MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: garrardrj on January 25, 2011, 06:51:27 pm
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Is there such a MK 5 car modded to perform as an ED30? Any links to such cars most welcome
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Well id imagine that a stage 2 170PD wouldnt be far off the pace of a standard Ed30
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i can see where this is going, sick of spending £100 a week on v power :signLOL: even fast diesels are boring to drive, but i think i will buy one next as an everyday car :sad1:
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It is becoming a problem very quickly! A friend bough a brand new Clio RS200 1 month ago, its already up on pistonheads after spending £680 on petrol this month! Bad times! :sad1:
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Yeah soot chuckers for the win :signLOL:...When i get my brakes sorted am going stage 2 on mine and still get 50 to the gallon
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What will stage 2 put out, Andy?
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stage 2 is about 230 i think and bag loads of torque....
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240 to 260 according to turbo dymanics web site...need a new fly wheel and clutch as well
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Is there such a MK 5 car modded to perform as an ED30? Any links to such cars most welcome
Mine! Sounds a bit like a diesel at tickover... :signLOL:
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Check my build thread! my cars is as close to An Ed30 as youll find!
Plus its for sale too! :0
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What will stage 2 put out, Andy?
Soot and lots of it. (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2F16apnvk.gif&hash=f8b7b8b711c07a87d031db0368ffc56501fd110f)
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Our stage 3 2.0 PD makes 240-260 bhp and 400 ft/lb but you need:
Intercooler
Flywheel (uprated dual mass)
Uprated clutch kit
Turbo back exhaust system
Stage 2 hybrid turbo
EGR removal
Solid boost pipes
PDT stage 3 custom map.
Did one at the end of last year that made 261hp and 380 ft/lb without the egr removal and solid boost pipes but time will tell if the original crappy plastic ones will last.
Very very quick in a straight line, suprisingly quick infact and holds power to 5400 rpm, will outpace a lot of cars you wouldnt expect.
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What will stage 2 put out, Andy?
Soot and lots of it. (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2F16apnvk.gif&hash=f8b7b8b711c07a87d031db0368ffc56501fd110f)
:signLOL: :signLOL:
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Our stage 3 2.0 PD makes 240-260 bhp and 400 ft/lb but you need:
Intercooler
Flywheel (uprated dual mass)
Uprated clutch kit
Turbo back exhaust system
Stage 2 hybrid turbo
EGR removal
Solid boost pipes
PDT stage 3 custom map.
Did one at the end of last year that made 261hp and 380 ft/lb without the egr removal and solid boost pipes but time will tell if the original crappy plastic ones will last.
Very very quick in a straight line, suprisingly quick infact and holds power to 5400 rpm, will outpace a lot of cars you wouldnt expect.
pm me a cost Dave but with out the exhaust
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wouldnt mind trying as stage 3 PD170. that would be pretty impressive. The stage 2 dE-dpf MAKE ABOUT 220-235 dyno dependant. had a spin against one in my vRS when it was @ stage 1 before i sold up. Stage 1 TFSI just about had the legs on it, whihc given the outputs makes sense really.
A stage 3 PD170 @ 260hp makes alot of sense IMO i can imagine that catching alot of cars out
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Check my build thread! my cars is as close to An Ed30 as youll find!
Plus its for sale too! :0
Can you post a link to your build thread, would be interested in browsing through that! :happy2:
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+1.
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even fast diesels are boring to drive
:stupid:
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even fast diesels are boring to drive
:stupid:
Hmm... Even as a complete petrol head I love fast diesels, I just drove my 335d into work today, in the wet and it was the most fun I have had for months in a car, the RWD + roundabout + 600 ft/lb is a great combination, the Golf would have just wheelspan and understeered everywhere. I agree that a fast petrol and the revs are addictive but a good diesel can be easily as much fun without the drama and noise.
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yeah but but its all about the drama is it not :driver:
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yeah but but its all about the drama is it not :driver:
And the noise :evilgrin:
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yeah but but its all about the drama is it not :driver:
And the noise :evilgrin:
And the fuel consump....... wait a minute! :signLOL:
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Think im selling my ed 30 and looking at a diesel. Petrol prices are ridiculous at the moment
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I am off to set up mk5golfgttdi.co.uk
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LOL!!
I am creating a hot TDi, I'm hoping to get mine back from the bodyshop today, then off to AMD at the weekend.
No smoke, No poke!
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Think im selling my ed 30 and looking at a diesel. Petrol prices are ridiculous at the moment
the only way is up! its not going to get cheaper!
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I know, hence the sale. Absolutely gutted.
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,732.210.html
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I am off to set up mk5golfgttdi.co.uk
:grin: :grin:
:grin: :grin: :grin: :congrats:
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In my experience, if you're looking to save money, it's not worth trading a petrol for a diesel. I've done it a couple of times and due to the extra you pay for diesel, you'd have to go from a petrol V8 to a 1.9tdi to really notice the saving.
I went from a GTI to my BMW 330cd and don't save any money once you factor in the increased price of diesel. My mpg was mid 30's in the GTI and it's mid 30's in the BMW. Diesels are only more economical on a long steady run, they're actually less economical round town. I can easily get 40mpg on a long motorway run in my 330cd, but the average over a tank is usually about 35mpg, only 1 or 2 more than in the GTI!
I actually think my diesel is nicer to drive than the golf, it's quieter and smoother on the motorway and handles better on a spirited drive but it is slightly lacking in the 'hooligan' factor. But then, I'm not a teenager anymore...
Drive a GTI carefully and it'll easily be cheaper to run than a thrashed diesel, plus you'll still have the faster car when you want to have some fun :happy2:
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I get 40mpg driving a mix of urban and A roads with a heavy foot, up to 50's on the Mway. If desiel cost twice the price as petrol then you would not save money but as its only a few pence more, plus road tax is £125 and insurance is cheaper then it will be a lot cheaper. I was getting 25mpg from my Boxster and once I remap the golf the power will be roughly the same but i'll still get good mpg.
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There was a build thread on one of the forums (think it may have been SCN) with an A3 2.0TDI quattro. he'd gone the full hog with his stage 3 tuning.
i personally think if your going to go that far with a TDI you need AWD to put all that torque to the ground
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But your talking a 3.0 diesel Garth, which in respect most are talking going to an equivalent size diesel i.e golf 2.0gt. Personally I can get around 55mpg on decent run and have even got upto 60mpg with the wife driving steady.
At some stage this year I will be giving the car to Paul @ RS Tuning, will be going possibly has much has it will go without it blowing up. But I also have a chance this week of picking a 170pd engine up cheapish so may play with that :party:
Looks wise I have it close but also didn't want to go full GTI Eddy30 so put the GT sport grilles on.
Darren
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Morty is right. My ed 30 averages around 25mpg, so a diesel car averaging 40 - 50mpg even with the increased price in fuel is a definite saving.
Having said that though if i dont get a decent offer for the ed30 i will be keeping it and i will be very happy about it, top car.
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I'm kind of the opposite at the minute, i'm barely doing any miles now so fancy getting rid of the diesel and getting a GTI.
Talking about Stage 3 tuning is ok if your prepaed to chuck a load of money into it where as a decent remap on a GTI will see you not too far off Stage 3 TDI hp figures (obviously not as much torque) for a lot less money. The saving you would make by just paying for a map over buying the full set up to go Stage 3 on a diesel would fund your fuel costs for a quite a while depending on your milage.
Matt
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even fast diesels are boring to drive
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i hate this argument, sorry mate, they are!!! you buy a diesel to save money, which is why i said i would get one next, but yeah boring to drive, torque and thats it, foot down, nowt happens then you get too much torque for a split second then its time to change up, no feel, end off.
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even fast diesels are boring to drive
:stupid:
i hate this argument, sorry mate, they are!!! you buy a diesel to save money, which is why i said i would get one next, but yeah boring to drive, torque and thats it, foot down, nowt happens then you get too much torque for a split second then its time to change up, no feel, end off.
This is entirely why I miss my Focus ST although for the moment the amount of miles I do Ill stick with the diesel until we see signs of the fuel costs stabilising, If they do
Darren
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There was a build thread on one of the forums (think it may have been SCN) with an A3 2.0TDI quattro. he'd gone the full hog with his stage 3 tuning.
Devon Mikey Boy although I believe he circulates under various guises on different fora.
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I've had an A3 TDI and a MKV GTTDI in the past and both were very good on diesel as you would expect. Both of them were 140PD's (the 170 wasn't out in 2004!) and with a map were both around the 185-195bhp mark with plenty of torque. What made them better was that they came with this new fangled thing called a DSG gearbox :laugh: The DSG is very good at dropping the soot chucker into the power/torque band and with virtually no gap in power loss between shifts it was always on song when you wanted it to be :happy2:
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I am off to set up mk5golfgttdi.co.uk
:grin: :grin:
Where do I sign up? :happy2:
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even fast diesels are boring to drive
:stupid:
i hate this argument, sorry mate, they are!!! you buy a diesel to save money, which is why i said i would get one next, but yeah boring to drive, torque and thats it, foot down, nowt happens then you get too much torque for a split second then its time to change up, no feel, end off.
I have to disagree with you there. If you haven't ever done so have a drive something like a 535D or A4 3.0TDi.
I have a 270bhp / 290lb/ft Octavia vRS (same engine as GTi) i also have a 140PD Octavia with DSG which has a Shark Map on it. I can entertain myself just as much in both cars.
Yes the vRS is faster but going fast isn't the be all and end all of an entertaining drive. As long as you can keep either engine within the power band (which i agree is easier in a petrol) then both types of engine are good.
One of my Bosses has a mapped 535D and that thing is quick and i mean seriously quick. Yes not Stage 2 onwards ED30 quick but he can keep with me in a straight line up to around 100mph and on twisty roads i have to put a bit of effort in to pull out a decent lead.
The way to look at it is a Fast diseasel gives you about 85% enjoyment of a Petrol for about 60% of the fuel costs.
Just my tuppence :drinking:
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My dads got a 535d and its a pretty staggering engine!
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My dads got a 535d and its a pretty staggering engine!
Tell him to get it mapped if he hasn't already. Fcuk me they fly when done :driver: :driver:
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even fast diesels are boring to drive
:stupid:
i hate this argument, sorry mate, they are!!! you buy a diesel to save money, which is why i said i would get one next, but yeah boring to drive, torque and thats it, foot down, nowt happens then you get too much torque for a split second then its time to change up, no feel, end off.
I have to disagree with you there. If you haven't ever done so have a drive something like a 535D or A4 3.0TDi.
I have a 270bhp / 290lb/ft Octavia vRS (same engine as GTi) i also have a 140PD Octavia with DSG which has a Shark Map on it. I can entertain myself just as much in both cars.
Yes the vRS is faster but going fast isn't the be all and end all of an entertaining drive. As long as you can keep either engine within the power band (which i agree is easier in a petrol) then both types of engine are good.
One of my Bosses has a mapped 535D and that thing is quick and i mean seriously quick. Yes not Stage 2 onwards ED30 quick but he can keep with me in a straight line up to around 100mph and on twisty roads i have to put a bit of effort in to pull out a decent lead.
The way to look at it is a Fast diseasel gives you about 85% enjoyment of a Petrol for about 60% of the fuel costs.
Just my tuppence :drinking:
I think you should keep that information to yourself! :laugh:
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Trust me, i know how good the DMS map is for them! Ive had three different cars done (same engine, but in X5's etc) by them now and its monstrous!
One of the X5's we had done was done as part of their development of the map. I spent a day with them and it was awesome!
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even fast diesels are boring to drive
:stupid:
i hate this argument, sorry mate, they are!!! you buy a diesel to save money, which is why i said i would get one next, but yeah boring to drive, torque and thats it, foot down, nowt happens then you get too much torque for a split second then its time to change up, no feel, end off.
I have to disagree with you there. If you haven't ever done so have a drive something like a 535D or A4 3.0TDi.
I have a 270bhp / 290lb/ft Octavia vRS (same engine as GTi) i also have a 140PD Octavia with DSG which has a Shark Map on it. I can entertain myself just as much in both cars.
Yes the vRS is faster but going fast isn't the be all and end all of an entertaining drive. As long as you can keep either engine within the power band (which i agree is easier in a petrol) then both types of engine are good.
One of my Bosses has a mapped 535D and that thing is quick and i mean seriously quick. Yes not Stage 2 onwards ED30 quick but he can keep with me in a straight line up to around 100mph and on twisty roads i have to put a bit of effort in to pull out a decent lead.
The way to look at it is a Fast diseasel gives you about 85% enjoyment of a Petrol for about 60% of the fuel costs.
Just my tuppence :drinking:
I think you should keep that information to yourself! :laugh:
Lol
It's easier in the Diseasel actually being an Estate. More room to manoeuvre :wink: :evilgrin:
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Trust me, i know how good the DMS map is for them! Ive had three different cars done (same engine, but in X5's etc) by them now and its monstrous!
One of the X5's we had done was done as part of their development of the map. I spent a day with them and it was awesome!
I was genuinely shocked. I went out in his car when he got it and he could only keep with me up to around 60-70mph and then i just pulled away at a fair pace. I went in his car as a passenger and was pleasantly surprised.
Then he got it mapped and fcuk me i was :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: I knew they mapped well just not that well.
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It is becoming a problem very quickly!
It's all part of the exclusive membership Rich, i've been upgraded to a premium member now that my fuel bill is £420 a month :scared:
Although it is a little worrying that i spend more on Optimax than i do on my mortgage! :grin:
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Trust me, i know how good the DMS map is for them! Ive had three different cars done (same engine, but in X5's etc) by them now and its monstrous!
One of the X5's we had done was done as part of their development of the map. I spent a day with them and it was awesome!
I was genuinely shocked. I went out in his car when he got it and he could only keep with me up to around 60-70mph and then i just pulled away at a fair pace. I went in his car as a passenger and was pleasantly surprised.
Then he got it mapped and fcuk me i was :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: I knew they mapped well just not that well.
Carl in a straight line against the mapped 535d how does you car do against it, do you manage to pull away from it? Thing is about the 535d they are quite thirsty and probably use as much fuel as a 2.0T?
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Well In my experience of the 535d it gets about 450 miles from a tank. That's with town driving mostly too
I hardly think you'd be getting 2.0t economy unless there's something wrong!
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Trust me, i know how good the DMS map is for them! Ive had three different cars done (same engine, but in X5's etc) by them now and its monstrous!
One of the X5's we had done was done as part of their development of the map. I spent a day with them and it was awesome!
I was genuinely shocked. I went out in his car when he got it and he could only keep with me up to around 60-70mph and then i just pulled away at a fair pace. I went in his car as a passenger and was pleasantly surprised.
Then he got it mapped and fcuk me i was :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: I knew they mapped well just not that well.
Carl in a straight line against the mapped 535d how does you car do against it, do you manage to pull away from it? Thing is about the 535d they are quite thirsty and probably use as much fuel as a 2.0T?
They aint thirsty. My boss and i did similar distance journeys to work, opposite directions though or i'd have got a lift :laugh:
I would average around 300 miles to the tank. He would get around 450-500 per tank. Or put another way i would fill the vRS twice a month and he would fill once every 4-5 weeks.
In a straight line he could pretty much keep with me to around 100mph however he would get off the line quicker to due to RWD. From 100mph+ i could pull away. However on reaching 150mph he would only be at most 100m behind.
Before anyone gets on the moral high ground this was on a runway and not the Public road :P
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i have driven the 3.0 audi and was ok, had a 535d for a week, was fast yeah, but my cupra r that i had at the same time was way more fun (and that was a bit boring), i never said diesels were not fast, we do get a bit hung up on speed, i said they were boring drivers cars, a 535d is one of the best day to day cars i have ever driven, but i would never think im just gonna go out for a drive in one, each to there own, i prefer petrol in a drivers car, still dont think that comment warrants been called stupid but what do i know i like french cars :signLOL:
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Is the tank not bigger in the BMW though? I managed 450 miles out of my tank going back to Ireland from Portsmouth with the KO4.
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a 535d will get same mpg as a hot hatch 30-35mpg
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Most 535d's we get in have 36-37 mpg on the computer, one company that we work for mapping their cars (engineering company and managers both have 535d's to go between Newcastle and Hull) get 42+ average as they do a lot more motorway miles.
