MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Performance Modifications => Modifications & Technical Area => Superchips Zone => Topic started by: liver on May 04, 2011, 10:33:50 am
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what are the peoples thoughts who are running this map?
ive had it for a few weeks now, and im unsure, it sometimes feels like the car can not be bothered.
What psi do your cars boost to? Mine peaks at around 15/17psi
just wanted to see what other peoples thoughts were on the map
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my thoughts on it are that its not very good at stage 2 or 2+. I changed tuner in the end. shame to have to spend out another #400-500, but it was worth it with the end result
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the cars goin on a rr tomorrow so im sure this will decide if i change or not
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remember to look at the graph as a whole, not just the peak figures.
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oh i will be doing not that bothered about peak figure more how it comes across on the graph etc
just at times it can feel sluggish and almost like the car can't be bothered and you've to give it a good kick up the arse, then other times its fine and goes well
don't really know what power figures to expect tbh
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the power delivery on mine was diabolical, very erratic what rollers you on? mine made 287hp on AMDs, then went on JMS and only made 252hp, which would make sense as even though it was stage 2+ it couldnt keep up with the shark performance stage 2 or REVO stage 2 which all had less mods and the lower map, hence why i swapped
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its going on awesome gti rollers which i think are dyno jet rollers
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well car ran ****e lol
woke up to set off to awesome and exhaust light was on
got to awesome plugged bluefin for fault code, the car then had a paddy, immobilised itself, wouldnt start or turn over or anything
got the standard map uploaded and started, then got the stage 2 map on and took it out for half hour, was boosting as standard and boosting different in every gear, 1st and 2nd was struggling to boost at all, 3 was maxing out at 10psi, 4th 12 psi and 5th and 6th maxing out at about 16psi
had it out for a few miles with it obviosuly still been in learning mode but nothing was changing.
Decided to stick it on the rollers anyway but wasnt expecting good figures or anything near what i should have been getting, this was proved right when it went on
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best run was 233.7 bhp and 333.48 ft/lb torque
was expecting between 250/260 but i knew it wasnt running right
spoke to awesome and they suggested it could be the pvc system as they are a known weak spot on these engines
so got back to r lasses engine cover off quick check to see if i cud see anything, nothing much tbh
few bits of debree in end tunnel so cleaned that out
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so now i need to contact bluefine to double check the map, will send them the print out etc and ask why the boost is so unpredicatble
so the continues to give me grief lol
drives fine, smooth etc and no problems, just not producing the power it should be
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looks like the Orange O ring has been leaking gases, in the 1st photo, also looks like oil staining on the cylinder head... or its a dark shadow?
New PCV kit i would suggest. O ring gasket is a seperate part im sure.
In-expensive to replace, would suggest if you havent changed it before, to replace it as its off.
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nah it hasnt been changed before, i will order that from vw today and try and sort out an after market pcv fix for the car too if i can
awesome suggested the euro jet one,
also thats just a shadow but i can see how you thought it was leaking.
hopefully the update should help it run better and boost better cheers
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My stage 2 Bluefin is fine for my Ed30, although does have a flat spot at 4500 rpm, but thats not the maps fault. It really needs a HPFP to help.
Cant complain. For the money imo its good value.
Have you checked your DV lately liver?
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yeah checked and changed to the latest revison from vw so shouldnt have any problems from that
what sort of psi do you boost to or do you not know?
the way it boosts differently in every gear and only peaks at 15/16 psi only in 5th and 6th suggests something isnt right
yeah i went with bluefin as it was a steal of a price only cost me £175 for stage one then just £50 for stage 2
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TBH, im unsure as to what Boost runs on stage 2..
I dont have a boost gauge, nor do i know how to check on vcds, even though i have a Micro Can VCDS :ashamed:
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i should think they should be running something near 20psi at stage two and around 23/24 at stage 2+ i think, but like i say not sure if bluefin adjust boost sure ive read that somewhere but can not remember
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just been out for work and these are the figures its boosting at currently
1st = -1HG upto 1psi
2nd = 5psi
3rd = 8-10psi
4th = 10-12psi
5th = 15psi
6th = 15-16psi
costing me a fortune in fuel lol
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TBH, im unsure as to what Boost runs on stage 2..
I dont have a boost gauge, nor do i know how to check on vcds, even though i have a Micro Can VCDS :ashamed:
Go and do some logs. Measure Actual versus Requested Boost and Ambient pressure.
There has been load written on here about how to do them even Ross Tech tell you how.
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good link i found
http://www.goapr.com/support/datalogging.php
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No need it's even closer to home. :sad1:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,17636.0.html
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thats similar to what mine was doing with regards to boost. creates a very erratic power delivery. Stage 1 was good if a little underpowered, stage 2 was really bad. stage 2+ improved on stage 2 by quite alot but was still lacking in the delivery and outright power.
Quite a few guys had issues with bluefin on the K03 TFSI when they went to stage 2, a good 4 of us on briskoda ended up changing tuner eventually which slved the issue.
Not sure why it is, the map on the Ed30 K04 GTI seems to be really good, but the K03 is really pants. I took logs and all sorts of mine and was sendin them to superchips to get the map adjusted.
The deal breaker for me was when i mentioned the guys with other remaps were easily getting 300lbft, yet mine at stage 2+ was only managing about 270lbft, theyre response was anything getting over 300lbft is at risk of snapping the camshafts. They lost me at that point
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Ive managed to do some succesfully, but need someone to have a browse over...Anyone??
Timing on a couple of occasions and Fuel rail pressure might be an issue.
i would post on here but the message box on here is too short to list properly.
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Easiest way to put them up on here is,
Open it up log in excel, format the page until it fits the screen. Press the printscreen button on keyboard. Open up 'paint' click paste. Then save it as a jpeg, upload it to photobucket etc. Simples :happy2:
Personally I thought stage 2 was better than stage 1, but I thought all 3 Superchips maps felt too flat until the revs got high up, was all or nothing compared to all the other maps I had.
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I think the maps asking for too much fuel pressure which my standard pump cant deliver.
The timings being retarded because of it..
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Get the logs up :happy2:
is the timing a + or a - ?
if its a - then its running rich.
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its -6.8 at its worst.. timing retards because the stock fuel pump cant supply what the maps asking. i will post logs to you via email, if you have an email address to you can see them clearly rather then out of sync on here if you like?
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doesnt sound nice. this was the only stage 2 log of mine that I could find, its a pdtuning remap though. might do for a comparison?
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thats similar to what mine was doing with regards to boost. creates a very erratic power delivery. Stage 1 was good if a little underpowered, stage 2 was really bad. stage 2+ improved on stage 2 by quite alot but was still lacking in the delivery and outright power.
Quite a few guys had issues with bluefin on the K03 TFSI when they went to stage 2, a good 4 of us on briskoda ended up changing tuner eventually which slved the issue.
Not sure why it is, the map on the Ed30 K04 GTI seems to be really good, but the K03 is really pants. I took logs and all sorts of mine and was sendin them to superchips to get the map adjusted.
The deal breaker for me was when i mentioned the guys with other remaps were easily getting 300lbft, yet mine at stage 2+ was only managing about 270lbft, theyre response was anything getting over 300lbft is at risk of snapping the camshafts. They lost me at that point
Snapping Camshafts ! What is an Ed30 engine rated upto ?
The Volvo sourced Focus ST engine internals are rated to 1000bhp
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thats similar to what mine was doing with regards to boost. creates a very erratic power delivery. Stage 1 was good if a little underpowered, stage 2 was really bad. stage 2+ improved on stage 2 by quite alot but was still lacking in the delivery and outright power.
Quite a few guys had issues with bluefin on the K03 TFSI when they went to stage 2, a good 4 of us on briskoda ended up changing tuner eventually which slved the issue.
Not sure why it is, the map on the Ed30 K04 GTI seems to be really good, but the K03 is really pants. I took logs and all sorts of mine and was sendin them to superchips to get the map adjusted.
The deal breaker for me was when i mentioned the guys with other remaps were easily getting 300lbft, yet mine at stage 2+ was only managing about 270lbft, theyre response was anything getting over 300lbft is at risk of snapping the camshafts. They lost me at that point
Snapping Camshafts ! What is an Ed30 engine rated upto ?
The Volvo sourced Focus ST engine internals are rated to 1000bhp
I wouldnt stand near that with a open bonnet :scared: :scared:
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doesnt sound nice. this was the only stage 2 log of mine that I could find, its a pdtuning remap though. might do for a comparison?
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what mods is that running??
Thats how it should look, mine isnt :ashamed:
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at the time it had full milltek TBE, brand new OEM fuel pump, forge twintake
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Well this is the timing , completely all over the shop....
Group 20 - Field 0 Group 20 - Field 1 Group 20 - Field 2 Group 20 - Field 3 Group 114 - Field 3 Group 115 - Field 0
Cylinder 1 Ignition - Angle Delay Cylinder 2 Ignition - Angle Delay Cylinder 3 Ignition - Angle Delay Cylinder 4 Ignition - Angle Delay (N75) - Duty Cycle Engine Speed
°KW °KW °KW °KW 0% /min
0 0 -1.5 0 88.6 1480
0 0 -3.8 -1.5 90.2 1560
-1.5 0 -3.8 -1.5 90.2 1680
-4.5 -1.5 -3.8 -3 90.2 1800
-4.5 -1.5 -5.3 -3 92.5 1960
-6 -1.5 -6 -3 94.9 2080
-6 -1.5 -6 -3 94.9 2240
-6 -0.8 -6 -2.3 94.9 2440
-6 -0.8 -6 -2.3 81.2 2640
-5.3 -2.3 -5.3 -2.3 67.8 2960
-5.3 -3.8 -6.8 -3.8 54.5 3120
-5.3 -3.8 -6.8 -3.8 53.3 3400
-5.3 -3.8 -6.8 -3.8 52.5 3600
-4.5 -3.8 -6.8 -3.8 52.2 3840
-4.5 -3 -6 -3 52.5 4080
-4.5 -3 -6 -3 53.7 4320
-3.8 -2.3 -5.3 -2.3 55.7 4560
-3.8 -3 -2.3 -3.8 56.1 4760
-3.8 -3 -2.3 -3.8 56.5 4960
-3 -4.5 -1.5 -3 53.7 5160
-3 -4.5 -1.5 -3 49.4 5320
-3 -4.5 -1.5 -3 58 5520
-3 -4.5 -1.5 -3 60 5680
-3 -4.5 -1.5 -3 53.7 5840
-2.3 -3.8 -0.8 -2.3 52.5 6000
-2.3 -3.8 -0.8 -2.3 58.8 6120
-2.3 -3.8 -2.3 -2.3 61.6 6280
-2.3 -3.8 -2.3 -2.3 53.7 6320
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and boost and fuel rail values...
Engine Sp Boost Pre Boost Pres Rail Pres Rail Pres
/min specified actual specified actual
1480 1550 1100 73.62 73.75
1560 1580 1180 79.43 79.16
1680 1610 1270 85.96 85.99
1800 1670 1360 92.76 92.55
1960 2130 1430 100.29 100.03
2080 2300 1520 107.78 107.78
2240 2300 1660 109.93 110.13
2440 2350 1900 109.99 110.45
2640 2340 2260 109.99 109.6
2960 2340 2660 109.99 105.7
3120 2340 2400 109.99 75.87
3400 2300 2310 109.99 84.86
3600 2290 2270 109.99 92.4
3840 2290 2260 109.99 101.17
4080 2300 2270 109.99 100.88
4320 2330 2300 109.99 102.71
4560 2350 2330 109.99 87.58
4760 2330 2320 109.99 89.48
4960 2340 2330 109.99 94.86
5160 2130 2250 109.99 98.58
5320 2160 2060 109.99 109.02
5520 2240 2230 109.99 111.01
5680 2200 2310 109.99 108.1
5840 2020 2120 109.99 109.22
6000 2040 2050 109.99 110.48
6120 2080 2150 109.99 108.97
6280 2080 2220 109.99 113.06
6320 1970 2100 109.99 111.52
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that fuel pump doesnt look very healthy
this looks more legible
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Superchips have since Toned down the map and sent me a new map, although im inclined to replace the cam follower and inspect for excessive wear in the fuel pump.
Why did you have a new oem pump installed Heavyd of out curiosity?
The easy fix would be to change the fuel pump, but as superchips and revo say an uprated fuel pump isnt nessasary on stage 2.
My turbo boost/ requested levels are spot on the money, but fueling is the problem.. any other idea's?
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I originally had an autotech pump in and stage 3, but was getting some cut, so I sold the autotech. When I put the old pump in the following log on stage 2 showed some fuel cut. Pdt advised me to get a new pump. So got discount at dealers and paid £150 for a new one, which is the logs on the last page. Although I mist say when it went back on the rollers with the new pump it made 5bhp less. I'm no expert but it might be a dodgy pump you have as your logs are similar to mine, might be clogged fuel filter etc who knows. Best off sending pdt your logs and ask his opinion, though he may say the same. Here's my logs on old pump
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New pump
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Thats how it should look, mine isnt :ashamed:
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Would be good if PDT reads this thread. Im hoping the timing being so erractic is caused by the poor fuel pressures.
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just send him a pm with your logs, Im sure he'll get back to you
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Steve looking at the logs, my opinion is I see you have a big spike @ 2960 rpm which would use a lot of fuel to create the power from that spike. Fuel pressure slowly catches up later in the rev range as the boost curves drops to follow what it should. As its stage 2 and on the limits of the pump it would take a while for the pressure to build back up again before running out of fuel at higher rpm.
Just my opinion.
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I wouldn't agree that Stage II doesn't need a higher flowing fuel pump. It can be seen from your logs Steve that Req'd vs Actual is quite different in some places.
I don't think simply changing the follower is the answer to your issue, tone down the map or invest in a fuel pump :evilgrin:
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My map has been now toned down, but sifting through my service receipts, it appears my fuel filter nxt to the fuel tank has never been inspected :fighting:.Filter and follower are next to try.
new map from Superchips has already by my bum dyno feel smoother on fly up, so fingers crossed.
Will re-log to confirm once replaced .
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I replaced my fuel filter last night after 100k, OMG their was a lot of brown muck which came out with the petrol.
It is certainly something I would change every 50k at most.
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if you look at the requested boost in the fuel cut areas compared to my stage 2 and they are a lot higher.
I just had a look at my bluefin stage 3 requested boost levels, and they peak at 2330, only for a very short time. and that was with teh last tweaked map that bluefin had sent me :stupid:
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I have emailed PDT aswell, he says he's gonna have a look, does look like my old maps boost was requesting much higher then your settled version heavyd.
I might retry logging tonight, as it defiantly feels better so far with just the mapping tweaks.
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I think you may mis-understand the function of the cam follower. Unless it's failed, and you ought to know that for sure, then it is unlikely to help your problem. I'm not saying don't change it but I'm trying to say don't expect changing it to help you.
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I think you may mis-understand the function of the cam follower. Unless it's failed, and you ought to know that for sure, then it is unlikely to help your problem. I'm not saying don't change it but I'm trying to say don't expect changing it to help you.
I agree stu, reason is, that the fuel is still supplying high fuel pressure on occasion, meaning the pump is mechanically driven, and that one minute its supplying enough, and another minute it isnt. Kind of points either to mapping requesting too much for a standard pump, or i could have a fuel delivery issue, possible fuel blockage , I still dont believe my stock pump is worn out. As not long ago on jkm's rollers, the car has always performed VERY well on a stage 1 map.
Fuel filter has never been changed, so might give me a clue.
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Im doing some logs tonight, so will list the results later.
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Fuel filter I agree with, and by all means inspect the follower but I'd agree the pump looks like it's under performing. If you don't want to replace it perhaps see if you can 'borrow' one.
The map is requesting 110 bar which I guess it a WoT, the pump is mechanically driven as you say and is relative to engine speed as it's driven from the cam. At lower to medium engine speed the pump cannot flow enough fuel to meet demands.
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Cheers Stu...
Just back from some logs of the leafy lanes of Corhampton.. :chicken:.
Superchips have ever so slightly lowered the boost request levels.
The car now feels more progressive, rather then having aggressive "spike" feel.
As my backside dyno felt on 1st thoughts, rail pressures are now requesting and receiving within safer tolerences.
Timing is alot better, having done several runs, and only once hit -4.5 very briefly, but now i have lots of Zero's in the timing columes.Much happier, in the knowledge im not doing any potential harm to the engine..
Fuel filter will be inspected as cars done 57k and never changed..
Sorry about the grids being out of position :sad1:
I will post the logs but they may be abit out of sync..
Runs in 3rd.......
Group 2 Group 20 - Group 20 Group 20 Group 20 Group 114 Group 115 Group 115 Group 115 Group 230 Group 230
Intake Air Cylinder 1 Ignition - Angle Delay Cylinder 2 Ignition - Angle Delay Cylinder 3 Ignition - Angle Delay Cylinder 4 Ignition - Angle Delay W'stgate Engine Spe Boost Pres Boost Pres Rail Pres Rail Pres
g/s °KW °KW °KW °KW 0% /min mbar spec mbar actual bar spec bar act
25.56 0 0 0 0 0 2360 610 1080 77.93 76.63
43.47 0 0 0 0 20.4 2000 1670 1140 90.69 90.2
69.86 -1.5 0 -1.5 0 72.5 2240 2280 1370 102.74 101.71
120.89 -1.5 0 -1.5 -1.5 94.9 2600 2300 1780 109.65 109.9
176.81 -1.5 0 -1.5 -3 64.7 3280 2290 2560 109.99 104.6
152.92 -0.8 0 -0.8 -2.3 49 3720 2250 2230 109.99 107.03
186.81 0 0 0 -1.5 50.2 4240 2300 2260 109.99 109.6
198.19 0 0 0 -0.8 53.3 4760 2300 2320 109.99 98.19
218.78 0 0 0 0 57.6 5240 2300 2300 109.99 107.1
237.5 0 0 0 -1.5 63.5 5760 2290 2340 109.99 109.56
234.42 0 0 -1.5 -1.5 63.9 6200 2180 2300 109.99 110.61
183.53 -1.5 0 -3 -0.8 59.2 6600 2000 2220 109.99 113.63
35.92 0 0 0 0 86.3 1720 1620 1130 89.36 89.17
45.25 0 0 0 0 90.2 1840 1700 1250 100.26 100.39
57.42 0 -1.5 -1.5 0 93.3 2000 2200 1410 109.1 109.18
74.06 0 -1.5 -1.5 -1.5 94.9 2160 2260 1600 109.98 110.28
102.03 0 -1.5 -1.5 -1.5 94.9 2400 2270 1930 109.99 109.91
130.67 0 -1.5 -0.8 -1.5 67.1 2720 2310 2400 109.99 106.27
125.64 0 -0.8 -2.3 -0.8 54.1 3000 2300 2440 109.99 109.37
135.69 0 -0.8 -2.3 -2.3 50.2 3280 2260 2280 109.99 110.64
152.42 0 -0.8 -2.3 -2.3 49 3560 2230 2230 109.99 110.57
161.67 0 0 -1.5 -2.3 49 3800 2230 2220 109.99 109.67
165.92 0 0 -1.5 -1.5 49.4 4080 2260 2220 109.99 111.76
177.75 0 0 -1.5 -1.5 50.6 4360 2290 2250 109.99 108.2
190.22 0 0 -1.5 -1.5 53.3 4640 2290 2240 109.99 109.5
193.08 0 0 -0.8 -1.5 52.9 4880 2290 2280 109.99 108.69
202.97 0 -1.5 0 -0.8 53.7 5120 2290 2250 109.99 110.92
212.72 0 -1.5 0 -1.5 55.3 5360 2290 2250 109.99 109.42
222.64 0 -1.5 0 -3 56.5 5600 2290 2250 109.99 110.61
229.86 0 -0.8 0 -3 60.8 5760 2290 2310 109.99 109.09
225.42 -1.5 -0.8 0 -3 58.4 5960 2210 2300 109.99 110.36
222.06 -1.5 0 0 -2.3 59.2 6160 2120 2250 109.99 109.86
210.11 -1.5 0 0 -2.3 51.4 6320 1990 2090 109.99 109.32
Run in 4th
Group 20 Group 20 Group 20 Group 20 Group 102 Group 115 Group 115 Group 230 Group 230 Group 230
Cylinder 1 Cylinder 2 Cylinder 3 Cylinder 4 Engine Spe Boost Pres Boost Pres Rail Pres Rail Pres Rail Pres
°KW °KW °KW °KW /min mbar spec mbar act bar Spec bar Act bar Diff.
0 0 0 0 1680 1050 1080 78.38 78.87 -0.49
0 0 0 0 1760 1460 1130 85.64 85.95 -0.31
0 0 0 0 1840 1530 1220 92.59 92.27 0.31
0 0 0 0 1920 1670 1300 100.28 100.36 -0.08
-3 0 -3 0 2000 1730 1380 108 108.44 -0.45
-3 0 -4.5 0 2120 1690 1460 109.86 110.04 -0.18
-3 0 -4.5 0 2200 1680 1550 109.98 109.44 0.54
-3 0 -4.5 -1.5 2320 1630 1630 109.99 110.64 -0.65
-3 0 -4.5 -3 2440 1630 1680 109.99 110.25 -0.26
-3.8 0 -4.5 -3 2560 1770 1700 109.99 109.17 0.82
-3.8 0 -3.8 -3 2720 1950 1840 109.99 110.66 -0.67
-3.8 0 -3.8 -3 2840 2190 2010 109.99 109.93 0.06
-3.8 0 -3.8 -3 3040 2270 2320 109.99 106.19 3.8
-3.8 0 -3.8 -2.3 3240 2250 2330 109.99 99.35 10.64
-3 0 -3 -2.3 3400 2230 2220 109.99 108.14 1.85
-3 0 -3 -2.3 3560 2220 2230 109.99 109.56 0.43
-3 0 -3 -2.3 3760 2220 2200 109.99 110.81 -0.82
-3 0 -3 -2.3 3920 2230 2200 109.99 110.77 -0.78
-3 0 -3 -1.5 4120 2250 2220 109.99 109.37 0.62
-2.3 0 -2.3 -0.8 4320 2270 2230 109.99 109.49 0.5
-1.5 0 -1.5 0 4480 2290 2280 109.99 106.83 3.16
-1.5 0 -1.5 0 4680 2270 2240 109.99 101.56 8.43
-0.8 0 -0.8 0 4840 2280 2260 109.99 110.43 -0.44
0 0 0 0 5000 2280 2240 109.99 109.12 0.87
-1.5 0 0 -1.5 5160 2270 2260 109.99 108.16 1.83
-1.5 0 0 -1.5 5320 2280 2250 109.99 108.15 1.84
-1.5 0 0 -1.5 5440 2280 2250 109.99 102.25 7.74
-1.5 0 0 -1.5 5600 2280 2240 109.99 112.73 -2.74
-0.8 0 0 -0.8 5720 2270 2230 109.99 112.56 -2.57
0 0 0 0 5880 2240 2250 109.99 111.33 -1.34
0 0 0 0 6040 2190 2210 109.99 109.62 0.37
0 0 0 0 6120 2180 2180 109.99 111.33 -1.34
0 0 0 0 6280 2190 2220 109.99 109.6 0.39
0 0 -1.5 0 6400 2190 2250 109.99 110.24 -0.25
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Ive also emailed Dave (PDT) the logs tonight, so he can draw his valued opinion on this.
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I still think you are mitigating the problem Steve and not fixing it. If the shaft seal has failed on your fuel pump then it will likely be emptying fuel into the engine oil which won't do your engine any good.
A new pump is probably circa £130 so not the end of the world compared to many parts.
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I still think you are mitigating the problem Steve and not fixing it. If the shaft seal has failed on your fuel pump then it will likely be emptying fuel into the engine oil which won't do your engine any good.
A new pump is probably circa £130 so not the end of the world compared to many parts.
My oil level drops Stu , not raises, and doesnt smell of any Super unleaded :signLOL:
Brand new pump would no doubt cure to an extent, but only if i feel all other potential posibilities into low fuel pressure have been ruled out.
Fuel filter has never been off, so thats a 1st place for me to double check.
Superchips have responded, and looks like this isnt the 1st case....From Email "quote"
Morning Steve,
Glad to see it is running well again, we have our solution. The new remap has reduced filling tables (boost), we have seen other cars from time to time that struggle with the standard Stage 2 who require this. The logs now show all is as it should be, I would advise you stick with this now.
Regards,
Jo. Superchips
Once again , S.C's responce has been superb in all this. :happy2:
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I'm not suprised it struggles if its using the same boost levels as a stage 3 file does but without the petrol :laugh:
At least you got it sorted :happy2:
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i emailed bluefin today stating my boost figures and explaining the dip in power also showing them my graph
here is there response
Hi Mark
These boost figures are low, we would expect the engine to be running 17-18 psi with the stage 2 file. I would suspect that you have a tear in the diaphragm in your dump valve, I suspect this as you turbo is able to produce more boost with the higher load that are achieved using the higher gears and we also come across the issue quite often on the VW Cup cars that we tune.
The dump valve is incorporated into the Turbo, this is on the back of the engine and is most easily accessed from underneath with the vehicle on a ramp.
I hope this helps
Regards
Dave
ive already changed the dumpvalve so it can't be this, but at least i now know i am not boosting correctly. PCV fix will hopefully fix this
im doing some data logging tonight so will post up the results when ive done those, as i wont know what they are showing lol
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didnt get chance to do any data logging
recieved my bsh stage 1 fix this morning so will try and get that fit asap and hope this is the problem
if not i will try and data log
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Here's a pic of the broken PCV.
You can see the check valve inside is broken, the circular piece should be centred, but its broken a loose and never creates a seal.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft56%2FLiver89%2FIMG_0221.jpg&hash=0e142cf82842b370a5f3cfacd7e4133187077ebe)
hopefully the car should boost better now, i think im gonna try re-installing the software too, just because the last time it was installed the car had just gone crazy and imobolised itself etc, just for piece of mind really, few days standard then back to stage 2
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put the car back on the standard map and the car is pretty much boosting the same as it was previously
will try n get logs in standard mode then with the map on to compare
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sorted the logging out
here are the logs, remember the car is on the standard map, will also log 2mora when the map is back on to show the differences
Group A: '002 Group B: '106 Group C: '115
Engine Speed Engine Load Injection Intake Air Mass Fuel Rail Electrical Electrical Time Engine Speed Engine Load Boost Pressure Boost Pressure
TIME Timing TIME Pressure Fuel Pump 1 Fuel Pump 2 TIME (specified) (actual)
Marker STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP bar % s STAMP /min % mbar mbar
0.11 2360 121.8 4.08 68.56 0.24 109.4 55.7 655.35 0.01 2360 121.1 1720 1470
0.51 2520 130.1 4.59 75.44 0.63 109.4 56.9 655.35 0.36 2440 127.1 1740 1590
0.88 2640 139.1 4.84 81.17 1.02 110.1 57.6 655.35 0.75 2600 137.6 1780 1740
1.27 2760 144.4 5.1 87.97 1.4 109.4 58.8 655.35 1.14 2720 142.9 1770 1820
1.66 2920 145.9 5.1 89.97 1.78 110.7 58.8 655.35 1.54 2840 145.9 1760 1830
2.05 3040 144.4 5.1 91.69 2.17 108.8 59.6 655.35 1.91 3000 144.4 1750 1780
2.42 3160 143.6 5.36 97.22 2.57 110.1 60.4 655.35 2.3 3120 143.6 1740 1750
2.81 3320 143.6 5.61 101.42 2.94 109.4 60.8 655.35 2.69 3240 143.6 1730 1740
3.2 3440 143.6 5.61 105.94 3.33 108.2 61.6 655.35 3.08 3400 142.9 1720 1740
3.6 3560 143.6 5.61 106.86 3.72 108.8 62 655.35 3.45 3520 143.6 1720 1750
3.97 3680 139.1 5.36 108.89 4.11 110.7 61.6 655.35 3.84 3640 139.8 1710 1690
4.36 3800 139.1 5.36 112.97 4.48 108.2 62.4 655.35 4.23 3760 139.8 1700 1700
4.75 3920 139.1 5.36 115.75 4.88 110.7 63.5 655.35 4.63 3880 139.8 1700 1690
5.14 4040 139.1 5.36 120.33 5.26 108.8 63.5 655.35 5 4000 139.8 1690 1680
5.51 4160 139.8 5.61 122.81 5.65 109.4 64.3 655.35 5.39 4120 139.1 1690 1680
5.9 4240 141.4 5.87 130.92 6.03 110.1 65.1 655.35 5.78 4240 140.6 1690 1680
6.29 4360 142.1 5.87 133.47 6.42 109.4 65.5 655.35 6.17 4320 141.4 1690 1680
6.68 4480 142.9 6.12 138.31 6.81 109.4 66.3 655.35 6.54 4440 142.9 1690 1680
7.06 4560 144.4 6.12 142.22 7.2 108.2 67.5 655.35 6.93 4560 144.4 1680 1670
7.44 4680 144.4 6.12 144.58 7.58 110.1 67.5 655.35 7.32 4640 144.4 1680 1670
7.84 4800 143.6 6.12 145.61 7.96 108.8 67.1 655.35 7.71 4760 143.6 1680 1660
8.23 4880 143.6 6.12 148.58 8.35 110.1 67.8 655.35 8.09 4840 142.9 1670 1680
8.6 4960 142.1 6.12 150.11 8.74 110.1 68.2 655.35 8.48 4960 141.4 1670 1660
8.99 5080 142.9 6.12 154.97 9.12 108.8 68.6 655.35 8.87 5040 142.1 1660 1660
9.38 5160 142.9 6.12 156.56 9.51 108.2 68.6 655.35 9.26 5120 142.1 1630 1670
9.77 5240 139.8 6.12 154.97 9.9 108.2 69.4 655.35 9.63 5200 141.4 1610 1640
10.15 5320 136.1 5.87 155.31 10.29 110.1 69.8 655.35 10.02 5280 137.6 1600 1600
10.54 5400 133.8 5.87 154.11 10.66 112 68.6 655.35 10.41 5360 135.3 1490 1580
10.93 5440 83.5 3.06 84.83 11.05 113.3 58.8 655.35 10.81 5440 109 1040 1620
11.32 5520 104.5 4.08 129 11.44 108.8 62.7 655.35 11.18 5520 101.5 1500 1200
11.69 5600 119.5 5.1 157.89 11.83 108.2 62.7 655.35 11.57 5560 115 1530 1350
12.08 5600 103 4.34 113.75 12.21 111.4 63.1 655.35 11.96 5640 92.5 1430 1450
12.47 5680 106.8 4.34 132.25 12.59 109.4 64.7 655.35 12.35 5680 106 1460 1240
12.86 5760 118.8 5.1 148.44 12.99 105.6 67.8 655.35 12.72 5720 115.8 1310 1360
