MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: snapey on February 22, 2009, 01:40:10 pm
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How do all, today went out to the shops and on the way home came to a set of lights are you do and pulled away with a few revs for a quick get away, wasn't by any means bouncing off the limiter etc and anyway the rev counter seriously shot to the red line quicker than normal so changed up and the same thing happened again, at the time I thought it was the wheels spinning but when i happened through 3rd I wondered what was going on, the revs eventually came back down and it pulled away as you'd expect.
After about 10 seconds I got the distinct smell of burning clutch and i mean really strong so pulled over to my delight it wouldn't come out of gear while trying to find neutral, managed to force it into neutral and got out and had a look around, couldn't seen any oil etc just the smell so got back in while the engine wasn't running and it all selected fine, turned the engine on and it wouldn't select any gear and eventually had to force it into gear to get it moving, when i say force it in i mean really push it.
There isn't any whining noises, rev's being erratic etc, it still pulls exactly the same but its just impossible to drive.
Its under warranty still and has only done 13k so does anyone have any idea what it could possibly be?
Can't help but think its well and truly shagged.
The car is 100% standard as well.
Luke
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It bares all the hall marks of a clutch gone i am afraid. What mods do you have.
I ask about the mods because if you dont have any then VW should cough up for the expensive new clutch. :smiley:
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nothing matey at all, I did go into vw the other month about an issue I felt was happening with 2nd gear being really notching so it's not the first time I have raised a transmission issue with them.
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nothing matey at all, I did go into vw the other month about an issue I felt was happening with 2nd gear being really notching so it's not the first time I have raised a transmission issue with them.
Happy days then. if you get my drift. VW should definitely replace under warranty. I would expect a little battle though as it is rare but not unheard of for clutches to go. :smiley:
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Thats one thing that makes me wonder because aren't there people on here running over 300 horses on a standard clutch and for this to go with a standard output and i bit of enthusiastic driving seems a bit strange.
Luke
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Thats one thing that makes me wonder because aren't there people on here running over 300 horses on a standard clutch and for this to go with a standard output and i bit of enthusiastic driving seems a bit strange.
Luke
For a clutch to go after 13000 miles you either wear a caliper on your left foot and ride it all the time, or you are the burn out king.
I dont know anything about the mechanics of a clutch, but yours sounds like it was badly adjusted from the word go. :smiley:
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I'm confident that VW will sort this out under warranty without any argument just as long as the fault is evident. And anyway, perhaps their diagnostics will see the fault logged. So unless you've got a particularly sh*te dealer, don't worry; And even then you can visit any VW dealer you wish.
Btw, I think you've missed the "k" off "as" in your sig: "People who as why, will never understand"
I assume it's like this Harley statement : -
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After how long of normal driving should a clutch go on this car?
My biting point is definitely a lot higher than when I first got the car but I have a feeling the clutch might go within the next six months.
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I've never rode the clutch right from day one after speaking to revo and them categorically stating that the only way to shag one of the clutches in the GTi, ED30, Cupra etc is to ride them and go over 350ish brake. I'm not a mental driver by any means and very rarely go wild with it unless a decent rode opens up but burnouts aren't my cup of tea lol.
Will wait and see but the dealer who I recently took it to for warranty work are sound but a bit of a trek away so the car may need to be towed as its pretty much impossible to drive safely.
Cheers for the heads up on the signature RR, much obliged.
Luke
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After how long of normal driving should a clutch go on this car?
....I stand to be corrected but I think that there isn't a service date that VW give for a clutch replacement on the Mk5. In other words, it should last well over 100k miles. But I stand to be corrected and how an individual driver uses the clutch will be a factor.
Another good reason to justify DSG imo.
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Will wait and see but the dealer who I recently took it to for warranty work are sound but a bit of a trek away so the car may need to be towed as its pretty much impossible to drive safely.
Cheers for the heads up on the signature RR, much obliged.
Luke
....You should be able to get your car piggy-backed to the dealer under VW Assist under warranty.
No prob on the sig, shall I send that Harley chick over to give you a good seeing-to for your error? :evilgrin:
I was also given a baseball cap with it embroidered on while over there - It's a great saying imo.
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Happy days then. if you get my drift. VW should definitely replace under warranty. I would expect a little battle though as it is rare but not unheard of for clutches to go. :smiley:
I'm sure too, that you'll get this sorted under warranty
As Top Cat says, problems with the dual mass flywheel clutches are not unheard of by any means on Golf Mk V's.
Googling "golf mk 5 dual mass clutch problem"
brings up quite a few similar stories :scared:
Print a few off and take them to your dealer as backup, just in case :happy2:
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Cheers for all the info chaps, will take it down to them tomorrow and get onto the phone to customer care.
Just wouldn't expect this sort of thing to happen to a 20K+ plus car which is over a year old, thats the most frustrating thing about it.
Luke
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Good luck ... and let us know how you get on :happy2:
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....I stand to be corrected but I think that there isn't a service date that VW give for a clutch replacement on the Mk5. In other words, it should last well over 100k miles. But I stand to be corrected and how an individual driver uses the clutch will be a factor.
Arf?
I thought clutches were one of those things that you replaced as they wore out? Like tyres? On my fiesta I replaced the clutch at 80k miles.
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....I stand to be corrected but I think that there isn't a service date that VW give for a clutch replacement on the Mk5. In other words, it should last well over 100k miles. But I stand to be corrected and how an individual driver uses the clutch will be a factor.
Arf?
I thought clutches were one of those things that you replaced as they wore out? Like tyres? On my fiesta I replaced the clutch at 80k miles.
....I did write: "I stand to be corrected". I can't find anything about clutches in the GTI Service Handbook and I've never needed a new clutch in driving various cars over 40 years.
Does the DSG box of tricks have a Dual Mass Flywheel?
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....I stand to be corrected but I think that there isn't a service date that VW give for a clutch replacement on the Mk5. In other words, it should last well over 100k miles. But I stand to be corrected and how an individual driver uses the clutch will be a factor.
Arf?
I thought clutches were one of those things that you replaced as they wore out? Like tyres? On my fiesta I replaced the clutch at 80k miles.
....I did write: "I stand to be corrected". I can't find anything about clutches in the GTI Service Handbook and I've never needed a new clutch in driving various cars over 40 years.
Does the DSG box of tricks have a Dual Mass Flywheel?
im sure it has robin, fault sounds like dual mass failure or clutch release bearing knackered.
Keep us informed what is found to be wrong snapey. :happy2:
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Starting to get quite concerned about this after looking through all of the information on the web it seems that the vast majority of people are having to end up paying for repairs....... really can't be doing with over a grands worth of repairs.
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Starting to get quite concerned about this after looking through all of the information on the web it seems that the vast majority of people are having to end up paying for repairs....... really can't be doing with over a grands worth of repairs.
You really should have nothing to worry about, but it would be wise to contact VW customer service, at the same time it arrives at the dealer for repair, and tell them how disappointed you are that your clutch appears to have failed after so few miles, you dont need to kick up a fuss until and if, they claim its down to incorrect use. :smiley:
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gutted for ya, good luck :happy2:
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gutted to hear snapey :sad:
sounds just like billyboys event at santa pod !
In the absence of a triggering event i.e. excessive slipping , it may point as Phil says to a sudden internal mech failure rather than a worn plate etc
VW should sort you out :happy2: as you arent remapped. But yes there a fair amount of clutch stories on the MkVs , and not just the remapped ED30 owners :grin:
I assume you are the first owner from new?
Good luck getting it replaced
[as a side note if you are considering a remap in the future , you may want to think about VWR for a new uprated clutch if you wanted to go outside the warranty route + an LSD for laughs :signLOL:]
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I'm the second owner of the car, the first owner was made redundant so couldn't afford to run it and all the rest that goes with it. But even saying that there were no signs of slip etc prior to it going and it still doesn't spill now, that was driving it back after I manged to get it into a gear.
Luke
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snapey
mine had never ever slipped, its APR stage 1, and had 19000 on the clock, i did 3 runs at santa pod with not a prob.
then i let my lad have a run, he run up the pod with his foot resting on the pedal, it whouldnt go into gear for at least an hour with the bonnet open to cool it down, it got us home and then ran for 2 weeks with notchy changes and stunk.
this is what VWR/racingline found
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so with it beening mapped and maybe more in the future i didnt want to go through it again so had an uprated sachs paddle fitted with eddy30 pressure plate.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi302.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fnn102%2F15billyboy%2FClutch3.jpg&hash=613d2434a4a3a8795a97894a357089d633f41b72)
mark farmer at VWR/racingline is a top bloke, if your thinking of going down the tuning route on standard parts it may happen again
billy
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Sounds like the exact same symptoms as what I have, If you don't mind I'll print this off and take it along and show them what to expect because there's no way with crack like that they can blame it on wear and tear.
Luke
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Sounds like the exact same symptoms as what I have, If you don't mind I'll print this off and take it along and show them what to expect because there's no way with crack like that they can blame it on wear and tear.
Luke
but they can say it was down to it being mapped, and driver abuse
billy
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Just got off the phone from the dealers and it's the flywheel and clutch which have gone. Both are being replaced under warranty their just waiting for the flywheel to come in stock which should take a couple of days. Again cant stress how well Gilder Volkswagen of Chesterfield have handled the case.
Luke
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Just got off the phone from the dealers and it's the flywheel and clutch which have gone. Both are being replaced under warranty their just waiting for the flywheel to come in stock which should take a couple of days. Again cant stress how well Gilder Volkswagen of Chesterfield have handled the case.
Luke
Thats good news, nice one :jumpmove:
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Good news! :happy2:
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good stuff snappy!! :happy2:
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Great news, any free of charge is "happy days " in my book.
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Cheers for the help as well lads, top bunch of blokes.
Luke
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I do love a happy ending :happy2:
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I do love a happy ending :happy2:
....Box of Kleenex? :evilgrin:
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foot long :grin:
Glad to hear it went ok :happy2:, be interesting to hear the reason for failure.
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Out of interest and if any of you know can there be any damage sustained to either side of the drive terrain from the two points? i.e. the crack and gearbox?
By the way I'm still waiting for the flywheel to come in and apparently there have been some changes to the flywheel itself from LUK and their apparently a 'far more reliable unit' in the dealer words.
Luke
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funny that I've recently learnt that the early 8P S3's 2007 had LUK clutches and there were issues, after that they changed to Sachs which are apparantly a better unit, not sure of the exact change over date though
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Got the car back the other day and all seems OK, seems a bit more 'notchy' between some gear changes but when it starts clunking I'll start to worry but the down side of it now is that its got to back in for more work, seems they've managed to cock something up when re-assembling the unit and every morning when its cranked over theres one hell of a whine coming from the alternator (sounds that area) so whether its the bearings or belt to tight god knows.
Thought I'd give you all an update.
Luke
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Its gone back in again today for checks but it turns out the whine is coming from the box. Any ideas what it sounds like it could be related to?
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sounds like there is not enough oil in the box or the clutch pack is fooked
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Thats fantastic, its just had a new clutch 200 miles ago, seems to be never ending with this car lol.
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is it a dsg box? does it only do it in park or doe it do it on the move?
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Its a manual, no it only does it from cold every morning, it'll only do it the once that day then you'll have to wait for the next one the catch the little critter again.
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thats not the clutch then if its a manual and the best way to hear it when cold would be to get a long metal bar and put it on top of the box and then put your ear on the top of the bar and get someone to start the car and then listen as the sound should go up the bar and gie you an idea. I would think to get vw to change the oil in the box as there could be some crap in there and then they could check for anything bad in the oil.
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Hope it all gets sorted Luke :happy2: