fair enough mate
its onli coz iv got relays and all external connections and wire n heatshrink and everythink else electrical u would need 2 try a few options mate :happy2:
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na thats fair enough mate
its onli coz iv got relays and all external connections and wire n heatshrink and everythink else electrical u would need 2 try a few options mate :happy2:
........... and a few keys missing from your keyboard by the looks of it. Grrrr txt speak on Forums :fighting: :evilgrin:
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@ T_T:
As said earlier today in this thread, I don't think I have ever claimed that my DRL connectivity is LEGAL in the UK - See Reply #78 please.
It's pointless me saying any more about this 'legal' aspect other than to say they comply with recommendations. :smiley:
And yes, mine do have the E approvals.
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Just been having a bit of a nose round in the engine bay and this is what I've found so far, looking behind the nearside lights..
Pin10 of the headlight connector (grey/black wire) does seem to be the sidelights feed and therefore used for the white 'trigger' wire. 12v when headlight switch set to 'sidelights' with ignition off, 0v when all off.
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There is a connector below the headlights (shown in first pic, just to right of headlights connector) which the installation instructions may be pointing to for the red 'switched live' wire.. Anyone know what this connector is?
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Pin2 of this connector is the brown/black wire. I haven't tested voltages on these though.
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Is it OK to take feeds to both of the LED control units from this one side? Forgive my ignorance with all this!
I'm too hungry to do any more now so you'll have to wait! :laugh: Any more thoughts/suggestions gratefully accepted!
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It's really difficult to see what's what in the instructions.
I would use the blue nut in your pictures as the ground, that is a proper chassis ground, for the black wire instead of going to the battery.
On closer inspection it does seem as though they are telling you to use power from somewhere else nearby and use the inline fuse provided. I couldn't be sure it would be the one in your picture but it's possible.
You've seen where to get the trigger from, the difficulty will be finding yourself enough space in the loom for the scotchlok connector they gave you.
Can you post a picture of the wiring loom?
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You could email the supplier -
http://www.jom.de/products/gb/Lightstyle/Daytime-Running-Lights/Daytime-running-light-LED-car-specific-mounting-kit-for-VW-Golf-5-GTi-10-LED-smoked-for-cars-with-fog-light.html
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It's really difficult to see what's what in the instructions.
I would use the blue nut in your pictures as the ground, that is a proper chassis ground, for the black wire instead of going to the battery.
On closer inspection it does seem as though they are telling you to use power from somewhere else nearby and use the inline fuse provided. I couldn't be sure it would be the one in your picture but it's possible.
You've seen where to get the trigger from, the difficulty will be finding yourself enough space in the loom for the scotchlok connector they gave you.
Thanks for that Stu. It is a pity that the instructions are so unclear. There should be enough slack to get a connector on I think..
Can you post a picture of the wiring loom?
Do you mean this one that they supplied?
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You could email the supplier -
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I'd already sent an email to 'JOM' on Friday. Hopefully I'll hear something back tomorrow. I'm also going to contact VeeDubMachine where I got it from to see if they can shed any light on it (no pun intended).
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From memory on golfmans(Scott) car one wire went to the pin 10 on the headlights which you have fathomed out another one went to the back of the headlight switch and the other was a ground.
If you have a word with Scott and see if he can send the instructions over to you they are a bit clearer on the hella DRL's in principle they will be the same wiring.
Darren
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Cheers Darren - I've just sent Scott a PM so I'll see what he comes back with..
Might be consulting with you again soon.. :laugh:
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cant wait to see these working!! I sense a GB brewing! :party: :chicken:
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I sense a GB brewing!
Would definitely go for these if they could be wired the way I want them. But want to see them lit up first!
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If you have a word with Scott and see if he can send the instructions over to you they are a bit clearer on the hella DRL's in principle they will be the same wiring.
....Does this Hella instruction help?:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FDRLwiring.jpg&hash=47eb039d0db45ecb414e1322c10c0096cb206da7)
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....Does this Hella instruction help?:
It all depends what connections the '15' and '58' are referring to?! Are they mentioned anywhere else on the instructions, or is it just that one page?
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....Does this Hella instruction help?:
It all depends what connections the '15' and '58' are referring to?! Are they mentioned anywhere else on the instructions, or is it just that one page?
....Sorry, nothing else in the Hella instructions. It was a long shot. My VW dealer installed mine.
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Hi Robin. Thanks anyway. I've since got a copy of a set of instructions for the Hella DRLs off Golfman ( :happy2:) and also, there are these which are a different set but the instructions contain some useful advice, even though the Hellas don't include the dimmer unit.. but we all know the implications of that!
Download of Hella DRL installation PDF.. (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hella.com%2Fhella-uk-en%2Fassets%2Fmedia_global%2FLEDayLine_Einbaustory_EN.pdf&ei=g6TNTOfZKp2M4gbSquXcDA&usg=AFQjCNEDudurrZ5glv3rLfQJsjFtl83jnw)
So, at least it's beginning to all make sense to me now..
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IIRC, the UK originally was against dedicated DRL legislation :stupid: and was in favour of the dipping method but was quashed by the EC :congrats: - This may have something to do with it.
I've read that currently 17 countries in Europe have DRL legislation. I doubt that the UK is up to speed on this yet.
Whatever the legislation, the light from LED's is far more effective and efficient than using other light sources, dimmed or otherwise < IMO! [well, actually in some high level studies too].
It's good you're making progress though :happy2:
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FYI. Here's a download link for the installation instructions PDF for the Hella DRLs..
Mounting instructions for Hella LED Daytime Running Lights (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.teilesuche24.net%2Fparts%2Fhella%2Fpdf%2F460_895-14.PDF&rct=j&q=460%20895-14%20hella&ei=VKrNTNaNIIz94AaIioWgBQ&usg=AFQjCNEnK50FiBWuSm_MJtY2zkcEURbMFw)
Who was it looking for a good book to read? :sleepy:
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FYI. Here's a download link for the installation instructions PDF for the Hella DRLs..
Mounting instructions for Hella LED Daytime Running Lights (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.teilesuche24.net%2Fparts%2Fhella%2Fpdf%2F460_895-14.PDF&rct=j&q=460%20895-14%20hella&ei=VKrNTNaNIIz94AaIioWgBQ&usg=AFQjCNEnK50FiBWuSm_MJtY2zkcEURbMFw)
....I was a very early adopter of these Hella's and they came direct from Germany and so my instruction booklet is less comprehensive. Also, my Hella's aren't supposed to physically fit the GTI version of the Mk5 Golf but we easily adapted the lamp fixings.
Anyroadup, you should know exactly what to do once they respond to your emails. :happy2:
Am looking forward to seeing your pics (a wee bit jealously and I have to keep reminding myself how much I like mine!).
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number 58 on the instructions is pin10 on the back of the head lights brown is obviously your earth then number 15 is pin? on the back of the head light switch.
Darren
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number 58 on the instructions is pin10 on the back of the head lights brown is obviously your earth then number 15 is pin? on the back of the head light switch.
Darren
Presumably 15 goes to the 'switched live' off the back of the headlights switch. Am I right in thinking that this therefore is present on one of the pins on the headlights connector? If so, would it be easier to take it from there? Or am I talking rubbish? Probably!
Does anyone have a Haynes manual? I remember in the old days they used to have wiring diagrams in the back.. Might get myself one off eBay just to have a look!
It'll have to wait now for a few days until I get chance to have another look..
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I have a mk5 golf haynes manual. Will try and post up the relevant pages lster if you want.
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I have a mk5 golf haynes manual. Will try and post up the relevant pages lster if you want.
