MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Homer on April 11, 2011, 05:11:23 pm
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everytime I am on the motorway I always see someone in another hot hatch or similar and it got me thinking which of these cars my car could beat in a race. Anyway I had a look online and it seems most of the other cars seem to have more power, for example the Focus ST 225 bhp, S3 265 BHP. If either of these cars were tuned then they would from what I have read hammer a modified MK5, excluding the ed30. So my question is why have VW only given the MK5 200BHP?? I am not bashing the MK5 in anyway as I do like my car but was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this.
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balance :wink: hence why us lot feck with em :signLOL:
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Just because other hatch's have more power doesn't always mean quicker. The Golf has proved to be quicker round the track than rival cars that have more bhp.
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Speaking to a guy with an Astra VXR last night.
He's been through 3 turbo's in less than a year and a half...
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My mate has a vxr, had a go in it and it torque steers like a pig.
He drove my standard mk5 and says he made the wrong decision :signLOL:
It's not all about headline power
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The mk5 can actually use the power. Was behind a vxr nurburg ring edition which i was gaining on despite him having the extra power, i can only guess he could not get enough grip for te power or his traction control was holding him off.
Did sound good though :ashamed:
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Ahhhhh yes, I remember that legendary thread of the VXR Nurburgring edition guy tanking it on the 'ring :grin:
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Whack!
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/video-vauxhall-astra-vxr-nurburgring-edition-crashes-at-the-nurburgring-ar90248.html
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Whack!
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/video-vauxhall-astra-vxr-nurburgring-edition-crashes-at-the-nurburgring-ar90248.html
I bet that cost him a pretty penny! :scared:
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We had a forum trip the same time that happened. I remember seeing the Astra on the back of the truck driving through Adenau, not a pretty sight!
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everytime I am on the motorway I always see someone in another hot hatch or similar and it got me thinking which of these cars my car could beat in a race. Anyway I had a look online and it seems most of the other cars seem to have more power, for example the Focus ST 225 bhp, S3 265 BHP. If either of these cars were tuned then they would from what I have read hammer a modified MK5, excluding the ed30. So my question is why have VW only given the MK5 200BHP?? I am not bashing the MK5 in anyway as I do like my car but was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this.
Look at the bright side, all the cars mentioned in this thread lose half there value on every year change :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Despite having a stage 1 map available to upload to my car, I've been running it as standard over the past 9 months as it all just feels right - my previous car was a 310bhp scooby, so I do like my power, but whilst the stage 1 is sweet, I find the standard power keeps me more than happy. Wonderfully balanced machine.
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Also take in to consideration just because a car i.e. astra vxr has 240bhp this doesnt make it any quicker than a car with 200bhp. 240bhp is peak performance and may tail of quickly to say 190bhp. And vice versa gti may peak at 200bhp but hold power around 200bhp for alot longer. I think bhp are pub talk and the real truth is on the road as there are some old school civics with not much power but are very quick because they hold there power alot longer than most other cars(when in vtech).
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If the Golf GTI has less power than its rivals it's because Volkswagen design and build it as a great allrounder. The 5-door version in particular truly is a great allrounder and far more so than most of its rivals - The Audi S3 Sportback, another car from the VAG stable, is perhaps the only one which competes (The RS3 is another ball game!). Volkswagen have shown many times that they're not really interested in trying to outperform Fords, Vauxhalls, and Renaults etc - They don't need to.
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Interesting points everyone, Scotsman how did you find the Subaru in comparison to the GTI?
VTECs- I thought these engines were revoluntionary but recently have heard mixed things- anyone care to elaborate the issue with them?
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I think there a pretty cool engine most guys think there pants because of no turbo. Not a big fan of the new type r but the EP3 was imense if driven correctly and if it had the hondata it was in a different league altogether very very fun to drive! Oh and put a blower on them(supercharger) and most supercars would struggle!
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Back on subject! when you get on a track have a go against say a st225 or a vxr and i bet there is nothing in it!
