MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Technical Workshop => Topic started by: VC on March 05, 2009, 09:21:25 pm
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Needing to find out more about them from a 'man on the ground' point of view, all looks pretty good
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Mines APR1, from awesome,
not had any probz, wot do you need to know
you could always go for a free trial
billy
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Needing to find out more about them from a 'man on the ground' point of view, all looks pretty good
Yes i had stage 2 on my old LCR and had the trial map on my mk4 r32 but as mine had the 6463 update it made fook all so just thought keep the cash and spend it on other stuff. y not just put the cash aside for a turbo :evilgrin: or other mods
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Mines APR1, from awesome,
not had any probz, wot do you need to know
you could always go for a free trial
billy
awesomes a bit far for me, there's a place in devon though i think
have you got switchable modes? if so what?
was your car mapped in real time via the internet or was it coded from a standalone machine?
whats the aggression level of the accellerator like in performance mode (99+ or 100+)
which map did you go for with what mods (stage)
:happy2:
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Needing to find out more about them from a 'man on the ground' point of view, all looks pretty good
Yes i had stage 2 on my old LCR and had the trial map on my mk4 r32 but as mine had the 6463 update it made fook all so just thought keep the cash and spend it on other stuff. y not just put the cash aside for a turbo :evilgrin: or other mods
yeah i had the 6463 then a stage 1 custom code on my mk4 r32, doesnt make that much difference but does increase the driveablitys and a crisper throttle
the map i want for the mk5 needs to be switchable, and i want to be able to adjust the aggression levels. much better than my previous map as you can set the limiter to stop people such as garages ragging your car when theyre working on it, valet modes and modes for different octanes although i stick to Vpower
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Needing to find out more about them from a 'man on the ground' point of view, all looks pretty good
Yes i had stage 2 on my old LCR and had the trial map on my mk4 r32 but as mine had the 6463 update it made fook all so just thought keep the cash and spend it on other stuff. y not just put the cash aside for a turbo :evilgrin: or other mods
yeah i had the 6463 then a stage 1 custom code on my mk4 r32, doesnt make that much difference but does increase the driveablitys and a crisper throttle
the map i want for the mk5 needs to be switchable, and i want to be able to adjust the aggression levels. much better than my previous map as you can set the limiter to stop people such as garages ragging your car when theyre working on it, valet modes and modes for different octanes although i stick to Vpower
well if thats what u want go revo with the select switch and then u have all the options you need in a switch
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http://www.revotechnik.com/products/softwareProduct.aspx?pvID=976
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can the apr map not be controlled via the cruise stalk?
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can the apr map not be controlled via the cruise stalk?
Yes
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Mines APR1, from awesome,
not had any probz, wot do you need to know
you could always go for a free trial
billy
awesomes a bit far for me, there's a place in devon though i think
have you got switchable modes? if so what?
was your car mapped in real time via the internet or was it coded from a standalone machine?
whats the aggression level of the accellerator like in performance mode (99+ or 100+)
which map did you go for with what mods (stage)
:happy2:
Easy tiger slow down, little bit over my head, some of that.
mines not got criuse (yet) but if it did then you could add modes (extra £)
the tinternet thing not got an igloo, soz
and throttle thing, again dont know
sounds like am a right div, but am not, i just got what i asked for APR1.
so i might get educatered (oopps) on this one
bill
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IMO the select plus is an overkill with a non aspirated engine as you can't alter the boost and little you can do with the timing. The anti-theft feature is a plus though...
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Hey VC.
I have a APR stage 1 remap from Awesome (live about 30 minutes away), I had it done within two weeks of buying the GTI in July, after first having their 6 hour free trial. They allow you to have several maps if you have the Cruise Control fitted, plus will fit CC for £150 (I think last time I looked).
The car is completely standard otherwise though. As for mapping they took my car into the workshop and a man plugged his laptop/computer in and did what he did. :smiley: I assume it was a ECU flash compared to running it on a road or rollers where a map plays around as the car drives (my Subaru was done like this). I had it back about 15-20 minutes later and drove away.
Performance wise, so much better than stock (of course), lots more power from the bottom all the way up. Much easier to pull away in higher gears now while on the move. Turbo spool is about 2500 which is similar to what it was before but there is far more go! The only problem with it really is that it's very easy to get the TC kicking in while pulling away very agressively or in damp/wet conditions and now and again while over taking something and you just mash the pedal down. :laugh: Some of that comes from me having to learn to drive differenly again as when you come from a 4WD beast that simply does not care for TC and you just go into warp speed as and when then you forget anything progressive. :smiley:
I am very happy with the power, and I think it delivers it smoothly across the range.
I run mine currently on 95 fuel and it still goes quickly, really must put some V-Power back in it, but trying to save money a little bit at the moment and I will just chew through all that fuel. I would give Awesome a ring and ask them some questions as their website has changed a little bit since I was looking at it in the sumer as they say they do different fuel maps which was not there before. Even if you do not go there for a map they should answer questions for all APR mapping centers.
And you are more than welcome to have a drive of mine if you are in the North West some time. Although I am near Reading all next week on a training course if you happen to live down that way. :smiley:
Andrew
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Toptrump, brilliant many thanks :happy2:, cheers for the offer of a drive too but i would need to drive stock first to be able to compare, also i live many moons away
i had no idea that Awesome dealt with APR software, will definately give them a call for a chat.
this was announce in Feb (only found it last night though)
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APR is pleased to present our ECU Upgrade for the new 3.2L Engine as found in the MK5 R32, 8P A3 and MKII TT. It's now available from APR through our extensive dealer network.
Features Included:
* APR's Patented Directport Programming Technology
APR Software is loaded directly from APR onto your vehicle via an internet connection. This can be preformed at any authorized APR dealer, or by sending your ECU to APR.
* APR's EMCS Functionality
Program switching and features are available to the end user without the need for external hardware. The user can easily cycle though programs using their cruise control stalk. Your cruise control stalk will operate normally while driving.
* Exact OEM Calibration Stock Mode
For whatever reason, if you ever need to run your vehicle with the stock calibration that came with the car, it's right at your finger tips.
* 91 Octane Performance Mode
APR Performance calibration designed to run on a minimum of 91 octane fuel
* 93 Octane Performance Mode
APR Performance calibration designed to run on a minimum of 93 octane fuel
* 100 Octane Performance Mode
APR Performance calibration designed to run on a minimum of 100 octane fuel
* Valet Mode
A significantly detuned operating mode. Valet mode will prevent unwanted people from joyriding in your vehicle while it's out of your care.
* Fault Code Erase/Throttle Body Alignment
Throw a check engine light when unplugging a sensor? Need to do a throttle body alignment after working on your car? With these options at your fingers, it's now possible w/o a trip to the dealership or the need for external hardware.
* Security Lockout
Using a unique security code, when locked out, it's impossible to switch programs or detect you are running modified software. Further more, when in stock mode it's impossible for diagnostic tools to detect our software. All flash counters and other settings are reset to the values they were prior to reflashing with APR software.
* Anti-theft
Disables throttle input when enabled. Even if your keys are left in the vehicle, this extra layer of protection will help deter theft.
Each performance mode listed above is also available in the following configurations:
* Stage 1
* Stage 1 with Testpipes
* Stage 1 7200 RPM Rev Limit for HPA DSG Compatibility
* Stage 1 7200 RPM Rev Limit with Testpipes for HPA DSG Compatibility
APR's ECU Upgrade is available in three configurations:
*Fully Loaded - $599
You will receive all the features above with your choice of four of the calibrations above: [Stock/91/93/100/valet]
*Single Program Only - $399
You may choose a single calibration: [91/93]
*Trial Software - FREE
Any APR dealer is able to flash your vehicle with free trial software. You're fully able to test out the software for free before buying. Regardless, all APR software comes with a 30 day money back guarantee.
Free Updates/Reflashes:
If APR ever makes a revision to the software, or if you ever lose your software through a dealership software update, feel free to contact APR for a free reflash.
Dyno Performance:
All testing was conducted on a stock vehicle with stock hardware and stock TCU software. Increases in power can be seen with hardware modifications.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goapr.com%2Fimages%2Fmkv_32l_dyno%2Fr32_apr_vs_stock_93_crank.gif&hash=29936bfe4f51f496d2ca3b006aff6d9c4d2eb8be)
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Wow lots of options I might have to wander down there and see if there is any updates. :smiley:
Arh yes I forgot you had a R32, lucky devil you. :grin:
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i had a custom code map loaded onto the mrs EOS and ive had maps before. the EOS map was very impressive taking the car from 195bhp to 243bhp rolling road confirmed wuth CAI and zorst with the option of taking it to 300bhp with fuel pump etc but traction and the roof weight over the back meant it would be madness
so although driving an .:R32 ive been able to 'feel' the EOS in a before and after way, totally different power delivery though
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John_o also has the APR map and had a problem with his, that took quite a while to find, I think i am right in saying that there was a small error in the writing of the map which is all fixed now. :wink:
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John_o also has the APR map and had a problem with his, that took quite a while to find, I think i am right in saying that there was a small error in the writing of the map which is all fixed now. :wink:
i know Cohiba had APR everything on his ed30 and loves it but again who has it on the r32oc VC?
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not usre if anyones taken the APR plunge on the oc, most have gone revo
nothing against revo at all it's my second contender, just scraping as much info together about the APR options before i commit to anything
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Id thoroughly recommend Awesome and APR , I had my faith both dented and re-affirmed when I had a map issue.
But I still believe I made the right choice. (my second choice would be REVO)
remember not everything is posted on forums and its a small subset we tend to hear about.
Do lots of research and make your own mind.
Given that its NA then the criticality of EGR temps etc arent there so I dont think the risk is there quite the same as with a turbo car.
How about negotiating a long term trail from Awesome ?
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Id thoroughly recommend Awesome and APR , I had my faith both dented and re-affirmed when I had a map issue.
But I still believe I made the right choice. (my second choice would be REVO)
remember not everything is posted on forums and its a small subset we tend to hear about.
Do lots of research and make your own mind.
Given that its NA then the criticality of EGR temps etc arent there so I dont think the risk is there quite the same as with a turbo car.
How about negotiating a long term trail from Awesome ?
Would you mind sharing why you decided to go with APR? I have done a fair bit of research on this myself and have found the general feeling from the US forums is that the APR map may be more reliable long term due to things like AFRs, EGTs and timing.
I am in no way saying one map is more reliable than the other and would just like to get an insight as to why you decided to go with APR.
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Ditto ^^^
I like what APR brings to the table, but need to hear experiences
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Heres my previous problem thread for some reading ...
flash stutter CEL APR stg1 Ed30 ...... (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=263.0)
tbh Im not an APR 'fanboy' as they call it. It just matched my criteria at the time after a lengthy decision process :grin:
I have previously stated the following as some 'criteria' you may wish to consider for a remap :
customer base (size)
customer feedback
type of customer profile
distance from you
cost
development time and resource to produce product
updates
are they VW specific or other makes too?
time in business for this specific car make
dyno plots (both from company and from forums , they differ greatly). shape is as, if not more important than ultimate numbers
AirFuelRatio data, EGR temp data etc
ability and type of switching , stock vs mapped mode
adjustable (only REVO can do this)
For me APR and Awesome combo gave me the match.
Remember its not just the map but the person/company putting the map on that matters especially if you have an issue
(which I did)
Awesome put a lot of time and effort into sorting my car for a problem created by APR, that cannot be underestimated when it would probably have been easier (and cheaper for them) to just take the map off and suggest another remap company.
However I like APR's ethos and generally the replies they give on the US forums (some i dont like !)
I like the results and data for various parameters I have seen (EGR and A/F ratios especially), and the reasons behind them.
They are one of the few tuners to have produced a 'proper'HPFP (high flow really bacillus/vrStu :wink:) which given the work involved and attention to detail you cant fault.
What is apparent is that as time moves on the knowledge and way these maps are applied is ever changing.
So whats valid is how people get on with TODAYs version of remaps , many posts are 3+yrs old and any issues may not longer be valid.
Remember that US cars are 91/93/95 maps, so UK experiences should carry more weight.
If I were to do it again it would be only APR or REVO (no disrespect to others but thats my conclusions at this point in time)
Ultimately do the research :happy2: and make a choice :happy2: and always asks questions even from the people you trust :wink:
fwiw if i had an R32 im not sure Id be getting a raised rev limit at the moment (remap yes) but thats just me :drinking:
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not too worried about the raised rev limit, more in need of the aggression settings, idle drop and torque curves
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you not at Awesome yet then :grin: :happy2:
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i live 300 miles away :chicken: no fair
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i live 300 miles away :chicken: no fair
no problem Ill come pick it up for ya :happy2: :grin:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Faa104%2FverycherryR32%2Fsee-cats.jpg&hash=92cc877656bb061c538466557309c1667d9f02a3)
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Have a look at this thread for some more info about the APR map:
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57371&highlight=apr+timing
Long read but worth it.
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Have apr1 from awesome you notice the difference straight away.
having the apr cooler, apr fuel pump and apr 2+ map very soon :D
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i live 300 miles away :chicken: no fair
You could always crash at mine...Only an hour and a bit from Awesome.. :signLOL:
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i live 300 miles away :chicken: no fair
You could always crash at mine...Only an hour and a bit from Awesome.. :signLOL:
Sounds like a mini meet at Awesome, althought many shiny things in there that keep calling me. Must stay away from the place. :grin:
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Been chatting to the guys at RK Engineering (my local tuning guru's) and they were approached by APR via letter offering them to become an agent a while back apparently, after a little smooth talking by me they're gunna dig the letter out and look at the deal again. They already do custom code but as they had no one at the time even considering an APR map they didn't bother as it would cost them £1000 for the privalidge :confused:
they're just as bad as going to awesome though, each time i go to RK they almost convince me to supercharge :grin: but they know i want a cruiser rather than an autobahn stormer so the pressures not too high...still spend more than i intend to most times :rolleye:
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Have apr1 from awesome you notice the difference straight away.
having the apr cooler, apr fuel pump and apr 2+ map very soon :D
Stage 2+ with apr pump on a cupra is great you'll love it :driver:
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APR Stage 2 - APR HPFP ( not a cheap knock off/rebuid kit) - RSC... FMIC......there's more to come... in it's current phase, it is utterly reliable and usable.
No probems to report thus far.....
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Have apr1 from awesome you notice the difference straight away.
having the apr cooler, apr fuel pump and apr 2+ map very soon :D
Stage 2+ with apr pump on a cupra is great you'll love it :driver:
Picked it up yesterday, lost for words! Dont know when I'm going to stop smirking! :driver:
Got: KW V3's - Not a bad ride even on my local shockingly bad rds. No Roll anymore! :D
Neuspeed arb's - Set to soft / medium. Having these at same time as coilies cant really comment on how much difference they made made. Handling is stunning now though!!!
Torque arm insert - Less engine rock by the feel of it. Alot tighter & firmer.
APR FMIC - Huuuuuuuuuge, would look well impresive if you could see it lol. Think it's slightly more laggy with it, could be in my head?
APR HPFP - The cam follower needed doing too. Didnt see how bad it was, might see if theyve still got it and send me a picture.
APR Fully loaded ecu - All the programs. 98map, stock map, anti theft, valet, throttle body alignment, fault code clear.
Dbilas inlet - All im gonna say is darth Vader :driver:
What a beast! Well impresive. Just feels quicker and quicker every time i drive it.
Massive massive thanks to andy and the team at awesome gti, they worked flat out and had 3 techs on it at one point! Awesome closed at 4 and i couldnt get there till 5. Andy waited for me so I could pick it up! What a hero. After showing me how to adjust the maps through my cruise controls I was off.
My car is the Tits! Over the moon with it at the min!
Ooooooh Audi R8 oil cap too :P
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:drinking:
I'm almost along the lines off mirroring what you've just done at Awesome, nice write up :happy2:
how much bhp did the R8 oil cap give? :P
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:drinking:
I'm almost along the lines off mirroring what you've just done at Awesome, nice write up :happy2:
how much bhp did the R8 oil cap give? :P
Will get it on the rollers, reckon about 5bhp :P
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Hi
You guys :laugh: are you all mad.....?
It is at least 10bhp.....
Hey Mike , glad you like it , I am sorry I could not hang about on Saturday.........was on a promise :jumping:
But glad you got it all sorted and managed to get it OK
Great isn`t it when you collect your car with all them bits done?
Glad your happy
Sarah
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Hi
You guys :laugh: are you all mad.....?
It is at least 10bhp.....
Hey Mike , glad you like it , I am sorry I could not hang about on Saturday.........was on a promise :jumping:
But glad you got it all sorted and managed to get it OK
Great isn`t it when you collect your car with all them bits done?
Glad your happy
Sarah
i will be headed your way soon, armed with money i shouldn't be spending, my £25 Awesome gift voucher and a whiff of discount to take the sting out of the round trip from Cornwalls deepest South? :innocent:
:grin:
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Sounds great Mike. Glad to hear you are happy :happy2:
When are you going to go BT then :wink:
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they're just as bad as going to awesome though, each time i go to RK they almost convince me to supercharge :grin: but they know i want a cruiser rather than an autobahn stormer so the pressures not too high...still spend more than i intend to most times :rolleye:
I still need to call them :embarrassed: From what I have read about them, they are the experts as far as superchargers are concerned. Had to hold off from calling them as I know that I wouldn't have been able to resist if they offered a good price on getting the R32 done, but the money would have come from funds earmarked to pay off remaining debt which wouldn't have been sensible. :ashamed: :chicken:
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i trust RK with my money, my ride and the work they do on it. she goes nowhere else, the guys there adore their cars and it shows
so shutup and charge it already :party: :evilgrin:
i'll buy you a pasty :grin:
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Hi
You guys :laugh: are you all mad.....?
It is at least 10bhp.....
Hey Mike , glad you like it , I am sorry I could not hang about on Saturday.........was on a promise :jumping:
But glad you got it all sorted and managed to get it OK
Great isn`t it when you collect your car with all them bits done?
Glad your happy
Sarah
i will be headed your way soon, armed with money i shouldn't be spending, my £25 Awesome gift voucher and a whiff of discount to take the sting out of the round trip from Cornwalls deepest South? :innocent:
:grin:
always good to meet fellow forum members :happy2: just give me a shout when you get in , and I will get you an Awesome brew too
That is a long way to come...
But to be fair , I live in Sheffield area , so I do 148 miles per day too
Sarah
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Hi
You guys :laugh: are you all mad.....?
It is at least 10bhp.....
Hey Mike , glad you like it , I am sorry I could not hang about on Saturday.........was on a promise :jumping:
But glad you got it all sorted and managed to get it OK
Great isn`t it when you collect your car with all them bits done?
Glad your happy
Sarah
i will be headed your way soon, armed with money i shouldn't be spending, my £25 Awesome gift voucher and a whiff of discount to take the sting out of the round trip from Cornwalls deepest South? :innocent:
:grin:
always good to meet fellow forum members :happy2: just give me a shout when you get in , and I will get you an Awesome brew too
That is a long way to come...
But to be fair , I live in Sheffield area , so I do 148 miles per day too
Sarah
Hi Sarah,
Does that mean I can have free delivery to the door now then? :wink:
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Hi
You guys :laugh: are you all mad.....?
It is at least 10bhp.....
Hey Mike , glad you like it , I am sorry I could not hang about on Saturday.........was on a promise :jumping:
But glad you got it all sorted and managed to get it OK
Great isn`t it when you collect your car with all them bits done?
Glad your happy
Sarah
i will be headed your way soon, armed with money i shouldn't be spending, my £25 Awesome gift voucher and a whiff of discount to take the sting out of the round trip from Cornwalls deepest South? :innocent:
:grin:
always good to meet fellow forum members :happy2: just give me a shout when you get in , and I will get you an Awesome brew too
That is a long way to come...
But to be fair , I live in Sheffield area , so I do 148 miles per day too
Sarah
Hi Sarah,
Does that mean I can have free delivery to the door now then? :wink:
I have always lived there
Worksop I live , junction 31
I have dropped shed loads off before , so yes if you want anything quick.....give me a shout
I dont mind....
Sarah
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....do you pass Cornwall? :chicken:
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always good to meet fellow forum members :happy2: just give me a shout when you get in , and I will get you an Awesome brew too
That is a long way to come...
But to be fair , I live in Sheffield area , so I do 148 miles per day too
Sarah
You are nuts! :grin: Has to be said! I went from Crewe to Leeds today and back again for work. 1 hour 30 minutes there and 2 hours 10 minutes back, it is no wonder I try and get out of every trip that way. Such a horrible journey to make, I have no idea how you do it every day, I have a personal hatred of the M62. :smiley:
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....do you pass Cornwall? :chicken:
i was down at st austall on monday (jewson)
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....do you pass Cornwall? :chicken:
i was down at st austall on monday (jewson)
..correctly pronounced "snozzal" round these ere parts :grin:
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....do you pass Cornwall? :chicken:
i was down at st austall on monday (jewson)
..correctly pronounced "snozzal" round these ere parts :grin:
bless you