MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Aaron_RJ on February 15, 2011, 09:37:26 pm
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Anyone running with tescos 99ron? Always used v-power but thought I'll give it a go filled up from empty and doesn't seem to be any worse off performance wise than v power.
Going to do some logs soon to compare to v power
Bonus with momentum is spend over £50 on shopping with tesco and get 5p per litre Off
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ive used it for a while now and cant tell no difference to the v-power, i bought a few things off tesco direct recently and got 6 quids worth of vouchers through the post, so thats 6 quid off my next fill up :jumpmove:
theres savings to be made with the 5p off offer and the clubcards too
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Ive used it since it first came out more or less and i cant tell any difference betwen it and V-power :happy2: So fill your boots
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I've recently gone back to Momentum from V-Power as it's closer to me. Can't tell the difference performance wise.
Much prefer Tesco's Clubcard point system to Shell's, at least they actually send you the vouchers.
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Ive used it since it first came out more or less and i cant tell any difference betwen it and V-power :happy2: So fill your boots
+1 :happy2:
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I've used Tescos momentum in both my GTI's and found no difference between it and v power :happy2:
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This has come up several times before.
When living down south, I had the luxury of both. Tended to use Tescos when I couldn't be arsed to get cash for the Shell garage. T99 gave better mpg but V-power made the car feel more aggressive.
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I use tesco99 when I can! :happy2:
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Tesco,s whenever possible..Bonus shopping(5p off a litre) and clubpoints.
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As above, I mix and match depending whats closer when I need to fill up and have never noticed any difference in performance.
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ive tried it lately no performance gain but 4-5mpg better than esso i normally use
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Tesco,s whenever possible..Bonus shopping(5p off a litre) and clubpoints.
^^ This.
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Comment by a professional tech/mech:
"The supermarket diesel is a nightmare. One of the main reasons most people are suffering with repeated egr faults due to the fuel not burning as well and carboning up everything. My mate runs a 206 gti 180 and every 2 weeks he would have to clean his tailpipes because of soot. He asked my opinion, I blamed fuel. Turned out he was using Tescos fuel. Told him to run something good. Has never cleaned the pipes since and says it is has a lot more torque. He was amazed by how much difference it made."
Okay, that's for diesel but [< my error]. Personally I'm not inclined to trust supermarket fuel and V-Power has some healthy additives.
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I didnt realise 206 GTI's ran on diesel.....that could be his problem!!!! :laugh:
Nowt wrong with polishing your pipe regularly, infact it gives me great pleasure!!! :signLOL:
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Comment by a professional tech/mech:
"The supermarket diesel is a nightmare. One of the main reasons most people are suffering with repeated egr faults due to the fuel not burning as well and carboning up everything. My mate runs a 206 gti 180 and every 2 weeks he would have to clean his tailpipes because of soot. He asked my opinion, I blamed fuel. Turned out he was using Tescos fuel. Told him to run something good. Has never cleaned the pipes since and says it is has a lot more torque. He was amazed by how much difference it made."
Okay, that's for diesel but personally I'm not inclined to trust supermarket fuel and V-Power has some healthy additives.
Little bit conflicting as the 206 GTI 180 isn't a diesel it was a 2.0l petrol. I guess they are just quoting lack on complete combustion, is this a personal quote or was this from another source? Mainly out of interest. I get black sooting on my pipes with Vpower but I guess that is the oil and un burnt fuel that a catch can should trap, do you get much on your quad pipes robin as I know you have a catch can.
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Rich, I get black soot on my tailpipes too, regardless of whether I had the Catch Can fitted or not. Obviously got worse when it was mapped....probably down to my foot always being flat to the floor!!! :laugh:
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Good to know Mark, like the purpose and idea of a catch can just not managed to justify the cost yet as the engines standard.
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Somewhere on this forum, can't remember exactly where...it was mentioned that all supermarket fuels including BP blend in a proportion of bio fuel in their petrol. This is to reduce overall cost.
Apparently, V-Power does not do this.
Anyways, the thought of my car running on vegetable oil doesn't appeal to me...
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I didnt realise 206 GTI's ran on diesel.....that could be his problem!!!! :laugh:
....I think his 206 GTI example was given as separate to his comment on supermarket diesel fuels - I'll check with him next time we speak.
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Somewhere on this forum, can't remember exactly where...it was mentioned that all supermarket fuels including BP blend in a proportion of bio fuel in their petrol. This is to reduce overall cost.
Apparently, V-Power does not do this.
Anyways, the thought of my car running on vegetable oil doesn't appeal to me...
....I've heard that said too. I prefer the peace of mind which comes with using V-Power even if it costs a little more.
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I get black sooting on my pipes with Vpower but I guess that is the oil and un burnt fuel that a catch can should trap, do you get much on your quad pipes robin as I know you have a catch can.
....My quads are ceramic coated satin black and so don't show soot build-up so obviously. However, I have noticed when I clean them (no more than once every 4-6 weeks) that there isn't a lot of soot.
