MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: spiker on February 10, 2011, 03:04:27 pm
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Hi everyone,
I,m seriously thinking of having my MK5 GTI DSG 55,000 miles Custom Coded stage 1 by JBS of Chesterfield, is it a good idea?
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No no no
Very bad idea
I wouldn't let them work on a push bike.
Google jbs and do a search for custom code on here to reveal all
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This deserves :popcornsoda:
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This deserves :popcornsoda:
fight :popcornsoda:
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I have seen some custom code cars and generally they run pretty well. I know certain people on here dont rate their stuff but it cant be that bad, possibly a lot of internet hype and rumour?
(I have no connection with either JBS or CC but I have spoken with staff at both businesses and they have been both helpfull and knowledgable)
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Some call it Custard Code.
But to be fair I have no direct experience. Btw, is JBS the same outfit as JabbaSport? (genuine question)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FDetailing%2FStickers%2FPopcorn_smiley.jpg&hash=7ba2e43dc4d5610b69c9577f25972a8df225fcbf)
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fight :popcornsoda:
That's only if you complain isn't it :laugh:
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But to be fair I have no direct experience. Btw, is JBS the same outfit as JabbaSport? (genuine question)
No Robin. Wash your mouth out. :fighting2:
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I wouldnt have JBS put air in my tyres however ive had a CC map on my S3 and was happy with it.
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Out of curiosity, the people giving JBS a bashing, have you been to them and had them work on your car?
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Out of curiosity, the people giving JBS a bashing, have you been to them and had them work on your car?
Nope, but the numerous people that have and have been shafted etc over the years stops that from happening. There must be a reason why jbs have upset numerous peoe, have legal action against them etc and other big tuners don't.
On seatcupra..net the admin also said they didn't seek to renew sponsorship, read into that what you will. Then there's also more stuff on vagoc about custom code etc and also on the tt forum where they had a customers vehicle for over 18 months just to big turbo it onlyfor it to then blow up a few miles down the road or something along those lines. T
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I can balance this. :smiley:
my old .:R32 ran a CC map and it did nothing but hesitate. :sick:
mrs cherry's EOS runs a CC stage 2+ and its immense :evilgrin: we had to down tune it from 275bhp to 250bhp to stop it breaking traction all the time
so on one car it was rubbish, and on the other its superb.
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Just imagine how quicknit would have been with revo!
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Just imagine how quicknit would have been with revo!
It would have broke traction earlier. :driver:
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I had CC stage 1 on my 2.0 TFSI Leon and it was a great map. Very smooth and made 245bhp on DD rollers which is on par with other software. The torque is only about 255 lbs though which is not as much as others but with the k03 turbo is not such a bad thing as wheelspin is an issue.
I found James very pushy but his staff were very knowledgeable and helpfull when the car developed issues. These issues were nothing to do with the software btw :happy2:
The thing with CC software is if you upgrade parts and want to go to the next level of software you have to pay nearly the full amount again. With the likes of Revo etc the upgrade is £50plus vat.
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Hi everyone,
I,m seriously thinking of having my MK5 GTI DSG 55,000 miles Custom Coded stage 1 by JBS of Chesterfield, is it a good idea?
Seriously!!!! in all fairness most of the custard code horror stories originate from JBS. I st6ii wuldnt touch either with a barge pole. Far to much evidence of bad experiences.
@ RR
dont think jabbasport would take to kindly to being called JBS :grin: :grin:
Just imagine how quicknit would have been with revo!
It would have broke traction earlier. :driver:
Fact
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Out of curiosity, the people giving JBS a bashing, have you been to them and had them work on your car?
Yeah had 6k worth of work involving 6 visits back to them to try and get it right only for me to sell the car in the end. still not right
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@ RR
dont think jabbasport would take to kindly to being called JBS :grin: :grin:
....Because of the similarity of their names (J's B's and S's) and both being up north and so no reason for my contact with them, I have always wondered which was the one with the fairly long established bad reputation. Now I know more clearly. Thanks, Sy :drinking:
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No no no
Very bad idea
I wouldn't let them work on a push bike.
Google jbs and do a search for custom code on here to reveal all
Google'd JBS and didn't bring up much....
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jbs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=AiG&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&q=jbs+auto+design+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=a4fe5440d2b107d0 (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jbs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=AiG&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&q=jbs+auto+design+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=a4fe5440d2b107d0)
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I had Stage 1 CC from JBS on my Edition 30 and It was a great map, never had any issue and drive well. Smooth power delivery compared to my friends ED30 with Revo that was much more brutal.
Fun either way tho :signLOL:
:driver:
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Got a CC stage 1 remap on a standard GTI, at the time they replaced DV and air filter. It's been on the car now for 14 months and approx. 12 thousand miles and haven't had an issue yet!
power delivery seems smooth enough.
had an independent guy do some logging on the car whilst under full acceleration and he said its ok, timing a little out under full whack but turbo pressure ok and everything else seemed ok. He did say however that it was running about 15% lean - which isn't too bad, better to be lean then not lean enough - apparently.
Again at the time I 'Googled' JBS and CC and struggled to find anything!
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JBS were removed from at least 4 VAG forums that im aware of due to the problems customers were suffering, along with the aftercare.
However there are issues with every tuner to be honest (apart from revo, that will just be a boost leak :grin:) its just thats theres more of it around the forums with CC and JBS than most others.
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I think this thread illustrates very well how we should all be very careful how we trash motortrade companies. What suits one car or person doesn't always suit another etc. CC, JBS, Superchips, Revo, Milltek, VWR, and many others, all make mistakes. That's not to say that criticisms or pointing out shortfalls is wrong but only that we should realise that it's not always black and white. All we can do is report our own individual experiences and leave it for others to decide for themselves. I hate witch hunts.
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I think this thread illustrates very well how we should all be very careful how we trash motortrade companies. What suits one car or person doesn't always suit another etc. CC, JBS, Superchips, Revo, Milltek, VWR, and many others, all make mistakes. That's not to say that criticisms or pointing out shortfalls is wrong but only that we should realise that it's not always black and white. All we can do is report our own individual experiences and leave it for others to decide for themselves. I hate witch hunts.
The best thing I have read from you RR :love: :drinking: :happy2:
Well said! :smiley: :congrats:
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mistakes I accept . but to be lied to and cheated I don't. every problem had a excuse and a bigger cost followed by another excuse. 6 months later and a car that was worse than it started. they ruined it for me i then sold it at a great loss
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boxxer1973 - you don't say what you had done to your car? You say you had 6k of work done - that's slightly more than a stage 1 remap!
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I can think of 5 people all with similar stories to Boxxer.
There's a much bigger picture here that 90% of people won't know about with regard to the forums.
Read into that what you like.
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Got a CC stage 1 remap on a standard GTI, at the time they replaced DV and air filter. It's been on the car now for 14 months and approx. 12 thousand miles and haven't had an issue yet!
power delivery seems smooth enough.
had an independent guy do some logging on the car whilst under full acceleration and he said its ok, timing a little out under full whack but turbo pressure ok and everything else seemed ok. He did say however that it was running about 15% lean - which isn't too bad, better to be lean then not lean enough - apparently.
Again at the time I 'Googled' JBS and CC and struggled to find anything!
:scared:
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cmdrfire - care to explain the issue?
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i bet all the regulars on here were waiting for me to make comment :laugh:
i ve had 2 cars with 1.8t engine s and 3 with the 2.0tfsi all custom coded (stage 1 ) and imho all were brilliant , 3 of these cars inc my ed 30 (also vick n s ) the work inc other mods were carried out by JBS and again they were faultless
the only thing i would say is that since this jbs have had all new staff and have heard they are nt what they used to be ,
lee who used to work there was a top guy
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cmdrfire - care to explain the issue?
I always understood that running lean or too lean was bad for an engine.
"As the engine runs leaner or if there is less time for the fuel to burn in the combustion chamber, there is a tendency for incomplete combustion"
IIRC lean burn also results in hotter cylinder temps which can damage cylinders/pistons. Some engines (like AXX) have deliberate lean-burn modes when cruising, but the preference is still to run stoichiometric or rich.
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cmdrfire - care to explain the issue?
Being lean can result in more power but your on a fine line with the AFR. it could mean less fuel is being pumped into the combustion chamber. less fuel = extra heat in the engine = things bending and melting
id have walked out the door if someone had said its better to run lean than to run rich.
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sorry all ! when i meant lean i meant to say rich. :ashamed:
grovel grovel.
i was told the engine was using approx. 15% more fuel than it needs too and the timing was slightly all over the place under full load. however the chap doing the logging wasn't too concerned with that and said the turbo pressure was all fine. he certainly didn't have too much concern over the map - he did say however that the timing could be better but the engine has the ability to sort itself out with that.
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I can think of 5 people all with similar stories to Boxxer.
There's a much bigger picture here that 90% of people won't know about with regard to the forums.
Read into that what you like.
Exactly it's all behind the scenes stuff because people wont or can't go posting it all over the net for obvious reasons. It's crazy the amount of people who have lost thousands of pounds others tens of thousands for cars that don't work
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sorry all ! when i meant lean i meant to say rich. :ashamed:
grovel grovel.
i was told the engine was using approx. 15% more fuel than it needs too and the timing was slightly all over the place under full load. however the chap doing the logging wasn't too concerned with that and said the turbo pressure was all fine. he certainly didn't have too much concern over the map - he did say however that the timing could be better but the engine has the ability to sort itself out with that.
Timing which is all over the place nd letting the ecu sort the rest. Signs of a sh*t map. Overfuelling by 15% again more signs of a sh*t map that's alot of extra fuel. Bye bye catalysor.
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Custom Code maps aren't bad - just not as strong as REVO or GIAC. My ED30 was smoother on CC, but much stronger on REVO.
As for JBS - I've had work done through them, which on the whole I was satisfied with at the time.
Times change though, as do the people who worked there!
I could give a bigger insight as to how things have changed at JBS, but I won't!!!!! :P
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So would the recommendation then be to have it set back to factory standard until I can afford to have the map done elsewhere?
Cars done 28k, 12 of that on the CC map!
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CC map should be fine. If it is like most stage 1 maps it will be stronger and smoother than stock in delivery - just not as strong as some other maps.
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CC map should be fine. If it is like most stage 1 maps it will be stronger and smoother than stock in delivery - just not as strong as some other maps.
CC might not be as strong but much more usable on a front wheel drive car
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So would the recommendation then be to have it set back to factory standard until I can afford to have the map done elsewhere?
Cars done 28k, 12 of that on the CC map!
Go back and tell them to adjust the map, say the timing pull is unacceptable. Idly you want no more than minus 3 degrees of pull
CC map should be fine. If it is like most stage 1 maps it will be stronger and smoother than stock in delivery - just not as strong as some other maps.
CC might not be as strong but much more usable on a front wheel drive car
Thats going back to the days of saying 200hp is the limit for fwd cars. Or saying stock power is alot more useable than cc remap power.
Just learn how to modulate with your right foot. 30mph 3rd gear never a wheelspin issue for me in a straight line unless it was pissing down with rain or icy.
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Just learn how to modulate with your right foot. 30mph 3rd gear never a wheelspin issue for me in a straight line unless it was pissing down with rain or icy.
....Hear! Hear! :congrats: :congrats: - Too many folks don't seem to be able to grasp that.
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boxxer1973 - you don't say what you had done to your car? You say you had 6k of work done - that's slightly more than a stage 1 remap!
Had a hybrid turbo tubular manifold injectors done on my mk4 manifold was useless kept returning it for cracking each time I was told it was something else turbo blew after 8000 mile/1yr 1 day out of warranty wouldn't warranty or give anything toward. Finally after a thread on SCN got my money back for manifold after a few had the same problem.
To be fair mike and leigh were top lads and am friends with them still. Just certain others
CC maps are fine there are many more CC dealers out there that will take the time with you, and not make excuses when things go wrong
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Just learn how to modulate with your right foot. 30mph 3rd gear never a wheelspin issue for me in a straight line unless it was pissing down with rain or icy.
....Hear! Hear! :congrats: :congrats: - Too many folks don't seem to be able to grasp that.
modulating your right foot and useability is same sort of thing
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Just learn how to modulate with your right foot. 30mph 3rd gear never a wheelspin issue for me in a straight line unless it was pissing down with rain or icy.
....Hear! Hear! :congrats: :congrats: - Too many folks don't seem to be able to grasp that.
modulating your right foot and useability is same sort of thing
So lewis hamiltion races his F1 car with 100% throttle throughout every bend and on grid start off!?
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http://www.tt-forum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=149259&hilit=jbs+big+turbo&start=60
makes you sick :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
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i am only talking from my own experiences , all my CC cars have been problem free , very noticeable power gains BUT very smooth delivery which i like , had revo on my S3 and could nt get it off quick enough , had CC put on and it was amazing