My 335d is on an average 38mpg over the last 2900 miles and is used for school runs and round town mainly, lowest I see when having a bit of fun is 32 and on a recent run down to alton towers and back at 75mph I got 48mpg.
My golf averages 25mpg :( but on a run I can get 33 if I try.
The petrol vs diesel argument will go on for ever, If I only had one car and had to choose based on 15k miles a year it would be a turbo petrol.
Before anyone dissmisses a diesel as boring, go test drive a 335d msport, brilliant as standard (286hp and 428ft/lb) but mapped stage 1 (350hp and 580ft/lb) is enough to see off most hothatches with brilliant handling to match.
But I agree that the 335i is more fun but not any quicker so if economy is important then go diesel.
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Dont forget to factor in the price of a set of winter tyres before you click 'buy now' on a bmw :signLOL:
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When I used to live down south, I had a mk5 diesel that stayed on my tail until the higher rev ranges. My car was stock at the time, so 230bhp.
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RS tuning have a turbo upgrade good for 280hp reliably, with potential for over 300hp on the 2.0TDI :surprised:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=294824 (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=294824)
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Is the tank not bigger in the BMW though? I managed 450 miles out of my tank going back to Ireland from Portsmouth with the KO4.
I can get over 550miles out of the vRS on a motorway run sticking at 70-80mph
However round town/short journeys i get about 300miles.
I'm currently averaging nearly 53mpg out of the Slingshot :P
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I did Devon Mikey Boys brakes on the replacement car after his 450BHP 140PD, he sold it and bought a 550BHP twin turbo R32......
The biggest problem with Diesel tuning is that you have to spend some serious money on clutches - not an area you can scrimp on.....
One of the lads on the Mk4 forum is running a 260BHP big turbo 150 Engine with a V6 Long legged gearbox and in gear it would keep up with a Stage 2 ED30 I would say fairly easily, he uses it as a daily and gets 50+ MPG, totally effortless driving as well
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I did Devon Mikey Boys brakes on the replacement car after his 450BHP 140PD, he sold it and bought a 550BHP twin turbo R32......
The biggest problem with Diesel tuning is that you have to spend some serious money on clutches - not an area you can scrimp on.....
One of the lads on the Mk4 forum is running a 260BHP big turbo 150 Engine with a V6 Long legged gearbox and in gear it would keep up with a Stage 2 ED30 I would say fairly easily, he uses it as a daily and gets 50+ MPG, totally effortless driving as well
not for getting Bob Singh arl engine 300bhp with 530 nm of torque
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/397746.aspx?PageIndex=1
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Our stage 3 2.0 PD makes 240-260 bhp and 400 ft/lb but you need:
Intercooler
Flywheel (uprated dual mass)
Uprated clutch kit
Turbo back exhaust system
Stage 2 hybrid turbo
EGR removal
Solid boost pipes
PDT stage 3 custom map.
Did one at the end of last year that made 261hp and 380 ft/lb without the egr removal and solid boost pipes but time will tell if the original crappy plastic ones will last.
Very very quick in a straight line, suprisingly quick infact and holds power to 5400 rpm, will outpace a lot of cars you wouldnt expect.
Would you have anymore info or links to this?
Is it a 140PD or the 170PD engine?
I'm currently running stage 2 on a PD170 Leon FR, approx 225bhp and 360lb/ft, looking into the next stage as i've got used to the power already! :(
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Thats based on the 140pd
The 170 will make similar figures with the right clutch and turbo.
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Thats based on the 140pd
The 170 will make similar figures with the right clutch and turbo.
Hi,
Was it using uprated injector nozzles or was it still on the standard injector/nozzles?
Thanks
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Thats based on the 140pd
The 170 will make similar figures with the right clutch and turbo.
Yes, clutch upgrade, turbo, I will need convincing...
My FR was mapped by a tuner who had himself, an FR. On his own car he experimented with different maps and setups, including running a hybrid turbo. His own words were for the cost of a hybrid turbo, he would not do it again as the gains were far from worthwhile.
Is it not a case, that the standard injectors on the 170PD max out at in and around the same sort of figures (bhp) as what a few people are achieving after DPF removal and stage 2 software?
by "right turbo" can you elaborate any? Are we talking hybrid as above or a completely different unit...?
thanks