Yesterday I emptied another 10oz of oily sludge from my Forge CatchTank but I really wouldn't like to reliably say that it's related.
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I didnt realise 206 GTI's ran on diesel.....that could be his problem!!!! :laugh:
....I think his 206 GTI example was given as separate to his comment on supermarket diesel fuels - I'll check with him next time we speak.
Ha ha that would make sense :evilgrin:
Have you ever followed a converted diesel running on oil it smells like a chip shop! Bio Ethanol isn't good for the world third world countries have been known to convert there food producing land for Bio Ethanol plants to move to a cash crop leaving the population with a massive food defeceit, not very clever!
Ahh so you took the wise decision to pre-black out your pipes shrewed move :happy2:
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Have you ever followed a converted diesel running on oil it smells like a chip shop! Bio Ethanol isn't good for the world third world countries have been known to convert there food producing land for Bio Ethanol plants to move to a cash crop leaving the population with a massive food defeceit, not very clever!
....Plain stupid! :stupid: It's rather like us being sold on the idea that the Toyota Pious is eco-friendly - What about battery production etc and what about the Dust-to-Dust factor which takes absolutely everything into account regarding the carbon footprint, literally from manufacture to disposal.
Ahh so you took the wise decision to pre-black out your pipes shrewed move :happy2:
....Oh dear! You've given me an excuse to post a pic:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FMilltek_closeup_16Jun09.jpg&hash=57e061b4ff3f95c6fd754512ac04940a1456f251)
I tested Milltek's first powdercoated prototype for them through a winter with bad results and hence it was decided that ceramic coating was the next trial. Total success from first installed in Summer 2009. In my case, having shiny quads was a bit in-yer-face and the black quads are much more subtle, especially being slash-cut '/' rather than straight-cut '|' tips.
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^^ they do look the dogs! :happy2:
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Interestingly, I was having a chat with a mate about the benefits of higher ron petrol. He has a Boxter and used to run it on bogstandard fuel. I told him to use V-power and he cannot believe the difference in performance. He's having to get used to the car all over again!
Having said that, he found his fiesta diesel would run better on supermarket diesel rather than tr more expensive stuff with the exception of BP. Apparently the car ran best on BP diesel rather than shell/tesco stuff.
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Cheers, Rich :drinking:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRED_INK%2FCarbonFootprint2_490.jpg&hash=a55d0e57bfddcc2bb6c6c26cbd808ab17e34dc1b)
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They do look nice and im a fan of subtle.
Dont get me start on the cack eco credentials of the Pious (like your re-naming) its all a load of rubbish, fuel consumption isn't that much better than a standard 1.6 that weighs the same the listed figures are nearly imposible to replicate. And the acid and heavy metals in the batteries and motors completely destroy the environment in a way that makes CO2 and potential effects of rising global temperatures (note I didnt say global warming) just wont its completely poppycock.
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my R has only ever been run on Vpower, never planning to change :innocent:
my truck though... tesco's all the way as it costs almost £100 to fill it so 5p off per litre really helps as do the points :laugh:
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my R has only ever been run on Vpower, never planning to change :innocent:
my truck though... tesco's all the way as it costs almost £100 to fill it so 5p off per litre really helps as do the points :laugh:
.... :happy2: That's exactly the point: 'Trucks' engines are designed to run on poorer less high quality fuels whereas the 2.0T FSI and other performance engines are likely to last better on V-Power I reckon.
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Ive always used momentum, and i cant tell the difference between that and V-power.
Tesco's clubcard points are good but, they have recently halfed the value of the points when you fill up. No longer a £1 per point, its £2 for a single point. ( or 25 points for £50)
Unless you use a Tesco credit card, which ive aquired recently, that then still gives you £1 and 1 point, getting more value for money with your clubcard points.
That and all purchases using Tesco's credit card, you earn 1 point for every £4 spent.
Every little helps :ashamed:
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my R has only ever been run on Vpower, never planning to change :innocent:
my truck though... tesco's all the way as it costs almost £100 to fill it so 5p off per litre really helps as do the points :laugh:
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The only Tesco I know near you is in Penzance,that is,nt momemtum 99ron..I was there when it re-opened after a re-fit and it was only 95ron..I queued for ages to find that out.Then drove topside of Hayle for some V power.. :confused:
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ah but if you fill up at shell you get points with your Vpower card which you can convert to airmiles, if you pay with virgin atlantic Amex you get airmiles, because you collect two sets of points in one transaction with the amex card virgin atlantic give you a third set of points as a thankyou, convert all to airmiles and youre laughing
currently have well over 20,000 airmiles saved from the 15,000 miles wort of fuel bought from shell
thats gets me alot of places for free, and can cash them in for hotels, theme parks etc etc
my tesco points are converted to airmiles too
needless to say, im well on track for my free hong kong trip in 2012 :innocent: (only cost is airport tax)
my R has only ever been run on Vpower, never planning to change :innocent:
my truck though... tesco's all the way as it costs almost £100 to fill it so 5p off per litre really helps as do the points :laugh:
VC.
The only Tesco I know near you is in Penzance,that is,nt momemtum 99ron..I was there when it re-opened after a re-fit and it was only 95ron..I queued for ages to find that out.Then drove topside of Hayle for some V power.. :confused:
i wouldnt know dude i use diesel at tescos :happy2: but yeah its penzance
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ah but if you fill up at shell you get points with your Vpower card which you can convert to airmiles, if you pay with virgin atlantic Amex you get airmiles, because you collect two sets of points in one transaction with the amex card virgin atlantic give you a third set of points as a thankyou, convert all to airmiles and youre laughing
currently have well over 20,000 airmiles saved from the 15,000 miles wort of fuel bought from shell
thats gets me alot of places for free, and can cash them in for hotels, theme parks etc etc
my tesco points are converted to airmiles too
needless to say, im well on track for my free hong kong trip in 2012 :innocent: (only cost is airport tax)
my R has only ever been run on Vpower, never planning to change :innocent:
my truck though... tesco's all the way as it costs almost £100 to fill it so 5p off per litre really helps as do the points :laugh:
VC.
The only Tesco I know near you is in Penzance,that is,nt momemtum 99ron..I was there when it re-opened after a re-fit and it was only 95ron..I queued for ages to find that out.Then drove topside of Hayle for some V power.. :confused:
i wouldnt know dude i use diesel at tescos :happy2: but yeah its penzance
Ahhh.. re-read your original post.. Stupid me. :laugh:
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Are there any dynos in existence showing stock 2.0 200PS GTI respective power outputs on V-Power Vs Tesco Momentum Vs anything else?
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From reading on the scooby site, that tesco99 has show less knock then V-power and so by swear by it. Imo its what is nearest to you which helps you decide on the two .
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where i live it's equally convenient to get either and the Shell is out in the sticks so they don't charge very much so same price.
i notice better fuel economy with V-Power, but otherwise no difference.
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BUMP!
Are there any dynos in existence showing stock 2.0 200PS GTI respective power outputs on V-Power Vs Tesco Momentum Vs anything else?
I have no back to back dyno data but most of my own cars have run identically on vpower and momentum, no obvious difference in ignition pull or overall ignition advance data.
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Thanks all. I live slap bang between a Shell and a Tesco :-). Think I'll go with Momentum on the next fill up... :-)
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What would the difference be or harm caused running on normal unleaded then ? I Will always used Shell due to the additives contained in all their fuels but is there really and great difference from normal unleaded to Vpower ? VW brochures received today re possible Ed35 purchase make no reference to using Vpower just state minimum 95ron
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No harm - TFSi is designed just for that - running on different types of fuel.
But do remember that the max power (200bhp GTI, 230bhp ED30) is based on using 98+RON.
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I have used Momentum 99 for the last 5 years as opposed to V power, purely because where I live tesco is 1.5 miles and shell is 15 miles away, plus I get 5p offer per litre and tesco price is lower than shell anyway.
I did fill up last time on V power and feel no diff, although I will try to fill up every 4th tank on V power (purely for those so called magical additives :wink:)
Also when did V power become 99 ron as last I knew it was always advertised as 98 ron?
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You need a few tanks for the ECU to adjust to appreciate a difference.
Shell's old superfuel, Optimax, was 98RON. With the name change to V-Power came 99RON
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My bro runs his DAX Cobra on the Tesco 99 high octane stuff. Apparently it is a higher octane than VPower. He seems to think so anyway. :stupid:
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I have always thought v-power was 98 ron.
Tesco Momentum seems to cause my emisions light to come on after a couple of hundred miles. So i aways use v-power now. :happy2:
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I have always thought v-power was 98 ron.
Tesco Momentum seems to cause my emisions light to come on after a couple of hundred miles. So i aways use v-power now. :happy2:
I think you have some other issue going on there ... I run mostly Momentum, occasionally V-Power and notice no difference at all between them. Sometimes forced to use 95 RON depending on availability and where I am. Never had any warning lights or detrimental side effect from using any of the above.
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ALL fuels, including Super Unleaded will be made to carry proportion of ethanol in them soon....most do already, except for BP's top of the range unleaded (last time I checked, in the summer, BP's Southern distribution network did NOT have ethanol). Also, i believe Murco of all people also had little ethanol in their fuels when I checked. This is because they are all being made to make their respective fuels "bio" fuels.....and of course, doesn't exactly knock the bottom profit line either :fighting:
Normal unleaded already has ethanol in, across every supplier and fuel range. There's a simple test you can do to check the ethanol content and to see how much your fuel has in it (tho the simple, glass testers aren't quite so cheap.....I'll put up a link to my other halfs online shop as she sells them! LOL). Joking aside tho......it would be interesting to see how all of our fuels are "messed with" in different ways, across the country.
I only found this out whilst researching suitable fuels for an aero engine. You can buy Aviation approved fuel that is ethanol free.....but that's VERY expensive.....more so than normal super at the moment at least!