Yes please! Anything wiring diagrams relating to the wiring from the headlight switch to the lights themselves would be great please! :happy2:
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'kay my scanner's packed up, so camera pics will have to do for now. Hope I got all the ones you needed.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv55%2Fstealthwolf%2FED30%2Fth_hx01.jpg&hash=da6521ad2c04419fc38285649d510d9d0d8eb560) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/stealthwolf/ED30/?action=view¤t=hx01.jpg)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv55%2Fstealthwolf%2FED30%2Fth_hx02.jpg&hash=0d51e33d5cfbd11a421e9fb60da56cc3ba08f97f) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/stealthwolf/ED30/?action=view¤t=hx02.jpg)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv55%2Fstealthwolf%2FED30%2Fth_hx03.jpg&hash=d3387ffedffa05ce1072df06ec7116e334c4775f) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/stealthwolf/ED30/?action=view¤t=hx03.jpg)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv55%2Fstealthwolf%2FED30%2Fth_hx04.jpg&hash=2b532e2508fcaceddef5332731ed6ee6c37f550a) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/stealthwolf/ED30/?action=view¤t=hx04.jpg)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv55%2Fstealthwolf%2FED30%2Fth_hx05.jpg&hash=846c257b2b2753915d4168210ab183749dbff131) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v55/stealthwolf/ED30/?action=view¤t=hx05.jpg)
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StealthWolf - thanks a lot for going to the trouble to upload those! That'll give me something to mull over.. :happy2:
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Heard back today from JOM in Germany. They've only got the same photocopied installation instructions that I've already got. They did say however that they are working on their own set of instructions, but these won't be ready for another two weeks!
The only advice they could offer was..
Hi Paul,
you have to connect the red wire to a + ( plus ) cable, where is power on, after you started the engine by the key inside your car. Do not use the + ( plus ) cable from the leveling controll!
All the best
Joachim
..but we pretty much knew that anyway. :rolleye:
Anyway, I'm hoping to get these installed on Thursday (with a significant amount of assistance :wink:)..
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FPND8162%2FCar_pics%2FDSCN3194.jpg&hash=c36debd8eb9d0d7b44e73fc3ea77c0a8bffbaccb)
^ Hmm, I've just noticed that this could be tricky when you need to attach the tow-eye as you'd have to disconnect the DRL wiring - Or is it a simple unplug jobbie?
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Should just be an 'unplug'. :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FPND8162%2FCar_pics%2FDSCN3179.jpg&hash=5cd5d3a34dbd031717640198edaf6d6792b7b36f)
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Paul sorry about today mate but at least its all routed, I have found the last wire position which is fuse 41 in the interior fuse box. Should take me about 30 minutes to sort it out and it'll be working properly.
By the way when you asked me about a switch?? Apparently you cannot put a switch in by law as they would then be deemed as a spot/fog light, they have to be wired in such a way that the car controls them rather than the driver.
Darren
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Hi Darren
Not a problem! Once again, I am very grateful for your assistance! :notworthy:
I'll get the kettle on..
Paul.
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By the way when you asked me about a switch?? Apparently you cannot put a switch in by law as they would then be deemed as a spot/fog light, they have to be wired in such a way that the car controls them rather than the driver.
Darren
....Are you sure about that? Even if the DRL units are officially marked (as my Hella's are) as "DRL" and with E marks etc?
My VW dealer gave me the option of a switch but we decided (against T_T's info!) to follow the Hella recommendations for being acceptable in most of Europe by switching via ignition etc.
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I think like canada they have to have them so they come on with the ignition, if it becomes law over here then you will not be able to turn them off, but thinking about it at the moment yes we can havr them switched...
The Audi A3 cab I was working on a month or so ago had drl's on the light switch.
Ill grab my coat on the way out :grin: :pomppomp:
Darren
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Yeah!! Installed and working!! :grin:
My own work : 0% :ashamed:
Darren's work : 100% :notworthy:
Once again, a thousand thanks to Darren 'MortyGTTDI' for his invaluable assistance! What would we do without him!
Pictures to follow tomorrow (if daylight puts in an appearance).
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Cheers Paul :happy2: we got there in the end
Darren
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Yeah!! Installed and working!! :grin:
My own work : 0% :ashamed:
Darren's work : 100% :notworthy:
Yep that sounds exactly like what i say too :grin: :grin:
Once again, a thousand thanks to Darren 'MortyGTTDI' for his invaluable assistance! What would we do without him!
Pictures to follow tomorrow (if daylight puts in an appearance).
Well done and am looking forward to seeing the pictures now :happy2:
scott
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It's now dark (and raining) - IMO a great opportunity to see how good they light up in such dim conditions.
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^^ x2, get some pics up :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :popcornsoda:
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It's now dark (and raining) - IMO a great opportunity to see how good they light up in such dim conditions.
....No mercy in our insatiable appetite for pics! :evilgrin:
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:jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:
Anybody would think that you're keen to see some pics!
:pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp:
You will all have to wait until tomorrow!!! :grin:
Apart from anything else, the batteries in my camera are flat!! :signLOL: Patience is a virtue!
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Better still why not post a video ?
We are not too demanding :laugh: :happy2:
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And we want to see a hot babe on the bonnet too! :evilgrin:
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I could fly round with some batteries and a skimpy skirt..might even drape myself across the bonnet for ya'll :grin: :grin: :grin: :pomppomp:
Trust me you lot they are the business, they don't look out of place and i want some now..
Darren
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Finally... after all the waiting... sorry it took so long chaps!... the first lot of pictures...
Ignition on + all lights off = DRLs on full
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fa117%2FPND8162%2FDSCN3223.jpg&hash=7feefa2491c852a63efbd6cf124ee0a18f36aaf4)
Ignition on + sidelights on = DRLs dimmed + sidelights
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fa117%2FPND8162%2FDSCN3213.jpg&hash=534b14b4ddb97751aeb1c195c337652e9e97c17b)
Ignition on + headlights on = DRLs dimmed + headlights
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fa117%2FPND8162%2FDSCN3218.jpg&hash=c5e0058acd5f4a3f79b5c53a0b57deb1f4072fa9)
Ignition on+ all lights off = DRLs on full
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fa117%2FPND8162%2FDSCN3222.jpg&hash=cb0b5f4b413db33a89156ab6badb4ef7336d2215)
Ignition on + sidelights on = DRLs dimmed + sidelights
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fa117%2FPND8162%2FDSCN3220.jpg&hash=4a32d41fca0a9d787837eb079b6ee70ed12a6904)
Ignition on + headlights on = DRLs dimmed + headlights
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fa117%2FPND8162%2FDSCN3216.jpg&hash=ad7f2c7a9fde7ff01c5477a9a664d2510732bf04)
..and just for Robin.. :happy2:
And we want to see a hot babe on the bonnet too! :evilgrin:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fa117%2FPND8162%2FKDF-101.jpg&hash=1676c24f6fe61863b30ef11ec1545879dfacadd4)
A babe in a bonnet. :grin:
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Darren was right they do look good!!
I think youll need to get royalties from the sales of these now!!
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I think youll need to get royalties from the sales of these now!!
:signLOL:
Cheers! I think that's only fair! Any donations will be gratefully received! :happy2:
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Look's good, absolutely a good solution for those with the GTI front :happy2:
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They do look a nice addition.
Gotta be the best aftermarket solution at the moment.
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Truly excellent! :notworthy:
If only they had been available 2 years ago!!!! :fighting: :sad:
Being strips, they look particularly well when you want to dim them. And I love the way you've rigged them up for so many options :happy2:
When dimmed they work especially well as sidelights - Much better than the stock ones do!
I feel sick!
