MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: swine on December 17, 2010, 08:50:05 pm
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hey thinkin of taking the plunge into the world of gti, as the title says what would you guys recommend and anything to look out for when buying, thanks
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Firstly good choice! :happy2:
And as for transmission, dsg without a doubt. Best of both worlds!
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thanks
any issues with dsg reliability wise
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No problems with reliability. If your buying a high miler, Just make sure that the dsg service and oil change has been done (think it is 40,000 miles).
No probs if this has been done :happy2:
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Try both out. Not everyone likes the DSG so of possible test drive one of each to get a feel for which you'd prefer.
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Agree that you should test drive both and see what you prefer, Ive got a DSG but not too everyones liking, but i love it
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mines DSG, and in general don't like autos but i find the DSG fantastic, really is best of both worlds, but take as long test drive as you can, as it aint for every one :happy2:
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i have a dsg, i test drove an r32 with dsg before getting a gti, and it was fantastic, i dont like autos, but its so diffrent and so easy to drive with
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I love all this I don't like autos :laugh: well that's what your driving an auto box car :P I had dsg on Audi A3 and at first i was saying wow this is awesome but a few months down the line I hated it as you cant help but stick the car D mode most of the time :rolleye: don't get me wrong the auto box is good but it's just not for everyone. Test drive both simple
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Do your homework, look at the car's history, google the issues.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=dsg+problems (http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=dsg+problems)
Some will say 'best since sliced bread' etc, but it does not suit all. Most people I know with DSG have had problems along the way.
eg
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2830.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2830.0.html)
definitely make sure you have a DSG warranty.
Having driven both, I much prefer the manual, more involving for me, and my left leg is working just fine.
Now where is that Milltek or Blueflame thread!
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Funny how no body has mentioned the well known issue with DSG boxes (mechatronics failure ) As went at 12k miles and if it wasn't covered by warranty it would have been £980.
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Funny how no body has mentioned the well known issue with DSG boxes (mechatronics failure ) As went at 12k miles and if it wasn't covered by warranty it would have been £980.
Not in all cases, ive done 52k and still on my origonal, its the later 08 onwards seem to have the Mech's issues and rocking horse poo cases on 56-07 models.
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Funny how no body has mentioned the well known issue with DSG boxes (mechatronics failure ) As went at 12k miles and if it wasn't covered by warranty it would have been £980.
Not in all cases, ive done 52k and still on my origonal, its the later 08 onwards seem to have the Mech's issues and rocking horse poo cases on 56-07 models.
I don't know I have seen cases all over the year ranges, back to 54 plates
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Its more common on later plate cars . I Cant remember hardly anyone suffering with dsg mech probs on here with a 54-05-55-06-56.
I know Robin had one on his 05 when new, but run out of fingers when you add up people with later plate probs.
Perhaps start a Poll with if you have had a mechs unit replaced, what was the Reg of your car?
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The question you have to ask, is will you be prepared to pay for a replacement if it fails. I for one would not be, I would be looking for a warranty on the car whatever the age. Given the amount of reported DSG problems across the VAG range (all brands and models, all years) It would be a risk I for one would not be happy to take without warranty.
Just my opinion, great whilst in warranty, not so outside warranty.
At least with a manual if the clutch went, I would be happy to get under it and sort it myself. Agreed that is not the case with everyone.
I don't believe you can DIY the mech unit on the DSG.
Manual is more suited to both my driving and my DIY maintenance capabilities, and is known and well established technology in OEM and aftermarket circles.
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As above, I'm really happy with the Dsg on mine but I have warranty and when this runs out I either get more warranty or sell it, there's no way I'm fixing any Dsg issues out of my own pocket :sick:
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:happy2:
manual it is then, any other issues with the 2.0t
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I forgot what the senior tech said was the failure rate but 8% springs to mind is has ben a constant headache for VW , Mechatronics units are built then shipped to uk dealers as required.
He explained to me they are very complicated and as common faults occur the part is re engineered so all new box benefit from the earlier failures , I think its rather strange SS mentions the later cars are worse ,I aint arguing because mine is June 08.
I am very happy with the new Mechatronics unit and the service by Caffyns VW Portslade was out standing !!!!! .
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I am not saying that DSG is shyte, not at all.
What I am saying is that after you have done the research into the known and seemly far too common issues, and looked at your circumstances (ie can you afford to repair IF it goes wrong, can you justify and mitigate the risk) then take the plunge.
As a minimum, I would want a warranty, and have it in writing that the DSG gearbox and Mech unit are well and truly covered.
To say that it will be problem free is a bold statement, and I fear that statement would be a dear pill to swallow should it exhibit problems.
In a couple of years time, I would wager that there will a glut of DSG VAG equipped cars, that owners will not repair, due to the DSG units required costing a meaty %age of the cars value. Anyone to spend circa £900 on a £3K car?
Great tech, but until the reliability %age improves, it is great tech without a long term (beyond double figure years) sustainable future. IMO.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/honestjohn/7052786/DSG-gearbox-problem.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/honestjohn/7052786/DSG-gearbox-problem.html)
Americans warranty...... Not 100% but a step in the right direction.
Volkswagen Group of America Announces Customer Service Program
HERNDON, Va., Aug. 28 /PRNewswire/ -- Volkswagen Group of America, Inc. (VWGoA) today announced it would initiate a new customer service program to address concerns raised by its customers with certain Direct Shift Gearboxes (DSG(®)) in Volkswagen and Audi models, and to affirm its confidence in the sophisticated technology represented by those components.
"Safety, customer satisfaction, quality and long-term reliability are top priorities at Volkswagen and Audi. We have been studying the symptoms customers have reported, and are working closely with the NHTSA," said Stefan Jacoby, president and CEO, VWGoA. "We listened to our customers' concerns, and are taking action to address them. We are focused on taking all the appropriate actions to ensure the complete satisfaction of our existing customers."
This new comprehensive service program affects a limited number of model years 2007-2009 Volkswagens and Audis. Covered models are the Volkswagen R32, Jetta, Jetta SportWagen, GTI, Eos, as well as Audi A3 and TT.
Some customers have reported transmission performance issues under certain driving conditions. This was due to a faulty component inside the Mechatronic unit within a limited production range. VWGoA will repair or replace the components in the transmissions of approximately 43,000 Volkswagens and 10,300 Audis at no charge to the vehicles' owners. Additionally, VWGoA will reimburse customers who have had this repaired at their own expense.
The company has begun increasing the parts supply to expedite this customer service program. As the parts become available, owners of the affected vehicles will be contacted to schedule an appointment at their dealer. The company will make loaner vehicles available at no charge.
In the meantime, owners who may have experienced problems with their transmissions are requested to contact their dealers or the Audi/Volkswagen toll-free customer service numbers (see below).
This new customer service program is unrelated to a voluntary safety recall that VWGoA announced August 20. Under that recall, VWGoA is replacing a faulty temperature sensor in a separate and smaller group of vehicles. (The earlier action addresses a potential for a faulty temperature sensor to cause the transmission to shift into neutral while the vehicle is being driven.)
The company will extend its New Vehicle Limited Warranty to cover the DSG(® )transmissions affected by the customer service program and the voluntary safety recall. This extended warranty is for 10-years/100,000-miles, transferrable to subsequent owners.
VWGoA is confident these actions will address issues noted by owners of the affected Volkswagen and Audi models. The DSG(®) gearbox is an industry leading technology that combines the fuel economy of a manual gearshift with the automatic shifting capacity of an automatic transmission.
Customers who have questions or concerns should call the Volkswagen Loyalty Center at 1-800-444-8982 or the Audi Customer Relations Campaign Help Line at 1-800-253-AUDI (2834).
SOURCE Volkswagen Group of America, Inc.
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Its not only Vag cars suffer, Porsche cars also suffer the same.
A friend of mine has just had to offload her Porsche carrera 4s with the same fault, only difference is it would set her back 4k !! :surprised: