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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: rich83 on April 15, 2011, 10:29:25 pm

Title: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: rich83 on April 15, 2011, 10:29:25 pm
Ok.. here goes!

One of the LEDs has broken on my nixie clock.

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Ive measured the voltage across the legs of the diodes. All measure 2.7-2.8V apart from the one that broken with reads about 1.4V.

Does this mean that its not illuminating becuase the voltage is too low, or is the low voltage reading a result of the broken diode?

Thanks
Rich
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: Hedge on April 15, 2011, 10:34:24 pm
Sounds like it's not illuminating because the voltage is too low.
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: rich83 on April 15, 2011, 10:47:53 pm
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Hmmm... i just dont see why its not getting the voltage. As you can see they are all connected up in parallel so if one wasn't working due to a voltage problem i would imagine none of them would work.

 Need to take it to bits properly tomorrow to check for dry joints.
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: PDT on April 15, 2011, 10:58:27 pm
Are you measuring the voltage with the diode still connected? If so, disconnect the diode and measure voltage.
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: rich83 on April 15, 2011, 10:59:22 pm
Yes the diode is still connected up.
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: Hedge on April 15, 2011, 11:02:27 pm
If it's the blue LED then it could just be the diode that's failed.
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: rich83 on April 15, 2011, 11:04:50 pm
Hedge.. D11-D16 on that diagram are the LEDs
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: PDT on April 15, 2011, 11:06:04 pm
In that case its the diode pulling the voltage down.
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: cmdrfire on April 15, 2011, 11:06:46 pm
Do you have a multimeter?
What resistance do you measure across the resistor? Check also for conduction across the LED if you have multimeter that can do diodes.

Unlikely to be an LED failed unless it's been subject to high temperature for an excessive time while you were soldering (which can result in an eventual failure); more likely cause is a dry joint I'd guess.

edited 'cos i didn't see you measured voltage across the LED
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: Hedge on April 15, 2011, 11:10:54 pm
Hedge.. D11-D16 on that diagram are the LEDs

I know.  :wink:
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: rich83 on April 15, 2011, 11:20:44 pm
Do you have a multimeter?
What resistance do you measure across the resistor? Check also for conduction across the LED if you have multimeter that can do diodes.

Unlikely to be an LED failed unless it's been subject to high temperature for an excessive time while you were soldering (which can result in an eventual failure); more likely cause is a dry joint I'd guess.

edited 'cos i didn't see you measured voltage across the LED

Tested all LEDs with the Diode setting. The one that is broken gives a reading about  300... the working ones read 1500ish

Sorry hedge... internetz missunderstanding!  :smiley:

Rich
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 15, 2011, 11:29:59 pm
im no electronics guru, i do big power, but ive dabbled with elctronics at Uni, id bet its as PDT says,  to much heat cause and a poor connection/solder issue and will cause a volt drop over that diode.  
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: cmdrfire on April 16, 2011, 12:16:43 am
Do you have a multimeter?
What resistance do you measure across the resistor? Check also for conduction across the LED if you have multimeter that can do diodes.

Unlikely to be an LED failed unless it's been subject to high temperature for an excessive time while you were soldering (which can result in an eventual failure); more likely cause is a dry joint I'd guess.

edited 'cos i didn't see you measured voltage across the LED

Tested all LEDs with the Diode setting. The one that is broken gives a reading about  300... the working ones read 1500ish

Sorry hedge... internetz missunderstanding!  :smiley:

Rich

Solution replace LED :P
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: JackG on April 16, 2011, 07:41:09 am
Ok, what the hell is that clock all about??? I want one......but there expensive! Seem to be half built on eBay? Why does it look so funny??  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: rich83 on April 16, 2011, 10:58:00 am
Thank neo.  :happy2: Must have just been a dodgy component.

JackG... What the hells is it all about??? Its a clock!  :signLOL:  (i saw cmdrfires and had to have one)




Rich
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: alexperkins on April 16, 2011, 11:02:22 am
I want one  :party:
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: JackG on April 16, 2011, 02:32:07 pm
What a strange clock!............ I want one  :party:
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: cmdrfire on April 17, 2011, 02:28:17 pm
I enjoy going to sleep in the fading afterglow of the Soviet Union...

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.static.flickr.com%2F5010%2F5328588238_b960624b04_b.jpg&hash=c1250a580b714f82f4b4807fae0a3e6b7024f52c) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmdrfire/5328588238/)
nixie (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmdrfire/5328588238/) by CmdrFire (http://www.flickr.com/people/cmdrfire/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: cmdrfire on April 17, 2011, 02:33:36 pm
On a historical note, Nixies were invented for numerical displays prior the advent of so-called "Numitron" tubes (an evacuated tube containing a number of tungsten filaments of the sort found in lightbulb), which themselves were used prior to the common availability of LED 8-segment displays for numerical indication.

Nixies are tubes filled with neon gas with multiple cathodes, each in the shape of a different digit. They're quite detailed and finely made works of art. Although Western production had largely ceased by the 70s, the USSR kept producing them all the way until the fall of the Iron Curtain. Most of the IN-8 tubes (which are used on my clock and on Rich's clock) were produced in the 80s. What's especially interesting is the driver for the Nixie tubes are solid state microelectronics, also produced by the USSR, which leads to an interesting juxtaposition of the 50s-era tubes being controlled by (relatively) modern electronics.
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: rich83 on April 22, 2011, 11:49:19 pm
LED swapped and working!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: damoegan on April 23, 2011, 12:17:06 am
We need new pics then, Rich  :happy2:
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: MJR on April 23, 2011, 12:32:45 am
I want one  :party:

x2

What a really cool gadget!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Electronics Gurus!
Post by: rich83 on April 23, 2011, 01:34:36 pm
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There you go... all working!

I still dont understand something though. With the broken LED in place i touched the legs of it with the new LED (effectively putting it in parallel) and it wouldnt light up. However once i had snipped the led legs to repeat the test the LED lit up. :confused:

Rich