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All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Sat Nav and Car Audio => Topic started by: DaveR77 on April 26, 2011, 01:42:53 pm

Title: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on April 26, 2011, 01:42:53 pm: I've just put a deposit down on an Edition 30 (Jan 2007) and want to buy an RNS510 version C. I assume my car will need a newer CAN to avoid any problems, which version should I get
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 26, 2011, 01:50:15 pm: this one is the newest one on ebay.de atm, but i have the AH revision (made in march 2010)

http://cgi.ebay.de/Audi-Steuergerat-Gateway-1K0-907-530-AF-Gateway-Temic-/130504976331?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1e62b3e7cb
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on April 26, 2011, 01:55:03 pm: cheers, is L the lowest needed for the RNS, best check what I have first before ordering a new one!
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 02:31:09 pm: K is the lowest needed not L, though not all Ks are suitable.

Its likely yours will already have a K

Youll need to scan your CAN Gateway with VCDS and post up the SW and HW revisions of it.

Mine had a K and it was absolutely fine.
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 26, 2011, 02:34:39 pm: Quote from: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 02:31:09 pm
K is the lowest needed not L, though not all Ks are suitable.

Its likely yours will already have a K

Youll need to scan your CAN Gateway with VCDS and post up the SW and HW revisions of it.

Mine had a K and it was absolutely fine.

I had a K in mine and it wasn't fine :wink:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 02:35:12 pm: What build month was yours danish?
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 26, 2011, 03:23:44 pm: Quote from: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 02:35:12 pm
What build month was yours danish?

12 month 2005 :smiley:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 03:26:39 pm: Ah early then

2007 cars are generally ok on a K :happy2:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: RagingKileak on April 26, 2011, 03:28:35 pm: I'm also wondering about this whole CAN Gateway thing. I have a 2007 Ed 30 (dunno what build or exact month as I am at work) and I want to be sure I won't get stupid issues following fitting BT and RNS510 etc.

Don't have any way of scanning though, sigh.

Where does the CAN Gateway live? Is it a DIY swap or need coding/hard to locate?

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on April 26, 2011, 03:31:18 pm: Right, bought the RNS, i'll give it a go before changing the CAN
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 03:32:14 pm: Can Gateway is hidden behind the relay/fuse box.

Accessible by removing the wiper motor and the access panel beneath it
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: Resonance on April 26, 2011, 05:30:06 pm: Quote from: DaveR77 on April 26, 2011, 03:31:18 pm
Right, bought the RNS, i'll give it a go before changing the CAN

My eyes are stuck to this thread, I have a Feb 2007 Edition 30 and want to upgrade to a RNS510 at some point and this thread should answer my question about the CAN gateway issues :laugh:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: vRStu on April 26, 2011, 05:38:24 pm: Quote from: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 03:32:14 pm
Can Gateway is hidden behind the relay/fuse box.

Accessible by removing the wiper motor and the access panel beneath it

Do you take the back wheels off when you top up the oil or is it just CAN gateways you like to take your time over :evilgrin:

The Gateway is accessible from inside the car. :happy2:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: apollo13 on April 26, 2011, 05:39:47 pm: Quote from: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 03:32:14 pm
Can Gateway is hidden behind the relay/fuse box.

Accessible by removing the wiper motor and the access panel beneath it

Or just get to it above the pedals.....

Unless you have an early car and then they're sometimes behind the ashtray/cubby area.

EDIT-Stu beat me to it :signLOL:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on April 26, 2011, 05:49:57 pm: Quote from: Resonance on April 26, 2011, 05:30:06 pm
Quote from: DaveR77 on April 26, 2011, 03:31:18 pm
Right, bought the RNS, i'll give it a go before changing the CAN

My eyes are stuck to this thread, I have a Feb 2007 Edition 30 and want to upgrade to a RNS510 at some point and this thread should answer my question about the CAN gateway issues :laugh:

I'll let you know, probably won't get the unit til next week thanks to the wedding so i'll fit it next weekend
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 06:15:15 pm: Quote from: vRStu on April 26, 2011, 05:38:24 pm
Quote from: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 03:32:14 pm
Can Gateway is hidden behind the relay/fuse box.

Accessible by removing the wiper motor and the access panel beneath it

Do you take the back wheels off when you top up the oil or is it just CAN gateways you like to take your time over :evilgrin:

The Gateway is accessible from inside the car. :happy2:

Id have given you £50 quid if you could get to my can gateway. Some retard had cable tied it to the back of where the access plate is

There was absolutely no way in hell I could have got in there, be it from the top or via the pedals - believe me I tried.

I dont take the wheels off for oil top ups, but I take the exhaust off when I change the spark plugs though :signLOL:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: Eddie-NL on April 26, 2011, 09:25:13 pm: Quote from: apollo13 on April 26, 2011, 05:39:47 pm
Quote from: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 03:32:14 pm
Can Gateway is hidden behind the relay/fuse box.

Accessible by removing the wiper motor and the access panel beneath it

Or just get to it above the pedals.....

Unless you have an early car and then they're sometimes behind the ashtray/cubby area.

EDIT-Stu beat me to it :signLOL:
On some cars it is near the bulkhead
http://www.r32oc.com/tutorials-guides/30166-canbus-gateway-location-removal.html
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: vRStu on April 26, 2011, 09:28:33 pm: I can get to it from the front even in that location, not easy granted but less hassle than going in through the scuttle.
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: SteveP on April 30, 2011, 02:15:36 pm: What HW and SW versions on a K gateway have been proven to work?

Got a car with the following version : -

Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 K HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533__Gateway H04 0020
Revision: H04 02 Serial number: 060107F1001787
Coding: 3F3F034007001003
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 2F69457DC5DD

No fault code found.
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 05, 2011, 06:11:07 pm: Quote from: alexperkins on April 26, 2011, 02:31:09 pm
K is the lowest needed not L, though not all Ks are suitable.

Its likely yours will already have a K

Youll need to scan your CAN Gateway with VCDS and post up the SW and HW revisions of it.

Mine had a K and it was absolutely fine.

Mine is the following - same as SteveP

Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 K HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: J533__Gateway H04 0020
   Revision: H04 02 Serial number: 281106F1001231
   Coding: 3F0F034007000001
   Shop #: WSC 01287 785 00200
   VCID: 2F671974C78D
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on May 05, 2011, 06:47:55 pm: I believe you have to have HW with a 21 signature for it to work - thats what mine had and it was a later K revision

Whats the build date of yours?

Best thing to do is try it and see
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 05, 2011, 07:03:33 pm: Jan 07, not gonna do any harm trying :scared:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on May 05, 2011, 07:05:47 pm: You *might* be ok, but its possible you wont be as March 07 was when the later K units were installed

Worth a shot :happy2:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 05, 2011, 07:14:23 pm: Are there any other signs apart from draining the battery, I think I read it switches itself off randomly too?
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on May 05, 2011, 07:22:58 pm: Symptoms....

It wont show the Welcome to Volkswagen boot screen after it has booted the first time
It'll drain the battery
It can randomly restart
It can also switch off
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 06, 2011, 09:02:17 am: Gonna buy one to save the hassle, is AH the latest? How much are they from the dealer?
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: danishmkvgti on May 06, 2011, 09:06:01 am: Quote from: DaveR77 on May 06, 2011, 09:02:17 am
Gonna buy one to save the hassle, is AH the latest? How much are they from the dealer?

To expensive from the dealer, in Denmark i was quoted 150£ for one, about half price on ebay.de :smiley:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 06, 2011, 09:42:13 am: The AA+ ones are about £110 in delivery on ebay.de at the moment
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on May 06, 2011, 11:07:22 am: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CANGATEWAY-1K0907530AA-CAN-GATEWAY-RNS-510-RCD-510-/170601532805?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_GPSSystems_GPSSystems&hash=item27b8a4cd85#ht_3131wt_1141 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CANGATEWAY-1K0907530AA-CAN-GATEWAY-RNS-510-RCD-510-/170601532805?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_GPSSystems_GPSSystems&hash=item27b8a4cd85#ht_3131wt_1141)

When I ordered that, I received a 7N0 variant which is out the new EOS and is bang up to date

Remember, you only need a gateway newer than a K so an L onwards will work a treat. Theres little advantage to having the latest revision in our cars
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 06, 2011, 12:37:50 pm: ta, ordered one of those, dealer said £158 for an AF, AH wasn't on his system
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on May 06, 2011, 12:44:38 pm: You will need 10.6.3 or higher VCDS to code this gateway btw just to make you aware :happy2: These are the newer gateways that user the Installation List instead of Long Coding to set the configured options
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 06, 2011, 12:54:56 pm: Yep, I've got the latest VCDS :happy2:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on May 06, 2011, 01:06:41 pm: Then its happy days :wink:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 07, 2011, 10:51:29 am: Quote from: alexperkins on May 05, 2011, 07:22:58 pm
Symptoms....

It wont show the Welcome to Volkswagen boot screen after it has booted the first time
It'll drain the battery
It can randomly restart
It can also switch off

OK, RNS is fitted and working :happy2:

Should it show the welcome screen everytime I turn it on? It doesn't at the moment
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: SteveP on May 07, 2011, 10:52:27 am: Only after 1 hour of the ignition being off, my revision K gateway appears to be working fine.
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 07, 2011, 10:54:39 am: Quote from: SteveP on May 07, 2011, 10:52:27 am
Only after 1 hour of the ignition being off, my revision K gateway appears to be working fine.

cheers, so if I go back in an hour or so and it shows the welcome screen it should be okay?
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 07, 2011, 12:29:41 pm: Well it showed the welcome screen :happy2: fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 07, 2011, 02:04:50 pm: Does anyone know what setting I need to set in VCDS to get Nav on the MFD? I've added Navigation (37) to the CAN gateway, I thought that was all that was needed. There's no audio on the MFD either
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: Eddie-NL on May 07, 2011, 07:09:17 pm: Quote from: DaveR77 on May 07, 2011, 02:04:50 pm
Does anyone know what setting I need to set in VCDS to get Nav on the MFD? I've added Navigation (37) to the CAN gateway, I thought that was all that was needed. There's no audio on the MFD either

Do you have a Full height MFD (Highline)?
If you do, then check the coding in the RNS and see if BAP is ticked. If it is untick it and reboot
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 07, 2011, 07:45:10 pm: Yeah highline, I can't find bap tickbox, is it under navigation coding?
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: Eddie-NL on May 07, 2011, 07:54:21 pm: Go into navigation > Coding > Long Coding
Restart the RNS after making changes
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 08, 2011, 06:38:07 pm: I think I must be blind! Does anyone have a screenshot of what I should be unticking?
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: StephenED30 on May 08, 2011, 06:42:26 pm: Take a look

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9350.msg147077.html#msg147077

Hope it helps. :happy2:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on May 08, 2011, 09:34:23 pm: (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fss4%2Fmortygttdi%2FByte7.jpg&hash=4abb9cd6ac68970dc6c4314763fc76072eb8615c)

Its on the last byte in the Long Coding on 37 - Navigation

Notice at the bottom where it says BAP - you need to untick this
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 09, 2011, 06:58:32 pm: Quote from: alexperkins on May 08, 2011, 09:34:23 pm

Its on the last byte in the Long Coding on 37 - Navigation

Notice at the bottom where it says BAP - you need to untick this

Done that but still nothing on the dash, is there anything else I need to do?
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: SteveP on May 09, 2011, 07:04:21 pm: Did you have an audio menu before installing the RNS?

Also did you reboot the RNS after changing the coding?
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 09, 2011, 07:10:39 pm: Yep, had the audio menu on the original stereo. How do you reboot?
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: SteveP on May 09, 2011, 07:12:00 pm: These three buttons on the top of the unit < + > + i
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on May 09, 2011, 07:12:17 pm: You need to reboot the RNS with the ignition on by pressing eject and the left & right arrow buttons simultaneously :happy2:

Then turn ignition off and on and it should work
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: DaveR77 on May 09, 2011, 07:15:16 pm: Yep, reboot worked, cheers for all the help :happy2:
Title: Re: Which CAN do I need for RNS510 C
Post by: alexperkins on May 09, 2011, 07:16:38 pm: No worries