MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: nads1_uk on December 26, 2010, 12:08:05 pm
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First merry Christmas everyone!!
Just got in my car this morning and the airbag fault came up on the dash. I'm hoping this has been caused by the cold weather. Is there anything I can check or is there a way to reset it or can a reset only be done by a garage?
Cheers
Nads
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you can erase the fault code with vcds but it may come back if it's a hardware fault.
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Does your airbag icon in the dash display stay visible (with a 'ping') or only initially on systems startup check?
If it stays on, see a dealer, especially if still under warranty. Dunno if VCDS would tell you anything. < I just read bacillus' post - He knows more about VCDS than I do.
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VCDS will tell you which airbag is complaining :wink:
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VCDS will show an error to as where the problem had occured. The Classic fault on the mk5 is caused by the wiring under the seats for the airbag in the seat, and particularly with 3dr models as the seats are moved back and forth.
You can clear the error with VCDS, it might have just been a one off 'glitch'!
*damn you hedge and your concise repsonce* :wink:
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Sorry Rich :wink: :P
I had the airbag fault twice on my Octy and it was the wiring firstly on the passenger side and then on the drivers side about 2 weeks later.
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I had this problem.
And it was the drivers seat connector, it seems like a common problem. Easy fix, although you may need to unbolt the front of the seat for easy access. A bit if silicon grease should stop it happening again.
TonyZ
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The Classic fault on the mk5 is caused by the wiring under the seats for the airbag in the seat, and particularly with 3dr models as the seats are moved back and forth.
My mate had this on his Mk5 also, common fault.
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Does your airbag icon in the dash display stay visible (with a 'ping') or only initially on systems startup check?
If it stays on, see a dealer, especially if still under warranty. Dunno if VCDS would tell you anything. < I just read bacillus' post - He knows more about VCDS than I do.
Hi Robin
Yes it stays on with a ping so I guess it's a trip to the stealers.
Cheers for the advice fellas
Nads
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Does your airbag icon in the dash display stay visible (with a 'ping') or only initially on systems startup check?
If it stays on, see a dealer, especially if still under warranty. Dunno if VCDS would tell you anything. < I just read bacillus' post - He knows more about VCDS than I do.
Hi Robin
Yes it stays on with a ping so I guess it's a trip to the stealers.
Cheers for the advice fellas
Nads
....It might be as the others suggest and just a connector but if the icon stays lit then AFAIK it means that more than one airbag is not functional. My Recaro buckets don't have airbags, so the icon stays on only until the systems check is finished, hence displaying that the other airbags are connected and functional.
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All this sounds expensive does anyone know what the approx cost to fix would be? I know it it difficult to estimate but any thoughts would be appreciated. Unfortunately it's not in warranty
Cheers
Nads
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If there is an airbag fault it will stay lit and ping regardless. The airbag light always comes on with the ignition and takes a few seconds to go out.
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If it's just a wiring problem (under the seat for example)... It will be about 50 quid! If an actual airbag is at fault I'd imagine it will be a few hundred!
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Just had quick look under both front seats and the connectors seem sound I'm still hoping it's a glitch but hopefully going to take to the garage later in the week
Cheers for all the advice
Nads
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All this sounds expensive does anyone know what the approx cost to fix would be? I know it it difficult to estimate but any thoughts would be appreciated. Unfortunately it's not in warranty
....It's virtually impossible to know and just guesswork. The cost will depend entirely on what the fault is and how much work is involved in putting it right.
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Hi Fellas
Finally got my car into a garage, they ran some check and found it could be 1 of 3 times so rather than trying lots of things that could become expensive, they've recommended taking it in a dealer for a diagnostics check does anyone know the rough cost of this?
Cheers
Andy
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I think it's about £80.
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Cheers Stealth :happy2:
Andy
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My car is in the garage for the same thing as i type.
Mine is the drivers side seat airbag and is having the igniter replaced.
The technician told me that sometimes in cold weather the gas in the igniter loses pressure. If you have ever used an outdoor gas cooker when it's freezing you will know what i mean. This then alters the reistance sensor in the igniter (saying it's not at the correct pressure to inflate if needed) and brings up a fault.
Knowing i have VCDS he told me to do the following:
Take the car on a drive with the heater on full and the heated seats on (if you have them) for a good 15-20 mins. Then stop and clear the fault. If it then comes back straight away the problem is likely to be wiring. If it clears check the car the next morning and if the light returns then it is probably the fault i described above.
Depending on wether your in warranty or not a wiring fix will be around the £100 mark. An igniter is around the £300-400 mark (depending on which one) for the part only. You would have labour on top of that. Luckily my car still has a warranty till July.
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My car is in the garage for the same thing as i type.
Mine is the drivers side seat airbag and is having the igniter replaced.
The technician told me that sometimes in cold weather the gas in the igniter loses pressure. If you have ever used an outdoor gas cooker when it's freezing you will know what i mean. This then alters the reistance sensor in the igniter (saying it's not at the correct pressure to inflate if needed) and brings up a fault.
Knowing i have VCDS he told me to do the following:
Take the car on a drive with the heater on full and the heated seats on (if you have them) for a good 15-20 mins. Then stop and clear the fault. If it then comes back straight away the problem is likely to be wiring. If it clears check the car the next morning and if the light returns then it is probably the fault i described above.
Depending on wether your in warranty or not a wiring fix will be around the £100 mark. An igniter is around the £300-400 mark (depending on which one) for the part only. You would have labour on top of that. Luckily my car still has a warranty till July.
Cheers for that VRS CARL
When it was at my local garage they plugged something into the car, I assume this was VCDS and the fault was the drivers side crash sensor I believe.
They reset the fault and I drove the car home without the fault coming back, about 2 hours later I had to move the car and the fault came back. I rang them back and they suggested I take it to the dealers who hopefully would be able to find the fault easier. My local garage didn't want to try several things until they found it and the labour costs would be high.
This to me seems to be more than a wiring fault.
Andy
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If you can get the fault code off them you can put it in google to see what it is.
I would take it to a main dealer just because Local/indy garage fault code readers don't always give a code the dealer can understand. The dealer will just plug it into VAS and then follow the guided fault finding to correctly diagnose the problem.
Where are you located? If your near Salisbury i have VCDS and can scan it for you.
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If you can get the fault code off them you can put it in google to see what it is.
I would take it to a main dealer just because Local/indy garage fault code readers don't always give a code the dealer can understand. The dealer will just plug it into VAS and then follow the guided fault finding to correctly diagnose the problem.
Where are you located? If your near Salisbury i have VCDS and can scan it for you.
Cheers for the offer mate but I'm in north east :sad1:
I've got the print out from the machine, I'll see if its got a fault code
Thanks again
Andy
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I've just found the print out;
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftt107%2Fnads1_uk%2FFaultCode.jpg&hash=6878a847a66ba90c06d6a4d24326411c6ef3aaa4)
Does anyone have any ideas??
Cheers
Andy
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http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01221
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That code has the following:
01221 - Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
01221 - Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179): Faulty
01221 - Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179): Open Circuit / Short to Plus
Possible Symptoms
Airbag Warning Light ON
Possible Causes
Wiring/Connections between Airbag Control Module (J234) and Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) faulty
Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) faulty
Airbag Control Module (J234) faulty
Possible Solutions
Check Wiring/Connections between Airbag Control Module (J234) and Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
Replace Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
Replace Airbag Control Module (J234)
01221 - Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179): No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
Possible Symptoms
Airbag Warning Light ON
Possible Causes
Wrong Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) installed
Possible Solutions
Install correct Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
Special Notes
The Crash Sensors can be checked by using the control module identification and the measuring blocks.
Address 15: Airbags
Controller: 1T0 909 605
Component: 05 AIRBAG VW62 0506 2112
Coding: 0012341
The 0506 in this example stands for the required Crash Sensor ID, the first 2 digits (05) apply for the front crash sensors, while the second 2 digits (06) apply for the rear crash sensors. The ID of the currently installed Crash Sensors can be determined by checking Measuring Value Block (MVB) 009.
01221 - Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179): Implausible Signal
Possible Symptoms
Airbag Warning Light ON
Possible Causes
Wrong/Incompatible Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) installed
Wiring/Connections between Airbag Control Module (J234) and Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) faulty
Possible Solutions
Check Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) Part Number
Install correct Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
Check Wiring/Connections between Airbag Control Module (J234) and Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
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http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01221
What i posted is from that link :laugh: :laugh:
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That code has the following:
01221 - Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
01221 - Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179): Faulty
01221 - Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179): Open Circuit / Short to Plus
Possible Symptoms
Airbag Warning Light ON
Possible Causes
Wiring/Connections between Airbag Control Module (J234) and Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) faulty
Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) faulty
Airbag Control Module (J234) faulty
Possible Solutions
Check Wiring/Connections between Airbag Control Module (J234) and Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
Replace Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
Replace Airbag Control Module (J234)
01221 - Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179): No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation
Possible Symptoms
Airbag Warning Light ON
Possible Causes
Wrong Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) installed
Possible Solutions
Install correct Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
Special Notes
The Crash Sensors can be checked by using the control module identification and the measuring blocks.
Address 15: Airbags
Controller: 1T0 909 605
Component: 05 AIRBAG VW62 0506 2112
Coding: 0012341
The 0506 in this example stands for the required Crash Sensor ID, the first 2 digits (05) apply for the front crash sensors, while the second 2 digits (06) apply for the rear crash sensors. The ID of the currently installed Crash Sensors can be determined by checking Measuring Value Block (MVB) 009.
01221 - Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179): Implausible Signal
Possible Symptoms
Airbag Warning Light ON
Possible Causes
Wrong/Incompatible Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) installed
Wiring/Connections between Airbag Control Module (J234) and Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) faulty
Possible Solutions
Check Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179) Part Number
Install correct Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
Check Wiring/Connections between Airbag Control Module (J234) and Crash Sensor Side Airbag; Driver Side (G179)
Cheers Carl you're a legend! :notworthy:
My car is out of warranty - :sad1:
What would you suggest let the dealers have a look and see what they come back with?
Do you have any idea what the worst case costs would be?
Is there anything I can check that might be simple to do?
Cheers
Andy
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It depends how mech & tech minded you are.
If your happy with the location of everything and removal of seats/trim then yes by all means check the wiring in the areas highlighted above.
If not then just take it to a dealer. you may get charged a diagnosis fee, prob around 1/2 hour labour, this is what my dealer would usually charge but i have VCDS. That would just be for them to tell you what the problem is without doing anything about it.
But as i said the dealer will be able to follow the guided fault finding they have and from that they would be able to give you an idea of cost.
Worst case scenario i would say £600. Thats if you needed all new wiring, Igniters and labour on top. I would be surprised if it was both wiring and hardware.
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Hi Carl
Cheers for all the advice I'll get it booked into the dealers and let you know how I get on.
Andy