MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: big al on December 17, 2010, 04:11:31 pm
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Hi guys/Gals.
took my GTI for it's service in April, and they said that the brakes, pads, discs etc were all getting pretty low (car has just gone 60 000) and would need replacing at some point soon, so decided that rather than just get original ones then should take the leap and get an aftermarket set. Plus I am looking at a remap so the increased pads will help.
Not looking to run any spacers or anything, have seen some R32 ones, but open to any suggestions really, only have a small amount to spend though.
Thanks
Al
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i got the r32 set up when standard, went to stage 2+ and they have been more than powerful enough, if they ever feel like its not enough i would just get performance pads and disks when these need changing.
i got a very good deal on them too after a bit of haggling.
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How much are we talking for the full r32 setup?
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lot of info here
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21755.0.html
matsu
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i got a set that had done 4000 miles (front and rears), I didn't pay much but usually cost around 400-500, the front usually sell around 250-400.
keep your eye out on ebay and just offer some cheeky cash collected.
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Have spoken to a guy on ED38 who has some front ones, only done about 4000 miles and painted red too, Asking £350.
Is that a good deal, and also do you recommend front and rear, or would just fronts suffice?
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Have spoken to a guy on ED38 who has some front ones, only done about 4000 miles and painted red too, Asking £350.
Is that a good deal, and also do you recommend front and rear, or would just fronts suffice?
there are a few people on here who has done front and rear, i didnt because i dont plan on hard braking from higher speeds, i think the rears are used for good bias under hard braking.
i put SS hoses on the rear.
You will need R32 hoses too remember, they could be standard ones from a R32 (i uses standard ones) or SS ones.
Costs around £60 for powder coating red or i paid £30 and had them sanded and painted, id maybe offer that guy £300 and see what he says.
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Have spoken to a guy on ED38 who has some front ones, only done about 4000 miles and painted red too, Asking £350.
Is that a good deal, and also do you recommend front and rear, or would just fronts suffice?
I bought a front set "off of the bay" for 140 plus 15 delivery. Plenty of meat on the pads and discs are ok too. Calipers need painting though. They must be cupra ones as they are factory red.
Chris.
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speak to daveb, the NQSBBK is the way forward for a decent price! 4pot porsches look cool as hell upfront aswell. :wink:
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OK, decided on R32 or S3 brakes, not after IMMENSE braking power, just want an improvement,
But am now unsure if I should go for front or rear, which offers the best results?
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i think most people say fronts on everyday/normal use, and add the rears if you are driving mental or tracking it on a regular basis.
but what do i know lol :sad1:
ill just be adding the fronts esp as my GF says i drive like an old man :innocent:......... but thats wen she is in the car!! :evilgrin:
matsu
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I did front and rear with the R32/S3 setup along with grooved front discs and SS hoses all round. Excellent stopping power even with less than 100 miles under their belt. Feels like a good solid braking system, doesnt dive under hard braking with the rears, feels like the car is being pulled into the road!
Im impressed
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They work really well together, and as has been said, seems to pull the rear into line under heavy braking.
I was one of the first to fit S3 rears many many moons ago (early 2009) to my Ed30.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2113.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2113.0.html)
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Prob has something to do with the R32 rears only being 2mm smaller than the original GTi fronts!
Good VFM setup IMHO.
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R32 rears are vented vs GTI's solid too.
I'd say pick up some R32 fronts and get some decent pads and fluid, if it isn't going to see a track, that'll do you more than fine. Only other thing is the weight, if you can afford the Porker set up, you'll be shaving a lot off and it can be felt. Swings and roundabouts.
Never saw the need for the rears myself, and I was running serious big boys up front on track. Depends on how brave you are with the tail :laugh:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe123%2Frobertsm2006%2Falcons.jpg&hash=23692f65f91c7494052aa902c5f5e7b3d5ace856)
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fd122%2Fmat138l%2FDSCF0456.jpg&hash=9c545a44cae5eee2f350446d8accc1a07a9ba44b)
6 pots oh and wait for Hurdy with his 10 pots :signLOL:
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R32 rears are vented vs GTI's solid too.
Agreed, S3 is 310 x 22mm, uses the same pads, hoses as the Std rear set up on the GTI. The caliper is a wider version of the standard GTi version (to take into account the 10mm thicker disc - standard GTI is a 286 x 12mm disc)
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Matt, you fail until you do the tin o'veg test!
Best thing I ever bought for that car those brakes, I'd have them every single time.
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fd122%2Fmat138l%2FDSCF0456.jpg&hash=9c545a44cae5eee2f350446d8accc1a07a9ba44b)
6 pots oh and wait for Hurdy with his 10 pots :signLOL:
You mean these i have laying in my living room :xmassmiley: :drool:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi715.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2FTAROXbrakes002web.jpg&hash=88d3a1c74c243e149ad444fca0d132d7f9527ef9)
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Matt, you fail until you do the tin o'veg test!
Best thing I ever bought for that car those brakes, I'd have them every single time.
ok i will do a tin pic test :signLOL:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv211%2Fstokeballoon%2FIMG_0909.jpg&hash=07ead7349b889578d2c5c8f4e631e3dfcafef546)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv211%2Fstokeballoon%2FDSCF1464-1.jpg&hash=9ca7a6661f05fe1550fa8c9344f2f54cecb355db)
996TT brakes, with 355mm discs
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv211%2Fstokeballoon%2FIMG_0909.jpg&hash=07ead7349b889578d2c5c8f4e631e3dfcafef546)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv211%2Fstokeballoon%2FDSCF1464-1.jpg&hash=9ca7a6661f05fe1550fa8c9344f2f54cecb355db)
996TT brakes, with 355mm discs
very nice brake setup, but requiring spacers for std. rims right??
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With the Ed 30 Std Pescara they would need a spacer. The rim shown is a BBS VZ 8.0J with an ET44 offset. 3mm clearance at the caliper face, so no spacers needed.
The disc is actually taller than the Std Gti 312mm disc, so it takes the centre line of the disc closer to the track rod end.
The Standard Ed 30 rim is really restrictive, being 7.5" wide.
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Lol @ the willy waving :wink:
I feel inadaquate!
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This is my set up Al.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2F0909_09_z2010_bugatti_veyron_16_4_grand_sportbrakes.jpg&hash=2aa9e5eca3c0e125163146ed03a2ef5745872493)
But seeing as you just asked front or back for the R32 kit, i would defo go fronts. :xmassmiley:
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The FWD Golf does approx 80-85% of braking on the front, I was told by AP Racing. So front brakes are the most important.
As stokeballoon has posted, adding the S3/R32 vented rears noticeably make the whole hard braking experience feel incredibly well planted and stable. You have to completely rethink your braking distances or you then have to get back on the throttle to reach the corner or roundabout!
I'd much rather have powerful brakes and not need them, than need them and not have them. I've only needed them 3 or 4 times in emergency but phew!
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Crappy phone pics but here are my R32's
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft47%2FPOCLANDSCAPING%2FIMG_0625.jpg&hash=e0cf97060d25679ea9d44becbcd3446ccc53a66c)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft47%2FPOCLANDSCAPING%2FIMG_0614.jpg&hash=62b8313f239b4c44248ed86eccaaff0a9dd4b9d6)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft47%2FPOCLANDSCAPING%2FIMG_0613.jpg&hash=e8f2529357344f324ba7a03cab2da0d0b4c62f57)
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They look massive under 17s!! Dont you have the rotors on the wrong sides tho?
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They look massive under 17s!! Dont you have the rotors on the wrong sides tho?
Dunno, Ive always run the grooves that way, my understanding is that the direction of the grooves doesnt effect braking performance, its wether the veins are curved or straight that effects cooling?
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Not sure to be honest with you... i just thought that the slots should run the other way! (might be VERY wrong tho)
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They look massive under 17s!! Dont you have the rotors on the wrong sides tho?
Dunno, Ive always run the grooves that way? you rekon they are wrong?
....Not necessarily wrong - My AP's grooves orientate that way.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FOZ_closeup.jpg&hash=0e3a88d441f73d7de7b53854c44afe23364174a4)
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Sorry boys, edited my post while you were posting, bad form!
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I am with POC and RR, the grooves are there to peel the toplayer of the brake pad and the way they have them gives the grooves the best angle to clean the pads.
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its not the grooves its the vents in the disc you need to have the correct way
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i think someone should have a go at fitting these :ashamed:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1884858.htm
Unfortunately the offset on the bell is too much for the mk5 :sad1:
...however if a carbon ceramic setup from a Bentley comes up there mine..... :evilgrin:
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Could have new bells machined? Imagine those on the front of a gti!? Pretty good price too.
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its not the grooves its the vents in the disc you need to have the correct way
Then you have a problem buying the original Audi 395mm vented disc as they are directional buy you get 2 left's as a kit :stupid: And on top of that pay silly money for them. Imagine making a disc directional and then not make a left and right version. Maybe they ran out of developmentfunding after they had done the left side :laugh: :grin: :jumpmove: