MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Rob GTI on April 13, 2011, 02:29:30 pm
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Nothing to do with GTIs here. I was in the wife’s cars a Nissan X Trail :fighting: driving down an A road today, there was a 17year old Astra in front of me driving quite slowly. The road opens out into a long stretch you can see at least a mile ahead, nothing oncoming, so I mirror, indicate pull out to overtake. As i start to pull past the car it swerves onto the other side of the road causing me to hit the brakes hard :stupid: The car then pulls back into it’s lane and I complete the manoeuvre. A couple of miles later I'm waiting at a set of light, he pulls up behind. Furious at nearly being wiped out I get out and ask him to look where he's going only to get told not drive like a maniac and that he was serving to avoid a duck on the road and that I should have seen the duck in front of him. :surprised:
Maniac - i did everything in the highway code, I was even 5 mph under the speed limit (those X trails ain't quick)
Rant over - had to get it off my chest.
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you did everything right... except get out of your car to confront the other driver
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you did everything right... except get out of your car to confront the other driver
I know I shouldn't have got out but as he nearly forced me off the road I was pissed off. I only got out hoping he'd apologise instead he got shirty with me which made me even more annoyed. Obviously didn't work out to well.
On reflection though it could have gone a lot worse he could of got out of his motor with a big stick /knife / gun etc
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I generally treat everyone else on the road as learner drivers.....which is why I rant quite a bit :grin:
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Yeah I've come across some silly drivers who do silly things for no apparent reason. My current bugbear is drivers who don't seem to know what the national speed limit sign means. There's a route to work that I sometimes take. It starts off as a 40mph road, turns into a NSL dual single carriage way and then turns into a 30mph road. There are a lot of drivers who drive at 40mph and then stay at that speed throughthe NSL section. They then seem to get pissed off when I legitimately overtake them. Worse still, these drivers remain at 40mph when the speed limit reduces to 30mph! :stupid:
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I would of told him to hit the dam duck, and could of been a cheap meal for him :fighting:
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I was taught to run animals over :signLOL:
Sounds harsh but never put an animal before your life.
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I come across a complete idiot of a women today,
The road I was on goes from a 2 lane road down to a single road with traffic lights at either end I wait at my side for the light to go green there was nothing on the other said...So once the light went green I set off and this stupid div in a newish fiesta came flying through, she actually acknowledged me but kept coming through doing around 50 mph(road is a 30) I had to stop in the middle(the stretch of road is about 500yr) she wasn't going to reverse and I pointed up at the lights and mouthed that they was on green, she just shrugged her shoulders.
To cut a long story short I reversed I needed to get some where in a hurry so let her through but I was fuming :fighting:
I'm sorry if this sounds sexist but I thing women drivers especially younger ones are very arrogant drivers and are getting faster.
Darren
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My pet hate is people going from single to dual carriage and getting straight into the right hand lane when the left is free! Reasly frustrates me, I was always taught to keep left where possible but some people must feel more European driving on the right! :fighting:
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I hate that too but what's worse is if you undertake them whilst doing the speed limit (because they're going too slowly for no reason in the right lane), they'll flash their lights at you!
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^^^ illegal no? More dangerous than the other car driving slower than you want to drive me thinks :surprised:
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^^^ illegal no? More dangerous than the other car driving slower than you want to drive me thinks :surprised:
So what would be better? Sit behind at 40mph on a single carriageway at the national speed limit (60mph)? Dry roads, good visibility, no obstructions - there was no good reason why that guy should be doing 40mph on a 60mph. Given I was next to him, I had the same view!
The highway code does talk about making good progress and not undily holding up other traffic. People have been pulled over by police for driving too slowly.
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Nothing personal, but I was merely stating you undertaking was illegal and dangerous
Someone in your example staying to the right agreed would be frustrating and discourteous but doesn't justify passing them on the left
There's no law to say you have to drive as fast as the speed limit, just not exceed it
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Driving up to Manchester on the M6 Northbound middle lane around 1am last year and a transit bombs it straight past me around 100mph as I was doing 80.
The driver gains a good 100 yards on me and moves into the central lane then I hear a loud whack across my windscreen thinking he threw something out of his window.
Really pee'd me off and then sh*t myself as sparks starts flying out from his right rear wheel, skids to the left lane across to the right and then coming to halt on the hard shoulder.
Idiot almost flipped his van over. :fighting:
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Nothing personal, but I was merely stating you undertaking was illegal and dangerous
What would you have done? Stayed behind him for the entire time he was there? What if it was a 10-mile stretch of road? A 50-mile stretch of road?
Undertaking him in the specific circumstances I was in was not dangerous. It was a quick undertake and I resumed the journey without problems. For him to remain at 40mph needlessly is far more dangerous as it incites risky behaviour in other drivers.
I don't normally undertake because generally it's not normally needed. The only time I do it routinely is on the motorway, where the signs tell you to stay in your lane and the max speed limit is say 50mph. Given that everyone is doing similar speeds, undertaking can occur without much deliberation - all it takes is one car in another lane to slow a tad (even by 1mph) for other vehicles to undertake.
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If I overtake I do so on the right and legally, our driving styles are different. If I am being held up then so be it, if I can safely overtake and feel the need to I would.
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nothing wrong with undertaking if you remain in your lane, it is when you change lane to undertake issues arise so just have to be careful how you do it.
ie you are on a three lane motorway - you are in lane one, there is a car in lane 2 and the lane 3 is empty - if you are travelling at say 70mph in lane 1 and the car in lane 2 is going 60mph you can continue to pass him in lane 1
if your been undertaken regularly then your simply in the wrong lane and driving with out due care and attention
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I do a lot of miles and this is easily my biggest frustration with other drivers, i can normally count 10 to 15 middle lane dreamer's on each trip, it used to wind me up so much, i would think about just barging them back into the inside. :laugh:
It still annoys me, but i found a way to ease my frustration. As you say you cant undertake so what i do is pull up right along side them in the first lane and just stay there right along side them as long as i can i always keep looking straight ahead, and if we come up on vehicles that need overtaking, i just slot in behind them then start the process again. I find it makes them uncomfortable and makes them think about what they are doing, rather than being aggressive with them, and having them think it's me who is the nutter. Yes they will carry on doing it because they have little understanding of reading traffic flow and conditions, but it makes me feel better and stops me from knocking them off the road, Mad Max stylee. :driver:
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40 everywhere drivers do my nut in too, especially on country roads. they will poddle along at 40 in a 60 so you overtake them at a safe opportunity then you come to a village where the limit is 30 and slow down to respect it, before you know it you have the car you just overtook on your arse as they continue doing 40 through the village :stupid:
middle lane hoggers and these morons are part of the reason I really only drive early weekend mornings now :driver:
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I don't normally undertake because generally it's not normally needed. The only time I do it routinely is on the motorway
i stress i'm not making this personal i assure you, but just to add some education to the matter and to demonstrate the illegality of your driving style:
the law does state:
- only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
- stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left
so unless your in a queue on the motorway you are breaking the law, likewise on a single or dual A/B road unless the vehicle in front is leaving the road via a right turn you are also breaking the law.
Being held up like i've said can be frustrating but its merely that.
With regards to people driving too slowly this mainly relates to bigger vehicles and necessity, the law states:
- Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.
The highway code and traffic law is something maybe from time to time people should refresh themselves with :happy2:
hope this has helped
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The middle lane hoggers on motorways are ridiculous now adays its almost like people have forgotten the whole pre-tense of a multi carriageway road, it isn't for slow medium and fast vehicles it is a single carriageway with over-taking lanes. I have seen people join a motorway driving at 60 and immediately pull across from the empty inside lane into the middle lane its just ridiculous and cause massive traffic flow issues on the over-crowded UK motorway system.
I can completely understand what Stealth is saying and I have been guilty of under-taking on motorways in situations other than those Jack Rabbit has mentioned as strictly legal. The only alternative is often a brisk move from Inside lane to outside lane and back again which presents its own safety issues on a busy motorway especially when they "middle lane dreamers" all seem to travel around in little packs following each other. :fighting:
In those circumstances where I am prevented from pulling across to over-take the middle lane car or will have to brake on the motorway in such a way that can cause others to negatively react I will stay in lane and undertake the car but I am always on edge and alert that they might decide to make a manoeuvre without correctly checking their mirrors.
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Yeah I've come across some silly drivers who do silly things for no apparent reason. My current bugbear is drivers who don't seem to know what the national speed limit sign means. There's a route to work that I sometimes take. It starts off as a 40mph road, turns into a NSL dual single carriage way and then turns into a 30mph road. There are a lot of drivers who drive at 40mph and then stay at that speed throughthe NSL section. They then seem to get pissed off when I legitimately overtake them. Worse still, these drivers remain at 40mph when the speed limit reduces to 30mph! :stupid:
this is my major bugbear - people who think that driving at 40mph is ok everywhere. When they enter a 30 zone they just carry on - do they not realise they are now going 10mph over the speed limit and that if they do hit a kid they are a lot more likely to kill them that at 30-33 :stupid:
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If I overtake I do so on the right and legally, our driving styles are different. If I am being held up then so be it, if I can safely overtake and feel the need to I would.
You make it sound like I only ever undertake.
i stress i'm not making this personal i assure you
And yet you misquote me:
I don't normally undertake because generally it's not normally needed. The only time I do it routinely is on the motorway
- stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left
This is where I normally undertake on the motorway. At all other times, if needed, I will overtake.
If I haven't stressed it enough, I'll do it again. I do not normally undertake. I will where necessary eg car in right lane is waiting to turn right. I will undertake when in heavy traffic and my lane moves faster than those on the right. I have never had points on my license nor do I intend to.
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I've long come to the realisation that people don't know what this sign means:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv55%2Fstealthwolf%2FNSLsign.jpg&hash=ed7349bb66fadd3501798883c4c67bdff3e10bbb)
One day, I may decide to fit something that can fire HEIAP rounds so I can get rid of middle lane hoggers and stay in the left lane! :grin:
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I dont just think its that sign, its most of them they've forgot aswell as most of the highway code... My main bug bears are, middle lane hoggers, people who you go to overtake who speed up as you get alongside them and finally people who don't say thanks
I have noticed its normally in and around major towns and cities people forget to drive
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My pet hate is people in the outside lane of a dual carriageway going no quicker than those in the left lane. If you're in the right lane, over take, dont sit there like a moron.
Its especially frustrating when going over a roundabout, people exit in the right hand lane, then spend about 10 minutes sitting there before finally deciding to pull over. does my nut.
had that the other day, single lane road onto a roundabout, dual carriageway the other side for 500 yards, stuck behind some moron of a women in an Audi A2 (dreadful car, says it all really). i thought ooo great, i can despatch her and get on with my day instead of sitting behind her as if i have all the time in the world. she gets to the dual carriageway, only for her to exit in the right hand lane(why, there's no one else around!!!), and then stays there all the way to the traffic lights at the end. i nearly hit the roof! lol
shouldn't be on the road. completely oblivious to what she's doing.