MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: kinny6699 on November 13, 2010, 11:24:24 am
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Hi, which car should I go for Option 1. 06 gti DSG 5dr with 52000miles with leather,parking sensors,18" wheels,sat-nav +3 owners...........or..........Option 2. 57 leon cupra with 23000miles with zenons,side skirts and rear spoiler,REVO stage 1 with switch +1 owner......both red both main dealer both 12500????? WHICH ONE
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GTI
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You need to find out the service history of the gti as at that milage apart from the usual servicing history, it should also have its dsg service @40k miles and a cambelt change.
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Yes the dsg service was done at 37000 and just had cambelt and water pump done.
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Yes the dsg service was done at 37000 and just had cambelt and water pump done.
In that case it's really the one you think personally suits you better.
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I had a similar quandry when I bought my GTI.
For me, the difference was in the quality and feel of the interior. I just preferred the look of the golf rather than the cupra.
The GTI is just such a nice place to be.
Both go and handle equally well - I think the cupra is a bit faster but the DSG on the VW makes up for that IMO.
Then there is a bit of a badge thing (to which I don't subscribe), but I recall a friend who had a cupra R. He got annoyed becoase everyone would say to him; "nice car, is it true that its a golf underneath?".
That said, I am told that the leon's hold their money better than GTI's - but I do struggle to believe that a bit as golfs have always had good residuals.
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Leon interior is a bit :sick:
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Ask on a GTI forum----------GTI :happy2:
Ask on a Cupra forum--------Cupra :wink:
I have no idea about Seats,think when it comes to resale,a Golf will always be a Golf :happy2:
A Cupra will always be a SEAT :grin:
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1. 06 gti DSG 5dr with 52000miles
2. 57 leon cupra with 23000miles
both red both main dealer both 12500?????
Based on the facts the golf does hold it's value better. 52K and few months older and still selling for the same price. However it really comes down down to you as I am sure Cupra owners will have valid arguements as to why you should get a Seat.
Best of luck :smiley:
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I had both (an 07 Leon FR and now a Ed 30) and for me the thing that spoilt the Leon for me was the interior, hence the switch to the Golf.
(Btw the FR interior bits that dissapoint on the FR are the same the Cupra).
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The interior in every Leon, or Seat come to think of it, I've ever been in just seems cheap and wrong. Don't get me wrong, there are some great cars like the Leon Cupra and Ibiza R's, but they all seem to give me the impression that the interior was an after thought?
JMO but you'll have for and against comments from both forums?
Get in both cars, drive both cars, check out insurance, Servicing Costs etc, etc and decide what ticks most of your boxes.
Good luck mate :happy2:
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most forums are biased, ive never had either, but have driven both. so ill give you my unbiased opinion.
GTI has a much better interior, IMO the leon looks much better. My problem is that every golf i come up near always looks like a GTI, until you see it has TDI on the back. Not distinct enough IMO.
personally in your position i would have the cupra. half the mileage and newer, with the k04 engine which is ALOT better than the k03 when it comes to tuning,
the main problem with the golf is your paying a surcharge for the badge( and maybe a better interior)
the curra has depreciated more, but comes with better brakes and a superior engine
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You've got to remember that the GTI comes with the k03 and the Cupra comes with the k04.... Thats 300bhp from a stage 1 map on the Cupra..
I had the same choice before I got the eddy and only chose the Golf over the Leon because of the interior in the Leon..
I had a mk4 Seat Ibiza Cupra before the golf, great little car :smiley:
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Save a bit and get an ed30 :driver:
I was driving a leon today after mapping it, it just didnt feel like a quality car, after all the interior is one of the most important aspect of a car, its what you look at and use whilst driving it (something the french dont understand) and although the Seat is a very good car you will always look at that awfull dashboard and wish you had the VW.
Other than the interior, i would have the leon for the simple fact its cheaper for big power.
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if your going to do it properly, get an S3
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Save a bit and get an ed30 :driver:
I was driving a leon today after mapping it, it just didnt feel like a quality car, after all the interior is one of the most important aspect of a car, its what you look at and use whilst driving it (something the french dont understand) and although the Seat is a very good car you will always look at that awfull dashboard and wish you had the VW.
Other than the interior, i would have the leon for the simple fact its cheaper for big power.
Thats what I did, save a little more and get a ED30 :evilgrin:
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Save a bit and get an ed30 :driver:
I was driving a leon today after mapping it, it just didnt feel like a quality car, after all the interior is one of the most important aspect of a car, its what you look at and use whilst driving it (something the french dont understand) and although the Seat is a very good car you will always look at that awfull dashboard and wish you had the VW.
Other than the interior, i would have the leon for the simple fact its cheaper for big power.
if the interior is one of the most important aspects of a car, buy audi, bmw etc, not a golf! as for the french comment!!! there about driving, thats what they do, i will worry about dashboards when im 70, back on topic, would have the cupra any day over the golf, my opinion.
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Cupra would be my choice from your selected vehicles. Your clearly looking at a sports car so, buy the quickest. If they both handle the same then the golf wouldn't even enter the equation, unless you really can save for an ED30? Who gives a rats arse about the interior when your bombing down a B road or smoking off the line at a traffic light grand prix? The interior is better in the golf but once your used to it, its just an interior IMO.
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Save a bit and get an ed30 :driver:
I was driving a leon today after mapping it, it just didnt feel like a quality car, after all the interior is one of the most important aspect of a car, its what you look at and use whilst driving it (something the french dont understand) and although the Seat is a very good car you will always look at that awfull dashboard and wish you had the VW.
Other than the interior, i would have the leon for the simple fact its cheaper for big power.
if the interior is one of the most important aspects of a car, buy audi, bmw etc, not a golf! as for the french comment!!! there about driving, thats what they do, i will worry about dashboards when im 70, back on topic, would have the cupra any day over the golf, my opinion.
I disagree, the s3 interior is very similar and no nicer imo and the 1 series doesn't compare. Very bland and very cheap. Different strokes for different folks but most of my driving time I just want a well built, nice interior and a car which eats up the miles. The cupra (and french) cars just don't do that part well enough. I'm sure on a perfect Sunday on a perfect road they may well be brilliant but I haven't had chance of a fun drive for about 6 weeks so the balance just doesn't work for me.
Ref the comment about golfs looking the same, I have to say I can barely see a difference between any leons apart from the K1. Wheels and exhaust, anything else different? The cupra is cheaper for a reason, drive both, speak to your friends and see what you think. Also, I'm sure you'll find the k03 more punchy that the k04 under normal conditions (without a remap of course)
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Would you decorate your living room in Black and white strips if you were a Sunderland fan?? :laugh:
If you can live with it whilst sat inside it, buy a Cupra.
As been said zillions of times. If you dont mind what the inside looks like of a car, buy the Spanish made Leon.
If you want German build and a Badge, get the VW.
Residuals i disagree with the comment of Seat's being stronger. They aernt!!.Thats why you can buy a newer Seat car for the same as an older VW Golf GTi.
Do the maths. :laugh:
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Save a bit and get an ed30 :driver:
I was driving a leon today after mapping it, it just didnt feel like a quality car, after all the interior is one of the most important aspect of a car, its what you look at and use whilst driving it (something the french dont understand) and although the Seat is a very good car you will always look at that awfull dashboard and wish you had the VW.
Other than the interior, i would have the leon for the simple fact its cheaper for big power.
if the interior is one of the most important aspects of a car, buy audi, bmw etc, not a golf! as for the french comment!!! there about driving, thats what they do, i will worry about dashboards when im 70, back on topic, would have the cupra any day over the golf, my opinion.
I already have a BMW and agree, that interior is fantastic compared to most but the golf is a close match to most audis when it comes to interior quality.
Personally I wouldnt want to own a french car as build quality and reliability is important to me as are cars that hold their value, but if you can look past the downfalls and shortcomings of french car manufacture then yes, they do drive well but just not my thing personally.
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I suppose i will be a little biased since i own a cupra but i'll give it a go,
current car Leon Cupra, so far lost £1500 in 15 months
previous A3 S Line TDi DSG lost £7500 in 24 months
and before that
Golf GT TDi with lots of toys inc leather lost £8250 in 36 months
Golf + A3 lost far more money and i would consider them not that stong on RV, the Leon is much better due to its lower cost price. I sold the Golf becuase it caused me back pain and the A3 was dull, dull dull and i hated DSG. The Cupra, i have no intention of selling it, its brilliant even the thirst for V power doesn't put me off. I did consider the GTi and amost got one, but for me it has to have cloth interior as the leather just looks cheap. Looks wise i prefer the leon, interior, well there are less squeeks in the leon compared to the golf and i actually prefer the dash in the leon, the door panels are a bit scratchy in the leon and genrelly the GOlf and A3 are finished slightly better, the A3 much better than the GOlf but the GOlf not much better than the Leon. If you were to compare the Mk6 Gti to the Leon then i would say its much nicer inside.
Given the coice all over again then i would pick the Leon again, I find it very comfortable, i like the looks and the dash and don't find the build quality that bad. The leon has had 1 fault and thats a broken CD, oh and its much better equipped, the Golf had the wheels replaced, a dash vent replaced and the convienience module replaced, the A3 had to have the door handle refixed twice and the BBS split rims went really mankey.
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there you go then, have to say, dont think a polo is any better built than a clio ( infact their naff) or a golf a megane, a golfs dash is nicer to look at yeah, as for residuals, good golfs hold their money, mk1, 2 and 5s, 3 and 4s no. passats,no, nothing to do with the badge. and having owned 10 french cars, one was a wrong en, mith mate, boring one at that.
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have to say having had a Mk1 1.6 Golf GTi on 80(yes Iam that old it was mint at 5 years with abarth wheels) plate the Mk5 is nothing to shout about and I have a new Mk5 GTi its nice but it does not give the same feeling against ( back in time Mk4/5cortina's) normal cars
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This is why posting questions like this on forums are so great, plenty of honest opinions some might be a touch biased, but a good mix all the same.
Like I said and like many others have, there are definate Pro's & Cons for Both and depending on what ticks the right boxes for you, will ultimately decide your choice. You're clearly unsure, so the best thing to do will be to drive both cars as many times as you can and work out what you want to spend your hard earned on?
Difficult decision I know, easy if your a Vw Golf fan or a Seat Leon fan. All I would say is definately dont listern to any advice from anyone who drives a French car!!!!!! The worst built, worst designed and cheaply made cars on the planet for years...........IMO :signLOL:
People that say they drive French cars for the driving experience confuse me, as surely the driving experince is the whole package?? Performance, Handling, Feel, Erganomics, etc etc??? :stupid:
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French cars can give you a bit of bother yes, electric windows, MAF issues, etc etc. But !!! (slightly off subject, sorry).......... I owned a Megane 2.0 DCI (M9R engine) Diesel, superb mpg and amazing performance even at stock. I had a remap (Pendle Performance) took it to just sub 200bhp/301lb/ft :party: still getting 48mpg combined ! Yes the gearbox was a bit loose, yes it had the odd rattle (so does my ED30), it wasnt perfect by any means but it was a great car, one of my favs' and I've had over 20 cars.
On topic...... I drove a Cupra (57 plate, 16k) last week (stock car). After my Staged ED30 if felt gutless (expected). The brakes are superb mind and front end feels lighter though the twisties, prob due to to lighter ally arms. Seats are comfortable and VERY supportive (better support than my ED seats), dash/interior is ok, not as nice as a Golf but no worries there.
Against a GTI (not ED30) and considering the mileage, ......... I would get the Cupra ! :happy2: :drinking:
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Drive both and see what you think. Personally I found the Cupra awful. The high windowline made it feel claustrophobic, every interface you have with the car is uncomfortable (seats, steering wheel and gearknob), the ride was back-breaking and the dash was just hideous. The steering wheel has a bizarre profile, where it's round at the top and bottom and square at the sides, making it feel weird as you feed it through your hands on bends. The ride was the deal breaker for me, though. The Cupra I drove made a cupped Renaultsport Clio feel like a Rolls Royce in comparison!
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This is why posting questions like this on forums are so great, plenty of honest opinions some might be a touch biased, but a good mix all the same.
Like I said and like many others have, there are definate Pro's & Cons for Both and depending on what ticks the right boxes for you, will ultimately decide your choice. You're clearly unsure, so the best thing to do will be to drive both cars as many times as you can and work out what you want to spend your hard earned on?
Difficult decision I know, easy if your a Vw Golf fan or a Seat Leon fan. All I would say is definately dont listern to any advice from anyone who drives a French car!!!!!! The worst built, worst designed and cheaply made cars on the planet for years...........IMO :signLOL:
People that say they drive French cars for the driving experience confuse me, as surely the driving experince is the whole package?? Performance, Handling, Feel, Erganomics, etc etc??? :stupid:
thats a classic, performance, handling and feel? not gonna lie mate, none are the golfs strong points! you talking about standard cars here? if so you have no idea what you are talking about. off topic now, so gonna end this. agree to disagree. again to original post, cupra for me is the better car, one has a badge that beastie boys used to wear.
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Ok I am no lover of French tat but after owning my Clio 182 for the last few months I have to say it's such a fun car to drive :driver: I have had the thing airborn a few times now and have never laught so much in a car,yes the thing is not the best built thing on the road but it's not bad at all and comes with lots of options from stock but for a fun back road blast it's such a funny car. Go look and see how much you can get a newish Clio cup 200 for 8k :surprised: go drive one then make your mind up and as for the cupra well too many fr and other Leon models around me with the full k1 kit on so spoils it a little
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Mat I don't believe for minute you would have a ko3 golf which is older over cupra. Agree though, I don't really like the cupra, but over the two he has asked about, no brainer.
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Would not have 03 over k04 but could fit k04 easy enough but if your doing that just get k04 to start with and get the ed30.
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This is simple save a little more and get an Ed30 best of both worlds.
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but then the ED30 doesn't have the nicest of interiors, the centre of the seats look good but the vinyl, sorry leather looks cheap. I too would consider the Clio as an alternative although i'm not sure i could bring myself to owning a renault - we have 3 at work and they are terrible for faults. The op needs to drive them both to see which is his preference, if money was no object then maybe the GOlf, if it was a bargin then the cupra, if its a case of saving up to get the ED30 then keep saving and buy an S3
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Thanks for all your opinions.......Like both cars and love the gti inside but the cupra looks better on the outside in my opinion..and the cupra is 16 months newer and well under half the milage with the 1 owner.The gti is a strong performer and very comfy for my 3 little uns....and the cupra is a little less refined but in a different league when it comes to performance but at 38 :innocent:a wife and kids how many times will I use all that extra grunt...got till tomorrow to let them know.....p/s sorry about my spellings
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21435.0.html what about that ? The other good thing with the cupra is the amount of people that think its a 3 door, they open the front door and look to tip the seat forward :) steering front xenons are very good too :)
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That is nice but I have a trade in (59 passat dti r line 16000)
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Out of the 2, Cupra for me... :happy2: