MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Sat Nav and Car Audio => Topic started by: rdfcpete on November 01, 2010, 01:15:46 pm
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Well chaps... Oopss is my first reaction.
I attempted to update to 2760 firmware on my RNS-510. I've no idea which spec/grade it is tbh but I'll check next time I open the dash up. I *think* it's probably a grade C.
Tried the update last night. All was going well up to 30% - this was the screen prior to the error reproducing;
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This was the actual error -
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Oh dear. That to me suggests that my unit doesn't support that version of firmware or perhaps the DVD I was writing from was a problem? Corrupt or half written file perhaps?
Not sure, but I'd love to pick everyone's brains.
What's it currently do when I turn it on? Well, I get the system is unable to startup - please insert SW disc, so at the moment it's totally out of action :confused:
All I'm looking to do is get it active again, don't mind which firmware version, don't mind losing anything on the hard drive :happy2:
Even if I put the factory release version back on, if possible, that would do me fine? If that's a feasible solution, I'll download it this afternoon and try and run it from that.
Beer tokens for anyone with some sound pointers :smiley:
Thanks.
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Press & hold setup mic & eject at the same time and the unit will power back on.
I'll get you a link for a different firmware.
EDIT- Here you go 2720 Link (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PIN99XBS)
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Topman :happy2:
Running the 2720 upgrade as we speak now that I'm home. Hopefully that puts it all back to normal, then I might leave it forever and just live with the Regensburg issue :indifferent:
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I was running 272X on mine and the regensburg would clear within about 2-5 secs so you should be ok.
Fingers crossed it works :happy2:
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Well?
Did it work or does your dash now have one of these in it :evilgrin:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.123rf.com%2F400wm%2F400%2F400%2Frtimages%2Frtimages0801%2Frtimages080100027%2F2373669.jpg&hash=721ecb1366f59245d37801eef12f9b6eafd92938)
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv394%2Frdfcpete%2FIMAG0194.jpg&hash=de1a0deca8dd6bb4d6648e248679394ea579ef75)
Carlos, you the man :happy2:
It demanded the Nav DVD on clicking Nav -> shall I hit it with the 6.1 maps DVD?
Thanks again fella, got a result here. I think I practically had a broken RNS for 24 hours :evilgrin:
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Yep just load 6.1 straight on. :happy2:
Glad it's all sorted.
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New problem with the Maps DVD. I didn't think it was going to be quite that easy :wink: :sad1:
Clicked Nav > RNS demanded the Nav CD > Put it the 6.1 jobby > It restarted (took ages, about a minute to restart) then presented me with this:
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I'm assuming my unit can't support FW later than 272x and maps later than 5.x?
I'm about to try the OEM maps 5.0 DVD so I've got maps of some sort at least to run the nav with :happy2:
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Turds. Even worse, it spat the OEM 5.0 maps DVD out 5 times. Prompted me to insert the navigation DVD again, read it for 10 seconds, then spat it out and prompted again for the right DVD x5.
Hmm. What's that mean? :confused:
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Have your discs been burnt correctly (good quality media, slowest burn speed possible)?
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Have your discs been burnt correctly (good quality media, slowest burn speed possible)?
Yup. Got two different discs from two different experienced members on the forum :happy2: I wouldn't suspect at this stage that the source is the problem. Fairly sure its my bloody unit, as the below suggests.
Massive problems now - Tried entering the 6.1 W/Eur maps CD when prompted and received this error after it rebooted itself and did a bit more work:
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I'm now greeted with this on powering on (can't get rid of the loop it's in):
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Next, it progresses to this screen:
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Then, this! :confused: :sad1:
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What the absolute truffle?
Help guys :ashamed: :signLOL:
**BTW I've got VCDS, is this gonna help at this stage?
Thanks
Pete.
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In absolute dire straights with this guys. Can I force a 'factory reset' at all? Clearly it cant load any images so it seems I've chuffed it quite seriously? :sad1:
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I've had that screen before, what f/w is on top of the unit, if its 1100 or lower then your best off getting a something like f/w 1300, also try going into vcds and activating adaptation 50 you can still do this while the unit is in this state.
Once that is done try holding the setup button while you press the on button, to try and get into the test menu, IF you can get into there go to the bottom and select the allow firmware downgrade,
If you cannot do the above try holding the setup mic and eject then place the new firmware disc in and see if it will do the update again with an older f/w disc.
Darren
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Pete.
Here is a link to 1300 firmware 1300 Clicky (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XKXPBOHG)
Only difference is it doesn't have facility for voice control. Otherwise pretty much the same.
If you get a downgrade error. Insert the disc, Press Setup, Mic & Eject and it should force the update.
Just incase your doing the process wrong this is how to do it.
1. Get in Car - Do not put key in ignition
2. Power up the RNS-510 without key in ignition
3. Insert your Firmware CD
4. Unit will restart and after a couple of minutes it will ask you to press OK - wait a couple more minutes and you will get another OK to press.
5. Leave the update to run for 50 minutes or so. Once it’s done eject the CD and reload maps from DVD.
HTH
Let me know how you get on :happy2:
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Darren + Carl, kind gents :drinking:
I've given up for today as I've fallen out of love with the RNS :grin:
I'll try both suggestions tomorrow- cheers :happy2:
My only concern is that all barring the Nav/Maps was working yesterday until I tried the maps again this lunchtime. It consistently kept ejecting the Maps DVD (after prompting for it) but on around genuinely the 25th attempt, it worked but then reproduced the conditions in my last two posts.
Is it right that the Map update process will have broken the Firmware? Surely that would mean I could find myself back in this loop again with the software error if so? :chicken:
Thanks.
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its possible the firmware didn't take in the first place, and just took its time to show i.e when you put the map disc in...
Just go through what carl has said with the 1300 and you should be fine.
Darren
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^ Hmm, I see. Cheers Daz.
Right, well I ended up putting 2720 back on tbh as it wouldn't upgrade the 1300 firmware DVD and just kept looping in the boot spool.
2720 is back on but all in German for some reason? Can I change the language? :ashamed:
When clicking the maps button, it still keeps demanding the Navigation CD, to which I enter it. 10 seconds later it ejects it asking for the Navigation DVD. I sat there and tried about 12 attempts before I realised it wouldn't have it. This was the OEM VW Western Europe 5.0 Maps DVD i was trying with.
I know I can't hit the 6.1 maps or I'll reproduce the problems before. I held the setup button on start up but it just took me to the Radio frequency screen, FM and AM as options. Can I work around this?
Thanks.
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Setup- Sprache should get you to the language menu.
Wish I could help with the rest :sad1:
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Thing is though with out the map disc you cannot change the language :sad1: I'm just wondering if you have a poorly dvd drive and its not reading the discs properly?
I do have a spare DVD drive you can have if you fancy swapping it out? it is very easy to do,
Darren
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^^^^^ That was my next suggestion.
However as you can not get to the test menu something is wrong somewhere as that firmware has the Test menu already enabled.
Do you have access to VCDS?
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Setup- Sprache should get you to the language menu.
Wish I could help with the rest :sad1:
Thanks, that did the trick but did also demand the Maps DVD as Daz mentions.
Thing is though with out the map disc you cannot change the language :sad1: I'm just wondering if you have a poorly dvd drive and its not reading the discs properly?
I do have a spare DVD drive you can have if you fancy swapping it out? it is very easy to do,
Darren
...As I just found out :grin: Well, as of 2 weeks ago it played a PAL UK Shrek 2 DVD happily, so unless problems have developed as of Mid October it's proven and tested?
What's involved to swap fella?
^^^^^ That was my next suggestion.
However as you can not get to the test menu something is wrong somewhere as that firmware has the Test menu already enabled.
Do you have access to VCDS?
How should the test menu be invoked again?
I've got VDCS 10.6, Rosstech lead and laptop waiting to pounce :happy2: ...
I'm at a stage now where all I require is the maps to be installed, then, in theory bobs your uncle. Can I enable the allow downgrade attribute via VCDS did one of you mention before chaps?
Ta!
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Yes
You need to enable the test menu in VCDS as follows
1. Go to Control Module Navigation - 37
2. Click on Adaptation - 10
3. Type 50 into the channel box.
4. Change the value from 0 to 1
5. Click on test and then press code
6. Exit out of VCDS.
7. Press <> and I to reboot the RNS 510.
8. Then press setup for about 20 to 30 seconds to enable the secret menu (just keep your finger on it it will go from normal menu to radio then after about 10-15 secs to the hidden menu)
Once in the test menu iirc its the very last sub menu that has an option to allow firmware downgrade :happy2:
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Yup. Worked a treat, cheers.
Problem now is that on demanding the maps, I inserted a DVD that I thought had the 6.1 maps on (it was the only DVD it read at point on demanding the maps - does that sound right if it is a FW DVD instead of the 6.1 maps?). That might explain the 2x downgrade errors now, that bit is totally my fault as it's not a labelled disc of any kind. It's one I stole of Jay in fact. I've PM'ed him to check what exactly was on it...
So now, I'm back at the VW splash welcome screen but with the red banner at the top and bottom, looking nasty.
How can I progress past this point back to use the RNS? This is my main stumbling block, not knowing the quick recoveries.
Each time I restart with <, > and i it doesn't power back up. When I turn it on, same horrible splash screen. I'm about ready to put a screw driver through its screen atm, little barsteward :fighting:
I know I can workaround this by reinstalling the 2720 firmware, but thats 50 minutes gone instantly. I'm sat in the car now, what should I hit (or smash :grin: ) to bring it back to where I was moments before I tried the suspected wrong DVD? That might explain quite a bit actually. The only thing is, it still doesn't read my two different map DVDs, one genuine and one burnt via Nero.
Thanks again :happy2:
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I know its no help now but easy way to tell the maps from the f/w disc is the amount of data burnt on the disc, the f/w data in terms of the amount it burns on the disc is roughly 1/2 inch, the maps takes most of the disc.
There is a fix disc to boot the unit back into life, its over on vwnavi.com unless carl has a quick link??
Darren
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^^^^^ I've spoken to Pete via PM to try a couple of things first. The SWL Recovery was going to be a last resort along with a HDD Format.
Anyway this is a link for the the SWL Recovery Disc - SWL Recovery (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FWMWU30A)
Burn to disc the same way as firmware and then press Setup, Mic & Eject to force a firmware upgrade and just run it the same as a firmware disc.
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2720 is back on now :happy2: All but the nav/maps/traffic therefore works now, plus its in German but that's not the end of the world :laugh:
Right, so DVD plays proper DVD discs at least as Mr Dreamworks knows the score;
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This is what happens when I put the Maps DVD in (genuine or copied);
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If I let it re-suck it in, so to speak, and leave it, it reproduce the error but doesn't re-eject the DVD. The screen doesn't change and I can't hear it being read (unless it's doing it very very quietly) + nothing changes or progresses.
So the now only remaining question and problem is how can I put these damn maps on? :smiley: As long as it's 5.0 or later, I don't mind whatsoever :happy2:
Cheers again for the input.
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I can give you a link to a Disc that will erase the map partition only. You could try that and see if it allows the install after that
Map Partition Erase Clicky (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6FSW1JEV)
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^ Thanks Carl.
The maps format disc ran okay but produced an error on restart, the usual downgrade error that I've had twice previously.
Restarted and sat inserting the maps 6.1 DVD several times as ever and on one occasion, actually got progress. The maps in the background (behind the insert maps DVD prompt) actually appeared, in Regensburg would you believe it :laugh:
It took an absolute age (about 30 minutes) but progressed no further. The DVD player was clicking in a pattern, but didn't sound like any proper reading was being done so I whipped it out to try and make progress and put it back in. Back in the same loop... Haven't tried the OEM maps DVD yet.
Half the battle is that everything is in German so I can't even make English sense of the prompts and errors :ashamed:
Should I be aiming to try a 6.0 maps DVD - something different at least?
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The map install disc will take around 45-50 minutes to install.
When you press eject you should be asked if you want to continue or be notified when the install is complete. There should also be a progress bar.
There would be no benefit really in trying a 6.0 disc as the mapping is the same it's just 6.1 has some bug fixes in it.
I would try the OEM disc first and then go from there.
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The problem is Carlos is that there's no prompt, status bar or inkling that it's up to much hence why I'm in this loop where I can't trigger the map install :confused:
I'll try the OEM maps disc this lunch but how best can I trigger it, via setup, via the maps button, or nav button? Being a rookie, I'm not sure on the best way to go about it so by following the on screen German prompts I'm not getting the feedback I need. It wears thin after a while using the tranzilla translator app on my HTC for every prompt :grin:
Cheers.
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Hi...
Ive read this thread with much interest.
Just had an RNS 510 (I think its a B version) fitted into my Golf GTD 140 DSG, '06, but an '07 model.
All works well except the battery drain issue. I remove a fuse to stop this.
Does anyone know if changing the firmware will cure the problem ?
If it does, which version of firmware I should install ?
Ive read conflicting posts on other sites/threads as to which firmware version fixes battery drain on B version RNS 510's.
Id rather not have to spend cash on a CAN bus gateway.
All advice/links welcome :)
TIA,
Mark.
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Depends on which version of the firmware is installed.
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Depends on which version of the firmware is installed.
How can I find out which firmware version I have installed ?
M.
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If you have the secret menu activated, you can do it through this - press and hold setup and it should cycle to the test menu. If not, you need someone with vcds to activate it.
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The problem is Carlos is that there's no prompt, status bar or inkling that it's up to much hence why I'm in this loop where I can't trigger the map install :confused:
I'll try the OEM maps disc this lunch but how best can I trigger it, via setup, via the maps button, or nav button? Being a rookie, I'm not sure on the best way to go about it so by following the on screen German prompts I'm not getting the feedback I need. It wears thin after a while using the tranzilla translator app on my HTC for every prompt :grin:
Cheers.
What should happen is you put the disc in, you get a prompt saying that navigation has to be stopped, press ok for that, then after a while (can be up to 5 mins) you get a prompt asking if you want to run from the disc or save to HDD, save the map data, from that point on it can take 45-50mins for the install.
Once it has gone past that point when you then press eject you will get the info on screen including the progress bar.
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^ Okay. Hmm, certainly not doing that for me.
I even did a video this time so I can show you guys what the process is while I'm sat in front of it so hopefully with the video interaction, you can point me in the right direction or advise what to do/what not to do. It's quite a boring video (only 10 mins long :laugh: ) but this is where I'm at, as said the stupid German language doesn't help me;
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv394%2Frdfcpete%2Fth_VIDEO0003.jpg&hash=df315760f2126fc6b2f7dc84ed5c9f2f41293ee9) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v394/rdfcpete/?action=view¤t=VIDEO0003.mp4)
The DVD player reads movie DVDs (Region2), reads firmware DVDs and plays music CD's. It just errors with my OEM 5.0 Maps DVD (VW labelled, came with the RNS), my copied 6.0 Maps DVD and copied 6.1 maps DVD.
Can I install the maps from a USB stick/drive or SD card, or, an alternate method?
Thanks again.
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Pete,
You can't install the maps from USB or SD Card.
You may be having difficulties as it is on Media and it might be thinking it's a CD your trying to play. Although it should recognise it's a Map Disc and auto switch.
Try pressing Map first and then putting the disc in and see what happens.
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I usually start the unit up leaving it on radio and once all started up put the disc in and it goes from there.
I still think its the DVD drive, it might read cd/dvd's but the map disc is laden with data information and if the laser is damaged in anyway it will not read the map disc.
Darren
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Pete,
You can't install the maps from USB or SD Card.
You may be having difficulties as it is on Media and it might be thinking it's a CD your trying to play. Although it should recognise it's a Map Disc and auto switch.
Try pressing Map first and then putting the disc in and see what happens.
:signLOL: I've tried it from every screen fella, believe you and me. I've clocked up about 15 hours now sat in the drivers seat :stupid:
I know in the vid its from the media screen, but surely it should spool the maps install from any screen? - Anyway none the less I've tried from all screens. Setup, Map and Nav were of the first that I tried.
Fair enough if it can only be invoked from DVD. I realise that was an optimistic question :sad1:
I'm really not sure how to progress chaps - any ideas if it was you? I'll try the load via maps & nav screens and vid that so you can see the response.
I usually start the unit up leaving it on radio and once all started up put the disc in and it goes from there.
I still think its the DVD drive, it might read cd/dvd's but the map disc is laden with data information and if the laser is damaged in anyway it will not read the map disc.
Darren
Think I've tried radio but will again just for piece of mind.
You and Carl may be right. If it is, can I replace just the DVD drive? It doesn't look like it comes out alone although saying that, I know you said earlier in the thread you've tried replacement drives before :happy2:
Cheers.
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You can replace the drive. Although if you not very Tech savvy i would get someone like Darren who knows what he is doing to do it for you.
It's "similar" to replacing a drive on a PC just a little more involved :happy2:
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There is 2 screw on the top and then once the top is off there is 2 more screws holding the drive in at the back...then its just a ribbon cable pull the drive out and install new one in reverse order.
Never actually changed one for a problem although my mate has due to the drive not reading original discs? I have stripped many down to fix other problems.
Darren
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^^^ Sounds easy enough Daz. I'm a Service Desk Engineer by trade, so the hardware side of it shouldn't be too much of an issue :smiley:
Tried a V7 maps disc today - exactly the same result. This one was read for a lot longer though and I could hear the DVD drive going mad and squizzing around. With the other discs I'd tried, it was distinctly quieter but takes around the same amount of time to error and eject them.
I'm at the conclusion now that it is the drive - how do I go about replacing it fella, bag one off ebay?
Thanks.
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I've tootled around for long enough now without the maps & nav working and I think I can safely conclude it's the DVD Drive that's faulting in some capacity. I tried a CD/DVD laser cleaning disc as a desperate last ditch attempt to take a step forwards, but needless to say I found it had 0 effect.
I think if I replace the DVD drive I'll be okay.