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The dimming is all automatic with the wiring looms/modules that are supplied with the kit. It's literally 3 wires to connect for each light. You get two lots of what is shown in the next pic, one for each light:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FPND8162%2FCar_pics%2FDSCN3196.jpg&hash=4cb310782406052a8bcd9ca8b47ea4151d654d52)
black wire : connect to ground (ended up fastening to chassis ground (blue nut in right of next picture)
white wire : trigger to 'dim' - connect to pin10 on back of headlight connector (circled in next picture)
red wire : connect to switched live (12v ignition) - connected to spare switched live in fusebox in dash
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FPND8162%2FCar_pics%2FDSCN3198.jpg&hash=1f0252a5123569e846cc09bb9d8fc0871232fd53)
Darren ended up making it into a single loom by simply fastening the two reds, two whites, and two blacks together. The reds were then extended with a single wire to go through the bulkhead behind the battery, ending up through the dash to the fusebox. So, one connection at fusebox, one ground connection and one connection to pin10 on headlight connector. The two dimming units were then passed down behind the nearside headlight, down behind the foglight. The nearside dimmer module and connector were then ready to plug in to the nearside fog/DRL light unit. The offside dimmer module and connector were passed behind the front grill/numberplate to the offside foglight area, ready for plugging in.
The DRLs are therefore fully automatic. Basically, when the ignition is on, the DRLS are on. When sidelights or headlights are on, the DRLs automatically dim to the level shown in the pics. Therefore there is no need for any coding at all.
Cheers again Darren! It's just the way I'd have connected it myself! Please correct anything I've just said! :laugh:
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They look great, nice and bright when on, just on their own.. :happy2:
Worth all the hard work from the look of it.
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Has to be the best aftermarket DLR i've ever seen
the grilles design look OEM quality too :happy2:
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You missed a pic - one with fogs activated!!!
Anyway :congrats: - some very good work in getting them fitted.
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You've got that has I would have wrote it Paul :happy2: Can I just say the quality of the fog covers with the DRL's in IMO is like OEM, they do fit perfect.
Darren
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These look great I wasn't sure by some of the earlier pictures as it looked like the DRL's were at an odd angle as if they were pointing down. :confused:
I dont think I am bothered about the dimming etc but these may be a pre christmas purchase. :happy2:
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:congrats:
Added to my wanted list :ashamed:
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Group buy anyone? :party:
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Over the last week, I have been in contact with a chap called Joachim at Jom.de, who supply these from Germany and mentioned that there may be a few people interested in these DRLs. He said he was willing to speak to Les at veedubmachine.co.uk, who is the UK reseller where I bought the lights from, to see about doing a 'special price'..
I've not heard anything from Les yet, but a bit of discount may be possible. I bought my set from his website (www.veedubmachine.co.uk) which is cheaper than his eBay site.
Part numbers are as follows:
80077 : clear lenses (like mine)
80079 : smoked lenses
Both types are currently available at £115.88 + £5.30 p&p = £121.18
Therefore, total including VAT = £142.39
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Group buy anyone? :party:
Followed by a group fitting at morty's place? :grin:
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@PND
Just looked at http://www.jom.de/index.php?cat=816
There appear to be two types available in clear/smoked and chrome???
I'm defo in if there's a groupbuy :happy2:
And if you can get some of Jom's calendar girls to fit them
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jom.de%2Fmedia%2Fcontent%2FKalender%2F2010%2F1210_1680x1050.jpg&hash=b74668a19a4b0046364ff5d98ce8909e7d52dd7f)
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Just noticed the one in the middle looks like Sebastian Vettel's long lost sister :grin:
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There appear to be two types available in clear/smoked and chrome???
And if you can get some of Jom's calendar girls to fit them
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jom.de%2Fmedia%2Fcontent%2FKalender%2F2010%2F1210_1680x1050.jpg&hash=b74668a19a4b0046364ff5d98ce8909e7d52dd7f)
Apparently it's random who they send to install the lights.. it's a bit of a gamble and could be one of the Jom ladies, or it could be Darren! :laugh:
These are pics of the 2 types available:
Smoked (80079):
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FPND8162%2FCar_pics%2FDRL2.jpg&hash=465aa024066dac14bd01106da1b90f7891c372bc)
Clear (80077):
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FPND8162%2FCar_pics%2Fimage_80077_2.jpg&hash=fcf7c4406e26b932b9bfc6c372eb8c034a4e3e90)
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I take it the light output is the same for each one?
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I take it the light output is the same for each one?
I guess so.. I went for the clear on the basis that if they were too bright, I could probably tint them myself. However, I'm very pleased with them as they are. :happy2:
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any news on a possible group buy?
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any news on a possible group buy?
I've not heard back from Les at veedubmachine yet. I've been a bit busy at work I'm afraid, so not had chance to chase him up. I might ask if he'll give me some individual discount codes for you to use, that I could PM to those interested..
How many people out there are genuinely interested in these?
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I am on the cusp of buying but a discount code would do it for me!
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Me too, provided insurance company are okay with it.
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Had a word with supplier. Hoping to arrange group buy.
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Had a word with supplier. Hoping to arrange group buy.
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Cheers Bodger! Thanks for taking up the mantle, as it were. I've not had chance to follow it up properly. At least I did the initial testing for you all!
Don't suppose I'll qualify for a retrospective discount.. :sad1:
Good luck with it and if you need any more info, you know where I am.
Cheers :drinking:
Paul.
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Cheers Paul
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these are very nicely done :happy2:
as an aside they could also be used as cold air feeds for brakes/intake instead of open grilles if you take the holders out :happy2:
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I have managed to arrange a groupbuy with discount for all. Further details coming soon but it should be a chunk less than the £140 advertised price.
I am happy to organise it but need a number of people who are firmly interested. The more people who are interested the bigger the discount. As soon as I have the numbers I can confirm the discount.
If you copy and paste the below.
I'll start by adding my name:
1. Bodger00
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Interested mate provided I can use my flexible friend, upon confirmation of discount. Thanks
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Do you think it's possible to put them on bullet connectors so they can be disconnected temporarily? They look super cool but come service or repair time( and I plan to extend the warranty when she's three) was thinking if they could be temp swapped then vw wouldn't be so bothered. I imagine on sight of these and tapping into the wiring will void any warranty? I might ask if vw want to fit em and they could do them as a vw endorsed retrofit! :signLOL:
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They already have connectors which can be unplugged if required. Payment will be by paypal directly to the supplier but with the group discount so via card would be the way.
So far we have:
1. Bodger00
2.Bindinbear
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4.
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6.
Please copy and paste the above adding your name if interested
Thanks
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Hi all, Les at Veedubmachine has come back to me and said that he will offer the drls at £122 each giving a saving of nearly twenty quid off! :happy2: :happy2:
All I need now is a list of people :rolleye: :rolleye:
A discount code will be given once I have a full list but be quick :wink: :wink:
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1. Bodger00
2. Bindinbear
3. Stealthwolf
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He has also said he might "throw some other bits in too" whatever that means.
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Discount code promised by the end of today and will be live for a short period only. I will PM the code details as soon as I get them to those interested.
:party: :party: :party:
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Discount code is now live until the 5th of December for both the clear and the smoked lenses. Also on offer is a bonnet bra for those who are interested.
Full group buy info code here:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21797.msg294951.html#msg294951
Enjoy
:happy2:
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Just in case anyone was wondering... mine passed its MOT today at a VW main dealer with the DRLs causing no problem at all! :happy2:
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Just in case anyone was wondering... mine passed its MOT today at a VW main dealer with the DRLs causing no problem at all! :happy2:
....That's good news :happy2:
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I received mine today and can vouch for the quality of the item :happy2:
Pity I cant say the same about the instructions....they are crap :ashamed: but thank god for this forum :happy2:
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If you have any questions, ask away! I'll try and answer if I can! :happy2:
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Thanks Paul. To be honest I am now trying to make sense of it all. I am technically minded and capable with a soldering iron so should not be impossible for me. Although I wish a had a Morty nearby :laugh:
After reading your instructional post I have two questions:
Where do you place the control units and how did you afix them?
and
After running the wire through the bulkhead how did you connect it to the spare fuse in the fuse box?
Presumably you used some sort of protective covering for the wires as they look like they could easilly get damaged in their current form?
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black wire : connect to ground (ended up fastening to chassis ground (blue nut in right of next picture)
white wire : trigger to 'dim' - connect to pin10 on back of headlight connector (circled in next picture)
red wire : connect to switched live (12v ignition) - connected to spare switched live in fusebox in dash
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FPND8162%2FCar_pics%2FDSCN3198.jpg&hash=1f0252a5123569e846cc09bb9d8fc0871232fd53)
Darren ended up making it into a single loom by simply fastening the two reds, two whites, and two blacks together. The reds were then extended with a single wire to go through the bulkhead behind the battery, ending up through the dash to the fusebox. So, one connection at fusebox, one ground connection and one connection to pin10 on headlight connector. The two dimming units were then passed down behind the nearside headlight, down behind the foglight. The nearside dimmer module and connector were then ready to plug in to the nearside fog/DRL light unit. The offside dimmer module and connector were passed behind the front grill/numberplate to the offside foglight area, ready for plugging in.
Additional info:
The 'trigger' feed was taken from pin10 off the back of the nearside headlight connector as shown above. The black plastic surround was removed and the wire to pin10 was cut to allow the white 'trigger' wires to be connected. Rather than using the supplied conectors, the wires were soldered and sealed using heatshrink.
Where do you place the control units and how did you afix them?
The wiring and both of the control units were fed down behind the nearside headlight and the first module was positioned behind the nearside foglight grill, fastened to existing cabling with plastic cable ties, ready to connect the nearside DRL. The sticky pads probably wouldn't have lasted very long. The other module was fed behind the front grill/numberplate to the matching place behind the offside foglight grill. Darren removed the front numberplate and grill to make this easier. This second module was again cable-tied to the foglight wiring to hold it in place behind the grill. The two fuses for each side were positioned next to the control module for that side to make access to them simpler.
After running the wire through the bulkhead how did you connect it to the spare fuse in the fuse box?
This involved feeding the wire through the bulkhead from behind the battery into the dashboard below the glovebox area, behind the ashtray area and then up towards the fusebox. Darren did remove the sides of the centre console to make this easier. The connection to the fusebox involved adding a repair wire into the back of the fusebox into one the spare positions. I think it was fuse position 41 that is used ideally. I think we ended up using either position 40 or 43 from memory with a 15A fuse (Darren - can you confirm?)
This is an in-depth way of doing it (obviously left-hand drive)! Darren managed to get a new connection in the back of the fusebox without removing any trim (apart from the fusebox cover and the storage drawer below the headlight switch). He also managed it without having to take all the fuses out or sliding the release mechanism (sorry Darren if this wasn't the case!) The fusebox can just about be squeezed out once its back cover has been removed, so the new wire can be inserted.
Addition of extra circuits to the Volkswagen Golf (http://www.my-gti.com/601/addition-of-extra-circuits-to-the-volkswagen-golf-jetta-passat-eos-scirocco-rabbit-fuse-box)
Presumably you used some sort of protective covering for the wires as they look like they could easilly get damaged in their current form?
Where the soldered joints were, Darren used heat-shrink and/or tape to cover the wires. For the main loom, he just taped the wires together every few inches.
I hope that this is of some more help to you. Apologies to Darren if anything is wrong in the above.. Please feel free to correct me!
Please ask again about which bits need more detail. Anything more technical, I shall leave to Darren to explain!
All the best!
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Thats an awesome description of my work Paul well done... :happy2: it is quite simple to do if someone is wanting to tackle it themselves, Paul has described where the wires go and the fuse box is simple.
Bodger with all this snow it might make it virtually impossible to do the retro fit but if you want to do it yourself ill give you my number if you get stuck I can give you advice over the phone :happy2:
If it clears up by next week then I'm free Friday
Cheers
Darren :happy2:
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Cheers Darren :happy2:
I have no way of working on this car in this weather so I may just have to wait :sad1:
If I clears for Friday I will be in touch.
Thanks again
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Thats an awesome description of my work Paul well done... :happy2:
See, I was paying attention! :laugh:
I have no way of working on this car in this weather so I may just have to wait :sad1:
I'm sure you'll sort it between the pair of you! :happy2: The snow will have gone before you know it... hhhhmm.. that's what I thought last year!
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Sorry to interrupt but........if you want them for daylights I believe there's a code
via VagCom and when you release the handbrake the lights goes on.
If you want them for the looks.......well OK.
:smiley:
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Sorry to interrupt but........if you want them for daylights I believe there's a code
via VagCom and when you release the handbrake the lights goes on.
If you want them for the looks.......well OK.
:smiley:
What? :confused: Not sure what you mean...
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Me neither?? :laugh:
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Sorry to interrupt but........if you want them for daylights I believe there's a code
via VagCom and when you release the handbrake the lights goes on.
If you want them for the looks.......well OK.
:smiley:
What? :confused: Not sure what you mean...
I mean that you don't have to buy these if you want daylights.
Ι know there's a code via Vag-Com that turns your lights on the moment you release the handbrake.
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Ι know there's a code via Vag-Com that turns your lights on the moment you release the handbrake.
Which lights?
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I mean that you don't have to buy these if you want daylights.
Ι know there's a code via Vag-Com that turns your lights on the moment you release the handbrake.
....Except that the standard lights on your car do not meet the correct specifications of Daytime Running Lights unless included as such ex factory - Audi LED DRLs for example.
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Personally I don't see the point. But I would say that I bought some drls
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Can't wait to fit mine. If only the snow would go so I can pay Darren a visit :party:
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Can't wait to fit mine. If only the snow would go so I can pay Darren a visit :party:
Have a go yourself??
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Can't wait to fit mine. If only the snow would go so I can pay Darren a visit :party:
Have a go yourself??
....He might be called "bodger" for a reason :grin:
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Hmmm maybe ... :scared:
:grin:
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:grin: :grin: :grin:
Yes there was a reason and had something to do with rusty nuts :signLOL:
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:grin: :grin: :grin:
Yes there was a reason and had something to do with rusty nuts :signLOL:
Stop sitting out in the rain with no y- fronts on! :signLOL:
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Out of interest who else has bought these DRL's?
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Any pics of the rear of the grille piece please? May try a retrofit on some open vents and put them along the bottom part?
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Any pics of the rear of the grille piece please? May try a retrofit on some open vents and put them along the bottom part?
....Do these pics help?:
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Any pics of the rear of the grille piece please? May try a retrofit on some open vents and put them along the bottom part?
....Do these pics help?:
Cheers Robin! Saved me the bother! :santa: I knew those pics would come in handy.
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Quick update - Now the snow has finally cleared, I have tried to investigate exactly what is required to do the job myself. I have no problems with any of it other than adding an extra circuit and getting the switched live from the fusebox. To be honest I think this is beyond me having read the instructions from here:
http://www.my-gti.com/601/addition-of-extra-circuits-to-the-volkswagen-golf-jetta-passat-eos-scirocco-rabbit-fuse-box
Darren has kindly offerred to help me out when he is next free, so I am patiently waiting for a free slot. :smiley:
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I went to see Darren today and after three hours of Darren's hard work here are the results:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi975.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae235%2Fbodger00%2FIMG_0872.jpg&hash=9fba20836c38739794bc8883efa7bf806dafcb3a)
I am so happy with the final result! The wiring has all been done like it should and the finished product looks and works really well.
Many thanks to Darren for his hard work in the cold weather and to his wife for the cups of tea :happy2:
Darren I will be in touch again soon it was great to meet you today :smiley:
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Excellent, bodger! :notworthy:
Nice to see what they look like on a red one.
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I went to see Darren today and after three hours of Darren's hard work here are the results:
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I am so happy with the final result! The wiring has all been done like it should and the finished product looks and works really well.
Many thanks to Darren for his hard work in the cold weather and to his wife for the cups of tea :happy2:
Darren I will be in touch again soon it was great to meet you today :smiley:
Yeah!! At last there's another member in the 'LED-DRLs-and-fogs-in-the-fog-grill' club! Glad Darren was able to sort them for you - told you it was worth the wait!
Nice to have a day with no snow, ice or rain at last! :happy2:
What's next then?!
Paul.
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Excellent job, really like the look of these! Without a doubt they are one of the nicest looking DRL install I have seen on a Mk5 yet.
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Without a doubt they are one of the nicest looking DRL install I have seen on a Mk5 yet.
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No-one likes my DRL's :sad1:
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Without a doubt they are one of the nicest looking DRL install I have seen on a Mk5 yet.
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No-one likes my DRL's :sad1:
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Your not left out Red Golfman(Scott) has the same DRL's has you and they look just has good :happy2:
Chris it was nice to meet up mate, your golf looked immaculate and the DRL's really finished the front end off :happy2: If you need anything in the future you know where I am mate.
Good luck to you and the missus and bump :drinking:
Darren
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Crikey, these look good. Only thing is I like my open vents... I've been thinking about fitting LED strips to them but it seems far too much effort.
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Cheers Darren no doubt I will be in touch again soon :happy2:
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Hi everyone, just read through all 14 pages of posts, i'm very impressed with the spec of these they do look very OEM
i have the A6/S6 DRL's in my grills on an R32 and even though i'm very ok at fitting work and wiring a doddle as a sparky there a right pig to fix in.
i will be bounding these around the r32oc as i know there are gti and other owners over that way
PND they look great on your car and not wanting to start another argument i do perfer them on with ignition and dimming with side/head lights so great job and lots of good pics and write ups given :happy2:
ps sorry if my spelling and grammer wasn't upto scratch for some
Also for any R32 owners or A6/S6 drl owners have a quick read though this it might be useful
http://www.r32oc.com/tutorials-guides/29360-fitting-wiring-a6-drls.html
you might also be intrested in OEM engraved switches from
http://carstyle4you.com/index.php?cPath=16_22_33_47
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could you not have the fogs on too with a led replacement lamp i think that would look better as imho they look to close together when on on their own
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I must admit I much prefer this style -
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But really don't want too loose my fogs! So wouldn;t be the same on a GTi!
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I like having fogs but the amount they're used I don't think they're necessary. The A6/S6 ones look awesome :happy2:
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I have never used fog lights lol, I probably wont for years either but I do like them and like to know they are there still :P
If I had an r32 the s6 ones would be a must!
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I like having fogs but the amount they're used I don't think they're necessary. The A6/S6 ones look awesome :happy2:
....When I investigated DRLs on my Mk5 GTI I discovered that unless I changed the panels to the horizontal slatted grills like the GT has, the crash bar would have to be cut into for S6 DRL units. So, a no-no.
Because I live in an area where fog/sea-mist is common, I thoroughly tested my use of the stock fog lights before deciding that they were fairly useless in how much they helped - I use my Xenons dipped for fog.
Why is it that some cars are factory supplied with front fog lights and others aren't? Mk5 GTI and R32 for example.
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Cost issues? The R32 was expensive enough back in its day.
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Cost issues? The R32 was expensive enough back in its day.
....I don't doubt you're right. It does tend to also indicate that the car manufacturers aren't too fussed about the effectiveness of front fogs, plus without any compulsory legislation.
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I'm soo wanting to kill about every 3 out of 10 here in Denmark, as it has become fashion to run the fogs all day long and in a white landscape they get reflected a lot more from the ground than in foggy weather. :fighting:
Fu**ing morons :mad:
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I'm soo wanting to kill about every 3 out of 10 here in Denmark, as it has become fashion to run the fogs all day long and in a white landscape they get reflected a lot more from the ground than in foggy weather.
....I hadn't realised about the snow reflection and so if I ever find myself out in snow in daylight, I'll switch my LED DRLs (in fog light position) to sidelights. I avoid taking my car out in the snow anyway.
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Its not just Denmark. It was driving me crazy when we had snow. 45% of the cars coming the other way had there fogs on! Its bad enough at night in normal conditions. Its like a virus its spreading like crazy.
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I did really like and love these DRL until i looked at this photo.
It suddenly looked like a pair of cock and scrotums to me. :confused: (Sorry to the owner and i don't meen to hurt your feelings its prob just that photo) Its just what it suddenly looked like. :ashamed:
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I did really like and love these DRL until i looked at this photo.
It suddenly looked like a pair of cock and scrotums to me. :confused: (Sorry to the owner and i don't meen to hurt your feelings its prob just that photo) Its just what it suddenly looked like. :ashamed:
....Wow! Does your cock light up in the dark then, Geoff!? :evilgrin:
The good thing about how mine are wired is that at night or whenever I switch to any other lights my DRLs auto switch completely off. Result is I can look a cool but safer dude in daylight and not a cock at night.
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It suddenly looked like a pair of cock and scrotums to me. :confused: (Sorry to the owner and i don't meen to hurt your feelings its prob just that photo) Its just what it suddenly looked like. :ashamed:
...one track mind? :P
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Females, Food, Staying alive, are constantly on the main menu of my mind!
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No problems Snoopy everyone should have their own opinion and mine is that these are the best OEM look DRLs available :happy2:
I guess that's why I got them fitted.
To be honest I wouldn't go by that photo that I took, as the exposure is over what it should have been to let the light in, as it was dusk (can't tell can you :wink:).
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I too really liked them and as i said its just that photo that made me see it differently. :ashamed: I have watched and took part in this thread since day one and never thought that till i got to see that photo. I too really liked them and never thought anything else of any of the other photos. :happy2:
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Hi guys i would like to order some of these drl's whats the best website to order from? looks like a bit pain to fit? might need a pro to do it? no good with DIY!!
thanks
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If you read through the thread, I'm pretty sure there's a link.
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Hi guys i would like to order some of these drl's whats the best website to order from? looks like a bit pain to fit? might need a pro to do it? no good with DIY!!
thanks
There was a 'group buy' which Bodger kindly set up, where Les at VeeDubMachine was offering 10% off. It might be worth contacting Les to see if he'll still offer some discount. He's the best person to buy off anyway!
http://www.veedubmachine.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_18_60_96&products_id=1198
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anyone know how long these DRL's take to fit? easy job?
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anyone know how long these DRL's take to fit? easy job?
....I thought that this information was already posted in this thread. RTFT? If not, I'm pretty certain it's been posted on this site... How-to section? Search button?
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Anyone round the suffolk?essex area can help me fit these? will pay!!
thanks
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I'm down in Essex ofter. (Ilford)
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Excuse me if it has allready been mentioned , but do vdub offer a fitting service for these lights they look great :wink:
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Excuse me if it has allready been mentioned , but do vdub offer a fitting service for these lights they look great :wink:
I doubt it as it's not a VW product! You might be able to persuade an independent to have a go though if you're lucky!
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Never mind. You have posted some good diagrams previously in your thread. I'd be willing to try myself :happy2:
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Excuse me if it has allready been mentioned , but do vdub offer a fitting service for these lights they look great :wink:
I doubt it as it's not a VW product! You might be able to persuade an independent to have a go though if you're lucky!
....I think it depends on your VW dealer and your relationship with them. Mine fitted and wired my Hella DRLs. They also have painted and fitted my carbonfibre bonnet, R32 rear and other things during the last 6 years which I can't think of right now. In all cases I have supplied the parts.
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Thats an idea robin. I may contact vw for a quote , as i'm no electrition!
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Thats an idea robin. I may contact vw for a quote , as i'm no electrition!
....If you don't ask you'll never know. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, etc. Who knows, sometimes they are very competitively priced too. VW dealers vary and they're not all bad 'uns but we only tend to hear about the bad ones.
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Great write up guys, hopefully picking my mk5 up next week. Robin, initially I didn't like your DRL (I know you don't care) but I find them growers I'm liking them more and more as I see the pictures, and if nothing else I totally like the fact they are round in a world of strip DRL and good job blazing a trail getting them fitted with a cool write up.
Has anybody tried the smoked versions ? My Mk5 is black and I'm hoping the smoked ones look more subdued as I'm going for safety over bling. Also how are insurance companies finding the safety addition of DRL ? Money off the premium no doubt ? :wink:
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Great write up guys, hopefully picking my mk5 up next week. Robin, initially I didn't like your DRL (I know you don't care) but I find them growers I'm liking them more and more as I see the pictures, and if nothing else I totally like the fact they are round in a world of strip DRL and good job blazing a trail getting them fitted with a cool write up.
Has anybody tried the smoked versions ? My Mk5 is black and I'm hoping the smoked ones look more subdued as I'm going for safety over bling. Also how are insurance companies finding the safety addition of DRL ? Money off the premium no doubt ? :wink:
....Glad mine have grown on you! :happy2: The high-end Alfa's have round ones by Hella too.
There's possibly a slight contradiction when you say: "I'm hoping the smoked ones look more subdued as I'm going for safety over bling" as the more subdued they are, the less safety effective they are. They need to be seen even in bright sunny conditions - Making both slower vehicles in front and oncoming traffic aware of your presence and likely intention to overtake, regardless of dark shadows or bright sunlight.
Not a serious question no doubt, but insurance companies won't reduce your costs due to having DRLs - All new cars built beyond a certain date (in 2012 IIRC) are obliged to have them as OEM. Declare them to an insurer though, if only so they can be replaced in a claim.
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"I'm hoping the smoked ones look more subdued as I'm going for safety over bling" - yeah sorry I meant subdued when they are off :smiley: I was wondering how "invisible" the smoked ones look when the car is parked.
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Are the smoked ones actually darker than chrome when on then ?
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Welcome along Pete, this may help with your decision, although fitted to my vRS, I wrapped my retrofitted DRL's in Lamin-X smoke tint. When off they are hardly noticeable, but the film makes little or no difference to the light output when they are on.....
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That's great, that's exactly the look I am going for. Thanks. I've ordered a pair I'll post up when I get them fitted. Thanks.
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I went for the smoked and they arrived super quick. (excellent speed from veedubmachine) I'll post up as soon as I get them on.
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You won't regret getting them Pete :happy2: I have had mine on for two years now and I've had no problems at all.
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Just need to be brave about the wire run to the fuse box and get em on now.
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and here they are. Glad I went with smoked
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Welcome aboard!! I think that's 3 of us now!
Looks really good. :happy2:
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IIRC, the UK originally was against dedicated DRL legislation :stupid:
O-rly . . . and your source is? :popcornsoda:
For the record - the UK has NEVER been 'against' any DRL legislation. :stupid:
and was in favour of the dipping method but was quashed by the EC :congrats: - This may have something to do with it.
Bullsh*t! The 'dim-dip' regulations had fcuk all to do with DRLs. The dim-dip regs were bought in in the 1980s - to try to stop twats driving on only side lights. That law backfired - because whilst it became impossible to drive on sidelights where it was legally possible to do so (ie, in a built up area subject to a 30mph speed limit AND lit by street lights), the said twats then insisted on driving in 40/50/60/70mph areas still on dim-dim, instead of proper headlamps. And driving at 70mph with the wrong lights is far more dangerous than driving at 30mph with the wrong lights! For this reason, and this reason only - the dim-dip law was rescinded.
I've read that currently 17 countries in Europe have DRL legislation. I doubt that the UK is up to speed on this yet.
Erm . . . is the UK not a member state of the EU now?????? UK 'Type Approval' has to comply with EU Type Approval - so if its law in the EU, it is law in the UK.
Whatever the legislation, the light from LED's is far more effective and efficient than using other light sources, dimmed or otherwise < IMO! [well, actually in some high level studies too].
Agreed.
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I have a mk5 golf haynes manual. Will try and post up the relevant pages lster if you want.
My thread of free workshop manuals also has wiring diagrams too - though if you arn't an auto electrician, the Haynes ones are easier to follow! :ashamed:
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By the way when you asked me about a switch?? Apparently you cannot put a switch in by law as they would then be deemed as a spot/fog light, they have to be wired in such a way that the car controls them rather than the driver.
Darren
....Are you sure about that? Even if the DRL units are officially marked (as my Hella's are) as "DRL" and with E marks etc?
The switch is prohibited - simply because DRLs now HAVE to be live when the engine is running. But don't get that confused with any 'override' to dim them or turn them off completely when the headlamps were turned on,
My VW dealer gave me the option of a switch but we decided (against T_T's info!) to follow the Hella recommendations for being acceptable in most of Europe by switching via ignition etc.
WTF are you on about? I was NEVER party to any advice you recieved on how to install your own DRLs. However, I did pass comments AFTER you had them fitted - so please don't try and say your install was 'against my info' :fighting:
And the comment on your dealer offering you a switch - that sorta proves they too don't know the law either (though I conceed that your DRL retrofits were one of the early adopters).
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I mean that you don't have to buy these if you want daylights.
Ι know there's a code via Vag-Com that turns your lights on the moment you release the handbrake.
....Except that the standard lights on your car do not meet the correct specifications of Daytime Running Lights
Which is . . . . . . ?
For the record - firstly, the standard OEM headlamps - AND/OR foglamps can be perfectly legally made to meet 'DRL' regulations; and secondly, there is NO specific specification which details the type of light which a DRL must use.
unless included as such ex factory - Audi LED DRLs for example.
And that is just ONE example. Mercedes double strip LEDs (which stay on full brightness even with diped and main beam headlamps) is completely 'DRL legal'. As is the tungsten (ie, conventional filament bulbs, not LEDs) as used on current Audi A3s, Vauxhall Insignias etc also perfectly DRL legal. As is the latest BMW 'angel eye' DRLs perfectly 'DRL-legal'.
Red, your DRL bulsh*tometer has gone completely off the scale!
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I like having fogs but the amount they're used I don't think they're necessary. The A6/S6 ones look awesome :happy2:
Because I live in an area where fog/sea-mist is common, I thoroughly tested my use of the stock fog lights before deciding that they were fairly useless in how much they helped - I use my Xenons dipped for fog.
If you found your standard fogs not much cop - then they wern't properly aligned. The standard Mk5 fogs work very well - when they are correctly aligned. It is also important not to use these fancy 'super bright white' bulbs in fogs - the best bulbs for fogs are 'all seasons' bulbs - but because these look slightly 'yellow', some peeps seem to think they don't look 'cool'. :confused:
Why is it that some cars are factory supplied with front fog lights and others aren't? Mk5 GTI and R32 for example.
Many reasons . . . cost, cooling, style, establishment, etc.
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Cost issues? The R32 was expensive enough back in its day.
....I don't doubt you're right. It does tend to also indicate that the car manufacturers aren't too fussed about the effectiveness of front fogs, plus without any compulsory legislation.
Ahhhh . . . that is a different issue. A 'proper' fog lamp needs a specifically designed beam, angled in a very low, wide and flat pattern. That usually means a wide rectangular lamp, mounted as low as possible. The current Mk6 fog design is all wrong (tall and thin, rather than short and wide). And the Mk4 was a no-no too (too small, and mounted too high).
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Welcome back T_T! :star:
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Welcome back T_T! :star:
Thanks! :jumpmove:
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It is also important not to use these fancy 'super bright white' bulbs in fogs - the best bulbs for fogs are 'all seasons' bulbs - but because these look slightly 'yellow', some peeps seem to think they don't look 'cool'. :confused:
Can't agree more with this, bright white light just bounces back off fog, when I get the chance I will be getting some yellow tinted bulbs or yellow lamin-x film to wrap my fogs on both cars. :happy2:
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Hmm mine drive side light is intermittently not coming on and the warning is coming on on the dash. Seems random wether it comes on or not. The led dim function wire was scotch locked in and I've changed that to solder and it makes no difference. Any ideas what I should check ?
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Hmm mine drive side light is intermittently not coming on and the warning is coming on on the dash. Seems random wether it comes on or not. The led dim function wire was scotch locked in and I've changed that to solder and it makes no difference. Any ideas what I should check ?
The side light bulb!!!!!!!!! :booty:
Seriously, I've sometimes come across bulbs which work intermittantly, look perfectly ok on visual inspection - yet fit a new bulb and normal operation is restored. :happy2:
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Thanks I wouldn't have thought of that but if the bulb is right on the edge. It was fine before but it did have some frond end work at the same time as these were fitted so perhaps the bulb is now a bit unhappy. Thanks for the info
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I must admit I much prefer this style -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2FDRLs%2FIMAG0296.jpg&hash=22d6ad004f37d48b015257e29107ccf7fab410ab)
But really don't want too loose my fogs! So wouldn;t be the same on a GTi!
Those probably suit the Mk5 best and just wondering how "white" those are as many on the market have a hint of yellow to them.
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I must admit I much prefer this style -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FSI-R32%2FDRLs%2FIMAG0296.jpg&hash=22d6ad004f37d48b015257e29107ccf7fab410ab)
But really don't want too loose my fogs! So wouldn;t be the same on a GTi!
Those probably suit the Mk5 best and just wondering how "white" those are as many on the market have a hint of yellow to them.
Those are S6 ones, so very white
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I'm looking at some of these for Xmas, which are brightest and best ones now adays?
Joe
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I'm looking at some of these for Xmas, which are brightest and best ones now adays?
Joe
....Brightest? - Do you mean whitest? I would have thought that the quality of a good automotive LED DRL isn't judged or measured by its brightest. Good quality, not cheapo stick-on, DRL's are bright enough without irritating other road users by dazzling them. Be seen but don't dazzle - You don't want to be lit up like a Xmas tree.
Best? - That's very subjective, but I would look for those brands who also manufacture for OEM production cars - They build to higher standards and to practical requirements such as weather resistance and durability. My Hella's have been awesome.
I saw a car the other day with obviously cheapo low quality LED strips and 2 bulbs had gone on one side. It's looked the absolute opposite of cool.
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I'm looking at some of these for Xmas, which are brightest and best ones now adays?
Joe
....Brightest? - Do you mean whitest? I would have thought that the quality of a good automotive LED DRL isn't judged or measured by its brightest. Good quality, not cheapo stick-on, DRL's are bright enough without irritating other road users by dazzling them. Be seen but don't dazzle - You don't want to be lit up like a Xmas tree.
Best? - That's very subjective, but I would look for those brands who also manufacture for OEM production cars - They build to higher standards and to practical requirements such as weather resistance and durability. My Hella's have been awesome.
I saw a car the other day with obviously cheapo low quality LED strips and 2 bulbs had gone on one side. It's looked the absolute opposite of cool.
Hmmmm there is alot if options! I like the oem ones but some don't look so great quality!
Jie
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are the drls still available from the veedub shop?
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are the drls still available from the veedub shop?
Not sure if they do..
If not, try here..
http://audiovisualworld.co.uk/shopping/car-multi-media/my-car-needs/volkswagen/jom-80077-vw-golf-mk5-gt-gti-04-lower-bumper-vent-day-running-led.html
or here..
http://www.dubmonkeyz.co.uk/vw-golf-mk5-gti-led-daytime-running-lights-inc-grills-673-p.asp
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^^^^
The ones illustrated on the audiovisualworld site don't look right for the mk5 GTI.
The ones illustrated on the dubmonkeyz site do look right for the Mk5 GTI.
^ When I say "look right" I mean "fit correctly".
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cheers pnd and red
the only issue with them is that if you have a gt sport ie tdi varient then the honeycomb grills wont suit the tdi grills heres a pic of my front
do they have a alternate solution?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fg199%2Fnadlad%2F20121025_134932.jpg&hash=0472ef3b35214ba6f231eecac78f106972aabca7)
noticed these on ebay too
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Golf-5-V-GTI-2003-2009-DRL-Daytime-Running-LED-Fog-Light-Cover-for-VW-/360414786292?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Plat_Gen%3AMK+V&hash=item53ea6532f4
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cheers pnd and red
the only issue with them is that if you have a gt sport ie tdi varient then the honeycomb grills wont suit the tdi grills heres a pic of my front
do they have a alternate solution?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fg199%2Fnadlad%2F20121025_134932.jpg&hash=0472ef3b35214ba6f231eecac78f106972aabca7)
noticed these on ebay too
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Golf-5-V-GTI-2003-2009-DRL-Daytime-Running-LED-Fog-Light-Cover-for-VW-/360414786292?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Plat_Gen%3AMK+V&hash=item53ea6532f4
....I think that the eBay ones are grills/covers only and don't include any LED units or wiring connections.
My Hella round LED units should fit straight into your GT Sport grills (except possibly for some easy and minor aperture shaving behind to get a better fit).
Check out my thread on DRL's if you haven't done so already: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1917.0.html
However, you may have your heart set on LED strips and also not want to lose your fog lights.
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Ave read the first page theirs no mention of costs
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Ave read the first page theirs no mention of costs
....I never tend to remember what things cost except immediately at the time and it was exactly 4 years ago and prices will have changed from then anyway.
I've given the part # in the Review, so it shouldn't be too difficult to find out. Hella TUV-approved products are strong and durable and won't be as cheap as chips.
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JOM do some DRL's with a r-line style grill, They will suit a GT
(Off i go to try and find some pictures.)
Edit.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi4.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy109%2Focpi%2FVW_GOLF5_GTI_Photo_02.jpg&hash=0238dd6be7c1818c8adb3a00b9dc6fb54880adc3)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.awesomegti.com%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F1%2Fimage%2F4a1b4c9354d00a02f5cd857a476e59b1%2FD%2FR%2FDRLMK5.jpg&hash=31dd67216f06d33c9b545f9b82e414dbd96691e6)
http://www.awesomegti.com/parts/styling/lighting/r-line-lower-grilles-drl-led-light-strip-golf-mk5
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iv been interested in getting DRL's for my car...
only problem is i dont have a gti...or a GT front bumper.. so none of the advised kits would be suitable for my bumper.
i have a standard front bumper and dont have any fog lights. i was going to get some fog lights but then decided id prefer DRL strip (like the audi ones)
i have found some on ebay which seem very cheap but have quite a nice function of turning amber upon indicating...
link: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110850606543?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
now i am yet to measure up to see if these will slide into my grille without having to chop the grilles up to get them to fit...
was wondering has any1 had any experience with these kinda DRL's? for the price i may just buy a set and give them a go but wanted to see what other peoples views where first....
what i dont wana do is make it look tacky, i want an OEM look (even though i know thats hard to achieve due to the fact mk5 golfs dont have oem DRL's)
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Hi,
I have just bought these drl's but am having trouble getting the wire through the bulkhead to dash fusebox. How did you feed this wire? I have seen you can feed it through the grommet where the bonnet release cable is, but i'm not able to get a wire through ( coathanger wire), any tips or suggestions would be appreciated, as i've spent all afternoon trying to feed one wire! The rest of the job will be a piece of cake once i get past this hurdle!
