MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: jimmyca69 on October 26, 2010, 12:17:54 pm
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Anyone owned both these cars?
Have narrowed my next car down to either of these but am leaning towards the GTI for following reasons.....
Better running costs
Higher quality interior
Steering Wheel :grin:
Already owned an ST
I test drove both last week, the GTI was standard but the ST has the bluefin stage 1 remap. The GTI although slower impressed me, i enjoyed the interior (leather, sat nav) and ride was good around town even with the 18" alloys. But the ST with its tuning potential, engine note and cheap parts is hanging on in there as an option.
Surely i can count on the members here to give a thoroughly objective view on the two cars :party:
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My ex had a ST and my GTI made it look silly! ST is a awful car! Go for a golf :happy2:
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I have a Golf and I am looking at swapping for an ST in the next few months..............i think. :surprised:
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I was surprised to find the gti could keep up with one after a few tet a tets on a road near here with an ST owner (not racing just freindly comparison I add :happy2:), although they are heavy beasts and the fuel consumption (and image) would kill it for me. Bet they sound better than the gti.
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I have driven one a 2010 model.
I personally didn't like it and found it very un-turbo like to drive.
I personally like Turbo cars but it was very linear.
I am a VW fan but needless to say I wouldn't buy one.
My ED30 is definitely a better drivers car whereas the Ford is a bit boring, and the torque steer! Echoes of 1980's RS Turbo.
I would however have my Subaru Impreza back tomorrow, and if it wasn't for the wife I would have a STI Spec D sitting in the drive!
Now thats a drivers car!
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My ED30 is definitely a better drivers car whereas the Ford is a bit boring, and the torque steer! Echoes of 1980's RS Turbo.
I would however have my Subaru Impreza back tomorrow, and if it wasn't for the wife I would have a STI Spec D sitting in the drive!
Now thats a drivers car!
Amen to that! My blobeye STi was amazing car and if it wasnt for my wife id still have it!
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My ex had a ST and my GTI made it look silly! ST is a awful car! Go for a golf :happy2:
Little harsh this, in what ways did it make it look silly? ST is not an awful car i can vouch for that.
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I played with 2 well modded and diff'd STs around Oulton when mine was St2+. I just had the legs in a straight line, corners I danced around them.
Still wouldn't call the ST a bad car though.
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I have had both, albeit i had an edition 30, the ST is a very good car, the big downsides of the ST for me are image and MPG, mine never really got above 19mpg :confused:
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I have had both, albeit i had an edition 30, the ST is a very good car, the big downsides of the ST for me are image and MPG, mine never really got above 19mpg :confused:
Same here, mpg would be slightly better than my sti was so worried about that. Plus you hear about so many ST's getting car jacked and stolen lately :surprised:
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I have had both, albeit i had an edition 30, the ST is a very good car, the big downsides of the ST for me are image and MPG, mine never really got above 19mpg :confused:
Same here, mpg would be slightly better than my sti was so worried about that. Plus you hear about so many ST's getting car jacked and stolen lately :surprised:
The GTI has also had a few cars stolen lately. Reported on here too. :sad1:
A couple of my workmates have/had ST's and I've driven a few too. No a bad car, but there are better options out there and the GTI is definitely one of them. The new ST is touted as having 250bhp, but I bet that will be just an ECU tweak.
Now an Edition 30 would definitely make an ST look slow, my old ED30 even made remapped RS's look slow :evilgrin:
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Never driven an ST but my mate has one and the GTI is far superior on the inside to the ST.
As for all this "tuning potential" I cant see what the difference is. You can still remap a GTI, change exhaust systems, add larger air intakes etc etc.
Mine has a FTB Miltek and sounds better than my mates ST so thats the sound argument out the window. Dont get me wrong, they are very nice, quick cars but I would choose the GTI all day long till the cows came home.
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I own a GTI and have rented an ST for a weekend. The ST was horrible and I would never own one.
I could go in to all the good and bad points of each, but I honestly can't be bothered to go through the long, long list of bad points of the ST.
I'm no GTI fanboy, but they are a million times better than an ST in my opinion
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Image does it for me. Then again due to image I'd never buy an sti hahaha
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Interesting argument this one. Plenty of people rate the GTI over the ST but having driven my mates ST Mountune I failed to see much difference in anything other than the cabin quality however I can see the MPG being an issue.
I've recently floated about on a ST forum and from looking on there the parts that have come up second hand are definitely cheaper than the equivalent GTI part and as for a GTI sounding better I'm not so sure.
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Interesting argument this one. Plenty of people rate the GTI over the ST but having driven my mates ST Mountune I failed to see much difference in anything other than the cabin quality however I can see the MPG being an issue.
I've recently floated about on a ST forum and from looking on there the parts that have come up second hand are definitely cheaper than the equivalent GTI part and as for a GTI sounding better I'm not so sure.
There isnt much difference between them, and IMO i have to question those that say the ST is terrible in comparison to the GTI :rolleye:
But along with interior quality and better fuel economy the GTI is generally better IMO. Standard vs Standard the ST wins on performance and noise though but thats easily rectified with mods if need be.
Aland with regards to Tuning potential i mentioned - a simple level 1 bluefin remap and the ST is on full boost and around 270bhp @ around 1370kg which is 197bhp/ton. The GTI at 1330kg would need around 263bhp to match it which would require quite a few mods. That was the kind of point i was making, not major issue but just trying to explain the point.
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had an ST and vRS. and there is no way a GTI would make it look silly. thats just plain badge snobbery. its a very good car, but with heavy fuel economy. getting above 25mpg was an achievment for me. i was more often than not below thast. whereas driving the vRS even at stage2+ i was in the mid 25s with no issues, with 30mpg+ at times.
i lved the ST tbh. the vRS was the better all rounder though.
Standard the St isnt actually that much faster than the vRS. maybe a little more punchy in the higher gears from low speed but thats about it.
The new ST is touted as having 250bhp, but I bet that will be just an ECU tweak.
iirc the new one has changed to a 2.0 litre engine so it is definitely more than an ECU tweak
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I'd have an ST if it had the same image & look of my Golf. I wouldnt say the quality was less on a focus just a bit cheaper "looking".
I had the original ST170 for 5 years before getting the golf which I've owned for 2 years. Hand on heart I think my old st would rinse my golf on sharp corners - it just felt a lot better balanced & grip was far better.
Obv straight line a whole different ball game!
Just my opinion - don't shoot :smiley:
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Interesting argument this one. Plenty of people rate the GTI over the ST but having driven my mates ST Mountune I failed to see much difference in anything other than the cabin quality however I can see the MPG being an issue.
I've recently floated about on a ST forum and from looking on there the parts that have come up second hand are definitely cheaper than the equivalent GTI part and as for a GTI sounding better I'm not so sure.
Aland with regards to Tuning potential i mentioned - a simple level 1 bluefin remap and the ST is on full boost and around 270bhp @ around 1370kg which is 197bhp/ton. The GTI at 1330kg would need around 263bhp to match it which would require quite a few mods. That was the kind of point i was making, not major issue but just trying to explain the point.
That's if they make 270bhp though, as from what I have seen, they make no where near that with SC software (244bhp from a 10 plate SC BF car at Motoscope RR day). Would it not be more fair to compare the ED30 seeing as they are a lot similar in power outputs? Oh and then there's the modding comparison again... :wink:
Totally agree that the ST is far from a bad car though. There wouldn't be that many on the road if they were that bad. God all rounder and does everything well (apart from be economical :surprised:)..
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FORD fixed or repaired daily :signLOL: i think there ok but gti looks so much better even in the looks department
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The new ST is touted as having 250bhp, but I bet that will be just an ECU tweak.
iirc the new one has changed to a 2.0 litre engine so it is definitely more than an ECU tweak
In that case there will be a much more even playing field on sound and mpg. Could be a good move for the ST. However the Cupra R would be the better choice from the ones you can still buy at similar price points. :smiley:
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Is it possible that my gti is abnormally quick for standard i.e iv got mods on it but not remaped so it carn't have gave me much gain.
i went with my mate and his dad this last weekend to go get his dads focus St remaped supposed to give him an extra 55 bhp and on the way back we both set off onto the motorway and i was expecting to get wasted and his car was a snail pace faster i could hardly tell the difference :confused:
i mean i was haveing a :jumpmove: and he was like :ashamed:
its a great car though and his re-map gave him launch control and activated his shift light. :happy2: and it sounds brilliant
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I dont like the driving position in Focus' seem very high. Give me a Golf anyday.