MK5 Golf GTI
General => Testing and Forum Suggestion Box => Topic started by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 31, 2011, 09:11:00 pm
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Now that I've turned 40 is it me just being a grumpy old fart or is the common reply to a for sale thread such as GLWS really as annoying as Im perceiving it to be, what's also annoying is people commenting on prices and when youve spent best part of an hour taking pictures & drafting an advert and putting it all together only for some smart ass to come along and totally scupper your bl0ody efforts.
Im not talking about brakes here, I tend to know pretty much what brakes are worth and my stuff gets priced accurately and goes fairly quickly.
Tried to sell a piece of gym equipment today, the advert wasn't 5 mins old before somebody came up some cryptic comment about it being overpriced.
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My point is what are peoples thoughts about classifieds being locked after post 1 and all correspondence being done by PM or email
I've seen some farcical situations with car adverts where its turned into a bunfight over what a guy thinks his car is worth and what he's trying to achieve price wise.
Discuss.........
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glwt oops sorry Dave :signLOL,I used to comment glws on things for sale but have stopped doing it now.Fair point about locking the thread and answering by pm
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I have always said members should lock there threads, the option is there for people and i always lock mine and just invite pm's, but lot's of people like all the posts in their threads as a free bump. :happy2:
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I don't think the GLWS is a problem as it can keep a for sale thread at the top of the section. This in turn keeps it in people's minds.
Arguing over price is wrong. I've nothing against someone saying "Mate your price might be a bit high as they are for sale at X,Y,Z for £X, £Y, £Z in a similar condition to yours" This could help with the sale but they should leave it at that.
You will get some people that will try and take the piss and Not everyone does research and you will sometimes get people trying to get back what they paid for something 18 months ago (i'm talking parts/gadgets etc here not cars) :stupid:
But most will price stuff fairly. So others shouldn't start a bunfight over price. Locking the thread is probably the only way to prevent this.
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didn't realise you could lock them :ashamed:
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I think it might just be your age Dave :signLOL:
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Also, sometimes people ask genuine Qs which is helpful to other potential buyers, this saves you PMing the same answer over and over again. As TC says, if you really want to just lock the thread. Easy peasy :laugh:
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I do think that do disable replies to for sale ads would be the final layer of polish on what's a really well tidied up For Sale section...
But....I understand giving people the choice probably makes sense...
Having said that, it would also encourage people to price accurately without it dissapearing to page 2 after 4 hours in the new format....
One other positive point about classifieds on here is that the mods have seen off the really irritating *****Feeler****** ads that plague other forums....
Anybody wanna buy a treadmill?
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GLWTS
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I don't want to buy the treadmill as I think it's overpriced by about £50 but GLWS :evilgrin: :laugh:
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I deteste seeing people saying things like "you can get a new one for £40 more" :stupid:
It really pisses me off.
I've done the good luck with sale thing along with a positive comment about the item In the past mainly as a way to bump the thread In the hope that it would aid the sale.
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I don't want to buy the treadmill as I think it's overpriced by about £50 but GLWS :evilgrin: :laugh:
Your wife posted pics up of your ever growing beer belly since marriage. that £50 is worth every extra penny. :evilgrin: :pomppomp:
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I don't want to buy the treadmill as I think it's overpriced by about £50 but GLWS :evilgrin: :laugh:
Your wife posted pics up of your ever growing beer belly since marriage. that £50 is worth every extra penny. :evilgrin: :pomppomp:
Rather be hairy and fat than the alternative :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Eh Jay?
DaveB proud to be stout.....only selling the treadmill cos I felt tight using it!!! :laugh:
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I think the usual "glws" and "free bump" posts are useless and should be deleted (unless by the op). No reason why genuine questions can't be left for all to see. Often there's extra info that may aid other buyers who didn't get the sale.
If there's an overrealistic price eg 05 stock GTI priced at £20k, it's reasonable to suggest it may be too high. Some people are just trolling and again their posts should be deleted.
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I think the usual "glws" and "free bump" posts are useless and should be deleted (unless by the op). No reason why genuine questions can't be left for all to see. Often there's extra info that may aid other buyers who didn't get the sale.
If there's an overrealistic price eg 05 stock GTI priced at £20k, it's reasonable to suggest it may be too high. Some people are just trolling and again their posts should be deleted.
I really think it's not worth commented even if you think the 05 Gti is over priced. The seller will find out soon enough if it doesn't sell? Right?
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That was an overexaggerated example but can be applied to other things. Sometimes it may be difficult to guage the value of something.
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i also reply with glws if its a mate, as a free bump. dont do it very often but it keeps it at the top. There was a post today that i nearly commented on about some std gti breaks that were over priced but i didnt mention it as its just rude. :fighting2:
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I don't want to buy the treadmill as I think it's overpriced by about £50 but GLWS :evilgrin: :laugh:
Your wife posted pics up of your ever growing beer belly since marriage. that £50 is worth every extra penny. :evilgrin: :pomppomp:
That's strange. She know's i don't drink so it would have to be a Diet Coke Belly :P :P
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Was it an Edition 30 version? Should have been in white................ :popcornsoda:
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QD EXACTLY!!
In one unwelcome thoughtless post, any chance of that item selling has been sh1tcanned!
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I agree with Dave. For sale threads should be locked. If you truly think there's an issue with overpricing, it's more polite to pm the seller.
If he takes issue, it doesn't descend into posted flaming like I've seen. Worst that happens is a few rude pms. Plus if the buyer does agreee, a quick 'edit' or 'price drop' is all it takes. It's annoying to have to trawl through 2 pages of 'glws' to find that the item was sold 3 hours ago.
Keep the for sale thread tidy! :innocent:
Rant over, I'll get my coat....
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if i see an item over priced i will pm the seller with a link showing the same item cheaper. id never put it in a post!
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i also reply with glws if its a mate, as a free bump. dont do it very often but it keeps it at the top. There was a post today that i nearly commented on about some std gti breaks that were over priced but i didnt mention it as its just rude. :fighting2:
You just did :grin: :laugh: :signLOL:
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The only problem I can see with locking threads is people being in-undated with PM's of the same thing saying "Will this fit my...." whilst if this was just in a thread at least that way people can read the replies and see without the need to ask again.
When I see a locked thread in the for sale section my instant reaction is that the item has already been sold so the thread has been locked.
GLWS doesn't seam too bad, I've used it a few times, never actually just posted it always put it on the end of a question or something.
I can just see it creating more hassle then is really needed of needing to repeat yourself and empty your inbox a lot?
Just my two-pence!
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The only problem I can see with locking threads is people being in-undated with PM's of the same thing saying "Will this fit my...." whilst if this was just in a thread at least that way people can read the replies and see without the need to ask again.
When I see a locked thread in the for sale section my instant reaction is that the item has already been sold so the thread has been locked.
GLWS doesn't seam too bad, I've used it a few times, never actually just posted it always put it on the end of a question or something.
I can just see it creating more hassle then is really needed of needing to repeat yourself and empty your inbox a lot?
....I totally agree, and also with stealth's post.
Also by keeping it public it keeps both buyer and seller more 'honest' and fair - Everyone can see what's going on.
"GLWS" is only okay if it's like a smiley on the end of something useful to the thread being said.
Too many PM's is a nuisance - I wish that some folks would ask me questions in public rather than by PM, though it depends on the question. I'm talking about questions which can benefit lots of people on the forum by being public.
I'm actually put off being interested in items sold only via PM.
@ DaveB:
If you're like this at 40yo what are you going to be like at 50? :grin:
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Taking a shot at someones price in the open is bad form. The market will soon dictate its worth. I recently sold an item via the forum and I think the questions people asked 'in the open' added clarity as there was maybe points that I hadn't clarified enough. Other members added their knowledge of the product which was also welcome and something of an endorsement.
I think it boils down to 'if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all' when it comes to adding comments to another persons sale thread.
I had never considered that GLWTS would be anything other than genuine but I guess the point of this is that some are using it in a facetious way? Deff bad form.
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I can see both points, locking the thread can be obtrusive and could lead to scammers as everything is done behind closed doors where as in the open someone may smell a rat and alert other posters as these scammers will operate on other forums as well.
flip side I had a member here comment on something i was selling and within 1hour 3 buyers pulled out. I will only comment on something i have interest in buying and where i know the price guide first hand. Feeler threads are just a waste of web space.
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I will comment in order to help. For example: Someone posts they want item X in the Wanted section and someone else posts they have an item X in For Sale, so I inform each of the other. It's surprising how many folks don't connect without some help.
I think it's also helpful to a seller if I am able to add info or a link to more info about what he/she is offering for sale. Also, to correct some info. But never to suggest the item could be bought cheaper elsewhere.
I feel strongly that For Sale and Wanted threads should be left open by default. The author can always lock their thread and invite PM's if they prefer that option, whereas it doesn't work the other way around.
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Maybe some kind of warning or something might be appropriate. Eg do not post in a For Sale thread unless you:
- are interested in buying the product
- have some questions you wish to ask about the product/seller eg location
- have some positive information eg you bought the same item and love it
- have useful negative information eg suitable for certain models or need for further equipment
Anything else eg online shop is cheaper, I paid £10 for brand new, GLWS etc gets deleted and generates a warning. Three warnings and you're out ie banned from the entire forum and subforums for a period of say three months. Harsh enough to ensure you don't reoffend. No so harsh that it drives away members.
Note: this doesn't stop people PMing potential buyers to dissuade them from buying. Also means more regulation of the For Sale section and therefore more work for the moderators.