MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Mandy on January 13, 2011, 09:41:52 am
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Like a few others on here, I have that knocking noise when steering round corners and when reversing on almost full lock.
Been to the dealers time and time again with no luck to the strange problem.
See this on ECS Tuning and wondered if this would really cure it?
Subframe Spacer Plates (http://www.ecstuning.com/ES2102460/?utm_source=emailcampaign&utm_medium=marketing&utm_content=retail&utm_campaign=ES2102460)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fae36%2Fmandy71185%2Fsubframe.jpg&hash=d134a30bbddc9659a019a2491775daabf1454ffc)
The subframe knock issue is common amongst the Golf & Jetta V and the Passat B6. If you have taken your vehicle to the dealership but they have not been able to solve the problem, here is your solution.
These bolts and spaces replace the stock bolts that connect your subframe. Over time, the stock bolts stretch and allow slop in the front subframe. Replacing your stock units with identical replacements will only delay the issue and it will reappear after the replacements stretch. Use these Genuine VW/Audi replacement bolts to tighten everything in the front end back up.
Some individuals think that because the stock bolts are designed to break in a front end collision, they should not be replaced. VW of American has since put out a technical service bulletin to dispell these rumours and replace stock bolts with these units.
Look at the instructional video located on this page to get a better understanding about the installation of this kit.
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i thought there was a steering related recall on the mk5 gti's, something to do with knocking, but maybe im talking sh*te! :rolleye:
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Good find, Are these VW parts?
If so does anyone the part numbers?
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Mandy, just out of interest, can you tell me how much tread you have on the front tyres.
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Mandy, just out of interest, can you tell me how much tread you have on the front tyres.
Is that a euphemism for something? :surprised: :laugh:
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:congrats: lmao at the hedge!!!!! class!!!
matsu
edit - is someone gonna do an en masse buy to save on postage lol... i,m in :innocent:
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On ecs website it says the parts are Genuine VW/Audi, So may ba able to buy them from the dealer if we can get the part numbers?
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Yes they are genuine parts but I bet VW in UK won't do these.
I think I read somewhere that genuine Audi bolts are very simlar to these though (I could be wrong).
edit - is someone gonna do an en masse buy to save on postage lol... i,m in :innocent:
Go for it Matsu... :laugh:
Mandy, just out of interest, can you tell me how much tread you have on the front tyres.
Dom, I'm not sure but my Vreds have covered about 4k miles.
What is the relevance?? :confused:
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Reason I ask is that if you have little tread left I.e. less that 2mm and are running on different springs/coilovers it can affect the geometry to such an extent that one of the wheels will crab across the road on hard lock at low speed. So an entirely harmless question I can assure you :smiley:
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Oh I see... my car is all standard so prob can't be that. :rolleye:
Thanks for explaining though. :happy2:
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I'm going to try my dealer tomorrow - apparently the part numbers are:
Bolt N90823501
Shim 7M3499349A
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Let us know how you get on what price you get them for?
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Retail Prices are:
Bolt N90823501 - Doesnt come up.
Shim 7M3499349A - £1.65 + vat each
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Retail Prices are:
Bolt N90823501 - Doesnt come up.
Shim 7M3499349A - £1.65 + vat each
........maybe try Audi for the bolts as posted above ?. :happy2:
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Bolt size is M12x1.5x110 if it helps.
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Mandy,
If I were in your position, I would pop back to VW with the video from ECS and ask them to have a look at the subframe movement.
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i thought there was a steering related recall on the mk5 gti's, something to do with knocking, but maybe im talking sh*te! :rolleye:
I've heard this too, never been able to work out if this was official or not though. Anyone confirm?
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i thought there was a steering related recall on the mk5 gti's, something to do with knocking, but maybe im talking sh*te! :rolleye:
I've heard this too, never been able to work out if this was official or not though. Anyone confirm?
VW replaced the steering racks on the affected cars...
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Retail Prices are:
Bolt N90823501 - Doesnt come up.
Shim 7M3499349A - £1.65 + vat each
The part numbers are recognised at my local Audi dealer, and I've ordered the parts. When I receive the parts, I'll return and advise if the parts are correct or not.
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i thought there was a steering related recall on the mk5 gti's, something to do with knocking, but maybe im talking sh*te! :rolleye:
I've heard this too, never been able to work out if this was official or not though. Anyone confirm?
VW replaced the steering racks on the affected cars...
Under warranty?
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Retail Prices are:
Bolt N90823501 - Doesnt come up.
Shim 7M3499349A - £1.65 + vat each
The part numbers are recognised at my local Audi dealer, and I've ordered the parts. When I receive the parts, I'll return and advise if the parts are correct or not.
