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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: 182_blue on May 02, 2011, 07:06:35 am
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13257217
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Not confirmed yet, only going by facial recognition ... Fingers crossed though it is..
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A very fast DNA test should have confirmed it, seen pictures of a nice headshot aswell :evilgrin:
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About bloody time too just a shame they killed him would have liked to see him rot in prison
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Oh sh*t, I'm going to USA on holiday as well.
Even more delays and security hassle ahead. :sad1:
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Oh sh*t, I'm going to USA on holiday as well.
Even more delays and security hassle ahead. :sad1:
What a bizarre reaction
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i will wait until its confirmed
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i will wait until its confirmed
I'm not sure what you're waiting for? Obama has addressed the nation and the body has apparently been buried at sea. I guess that's confirmation...
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opps i better go and read up about it..thought it had just happened
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Honestly, for me, I wouldn't be happy without dental records, DNA, fingerprint and retinal scan confirmations that it was him.
Either way, the question is what happens next. Will this cause an uprising, meaning that Al-Qaeda go on an all-out war and kill themselves, taking thousands of innocent people with them? Or will they fizzle and die out without someone to unite and lead them? Will there be multiple factions claiming leadership? Will a new leader rise up and lead them?
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The photo above is supposidly a photoshop , don't know why they would bury him at sea without doing tests ect
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According to the BBC they carried out DNA testing at sea.
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If bollock obama has adressed the nation then its obviously him, hes not going to do that then say "oh wait we photoshoped it.... sorry everyone" :confused:
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Honestly, for me, I wouldn't be happy without dental records, DNA, fingerprint and retinal scan confirmations that it was him.
Either way, the question is what happens next. Will this cause an uprising, meaning that Al-Qaeda go on an all-out war and kill themselves, taking thousands of innocent people with them? Or will they fizzle and die out without someone to unite and lead them? Will there be multiple factions claiming leadership? Will a new leader rise up and lead them?
It will just be business as usual for them. Ayman Al-Zawahiri will just step up (will have already done so) and carry on as normal. Don't expect anything within the next few weeks from Al-Qaeda. Splinter groups and affiliates may do so but they will sit and plan what to do next.
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If bollock obama has adressed the nation then its obviously him, hes not going to do that then say "oh wait we photoshoped it.... sorry everyone" :confused:
The pic posted above is a fake I cam assure you.
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If bollock obama has adressed the nation then its obviously him, hes not going to do that then say "oh wait we photoshoped it.... sorry everyone" :confused:
The pic posted above is a fake I cam assure you.
... and has been around a while I think...
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why "dump him at sea"
string him up and dance round him in Times Square!
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we dont know when this op was carried out, could well have been a couple days ago and they have just released him which would allow time for DNA tests. Wouldnt hold your breath or dental records though, he didnt look like a regular customer at his local dentist, .
His body was offered to his home country Saudi, but they didnt want him, so they dumped him at sea, no doubt to stop the extremists getting hold of his body, or maybe because this is a fake......... :laugh:
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It would be a ballsy fake to try and pull off especially as AQ could refute it pretty damn quickly. I know the Americans are not exactly the most truthful people on earth. But the amount of embarrassment this would cause if proved a fake would pretty much ruin the country politically for quite a number of years.
DNA testing can be done very quickly :wink:
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sky news has a bit more info, burial at sea is an islamic tradition and also they didnt want his grave becoming a shrine
unfortunately there are plenty more nutters out there
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news special now on bbc1 :happy2:
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....amazing what the americans can do when the playstation network is down :grin:
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sky news has a bit more info, burial at sea is an islamic tradition and also they didnt want his grave becoming a shrine
unfortunately there are plenty more nutters out there
No, it's not - but burial within 24 hours is, which is what I believe the newspeople refer to when they say "he was buried at sea within 24 hours in accordance with islamic tradition". But the burial at sea is to prevent a grave from becoming a shrine. Smart move I think.
The way they've handled this says a lot about Obama, actually. I imagine a Republican president would have put up pictures/video of the corpse, or brought it back to the US. Obama by not doing that kept his dignity (and the US moral high ground) (while at the same time probably ensuring his reelection). I imagine of course they've taken all the necessary dental records (and I've heard they've done DNA tests) to ensure beyond any doubt that it was indeed OBL.
...also, must've been some hard-corps pilots (probably 16th SOAR? any military types want to chime in with speculation?) who undertook a mission to fly under radar, at night, through mountainous terrain there and back...
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....amazing what the americans can do when the playstation network is down :grin:
And an upcoming election. :grin:
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I heard it was a rescue mission and he was killed by a stray grenade :evilgrin:
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I'm glad they didn't capture him and he ended up dead.
Imagine all the kidnappings and blackmail to try and get him released if he had been captured!
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Apparently they used DNA from his deceased sister to confirm.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488004/Osama-Bin-Ladens-body-identified-by-sisters-brain.html
A white house staffer is reported as saying there is "99.9% confidence" that it was him.
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I didn't think folk took the Bin out on a bank holiday......
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I didn't think folk took the Bin out on a bank holiday......
:congrats: :grin:
So how come they used Navy SeALs instead of Delta? Was Steven Siegal involved?
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....amazing what the americans can do when the playstation network is down :grin:
i said the very same thing this morning :signLOL:
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They've done all right !!
Kill him and dump him at sea was the best solution.
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sky news has a bit more info, burial at sea is an islamic tradition and also they didnt want his grave becoming a shrine
unfortunately there are plenty more nutters out there
No, it's not - but burial within 24 hours is, which is what I believe the newspeople refer to when they say "he was buried at sea within 24 hours in accordance with islamic tradition". But the burial at sea is to prevent a grave from becoming a shrine. Smart move I think.
The way they've handled this says a lot about Obama, actually. I imagine a Republican president would have put up pictures/video of the corpse, or brought it back to the US. Obama by not doing that kept his dignity (and the US moral high ground) (while at the same time probably ensuring his reelection). I imagine of course they've taken all the necessary dental records (and I've heard they've done DNA tests) to ensure beyond any doubt that it was indeed OBL.
...also, must've been some hard-corps pilots (probably 16th SOAR? any military types want to chime in with speculation?) who undertook a mission to fly under radar, at night, through mountainous terrain there and back...
Neither Pakistan or Saudi Arabia would allow the body back into their country - hence the sea burial.
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It is not Islamic tradition to bury the body at sea, or within 24 hours. Why they're saying is up to anybody to decide.
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Burial at sea is not but burial within 24hrs is :confused:
Either that or every briefing I have ever had on Islamic traditions within places like Pakistan,Afghanistan,Iraq (some by Imman's and Islamic scholars) are all telling pork pies.
The brief I have always been given is that according to Islamic tradition it involves ritual washing, shrouding and burial within 24 hours.
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Burial at sea is not but burial within 24hrs is :confused:
Either that or every briefing I have ever had on Islamic traditions within places like Pakistan,Afghanistan,Iraq (some by Imman's and Islamic scholars) are all telling pork pies.
The brief I have always been given is that according to Islamic tradition it involves ritual washing, shrouding and burial within 24 hours.
Thats correct. Burial at sea has nothing to do with anything. It was only because they probably didnt know what to do with the body since the closest countries didnt want anything to do with it.
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Burial at sea is not but burial within 24hrs is :confused:
Either that or every briefing I have ever had on Islamic traditions within places like Pakistan,Afghanistan,Iraq (some by Imman's and Islamic scholars) are all telling pork pies.
The brief I have always been given is that according to Islamic tradition it involves ritual washing, shrouding and burial within 24 hours.
I've always been aware (and others believe the same) that the body should be buried within 3 days.
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Are you getting confused with the 3 days of mourning to be observed by relatives?
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Are you getting confused with the 3 days of mourning to be observed by relatives?
He's got a muslim name, is probably muslim and you're questioning him on islamic rites of passage? :grin: :signLOL:
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I have been subject to similar briefs, and they all stated that devout Muslim custom is bathing, shrouding and burial is to be carried out within 24 hours of death.
Guess they must be wrong.
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Ive always been told its within 24 hours if possible.
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Are you getting confused with the 3 days of mourning to be observed by relatives?
He's got a muslim name, is probably muslim and you're questioning him on islamic rites of passage? :grin: :signLOL:
Well yes when everything I have ever been briefed on says contrary to what he is saying :confused:
I don't mean this in any dis-respect to Nasir as I'm not saying he is the same. But I have met a fair few Muslims who don't know what their own traditions are and a fair few who interpret them differently to suit themselves
But I am inclined to believe what I have been briefed given the level of knowledge of the person giving the brief.
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Osama bin Laden killed in Pakistan.
Who says you cant take your bin out on a Bank Holiday. :laugh:
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@Stealth - I'm a muslim, and I'm saying it's within 24 hours (if possible). The three days is a mourning period.
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It has been interpreted differently. Unfortunately I have been to Islamic funerals and there is no sudden rush to bury the body in 24 hours. Anyway I'm no Islamic scholar and the outcome is good nonetheless (Bin Laden's death).
Edit: I think it also depends on what country you live in (whether you have a freezer etc). But the earlier the better.
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Indeed a mean bit of flying, the special forces helicopter pilots are a hairy bunch...got a guy in our company who never mentioned his prior flying life but only let it slip after 5 years of working together and after letting slip a "Hereford" operation from the 80's. I get told to shut up when I quiz him now.
A true pro and very very good operator, with incredible situational awareness.
One would hope the "mother load" of intel pays dividends going forward
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Apparently bin Laden had a psn account, should of known better than to use his real name and address :laugh: