MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Track Day Technical => Topic started by: WhiteGTI on March 09, 2009, 11:35:15 am

Title: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: WhiteGTI on March 09, 2009, 11:35:15 am
Obviously, I know how to do a burnout, but are there any particularly good techniques to do this, or am I over-analysing the whole concept...!

Does it not ruin my clutch though?? Or other engine parts for that matter?

Please advise...

Chris  :happy2:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: SteveS on March 09, 2009, 11:39:59 am
i couldnt imagin every doing burn outs would be good for the car. but its simple enough as u know, nothing more to it i wouldnt think... just dont do it for long  :rolleye:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: Phil Mcavity on March 09, 2009, 01:25:44 pm
Look foward to seeing your results steve and chris this weekend, more mild then Feb 1st.
Should be good fun  :happy2:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: stealthwolf on March 09, 2009, 07:28:18 pm
I don't. How do I burnout in a manual?
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: SteveS on March 09, 2009, 07:31:28 pm
I don't. How do I burnout in a manual?

 :confused:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: WhiteGTI on March 10, 2009, 08:49:54 am
I don't. How do I burnout in a manual?

Handbrake on, throttle on, dump the clutch. spin the wheels on the spot to warm them up.

OK, so my question is, if the clutch is released, i.e. i am not slipping it, can it still ruin the clutch!!?  :scared: :confused:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: joesgti on March 10, 2009, 09:37:53 am
I don't. How do I burnout in a manual?

 :signLOL:

I don't. How do I burnout in a manual?

Handbrake on, throttle on, dump the clutch. spin the wheels on the spot to warm them up.

OK, so my question is, if the clutch is released, i.e. i am not slipping it, can it still ruin the clutch!!?  :scared: :confused:

i dont put the hand brake on??
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: jonnyc on March 10, 2009, 11:06:51 am
I don't. How do I burnout in a manual?

Handbrake on, throttle on, dump the clutch. spin the wheels on the spot to warm them up.

OK, so my question is, if the clutch is released, i.e. i am not slipping it, can it still ruin the clutch!!?  :scared: :confused:

No.. So long as you break traction right away then your clutch will be fine.. Light them up! Worth it for the 60ft times..
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: WhiteGTI on March 10, 2009, 12:59:06 pm
Nice one Jonny. It made sense like that, but just wanted to maketh sureth!  :smiley: :jumpmove:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: T88OMM on March 10, 2009, 01:46:26 pm
Nice one Jonny. It made sense like that, but just wanted to maketh sureth!  :smiley: :jumpmove:

I expect plumes of smoke coming from the arches now you have been given expert tuition  :happy2:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: chungster on March 28, 2009, 02:28:37 pm
on road tyres, i wouldn't even bother.

you'll likely to overheat them and the tread blocks will start to melt.

its not like hoosier / mickey t drag slicks, that need heat into them to make them sticky!!!

but if you really do want to do a burnout, handbrake on (FWD car), 4krpm or more, dump the clutch and hope nothing breaks/snaps!!!
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: luca on March 28, 2009, 02:45:52 pm
The guys in the minis do them in do burnouts in 2nd gear. Not sure why, they just drop the clutch at high rpm. Heres a quick vid
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: chungster on March 28, 2009, 02:50:09 pm
i think that is one very well modified mini!!!

sub 12 sec 1/4 mile is bloody fast for FWD. i reckon it was running drag slicks too.
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: luca on March 28, 2009, 03:01:42 pm
It runs around 260 bhp and a a 70 shot of nitrous. Its also heavily stripped. The guy is a good mate of mine, drops his kids off at school in that too :grin:
He is a mini specialist and has built some of the quickest minis in the uk :happy2:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: VC on March 28, 2009, 03:50:37 pm
OK not owning a GTI but.......... shouldn't you guys be switching your traction control off here??????

ESP

I launch mine (albeit mainly a 4 wheel diagonal drift) by losing the ESP, being in second at 6Krpm and then just dump the clutch quickly, then keep the revs out of the limiter and hold the accelerator steady and away you go till you hit the glue. 2nd gear to take some of the strain off the engine, the moment your into the glue come off the accelerator and get the clutch back in.

To be honest though, racing on a glued track with road tyres doesn't really need you to do a rolling burnout as your tyres wont utilise the heat in that way unless your almost slick

 :smiley:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: chungster on March 28, 2009, 04:06:48 pm
yeah good point re ESP  :signLOL:

dumping clutch launching in 2nd gear? 

1/4 mile is just a bit of fun really. no point getting too serious, unless your car is proper stripped out and you can afford to have it blow up lol.

Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: stealthwolf on March 28, 2009, 06:27:30 pm
Hmmm....might have a go tomorrow! :laugh:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: chungster on March 28, 2009, 06:29:29 pm
Hmmm....might have a go tomorrow! :laugh:

do it do it do it  :happy2:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: jonnyc on March 28, 2009, 06:30:27 pm
Hmmm....might have a go tomorrow! :laugh:

I really wouldn't try doing it in 2nd gear, 1st is plenty to smoke them up.. Doing it in second will be a lot more stress on the clutch..
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: stealthwolf on March 28, 2009, 06:33:38 pm
Given that I've never done a burnout, I'll probably stall the engine! :grin:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: SteveS on March 28, 2009, 06:35:36 pm
how could u never have done one? im shocked...  :rolleye:

even my gf in her KA has!!
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: WhiteGTI on March 28, 2009, 06:37:54 pm
how could u never have done one? im shocked...  :rolleye:

even my gf in her KA has!!

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Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: VC on March 28, 2009, 07:19:28 pm
dont try a burnout of raw surface though or you'll lose your tyres faster than a fast thing on a fast day carrying a bag of fast things to give to captain fast  :grin:

lubricate the surface with something like bleach  :happy2:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: Greeners on March 28, 2009, 07:22:28 pm
They spray the surface at the Pod so you can burn out to your hearts content  :happy2:

I'll give you some tips tomorrow if you like Stealth!  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: VC on March 28, 2009, 07:30:52 pm
They spray the surface at the Pod so you can burn out to your hearts content  :happy2:

I'll give you some tips tomorrow if you like Stealth!  :evilgrin:

lift off before you hit the glue though  :laugh:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: chungster on March 28, 2009, 08:21:16 pm
more importantly put it back into 1st gear if you overshoot the line after burn out.

there's been some funny moments when people have left it in reverse and "launched" it after the lights go green  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: stealthwolf on March 28, 2009, 08:25:07 pm
I'll give you some tips tomorrow if you like Stealth!  :evilgrin:

Mucho appreciado mate. :happy2:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: keith on March 28, 2009, 08:44:00 pm
more importantly put it back into 1st gear if you overshoot the line after burn out.

there's been some funny moments when people have left it in reverse and "launched" it after the lights go green  :signLOL:

seen that at Crail once, the guy was mortified.
I never bother with the burnout as the stress of belting down the 1/4 strip is enough for the engine and all the important bits to worry about. I calmly drive up to the line.I feel if you make a big entrance then F**k up your run folk just look and say :angry015: :chicken:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: Greeners on March 28, 2009, 09:05:03 pm
I'll give you some tips tomorrow if you like Stealth!  :evilgrin:

Mucho appreciado mate. :happy2:

You still meeting us at Maccys mate?
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: VC on March 28, 2009, 09:38:32 pm
I feel if you make a big entrance then F**k up your run folk just look and say :angry015: :chicken:

GO WASH THAT MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP AND WATER YOUNG MAN  :grin:

Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: luca on March 28, 2009, 10:32:15 pm
Doing the burnout in 2nd will put more stress on the clutch, wouldnt recommend it with a stock clutch. That mini is using a clutchmasters fx600 which is extremely agressive and not really for road use.
Im getting the sachs vwr clutch done on mine when i have some free time. Spoke to mated30 as he has one, and its suitable for burnouts, track etc :jumpmove:.

Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: chungster on March 29, 2009, 06:10:53 pm
classic today, someone going past the line, reversing back, and then launching in reverse!

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Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: SteveS on March 29, 2009, 06:36:21 pm
gutted i missed that
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: chungster on March 29, 2009, 06:40:31 pm
take it u didn't fancy going up the strip today???
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: SteveS on March 29, 2009, 06:44:30 pm
tempted, but sitting in the Q for ages didnt take my fancy..  :chicken:
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: stealthwolf on March 29, 2009, 07:51:07 pm
classic today, someone going past the line, reversing back, and then launching in reverse!

HAhaha I heard the commentator mentioning that. Muppet.


tempted, but sitting in the Q for ages didnt take my fancy..  :chicken:
I wanted a go but there were f00k number of cars and I didn't wanna waste any petrol sitting around in a queue.

That jet car was frikkin awesome! 8)
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: SteveS on March 29, 2009, 08:17:07 pm
exactly. maybe 5th of april... not sure... :s
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: chungster on March 29, 2009, 08:23:09 pm
the thing is it'll just be busier and busier from now on in.

the RWYB days will also include bikes.  and many more marques, not just VAG.

if the weather is good, it'll be PACKED.

Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: SteveS on March 29, 2009, 08:24:35 pm
tru :(
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: chungster on March 29, 2009, 08:29:02 pm
best place to have a go next, will probably be GTI International!

although the surface is not the best, it'll do to give you a taste for 1/4 mile action!
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: keith on March 29, 2009, 10:39:58 pm
get in early at inters and you can get 2 or 3 runs before it busies up in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Burnout before going up a drag strip
Post by: Hurdy on March 29, 2009, 11:27:19 pm
I may go down in track trim on the 18th April to try and beat my 13.6 :happy2: