MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Sat Nav and Car Audio => Topic started by: Megy_ED30 on May 01, 2011, 04:14:18 pm
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Hey all, further to my previous post in the stereo section, while I wait to decide on which double din stereo to fit I have been and got all the adapters and fitted my old Pioneer unit which seems to work fine EXCEPT it is constantly powered with no switching available to power it down when the ignition is off. I got just the basic adapter from Halfords and all seems to work, except, as I said, it wont power off with the ignition.
Does anyone know how to sort this out so that its only on when the ignition is on? Is there a way with what I have, or having done some net searching, would the top option on the PDF http://www.incartec.co.uk/assets/files/CAN%20Power%2012v.pdf (http://www.incartec.co.uk/assets/files/CAN%20Power%2012v.pdf) work?
Cheers for any help anyone can offer.
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i was hoping to put a pioneer unit it mine so i would also like to know
Had pioneer in all my cars over the years as i love them!
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You'll need to take a switched feed from the fuse box behind the panel at the drivers side of the dash.
I can't remember which 1 I used I'm afraid, but if you have a search there was a link on uk-mkivs.net I used.
I also happen to have a double din wiring, cage, fascia surround etc if you'd be interested DEEDUB?
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possibly yeah, main thing i don't wanna have is the issue of the stereo staying on after the car is turned off etc
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You'll still need to get a switched live.
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Ca you take one from the cigarette lighter? Might be easier than the fuse box..
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Ca you take one from the cigarette lighter? Might be easier than the fuse box..
Thats what I was going to look into, but have also seen this http://www.incartec.co.uk/assets/files/CAN%20Power%2012v.pdf (http://www.incartec.co.uk/assets/files/CAN%20Power%2012v.pdf) which from what I can see will work, I think, would I be right?
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You can take both a dash light feed and switched power from the cigarette lighter.
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Yeh need one of these mate http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Volkswagen-Golf-Mk5-2005-CTSVW002-Steering-Stalk-Adapt-/300481724126?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Terminals_Cabling_ET&hash=item45f61b3ede
Because of the CAN BUS system you need a 'special' harness unlike the simple ones from Halfords, this gives you switched live, illumination, speed pulse and reverse wires. Plus you can add a patch lead for stearing wheel controls also.
Hope this helps
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Yeh need one of these mate http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Volkswagen-Golf-Mk5-2005-CTSVW002-Steering-Stalk-Adapt-/300481724126?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Terminals_Cabling_ET&hash=item45f61b3ede
Because of the CAN BUS system you need a 'special' harness unlike the simple ones from Halfords, this gives you switched live, illumination, speed pulse and reverse wires. Plus you can add a patch lead for stearing wheel controls also.
Hope this helps
You lost me with the speed pulse and reverse, what do these do, my Pioneer is more basic than a lot you can get nowadays, the car doesn't have steering wheel controls so no hassle there, though if I were to get a different decent double din unit, would they work on the unit, or are they just for the OEM parts?
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Yeh need one of these mate http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Volkswagen-Golf-Mk5-2005-CTSVW002-Steering-Stalk-Adapt-/300481724126?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Terminals_Cabling_ET&hash=item45f61b3ede
Because of the CAN BUS system you need a 'special' harness unlike the simple ones from Halfords, this gives you switched live, illumination, speed pulse and reverse wires. Plus you can add a patch lead for stearing wheel controls also.
Hope this helps
You lost me with the speed pulse and reverse, what do these do, my Pioneer is more basic than a lot you can get nowadays, the car doesn't have steering wheel controls so no hassle there, though if I were to get a different decent double din unit, would they work on the unit, or are they just for the OEM parts?
The speed pulse and reverse wires are what are normally used for Sat Navs. If your only problem is the switched live then you can run a wire from the back of the stereo to a spare slot in the fuse box. Just put a spade connecter on the end of the wire and plug it in and test it by turning your ignition on and off and see what the stereo does or better still use a volt meter if you have one.
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http://www.dynamicsounds.co.uk/volkswagen-golf-plus-jetta-stereo-fascia-fitting-wiring-p-11489.html
would this kit do the job, don't need sat Nav or anything but say if i wanted the dvd usable would i need the one mentioned by Paul above
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Had the same problem with my Alpine Headunit...
Car Audio Security supply a simple plug n play Canbus adpater that takes care of this... costs £50 tho
Or simply run from ur cig lighter...
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Had the same problem with my Alpine Headunit...
Car Audio Security supply a simple plug n play Canbus adpater that takes care of this... costs £50 tho
Or simply run from ur cig lighter...
Have you got this adapter fitted? If so, what functionality do you get with it, is the stereo just on/off with the ignition, or does it go off with the ignition and then you are able to switch it back on again.
Do you have a link to the unit? I would rather not start wiring in other bits, but have a feeling I may have to.
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Can't really help with advice other than say my ED 30 a Pioneer sat nav fitted & i have no problem with power when the key is off so it can be done but the unit was already fitted when i got the car so can't say how it was wired.
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I had an Alpine Double Din headunit installed through Halfrauds and they used the standard interface connector which meant I had to manually turn the unit off and on regardless of the position of the key.
After much reading I have ordered one of these
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/8115.html
That will hopefully sort out all the problems and also enable my Nav unit to function correctly when I install it.
Hope this helps
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I had an Alpine Double Din headunit installed through Halfrauds and they used the standard interface connector which meant I had to manually turn the unit off and on regardless of the position of the key.
After much reading I have ordered one of these
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/8115.html
That will hopefully sort out all the problems and also enable my Nav unit to function correctly when I install it.
Hope this helps
............can you use you'r unit with the engine switched off?.No battery drain with mine as posted before but can only use unit with the engine running?.Do you think this is correct?.
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My headunit functions with the key out and engine off. Thats why I need to install the Can Bus adaptor incase my wife forgets to turn it off when she drives it - and I want it to behave the same as the OEM Headunit.
Doesnt sound right that it only works with the engine running.
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My headunit functions with the key out and engine off. Thats why I need to install the Can Bus adaptor incase my wife forgets to turn it off when she drives it - and I want it to behave the same as the OEM Headunit.
Doesnt sound right that it only works with the engine running.
...........thanks for that.Might get a local car sparky near me to have a look.Not too bothered just a bit of a pain if you want to change any settings.
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I had an Alpine Double Din headunit installed through Halfrauds and they used the standard interface connector which meant I had to manually turn the unit off and on regardless of the position of the key.
After much reading I have ordered one of these
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/8115.html
That will hopefully sort out all the problems and also enable my Nav unit to function correctly when I install it.
Hope this helps
I wonder if the one you have linked to is a similar ting to this, http://www.incartec.co.uk/assets/files/CAN%20Power%2012v.pdf which I found while searching. I am wanting my head unit to work with the ignition, so turning off when I remove the key etc, as I dont think I will want to have it on with the ignition off. Still pondering wiring into the cig lighter for a switched live, or buying one of the CAN BUS adapters, decisions decisions.
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Had the same problem with my Alpine Headunit...
Car Audio Security supply a simple plug n play Canbus adpater that takes care of this... costs £50 tho
Or simply run from ur cig lighter...
Have you got this adapter fitted? If so, what functionality do you get with it, is the stereo just on/off with the ignition, or does it go off with the ignition and then you are able to switch it back on again.
Do you have a link to the unit? I would rather not start wiring in other bits, but have a feeling I may have to.
I Have this adapter fitted.. as i didnt really fancy chopping wires and running wires from other places etc... The stereo only comes on with the ignition! Once the keys are out of the ignition the stereo will not come back on as theres no power going through...
If you contact Car Audio Security just tell them yur after a Canbus adpater for a MK5 Golf they should be able to provide you with more information.. i think it was this one tho
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/8115.html
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Aaaah... just saw Stufs reply above now...
Yeah thats the same one im using... Once my keys are out the ignition, the Headunit will not power up at all..
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Aaaah... just saw Stufs reply above now...
Yeah thats the same one im using... Once my keys are out the ignition, the Headunit will not power up at all..
...........same as mine so do you think it's correct?.
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Right the saga continues - went back to Halfrauds this evening to have my new lead
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/8115.html
installed and finally have my Alpine headunit working properly.
However all that was achieved was much scratching of heads and some choice scratches to the surround and facia of the headunit and on the actual dash!!! :fighting:.
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Im not a happy chappy however the bloke ive been dealing with is going to replace the facia and remove the scratches from my dash before the problem is resolved.
It seems the problem is that there is nowhere to plug the canbus interface into on wiring coming from the car?
Should the lead above be a simple plug and play or does it need hard wiring in??
Anyone offer any pearls of wisdom before I pull all my hair out!
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Anyone? :scared:
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If its the normal canbus interface the original quadlock connector that goes into the back of the original radio should plug into it and that is where the canbus pick-up comes from :happy2:
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So the original headunit connector needs to be reused inconjunction with the canbus adaptor and then plugged into the back of my Alpine.
I think the Halfrauds installer may have disposed of this?
Will investigate tomorrow - cheers Steve
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Plug and play fella...
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So the original headunit connector needs to be reused inconjunction with the canbus adaptor and then plugged into the back of my Alpine.
I think the Halfrauds installer may have disposed of this?
Will investigate tomorrow - cheers Steve
Correct, the halfords adaptors and manually wired in and they "learn" the canbus system of the car.
As them to hardwire it in, that's all I ever used to do was hard wire them in, the canbus leads we sold then were sh*t unless you got the gold kit at £120!!! :scared:
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If anyone needs the canbus harness ive got one for £15 as I've just upgraded to the steering wheel connect2 interface so to got this one for sale postage free