I got a feeling the bolts on ECS are just the Audi ones, so I'd guess we could just buy them from an Audi dealer using the above part numbers. Prob work out cheaper than having them sent from the US, less time consuming too. :smiley:
Be interesting to see if they are the right parts when yours arrive... :popcornsoda:
Mandy,
If I were in your position, I would pop back to VW with the video from ECS and ask them to have a look at the subframe movement.
Good idea, I don't know if they'd care much, but I might do it just to prove that I wasn't making it up (which they think I was) when I told them I had a steering noise over and over again... :signLOL:
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http://nateronline.com/Technical_Bulletins/2007.04.02_front_suspension_knocking_noise_ALL.pdf
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Reason I ask is that if you have little tread left I.e. less that 2mm and are running on different springs/coilovers it can affect the geometry to such an extent that one of the wheels will crab across the road on hard lock at low speed. So an entirely harmless question I can assure you :smiley:
This is interesting - at the weekend I drove slowly out of a parking space and heard a clunking noise for the first time ever. I thought "uh oh, what on earth was that" - it did it about 5 more times during the journey. It sounded like it came from the front left hand side somewhere...
I find your statment of interest as I know the tread on my front offside tyre is running a little low, and a couple of months ago I had the front nearside suspension arm replaced with a non VW part. Could this be the reason why the clunking has started? Is it something I can ignore and no harm will come of it?
Cheers
Em
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I have collected the parts from my Audi dealer, and they appear to be identical to those shown in the first picture of this thread.
The bolts are apparently A3, and the spacers from a Passat.
For confirmation, the part numbers are:
N 908 235 01 - BOLT
7M3 499 349 A - PLATE
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The actual spacer is used on all 2011 1.4/2.0 and 3.6 petrol and also 1.6/2.0 diesels cars...and also original used on the Sharan from 2000?
Darren
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alackofspeed,
Can you stick the prices up as well for me please?
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alackofspeed,
Can you stick the prices up as well for me please?
Bolt - £2.09
Plate - £1.65
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http://nateronline.com/Technical_Bulletins/2007.04.02_front_suspension_knocking_noise_ALL.pdf
My car's gone in today for an MOT and DSG service so I've printed a copy of the above Technical Bulletin and taken it to the dealers too.
They told me it's not a bulletin that they recognise (or heard of) on their system, probably because it's from VW America. They told me they will have a look into it anyway and see what could be done.
They also reminded me that my warranty had run out 5 days ago and so might not be honoured :fighting:. But I pointed out that I raised this issue many times whilst the car was in warranty... Have to wait and see what happens now... :popcornsoda:
They have ordered me the bolts and spacers, they said the VW part numbers were slightly different to the ones mentioned above but they managed to get them anyway.
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http://nateronline.com/Technical_Bulletins/2007.04.02_front_suspension_knocking_noise_ALL.pdf
My car's gone in today for an MOT and DSG service so I've printed a copy of the above Technical Bulletin and taken it to the dealers too.
They told me it's not a bulletin that they recognise (or heard of) on their system, probably because it's from VW America. They told me they will have a look into it anyway and see what could be done.
They also reminded me that my warranty had run out 5 days ago and so might not be honoured :fighting:. But I pointed out that I raised this issue many times whilst the car was in warranty... Have to wait and see what happens now... :popcornsoda:
They have ordered me the bolts and spacers, they said the VW part numbers were slightly different to the ones mentioned above but they managed to get them anyway.
Good Luck with it :happy2: Hope the Dealer see's since and does it under warranty :popcornsoda:
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Hopefully the give you some paperwork with the VW part numbers on it to share with us loverly lot :grin: because i have a VW dealer less than a mile from my work but the closest Audi is over 10 miles away. :sad1:
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I've got my car back...
Had to pay £193.88 in total, £54.85 MOT, £130 DSG service, so I had to pay about £9 for the 2 bolts and 2 spacers.
They said VW UK didn't recognise the bulletin and car is out of warranty so that's why I had to pay for the parts, got the labour free of charge as goodwill.
Looking at the invoice, part numbers are identical to the ones above, prices are the same too.
Hope this helps. :happy2:
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Did it fix the graunching noise from the steering rack? Or, have I missed the point?
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Did it fix the graunching noise from the steering rack? Or, have I missed the point?
This fix as I understand things (and is why I bought the components) is meant to be a solution to the very slight subframe movement relative to the monocoque which manifests as a knock heard in the cabin. The graunching noise, as I understand things is normally rack or top mount related.
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I have yet to find out if it has totally solved the knocking noise. Only driven for a short while today and all seemed ok but will have to drive it more to see if it has been solved for definite.
I've previously had top mount and road springs changed, all suspension including cv joint etc checked a number of times with no probs found at all. These things didn't solve the issue so be interesting to see if replacing the bolts/spacers works.
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i thought there was a steering related recall on the mk5 gti's, something to do with knocking, but maybe im talking sh*te! :rolleye:
I've heard this too, never been able to work out if this was official or not though. Anyone confirm?
VW replaced the steering racks on the affected cars...
Under warranty?
As Nick says, does this only apply if the vehicle is under the VW used car warranty?
Ta :happy2:
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:popcornsoda:
Sorry guys
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Any update Mandy, has ya knocking gone away??? :smiley:
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:popcornsoda:
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So far, so good. :happy2:
Well it's been over a week or so, thrown the car round a few corners left and right etc to test, haven't heard the knocking. :driver:
I wonder if it really has been solved by something so simple. :pomppomp:
Well worth giving a go if you're considering it, parts cost under a tenner. :smiley:
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Mine has disappeared aswell, changed the lower ball joint when I changed the cv gaitor, and my clunk/clink has gone too :confused:
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So far, so good. :happy2:
Well it's been over a week or so, thrown the car round a few corners left and right etc to test, haven't heard the knocking. :driver:
I wonder if it really has been solved by something so simple. :pomppomp:
Well worth giving a go if you're considering it, parts cost under a tenner. :smiley:
Decent feedback, thanks Mandy.
Who fitted the parts out of interest?
I was thinking of taking it to my local dealer and saying "I have that steering problem, can you please address it", but, can I do it confidently or was the recall stuff not applicable to all Mk5 GTI's?
If I'm going to do it, I want to do it confidently with the right info :happy2:
Mine has disappeared aswell, changed the lower ball joint when I changed the cv gaitor, and my clunk/clink has gone too :confused:
Maybe I missed it, but did you not replace the Subframe Spacer Plates Steve?
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I watched the video of the noise on the ECS site, Do you guys only get it when going straight or is it just turning corners?
I get the grinding noise when turning corners at low speed, but have been told that the cause is the steering column grinding due to the car being lowered.
Think I may try this anyway though.
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Mine does it on full lock in reverse and going forward.I get a knocking/click noise coming from the front left of the car.
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So far, so good. :happy2:
Well it's been over a week or so, thrown the car round a few corners left and right etc to test, haven't heard the knocking. :driver:
I wonder if it really has been solved by something so simple. :pomppomp:
Well worth giving a go if you're considering it, parts cost under a tenner. :smiley:
Decent feedback, thanks Mandy.
Who fitted the parts out of interest?
I was thinking of taking it to my local dealer and saying "I have that steering problem, can you please address it", but, can I do it confidently or was the recall stuff not applicable to all Mk5 GTI's?
If I'm going to do it, I want to do it confidently with the right info :happy2:
Mine has disappeared aswell, changed the lower ball joint when I changed the cv gaitor, and my clunk/clink has gone too :confused:
Maybe I missed it, but did you not replace the Subframe Spacer Plates Steve?
No , i havent replaced them , just the cv gaitor and lower ball joint. Between myself and vRStu.
I HAVENT changed my bolts and spacers. Thats why its confusing into whats doing this.
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I believe that we may be mixing two issues here.
1) There is the graunching sound that some of us occasionally hear on full lock and at slow speed. As far as I know this was never part of a recall, it was deemed as a "convienience issue" (whatever that is, and VW did not feel the need to replace them out. However, I do know on here some people successfully got their steering racks replaced under warranty to fix the noise. There is no loss of function, it is I believe just a pain in the bottom.
2) I dont think this is what Mandy (OP) originally describes, and Mandy talks of driving at speed. I have never heard this knocking/ popping/clicking sound.
Can we be clear which "condition" we are talking about please, if these parts fix the inconvienience of the "convienience issue" then its certainly worth a punt for those of us who occasionally hear this graunching at very slow speeds.
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Yes, the noise seem to occur when turning left or right into sharp corners, almost 90 degree corners. It's just a quick pop/click, not long lasting. Would happen almost everytime if going into a sharpish corner with a bit of speed, not really at low speeds. Although, when I'm reversing uphill off my drive on almost full lock it would sometimes do it too :confused:, obviously I don't reverse at speed! :driver:
I have had all the suspension and wheels etc checked many times and fine each time, also been told that it's not the steering rack. That's why I thought I'd try these spacers/bolts as it seems like all the obvious things have been ruled out.
Well it seems to have cured it for now, just hoping it doesn't come back... :smiley: