MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on February 24, 2011, 10:41:19 pm: I'm looking to change my Clutch and, I was wondering which people have had experience with and, which to go for?

Cheers :happy2:

Phil
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: berg on February 24, 2011, 10:55:17 pm: am pretty sure awesome gti and a robert (one of chap on here) said the Helix was better, but am sure plenty of people who have the sachs may feel different...

i need to ask the same question and carry it further by asking which is best LSD to go with one of the above clutches...
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on February 24, 2011, 10:57:09 pm: I'm also wanting to know the same about the LSD! And, where I could buy one from!!??
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: berg on February 24, 2011, 11:04:37 pm: Quote from: Edition_30_P on February 24, 2011, 10:57:09 pm
I'm also wanting to know the same about the LSD! And, where I could buy one from!!??

Backdraft in Milton Keynes will do it, PDT said they dont have time for work like this at present but as will be expending they may do at some point in the future. presume JKM, Jabba etc will be keen too...
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: martziniuk on February 24, 2011, 11:09:44 pm: No problems with the Sachs clutch here and I believe it is cheaper than the Helix.
There is quite a bit on this topic if you do a search.
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: PDT on February 24, 2011, 11:11:53 pm: I have used, fitted, bought, sold, driven both helix and sachs and no problems with either product. Most of our high powered stg3+ diesel cars we build/map use Helix.
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: danishmkvgti on February 25, 2011, 07:28:23 am: I haven't had the same experiencevolume as PDT. I've had one sachs with SMF fitted with didn't perform to expectation.
After trying the Helix pedalfeel i have opted for that the second time around, due to it being lighter to use in everyday use. just my 2 pees
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on February 25, 2011, 10:30:06 pm: Cheers, Danish! Still doing research and, seeing which people are rating but, so far Helix is more popular :happy2:
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: danishmkvgti on February 26, 2011, 07:46:15 am: A friend of mine told me about www.clutchmasters.com . they have an extensive range for the mk 5 GTI
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: cam on February 26, 2011, 09:41:07 am: Just to throw another option out there, I have a SPEC clutch on mine and it's been great! One thing I would say is regardless of which clutch you go for, if you are planning on changing the flywheel at the same time I would recommended avoiding going with a single mass flywheel! Changing to a single mass is my biggest regret due to the clutch chatter that comes from single mass flywheel, I will be changing back to a duel mass at some point in the future!
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: kierongti on February 26, 2011, 10:29:52 am: isnt the GTI's standard clutch made by sachs.... pretty sure it is?..... FIFTH GEAR say so.....
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: danishmkvgti on February 26, 2011, 10:44:18 am: later GTI's are Sachs, earlier ones are Luk
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: berg on March 17, 2011, 03:55:00 pm: Quote from: Edition_30_P on February 25, 2011, 10:30:06 pm
Cheers, Danish! Still doing research and, seeing which people are rating but, so far Helix is more popular :happy2:

any more research on this topic phil?

Quaife diff definately for me but am still unsure as to Sachs or Helix and SMF or DMF :confused:
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: MAT ED30 on March 17, 2011, 03:57:50 pm: sach paddle clutch kit works perfect with my quaife diff very nice to drive
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on March 17, 2011, 05:27:39 pm: I think I may go for a Sachs Clutch kit and run it on the standard DMF!! Not 100% but, 70% certain this is the route I'm taking :happy2:
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on March 25, 2011, 09:27:32 am: Hi Guys!

I have decided to go for the Sachs Clutch in the end! Does anyone know of a cheap place to get them from?
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: danishmkvgti on March 25, 2011, 09:37:25 am: Quote from: Edition_30_P on March 25, 2011, 09:27:32 am
Hi Guys!

I have decided to go for the Sachs Clutch in the end! Does anyone know of a cheap place to get them from?

If you as you wrote in the previous reply opted for the Sachs uprated but with the DMF i think you will be happy as it's the best of both worlds :drinking:
Remember to keep us informed on how you find it, as not many has opted for this solution.
A friend of mine has the same setup fitted to his A4 2,0 TFSI yesterday and his initial impression is the pedal feel is lighter than stock :smiley:
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on March 25, 2011, 09:49:21 am: Sweet! I've stuck with the DMF (Stock) and should have it on tomorrow!!
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: martziniuk on March 25, 2011, 09:57:18 am: The Sachs setup is certainly not lighter than stock, that would defeat the point as the reason for O.E slip is mostly due too poor spring clamping pressure AFAIK.
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: danishmkvgti on March 25, 2011, 10:02:55 am: Quote from: martziniuk on March 25, 2011, 09:57:18 am
The Sachs setup is certainly not lighter than stock, that would defeat the point as the reason for O.E slip is mostly due too poor spring clamping pressure AFAIK.

That the impression he gets :wink:
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: martziniuk on March 25, 2011, 10:09:36 am: To be fair you do get used to it and they do feel quite stock to the owner but in heavy traffic it does start to put a little strain on the leg. Try another car and the clutch feels like sponge in comparison. I love mine and am certainly pleased I got an updated clutch.
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on March 25, 2011, 10:14:09 am: I've been told its harder than OE but, feels better than the Helix!! So thats what I'm gonna go for :happy2:
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: danishmkvgti on March 25, 2011, 10:24:36 am: i have been corresponding with Daniel Day at ZF today and if you have any questions regarding the Sachs clutch solutions he will be able to assist, top bloke :congrats:
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on March 25, 2011, 11:42:04 am: Cheers, Danish!! I ordered my Clutch from Ed @ APS.. Top Bloke :happy2:!! He did me the Clutch kit for £500 inc VAT and P&P!! Cheaper than JKM, Awesome and AMD! :happy2:
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: flyboy1976 on March 25, 2011, 04:41:05 pm: Keep us posted as im going to be getting a quaife diff in the future and would appreciate your feedback on impressions once fitted compaired to stock.
The sachs kit you have been supplied should be a 787 and a 502?
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on March 25, 2011, 09:00:54 pm: I'm looking to get a Diff soon, too! Been looking at the ones that Awesomre sell and also the VWR one!
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: damoegan on March 25, 2011, 10:35:11 pm: Quote from: danishmkvgti on March 25, 2011, 10:24:36 am
i have been corresponding with Daniel Day at ZF today and if you have any questions regarding the Sachs clutch solutions he will be able to assist, top bloke :congrats:

I bought my Miltek for my old Ibiza Cupra from Dan and he also sorted out a VR6 Sachs clutch for me to :happy2:
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: berg on March 26, 2011, 10:56:04 am: Quote from: Edition_30_P on March 25, 2011, 11:42:04 am
Cheers, Danish!! I ordered my Clutch from Ed @ APS.. Top Bloke :happy2:!! He did me the Clutch kit for £500 inc VAT and P&P!! Cheaper than JKM, Awesome and AMD! :happy2:

have you got contact details for Ed @ APS? ta
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on March 26, 2011, 11:21:12 am: yes mate! PM'd ya :happy2:
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Ce0u1162 on February 07, 2012, 07:56:23 pm: Bit random but did you go for the Sachs kit with the old dmf?? How did it work out? Thanks
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on February 07, 2012, 08:28:07 pm: Quote from: Ce0u1162 on February 07, 2012, 07:56:23 pm
Bit random but did you go for the Sachs kit with the old dmf?? How did it work out? Thanks

Hello mate,

I did go for the Sachs with the OEM DMF. It's holding up fine but, think I'm gonna go for a south bend clutch and flywheel package soon!
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Ce0u1162 on February 07, 2012, 09:21:14 pm: How come your thinking of changing? I'm running stage1 remap, have no real aspirations to get any more power and similarly don't intend on ragging the car to within an inch of its life So would the Sachs and oem DMF be suitable?
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: Edition_30_P on February 07, 2012, 10:05:35 pm: That set up would be perfect for what your intending! I'm looking to get more power so need something that's more capable than the Sachs and oem flywheel!
Title: Re: Helix or Sachs Clutch??
Post by: robern2 on February 08, 2012, 08:06:56 am: Quote from: berg on February 24, 2011, 10:55:17 pm
am pretty sure awesome gti and a robert (one of chap on here) said the Helix was better, but am sure plenty of people who have the sachs may feel different...

i need to ask the same question and carry it further by asking which is best LSD to go with one of the above clutches...

I have the Helix on my stage2+ ed30.
It does have a higher torque limit that the Sachs equivalent but I'm sure both are more than up to the job.
Price wise, the helix when I had mine fitted 2 years ago was cheaper than the Sachs but things change.

I've not driven a similar Sachs equipped car but the Helix has perfect road manners being only marginally stiffer than standard but not in any way a cause for any fatigue.