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The point has been made I think,
Let's say a golf gti produces 230hp from 5k to 7k
A ford st produces 250bhp from 6.5 to 7k for example, there is no point having 250bhp for a split second, it's all about the power band,
Haven't had my ed30 for long and do drive sensible, other day whilst on a nice private road in my back garden of a friends uncles sisters boyfriends dads brother in law :smiley: I had trouble with a 156 alfa V6 (wasnt a race of any kind ad it was out of a junction) I just about pulled away :surprised: speeds didn't get silly and I was only to 3rd gear,
But I'd like to see how they compare to the "BIG" machines, my dad has a 2000 impreza 2L turbo (standard) my car feels much faster than that, I just hope these alfas are as fast as they seem other wise summits wrong with eddy :sad1:
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You may be right. Although it says the ST is faster, just look at the lap time at the top :grin:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/comparisons/vw_golf_mk_v_gti-vs-ford_focus_st_facelift.html
A little more noticeable on the Astra VXR (Opel OPC)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/comparisons/opel_astra_opc_05-vs-vw_golf_mk_v_gti.html
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Is the Ed30 a better all rounder than the GTi?
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Dont go by what that site says. I seem to remeber there being a thread on lots of other forums were the figures were very out.
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To add a bit of a view from the other side of the fence, I have an Astra VXR. Now mine is stage 2, I've had it on the rollers and it made 297bhp and well over 300 lbs/ft. I bought it new 3.5 years ago. When standard it did have a hint of torque steer. I feel though that this has been used as a stick to beat the VXR with because Clarkson didn't approve of it. When treated with respect, the stock VXR does handle quite well. I added a set of eibach sportlines and a rear anti roll bar and it now handles quite well in my opinion.
I had a few run ins with Golf GTI's before I started adding the mods and in the real world, the vxr was quicker but only marginally.
Now though, 3.5 years down the line, my £20k VXR is worth about £10.5k, with the mods included. Take it back to standard and I'd probably be lucky to get £10k. For a 57 plate, immaculately looked after VXR with 35k miles on the clock :sick:
The GTI however has held its value well, arguably handles better out of the box, looks better with a few mods and can be quite easily tuned. I want an ED30 but to get 1 the same age and condition as my VXR it will cost me £4-5k more than I can sell my VXR for.
Oh and for the record I'm on my second turbo!
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But for a car which has 40bhp more and it prob would gain max 3 car legnths on a gti. It just goes to show what i said about peak power. But again i find the VRS faster than the GTI. and in the real world it is especially after 100mph.
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I've had quite a few hot hatches :driver: the Civic Type-R EP3 is great, it's really quick and fun to drive. It's all about thrashing it - some love it, some don't.
Had a focus ST next, loads & loads of torque from around 1200rpm right the way through the rev range. Sounds fantastic too, pols and bangs from standard exhaust and a great warble :smiley: then I got scared after reading things on the forum about cylinder linings cracking :sad1: even on standard cars!
Next was a championship White civic type-r (new style). Has LSD as standard :drool: and was fantastic fun to drive. Loads of grip through the corners and no slower than the golf on the straights. A bit too hard core for me in the end. That's when I got the golf. . . .
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Question is which is more fun to drive? !
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Interesting points everyone, Scotsman how did you find the Subaru in comparison to the GTI?
I loved my Subaru's - had three of them over an 11 year period (with a couple Alfa's inbetween!) - and very different cars. The 4x4 in the winter was a godsend and the overall handling was very good too (I had the basic handling upgrades done, uprated drop-links and adjustable rear bar, etc). When the boost came on it really flew (I was running a ported VF35) but I do prefer the daily power of my standard golf. It just feels more lively all the time and more of a 'sports' car. The Subaru was very safe and very fast but the golf feels more special. I think the interior has a lot to do with that too - I went from a pretty basic Impreza to a fully loaded Golf with all the toys.
I'll always be a big Subaru fan but loving the 5 door MkV I have and currently struggle to see what else can give me the driving fun and the practicality for the same price point.
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coming from the EP3 Type R to the Golf, they are totaly diffrent cars,
i must admit i do miss the balls out of the Honda it was only 246 BHP NA so the golf would leave it behind but it always put a smile on my face.
The golf on the other hand is a much more balanced car ( i just cant wait to get it tuned) :driver: :signLOL:
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The reason the mk5 gti only had 200bhp was to bring the golf model range in line, if the BHP was any higher it would encroach on r32 sales and and there would be no room for the ed 30 to sit between them nicely in the hp stakes !
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Question is which is more fun to drive? !
The championship White civic- when your in the mood. For every day driving the golf is much easier to drive. :happy2:
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The reason the mk5 gti only had 200bhp was to bring the golf model range in line, if the BHP was any higher it would encroach on r32 sales and and there would be no room for the ed 30 to sit between them nicely in the hp stakes !
....And I think this is also why VW make it so difficult for aftermarket tuners to crack their ECU codes - It's much cheaper to remap than to buy the next model up.