Thanks in advance,
Paul.
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Hi,
I have just bought these drl's but am having trouble getting the wire through the bulkhead to dash fusebox. How did you feed this wire? I have seen you can feed it through the grommet where the bonnet release cable is, but i'm not able to get a wire through ( coathanger wire), any tips or suggestions would be appreciated, as i've spent all afternoon trying to feed one wire! The rest of the job will be a piece of cake once i get past this hurdle!
Thanks in advance,
Paul.
Hi Paul
From memory I think the wire was fed through from the engine bay (behind the battery) under the glovebox and then fed behind the dash to the fusebox. Hope that helps.
Cheers
Paul.
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Hi PND,
Thanks for reply, thats what i've also read elsewhere, but it seems a big job in that a lot of the lower dash/ centre console need to be removed for access?
Paul
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Hi PND,
Got the drl's wired and working, as per the instructions and your details on this thread,only thing is the drls are not dimming when the sidelights or headlights are on, is there something else needs to be done, or have I missed something?
regards, Paul.
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without checking in detail sounds like you need to wire up the dimmer this would probably go to the headlight power wire or something.
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Hi PND,
Got the drl's wired and working, as per the instructions and your details on this thread,only thing is the drls are not dimming when the sidelights or headlights are on, is there something else needs to be done, or have I missed something?
regards, Paul.
black wire : connect to ground (ended up fastening to chassis ground (blue nut in right of next picture)
white wire : trigger to 'dim' - connect to pin10 on back of headlight connector (circled in next picture)
red wire : connect to switched live (12v ignition) - connected to spare switched live in fusebox in dash
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FPND8162%2FCar_pics%2FDSCN3198.jpg&hash=1f0252a5123569e846cc09bb9d8fc0871232fd53)
If they are lighting up but not dimming, then the control modules are not getting a signal down the white wire properly. It needs to be joined to the wire coming from pin 10 on one of the headlight connectors (see above pic).
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Hi,
I connected white wires from both drl's to no 10 on car lighting block, as per you pic. I extended the white wire to the offside drl with heavier cable than supplied, all i could find in the shed, could this cause a problem. I have tested all the connections with a meter and all seems ok. need to perhaps disconnect each drl in turn and see if one of the modules is faulty, what would your thoughts be?
Thanks again,
Paul
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After 3 years, I ended up with a faulty connection / one dimmer module failing and the DRLs were permanently dimmed. As a result of this, I reconnected everything and tried wiring both DRLs off one module and they seem to work OK like that. I connected a single white wire to pin 10 and used one dimmer module. I just took a feed from each output wire going to one DRL and took them across to the other DRL.
You need to check that you are getting a voltage out of pin10 when the lights are on and also that using the original white wire, you are getting this voltage at the dimmer module end. If you the module is working, it should then output a reduced voltage to the DRL. You'll have to check each bit in turn and see where you get to.
If you think you've got a failed dimmer module, either contact where you got them from or try emailing this chap in Germany, they are the european distributors. That is assuming you've got the JOM product and it looks exactly the same as mine!
Heinrich Schüler <heinrich.schueler@jom.de>
Cheers
Paul.
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Hi,
Thanks for the advice, will check out what you suggest and ;et you know what happens
Paul
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Have you used scotchlocks? And have you tried use multimeter to test voltage/contunuity for good connections?
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Hi Martin,
yes scotchloks used as supplied in the kit, not got round to testing with a multimeter yet. Just been out tonight in the dark and the drls are way too bright! disconnected at the fusebox for now until i suss out what is wrong.
Paul
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Scotchlocks are not great and don't always give reliable connections. All my connections were soldered and wrapped in heatshrink - thanks again Darren! :drinking: I think what failed in the end on mine (after more than 3 years) was one of the connections in one of the inline fuse holders. They let moisture in so if you can, I'd wrap tape (or heatshrink) around each end of the fuse holders.
I'd say that your white wire isn't connected properly to the feed from pin10 on the headlight connector... Good luck!
Paul.
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Hi,
Problem solved !
Turns out that the white wire , number ten is the feed to main beam, so no wonder I wasn't getting any voltage when I turned on the sidelights! So I connected up to grey/black(?) number 12, which is the feed to the sidelights, now the drl's dim as soon as the side lights are turned on.
Couldn't get the connection block apart so had to stick a pin through the insulation to test for a voltage. As luck would have it the first wire I tried was the right one!
I can only assume that I was following instructions for GTI and not ED 30, the wiring must be different.....perhaps I should have mentioned this before?
Thanks for all your help and suggestions, and maybe this will help someone in the future who has the same problem.
Happy days!!
Paul.
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Hi Paul
Glad you got them sorted. I'm not aware of any wiring differences between GTI and Ed30 but if it works, it works!
Enjoy!
Paul.
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Hi Paul
Glad you got them sorted. I'm not aware of any wiring differences between GTI and Ed30 but if it works, it works!
Enjoy!
Paul.
hello paul good to see you back on here :happy2:
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Good morning guys.
Been reading with intrest these DRL and feel like the front of the car needs something. Can I ask those who
have very recenty brought some, where did you get them from. Seems to be a number on Ebay from Taiwan!!!
good work on the write up PND.
cheers all
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Hi
Resurrection of my old thread! Not sure where to buy them from these days but what about these?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-5-GTi-V-daytime-running-lights-DRL-new-/261597789313?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3ce8717c81
Even better as you get open grills. Might be worth a shot.
If you do find any of the Jom ones like in this thread, I have a spare set of the dimming modules and wiring available.
Good luck!
Paul.
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Paul
many thanks they do look good. I have also seen these below but always worry bout kit from that part of the world. Based in northern scotland I will have to install my self lol
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231497745041?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Hi
The ones I listed were from Germany so might be a better bet! If you need installation help locally, Scott (Golfman) is only in Dundee. He may be able to assist.
Good luck with your search!
Paul.
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Paul
Many thanks, deffo something to look into when inreturn from estonia with work. Dundee only 3 hrs so will look up golfman.
How are you finding yours?
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Ha! Mine were still on the GTI when I sold it last year when I got my R! When I put them on the GTI, it was in the early days of DRLs so not that many about at that time on any cars. Looked good and now of course I got a pair free with the R! Times change.
All the best.
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nice r mate--need pics
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I coded my fogs as DRL.
but found the HB4 bulbs way to bright kept getting flashed. :stupid:
So I bought some more fog lights off eBay (£15) sanded down the bulb holders and bought a stop light bulb holder off eBay (like skoda and new polos run as DRL) glued them into fogs light, wired them to ordinal loom using a plug again of eBay
Result....OEM looking not dazzerling DRL. :smiley:
I can't load photo I can't figure it out. Lol :fighting2:
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Well ordered some off the bay. Will have to get them fitted when I get back from estonia in a couple of months. Car electrics is not somthing I have done, so will have to get auto elect to do it.
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Time to bring up an old thread. Well just got back from Estonia ( Go there if you have never been as its outstanding). My "self professed" electrician buddy has kindly wired in my DRLs, the ones in the link below, however i think he has wired the live to a constant rather then a switched like i asked. The DRLs stay on when ignition off. Only noted after i got car home and into shade......bloody sun!!! Sadly for me not for him he is on his way to Egypt on holiday!!!!
I have checked and he has wired the live into Fuse box B by battery, position F6. Now not being an auto elect person and not owing a multimeter (yet) can anyone tll me if there are any available live SWITCHED positions in Fuse box B? If not then any available in the fuse box c on dash?
Cheers in advance :)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-5-GTi-V-daytime-running-lights-DRL-new-/261597789313?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3ce8717c81