MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2011, 12:02:08 am
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Just watched this
Clio 200 vs Corsa VXR. Having a good little scrap. looks like the corsa has the legs on the long straights and drags up hill. Clio is so much faster out the corner though hes not shy of running his car on the rev limiter though lol.
Love this one. Down 100Hp and 166lbft of torque as well
Got a clio 200 just about hanging on to a Meganne RS250 here as well
Id love to see a Renault sport clio 3 with a turbo charged engine. that would be phenomenal.
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going by the lines both drivers are taking id say the clio man is the better driver also
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There's a vid floating about of a 200 doing an 8:17 B-G, they honestly don't need more power if you've got the balls to carry speed.
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The Meg is stupidly quicker on the straights.. :surprised:
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There's a vid floating about of a 200 doing an 8:17 B-G, they honestly don't need more power if you've got the balls to carry speed.
It's not you is it Mike? :wink:
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Christ no!! I'm crap.
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the third video is awesome. :driver:
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Come buy my 182 Joe cracking little car
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Come buy my 182 Joe cracking little car
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Can the stock clio sport brakes really take all that abuse or shall we assume they have been uprated?
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4 pot brembos.... i recon they can take quite a beating! :happy2:
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The Ring isn't a big brake track, but yes, they're absolutely fine once you've swapped the fluid.
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Mmmm I really want one still. 20 Corners in and I wold have probably killed the TTRS brakes :signLOL:
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If you do your brakes in on the Ring, you're doing it very wrong!
They're the way forward, I'm done modding cars forever. This and the Pork will remain untouched.
All I've done is swap the fluid (I did the pads too although it isn't necessary) and buy a spare set of rims with semi-slicks on. Job done, it'll ruin 80% of your average track day turn out. When it breaks, I take it back on warranty and no questions asked.
Sure it isn't German build quality, sure it depreciates like a rotting peach (although factor in wasted modding money and it isn't that bad) - but it costs 1/2 the price of VAG in consumables and I haven't had a car that makes me laugh out loud this much for a very long time!
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what pork u got/getting?? :party:
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Still looking for the right Cayman S, although with the 998 on its way, 997s are bombing - really tough call and as I don't need a car, I'm trying to wait and see.
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how much have you got to spend if you dont mid me asking?? 996 turbo's are decent price now. :evilgrin:
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£30k. Don't like turbos, I'd rather have a Carrera S, strange as that may sound. Has to be N/A and 2WD.
Oh, and more Clio lunacy courtesy of Monkey.
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If you do your brakes in on the Ring, you're doing it very wrong!
They're the way forward, I'm done modding cars forever. This and the Pork will remain untouched.
All I've done is swap the fluid (I did the pads too although it isn't necessary) and buy a spare set of rims with semi-slicks on. Job done, it'll ruin 80% of your average track day turn out. When it breaks, I take it back on warranty and no questions asked.
Sure it isn't German build quality, sure it depreciates like a rotting peach (although factor in wasted modding money and it isn't that bad) - but it costs 1/2 the price of VAG in consumables and I haven't had a car that makes me laugh out loud this much for a very long time!
Mike, you should get a position in Renaultsport sales.. It'd be like sheeling peas mate with your spiel.. :wink:
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Ha! I'm not sure I own enough bad suits to sell cars :grin:
It's just so liberating not having to do anything, I'm really enjoying it. Turn up, thrash it, go home.
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Same here mate.. Only difference is I go in straight lines.. :wink: Saying that, once i've got her wed and the bank account has a pulse again, I am very tempted to get a 'toy' to fill the empty garage and there's a good chance it will have a French accent :wink: I'm thinking of maybe a 172 Cup, wearing very little and with minimal mods (decat etc), wrapped in some track rubber and just basically head down the road to Cadwell for a hoon.. :driver:
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Gotta love the clio, for being the ultimate track ready weapon.
Im budgeting £1500 for mods initially on my vRS. That'll get me springs, adjustable whiteline rear ARB, 4 pot 323m brembos, ITG maxogen intake and stage 1 remap. Then im just going to enjoy the car for a year before going any higher with stage 2 exhaust, intercooler etc.
Im hoping once i fit all the above on the vRS then it will have closed the gap in the dynamics to the clio. its similar in straight line performance already, so the remap should make a noticeable difference,
The way i see it, if its can be equal or there abouts to the Clio 200 in he bends ill be more than happy, straight line performance is easy to improve. Id say its not too far off my old cooper S in performance
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Ideally you're going to need a diff to touch the Clio's fancy front suspension (the thing Ford call RevoKnuckle on the RS), but along with some track biased geo it should be a handy little tool when you're done.
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From what i gather the 7 spd DSG dry box is designed to never need opening and has pressurised oil inside or something, so i doubt there'll be a diff available any time soon. Ill make do with some sticky tyres instead i guess. Not to sure on the adjustability of the standard suspension though, will look when i pick her up
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TD is this the one you were on about. he was held up and the cut up by that E36 BMW
This guys staying in contact with the M5 ring taxi as well. Loses it for about 2 minutes in the middle of the track where the power takes over, but hes back in direct sight by the end of the track though :scared: granted the m5 is probably 4 people up and alot heavier, but still it has a V10 and is driven by professional racing drivers who drive the track daily. 307Hp difference as well :surprised:
Check this out as well :grin: Clio Vs Porsche GT3 RS (which doesnt pull away as fast as you would imagine) watch out for those barriers though :wink: hes literally gone out porsche baiting.
Id be interested to see how the Clio RS would cope with the times made by the Meganne RS250 with the same drivers.
Also i wander how much difference over say over a lap of the ring would there be between a Clio 197, Clio 197 Cup, Clio 200 and Clio 200cup?
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not much (15 sec ish), most fun would be 172 cup. all these ring vids are bit pointless, few people get under 830 btg, clio will do that all day long, the faster rwd stuff are much harder to drive hence why they never that fast at the ring, but if you can drive the csl's, 911's etc you should be in 7s which a clio will never do. they dont like it when little clios come past though :driver:
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big megs too :signLOL: they check for plexi glass windows :signLOL:
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that was funny, german bloke i had a bit of a doo with at ring in a m coupe thing, after in car park walked over to my car and was pushing on rear windows :signLOL:
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I know someone who has done a sub-8 in a 172 Cup, nothing more than 888s and fluid/pads. But he's fearless, even I was on the sh*tbag handles lapping with him.
Sy, the 200 was 4 secs faster around Bedford than the 197 Cup - what that equates to in Ring laps though I don't know?
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is that the bog standard 200 or 200 cup. Also was that the full circuit cos thats a fair amount of time
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It was actually 2.2, my memory is crap. Cup vs Cup.
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Sub 8 in a stock cup with brakes and tyres? The r26r fwd record would be a 7:50 btw! With 888s and pro driver. And you know someone who can match that in 172? Lol
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Sub 8 B-G, not full lap. I should also have added it wasn't exactly carrying OEM weight... but yes, it was done by a pro driver to prove a point.
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7:50 would be the fwd record set by the r26r, so your mate has beaten that record in a 8 year old pretty much stock car. Think it took renaultsport a few days to get that time too, the 172 cup is a great car, best clio IMO but fastest fwd around the ring? Well worth the 3 grand and 500 for 888s
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its no fabia though.....
with some ginger bloke driving it :driver:
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7:50 would be the fwd record set by the r26r, so your mate has beaten that record in a 8 year old pretty much stock car. Think it took renaultsport a few days to get that time too, the 172 cup is a great car, best clio IMO but fastest fwd around the ring? Well worth the 3 grand and 500 for 888s
Gah, I knew I shouldn't have said it!!
How have I said he beat the record?
The R26.R's full lap time is 8:16, knock off 30 seconds for the DH straight and it's 7:46ish. He's done a sub-8 B-G, so if it was a 7:59, he's still be 13 seconds slower than the R26.R.
There's plenty of people doing sub-8s in what some people consider to be mediocre cars.
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ok, never realised you meant 1 sec off 8 min, never known anyone do that sort of time in a "mediocre" car ( i did say it was the best clio), you said you were in the car ( another 70 kilo) so what was the time? im not saying this never happened mate, just as a bit of a renaultsport man i have never heard of anyone doing such a crazy time and am very interested :happy2:
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Oh, I wasn't in with him, it was pretty much him and a bucket! I've lapped with him though and he drives at number 11.
He's a friend of a friend, races in Time Attack and knows the Ring well, it was done as a bit of a bet to see if it could be done. There's a video of it, I'll ask if I can have a copy and if I'm allowed to sling it up. It was pretty much 'just' under 8.
I love clutter, I love the fact people think nothing of them and they're mediocre and French rubbish - they can shat on a lot of stuff!!!
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I love clutter, I love the fact people think nothing of them and they're mediocre and French rubbish - they can shat on a lot of stuff!!!
Im with you on that, great package and for the money you really cannot grumble. My bros taking his around oulton soon, he's gonna have a scream!
(shame that they are missing a turbo and a few more doors :wink:)
Rich
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I love clutter, I love the fact people think nothing of them and they're mediocre and French rubbish - they can shat on a lot of stuff!!!
Im with you on that, great package and for the money you really cannot grumble. My bros taking his around oulton soon, he's gonna have a scream!
(shame that they are missing a turbo and a few more doors :wink:)
Rich
its the main reason i went for the litle 1.4TSI. It means i can remap it and get loads more power :party:
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and still have a clio come past you :driver: :signLOL:
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and still have a clio come past you :driver: :signLOL:
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Turbo would ruin it, there's something really satisfying seeing a needle head round towards the 8 on the dial.
Rich, tell him to get booked onto the 25th with us lot.
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Ill suggest it Mike. :driver:
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Oh, I wasn't in with him, it was pretty much him and a bucket! I've lapped with him though and he drives at number 11.
He's a friend of a friend, races in Time Attack and knows the Ring well, it was done as a bit of a bet to see if it could be done. There's a video of it, I'll ask if I can have a copy and if I'm allowed to sling it up. It was pretty much 'just' under 8.
I love clutter, I love the fact people think nothing of them and they're mediocre and French rubbish - they can shat on a lot of stuff!!!
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and still have a clio come past you :driver: :signLOL:
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he'd run out of fuel first :P
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Ok then.
Lets say for instance you refuse to buy a renault. Irrelevant of how good it is. which lets be fair some people will be reluctant to buy a renault. (Im almost in that frameof mind, not a fan of french cars)
So no
clio 197/cu8p
Clio 200/cup
what would you by instead then??
the main options(new ish cars not old ones) i can think of
Mini Cooper S
Mini Cooper S JCW
MINI Cooper S GP
Seat ibiza cupra (1.8T or 1.4TSI)
Skoda fabia vRS 1.4TSI
Vauxhall Corsa VXR
Ford Fiesta ST150
Fiat 500 abarth
Citroen DS3 THP150
Ive had the mini cooper S years ago, the missus has had the cooper S clubman (which i loved), and im a huge fan. Havent driven but have been in the Corsa VXR and it was good. Driven the Fiesta ST. Gutless but handled great. Not tried the DS3 or fiat 500
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Had both the cooper s and works version and the works was so much better so maybe the GP and then the 500 abarth oh and I hated French cars and now have a 182 and a 106 rallye and I just can't knock em any more they handle like go carts. Still fancy a go in the Ibiza
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Mini gp, although I can't see the point in the well built small hatches, that size car is not for 20 k a year on m1! It's for fun, the Clio is good because it's made out of paper! :signLOL:
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Is a Swift in the same class?
- Hmm, lot of extra money for a Mini but then if you sell it at a premium too it doesn't really matter. I like the fact you can spec diffs and lots of nice JCW bits are warranty-friendly. I'd probably look at the GP as it has the best of what I look for.
- Polo/Ibiza/Fabia are all the same car, but the pick of them is the SEAT for me.
- Corsa has an appalling driving positon, but is quick.
- Abarths are hilarious fun, not sure it's for me though
- Fiesta and DS3 I wouldn't even look at.
Still take the Clio though, the interior isn't actually that bad either. Spec is high for its class, really miss heated seats though.