Would all knowledgeable parties agree? :happy2:
Once I've got it all functioning nicely I'm not attempting any updates or upgrades of any kind again :scared: :chicken: :laugh:
Thanks.
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I don't think you have any other avenues to try now mate.
I'd defo try changing the drive.
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Well, had two cracks at changing the drive.
On both occasions I've stripped the dash down, got to the RNS, taken it out then realised I don't have the correct Torx screw head for the security screws on the top :grin:
I think they're a T6 or T8 after picking Carls brains. Just thought I'd punch in an update as I'm hopefully on the home stretch now with this one. If it's not the DVD drive, I'll just have to save for another one :stupid: :wink:
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Just another thing that's come to mind, VCDS can normally tell you if there is a fault with the drive and IIRC you can test the drive too.
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^ I didn't realise that fella, but tbh, it's all it can be I suppose now so that may just confirm what we already suspect?
Just had another go as a friend dropped round T6 and T8 socket heads. You wouldn't believe it, but the T6 is too small with no grip in the screw head and the T8 is too big. Wonderful :laugh:
I also dropped a Torx screw into the quick clear screen 'gap' and couldn't reach it after about an hour trying to retrieve it :fighting: :fighting: :fighting: FFS.
Light was the issue after 5pm ish' anyway.
Assuming it's a T7 torx socket head I need from the trial and error applied, should that also not fit, where do I turn next?
There's some T screws down the side of the RNS510 that are T8 as the T8 screw socket fit nicely, but it's not the side I want to expose (at least I don't think it is, I'm guessing the whole process though here?).
Cheers
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Phew, glad that's all over :drinking:
So it turned out to be the DVD drive as some suspected, at least, in that the DVD drive Darren very kindly sent my way, my genuine Version 5 VW maps disc ran in that and re-installed the maps + Nav software and let me change the language from German to English. So it's fixed and I'm all singing and dancing again, just on old maps. TBH, I'll take that :happy2:
I'm such a pro at taking the dash out now with bubble wrap over the climate controls and RNS screen, I may get a part time job at VW on weekends :laugh:
So in conclusion, my DVD drive was faulty in not reading the genuine VW discs OR copied discs (all of them :sad1:) and my copied discs (all of them it would seem) are all either scratched beyond use, or unreadable for different reasons on good and working drives. We're talking four different DVD discs here, mostly Tesco (or similar brand) DVD-Rs burnt properly at low speed with verification.
What I'm going to try next is purchasing some expensive Sony (or similar) DVD-Rs and burn to these with the v6.1/v7 maps and try this. Perhaps the whole problem all along has been that my drive only reads top quality media and that the discs I have were basically not in a 'fit' state? (I think one of them is a DVD-RW too, which I understand isn't advised?) That's all I can put it down to.
Many thanks and several beer tokens to Carl, Stu and Darren for all the advice and info on tap :happy2: :drinking:
Certainly intend to meet you all at some point this year and there's a pint on me awaiting...
Cheers.
- Oh, and I managed to sort a problem with intermittent speaker switching to only the right and left speaker channels on the MDI channel. Bizarrely, the HDD and SD card functions played music on both speakers happily. This looked like it was a loose connection on the ISO adapter that connects with the back of the RNS510. When holding the RNS while wiggling the back of the ISO connection, it was switching and crossing from left speaker(s) to right, back to right, then both, then right, then left again etc... I did my best to feed the wires back in and put it back in gently, tested it and things seemed fine.
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Glad it's all sorted. :smiley:
Hopefully once you get a decent disc it will work :happy2:
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Glad your finally sorted Pete :happy2:
By the way my local VW are looking for a Saturday boy..........
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Glad it's all sorted. :smiley:
Hopefully once you get a decent disc it will work :happy2:
Thanks chief :happy2:
I'll post up once I've tried the posh discs.
Glad your finally sorted Pete :happy2:
By the way my local VW are looking for a Saturday boy..........
Ta mate.
...and jog on :booty: :P
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Glad its sorted Pete if you need a disc just let me know.
Darren
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Use Verbatim Pete :evilgrin:
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Use Verbatim Pete :evilgrin:
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^^ Why Verbatim > Sony then boys? :wink:
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Any decent disc should be fine. I now use TDK discs :happy2:
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All verbatim media tend to be regarded as high-quality, whereas sony discs can fall between high and average quality. You need to know the disc ID to be able to tell whether it's good or average media that's been used.
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I've always used Verbs for maximum compatibility Pete, not just for the RNS but for many devices which may be sensitive to type of media used.
There are others which can work such as some brands of RIDISC but Verbs really are your best bet.
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Verbs are good and I'd not use any thing else.
Darren