MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: heavyd on April 17, 2011, 09:26:54 am
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Hello folks, I just moved from a pdt stage 2 to shark performance stage 3. It is better than the stage 2 map, but not up there with the Revo.
I did some data loggng, and the timing pull is better than the other maps that I had at this level, but the rail pressure is lower, and the requested boost is only the same level of bluefin, but less than Revo. I know that shark prefer to do safer maps, and I asked them the reason for the lower fuel pressure, and was told that it makes no diference. I also put their stage 1 map on to try, and must admit its a nice map, if anyone is thinking about getting a remap!
What is peoples views on the logs?
Thanks in advance for any info :happy2:
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Would have liked to see AFR too.
Looks ok but I would have prefered more boost low down as thats when you use it for every day driving. Practically no timing pull which is good and fuel pressure stays close to requested.
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This was an alledged tweaked map I got this morning. looks the same, but I loggged the AFR with this one
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Sometimes too much boost low down will only result in wheelspin and actually make you slower through going nowhere. But everyone likes their car to drive differently as we all have different preferences.
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Sometimes too much boost low down will only result in wheelspin and actually make you slower through going nowhere. But everyone likes their car to drive differently as we all have different preferences.
Like you say everyone's different but the previous map was tame low down. The new one looks a lot better IMO with just a tad of timing pull but not bad at all, Maybe a little lean at low rpm but not bad :happy2:
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I had a good drive about today, the car is rapid, even compared to what it was with teh stage 2 map. Will be interesting to see how it fairs at next months RR day at rs tuning :happy2:
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I think your car's had more maps than Ordnance Survey. :signLOL:
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Sometimes too much boost low down will only result in wheelspin and actually make you slower through going nowhere. But everyone likes their car to drive differently as we all have different preferences.
thats a fair point, when i had my vRS mapped i asked for more low down grunt and was told he could if i really wanted it, but it'd be wasted in wheel spin especially in the wet.
I had a good drive about today, the car is rapid, even compared to what it was with teh stage 2 map. Will be interesting to see how it fairs at next months RR day at rs tuning :happy2:
Hows it feel to the Bluefin/REVO stage 2+.
I think your car's had more maps than Ordnance Survey. :signLOL:
:grin:
@HeavyD
it might be a slightly tamed down map as its been mailed, another option could be to go to his HQ at some point and let him map it in person. We spent a few hours logging and adjusting my vRS until i was happy. Im booked in for the whole afternoon on wednesday with him for my fabia as well
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I think your car's had more maps than Ordnance Survey. :signLOL:
Some people like buying new alloy wheel, my fetish is remaps :jumpmove: :popcornsoda:
After todays play about, I would say better than bluefin definetly, very close to revo, bearing in mind when I had REVO, the road conditions were bad, and most of the time all I got was wheelspin, so who knows.
Think I might need a WALK kit and some engine mounts, as trying to get power down in low gears can be hard :stupid:
Like I said before, I put the stage 1 map on aswell before I went to stage 3, and that was impressive aswell.
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Just out of curiosity what made you change from the PDT Map to Shark?
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so thats a bargain, you have 2 maps for the price of one there :party: :party:
Even if its slightly less powerful than REVO, if the delivery allows it to be more tractable then i think its better. Also bear in mind you REVO caused you no end of EMLs.
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PDT was only stage 2. I had sold my autotech internals when I had that installed
I then bought an APR HPFP afterwards, and was waiting for PDT to develop a stage 3, which never materialised, so joined a group buy and got a good deal on the shark performance remap
so thats a bargain, you have 2 maps for the price of one there :party: :party:
Even if its slightly less powerful than REVO, if the delivery allows it to be more tractable then i think its better. Also bear in mind you REVO caused you no end of EMLs.
Make that 5 remaps, shark stage 1, stage 3, custom stage 3, PDTuning stage 2, and a stock map, all at my disposal on my desktop pc :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
I would have stayed with REVO if it hadnt had issues with my car. I wasnt prepared to keep on replacing parts until one actually got rid of the engine light. I know BDM Alex had changed allsorts on an S3 with the same fault, and he never got to teh bottom of the problem, and I didnt want to go down that route
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I had the same, shark stage1, 2 and 3, with stock and bluefin stage 2+, and an Imobilser map
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Forgot about the immobilized, make it 6 maps :happy2:
The sts also works as a fault code reader aswell, which is an added bonus
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me personally i think stage 1 and 2 are fine to be done via a handset like bluefin or the STS, thats obviously helped further with the end user being able to log his car and ask for adjustments if required. I think stage 3 ideally should be done at the HQ as its the absolute max the engine will go.
That said Timmyboys vRS made v.good figures off his shark stage 3 map on JKMs rollers and that was done via the STS and not shark HQ, so maybe its just me lol.
HeavyD have you logged your MAF?
If you log your MAF and then graph it in Excel charts. You need to Divide the MAF figures by 0.8 with the results in a separate column. use the X-Y scatter graph, put the RPM on the X axis, and the MAF/0.8 on the Y axis. this should be a rough guide of the output.
I did this with the shark stage 1 and it was pretty accurate when compared to the rolling road,
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Logs show there is plenty if headroom left there for more power with more ignition advance, need to get it on a dyno and see if more advance helps, possibly its at MBT already (minimum best timing). This is the one area of mapping thats impossible to get right without dyno testing.
Glad you got a stg3 that works for yoy Dom, I gave up developing our stg2+ as no matter how much time I put into it it wasnt as good as Revo.
If you and Shark want to ever test any changes to the map with dyno tesing and logging you are more than welcome to book some tuning time :happy2:
Dave@PDT
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Yep, I know dyno time helps development a lot. The last map that shark sent had loads of extra timing put into it, he thought I would be getting 4-6 on the timing pull with it, and was quite suprised when it only yeilded 1.5, and there is lot of 'actual' boost there, and suprisingly enough its only running max of 121 bar of fuel rail pressure, and its still running rich somehow?
Just spoke to shark, and theyre writing another map for my car. Thanks for the offer for dyno time Dave, but shark prefered me to wait until the Rs tuning RR day to see what the figures are like.
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Just gets better!
Did my dailycommute to work, the most mpg I ever got on this trip with the stage 2 pdt map was 31.2mpg.
I took it easy today with the new map cos of traffic, and got 39.7mpg! Not bad out a stage 3 remap :jumpmove:
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another bonus :grin:
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Sure you didnt flash a diesel map onto the ecu by mistake :signLOL:
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that would make a diesel map faster than yours then :P
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Sure you didnt flash a diesel map onto the ecu by mistake :signLOL:
Is that a hint of jealousy there Dave? They prefered me to go to rs tuning in case you tried to sneak a peek at the best K04 stage 3 map in existence Dave. If carlsberg did remaps....................... :signLOL:
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the best K04 stage 3 map in existence Dave. If carlsberg did remaps....................... :signLOL:
:drinking: I'm flattered :wink:
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the best K04 stage 3 map in existence Dave. If carlsberg did remaps....................... :signLOL:
:drinking: I'm flattered :wink:
You're welcome :happy2:
Any sign of the retuned map Ben? :wink:
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Sure you didnt flash a diesel map onto the ecu by mistake :signLOL:
They prefered me to go to rs tuning in case you tried to sneak a peek at the best stage 3 map in existance :signLOL:
Damn, my evil plan has been thwarted :sad1:
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Ben, I have emailed you some nice map protection software :happy2:
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Is that a hint of jealousy there Dave? They prefered me to go to rs tuning in case you tried to sneak a peek at the best K04 stage 3 map in existence Dave. If carlsberg did remaps....................... :signLOL:
Any sign of the retuned map Ben? :wink:
:signLOL:
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Is that a hint of jealousy there Dave? They prefered me to go to rs tuning in case you tried to sneak a peek at the best K04 stage 3 map in existence Dave. If carlsberg did remaps....................... :signLOL:
Any sign of the retuned map Ben? :wink:
:signLOL:
:grin: :grin:
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Any sign of the retuned map Ben? :wink:
On its way now :happy2:
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Ben, I have emailed you some nice map protection software :happy2:
Not got an email that I can find mate?
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no idea why i clicked thanks, was meant to click reply. :rolleye:
Ben can you see if my missus has left the keys in the passenger door of the fabia please. she cant find them anywhere.
Sy :happy2:
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no idea why i clicked thanks, was meant to click reply. :rolleye:
Ben can you see if my missus has left the keys in the passenger door of the fabia please. she cant find them anywhere.
Sy :happy2:
Lost your phone as well? :confused:
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text and phoned to no avail
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text and phoned to no avail
You need to change your tuner to one who cares for his customers, if my tuner did not answer his phone, he would be up for the high jump. :evilgrin:
have you tried one of these more reliable tuners who answer their phone.
REVO.
Superchips.
Jabba. :jumpmove:
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text and phoned to no avail
You need to change your tuner to one who cares for his customers, if my tuner did not answer his phone, he would be up for the high jump. :evilgrin:
have you tried one of these more reliable tuners who answer their phone.
REVO.
Superchips.
Jabba. :jumpmove:
hes got my car though and hes 200 mile away :laugh:
If i phoned revo for my keys id be told there was a boost leak
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So he his running reckless round the country in your wifes car. :chicken:
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So he his running reckless round the country in your wifes car. :chicken:
Well he's developing a stage 1 and 2 map for it, if thats what you mean. I told him he can have it for the next 7-8weeks if he needs it that long. We have his audi A4 quattro as runner for the minute, I dont need it anyway, i have works vehicle for the next 7-8 weeks whilst im working down in plymouth
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text and phoned to no avail
You need to change your tuner to one who cares for his customers, if my tuner did not answer his phone, he would be up for the high jump. :evilgrin:
have you tried one of these more reliable tuners who answer their phone.
REVO.
Superchips.
Jabba. :jumpmove:
You forgot the forerunners in Vag specialist tuning, paramount performance :signLOL:
Any sign of the retuned map Ben? :wink:
On its way now :happy2:
Thanks Ben, hope it doesnt go missing on the interweb like that map protection software :surprised:
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You forgot the forerunners in Vag specialist tuning, paramount performance :signLOL:
:grin:
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You forgot the forerunners in Vag specialist tuning, paramount performance :signLOL:
I thought that was Custard Clown :chicken: :confused: :signLOL:
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you must have missed the recent thread. |think its been deleted, it was a good un
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What thread?
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What thread?
exactly, its no longer on here, or at least i cant find it
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Are you on about the paramount performance one?
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What thread?
exactly, its no longer on here, or at least i cant find it
It has gone.
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Got the last stage 3 map off Ben, just a quick question for those in the know, is the AFR supposed to be as high when coming off the throttle? as it rises to 29.9?
Picked up a passenger whilst data logging aswell! didnt stand much of a chance at 6000rpm!
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Totally normal for the AFR to do that Dom.
Im on the phone to the rspb now to report your cruelty.