13.24 5840 115.8 4.84 139.06 13.38 115.2 63.5 655.35 13.11 5800 120.3 1250 1410
13.63 5840 78.2 2.81 85.81 13.75 110.1 60 655.35 13.5 5840 78.2 930 1460
14.02 5920 100.8 4.08 129.97 14.14 105.6 64.3 655.35 13.89 5880 97.7 1290 1170
14.41 5960 105.3 4.34 136.64 14.53 110.7 65.9 655.35 14.27 5960 103 1440 1210
14.78 6000 117.3 5.1 157.69 14.92 102.4 69.4 655.35 14.65 6000 112.8 1440 1300
15.17 6080 130.8 5.87 173.89 15.3 108.8 70.2 655.35 15.05 6080 127.8 1430 1490
15.56 6160 132.3 5.87 172.5 15.69 110.1 70.2 655.35 15.44 6120 133.1 1420 1520
15.95 6200 125.6 5.61 165.83 16.08 109.4 69.8 655.35 15.81 6200 127.8 1410 1460
16.32 6280 121.8 5.36 163.22 16.47 108.2 69.8 655.35 16.2 6280 121.8 1400 1430
16.71 6360 121.1 5.36 162.78 16.84 109.4 69.8 655.35 16.59 6320 121.1 1380 1410
17.1 6400 118.8 5.1 160.78 17.23 111.4 70.6 655.35 16.98 6400 119.5 1370 1390
17.49 6440 116.5 5.36 161.58 17.62 106.2 69.8 655.35 17.35 6440 116.5 1350 1380
17.87 6520 117.3 5.36 163.64 18.01 110.7 70.2 655.35 17.74 6480 118.8 1350 1370
18.28 6560 115 5.1 161.31 18.4 112.6 69.8 655.35 18.14 6560 117.3 1340 1350
18.66 6640 113.5 5.1 160.58 18.79 107.5 69.4 655.35 18.54 6600 113.5 1330 1330
19.06 6680 112.8 4.84 160.47 19.18 113.9 69.4 655.35 18.91 6640 113.5 1270 1330
19.43 6720 110.5 4.84 159.61 19.57 113.3 69.4 655.35 19.3 6720 111.3 1250 1300
19.82 6720 106 4.59 151.58 19.95 114.6 67.8 655.35 19.69 6720 108.3 1200 1260
Saturday 21 May 2011 18:12:42:29760 VCDS Version: Release 10.6.4 Data version: 20110418
1K0 907 115 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 00 0070
Group A: '002 Group B: '106 Group C: '115
Engine Speed Engine Load Injection Intake Air Mass Fuel Rail Electrical Electrical Time Engine Speed Engine Load Boost Pressure Boost Pressure
TIME Timing TIME Pressure Fuel Pump 1 Fuel Pump 2 TIME (specified) (actual)
Marker STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP bar % s STAMP /min % mbar mbar
0.2 2320 151.1 5.36 84.36 0.33 109.4 56.5 655.35 0.06 2240 142.9 1850 1830
0.58 2400 166.2 5.87 90.64 0.72 109.4 58.4 655.35 0.45 2360 163.9 1820 2070
0.97 2520 160.2 5.87 81.83 1.09 109.4 57.3 655.35 0.84 2520 163.9 1800 2060
1.36 2640 145.1 5.1 78.22 1.48 110.7 56.5 655.35 1.24 2600 148.9 1790 1860
1.75 2760 140.6 5.1 82.83 1.87 110.7 56.5 655.35 1.61 2720 141.4 1780 1780
2.12 2840 140.6 5.1 85.47 2.27 110.1 57.6 655.35 2 2840 141.4 1770 1780
2.51 2960 141.4 5.36 90.28 2.64 110.1 58.8 655.35 2.39 2920 140.6 1760 1770
2.9 3080 142.1 5.61 94 3.03 110.1 58.8 655.35 2.78 3040 142.1 1750 1770
3.29 3160 142.9 5.61 96.97 3.42 109.4 59.2 655.35 3.15 3120 142.9 1740 1750
3.66 3280 142.1 5.61 101.58 3.81 109.4 59.6 655.35 3.54 3240 142.1 1730 1740
4.05 3400 142.9 5.61 104.28 4.18 110.1 60 655.35 3.93 3360 143.6 1720 1750
4.45 3480 141.4 5.61 105.47 4.57 110.1 60.4 655.35 4.32 3440 142.1 1720 1730
4.84 3560 142.1 5.61 108.75 4.97 109.4 60.4 655.35 4.7 3560 142.1 1710 1730
5.21 3680 139.8 5.36 109.78 5.35 110.1 60.8 655.35 5.09 3640 140.6 1710 1710
5.6 3760 136.1 5.36 109.89 5.72 110.7 60.8 655.35 5.48 3760 136.8 1700 1670
5.99 3880 137.6 5.36 115.22 6.12 110.1 61.6 655.35 5.87 3840 136.8 1690 1680
6.38 3960 137.6 5.36 116.83 6.51 110.1 61.2 655.35 6.24 3920 137.6 1690 1680
6.76 4080 138.3 5.36 120.44 6.9 109.4 62.7 655.35 6.63 4040 138.3 1680 1690
7.14 4160 139.1 5.61 123.83 7.27 107.5 63.1 655.35 7.02 4120 139.1 1680 1690
7.53 4280 139.1 5.61 125.92 7.66 110.7 63.5 655.35 7.41 4240 139.8 1680 1670
7.93 4360 139.1 5.61 129.94 8.05 110.7 64.3 655.35 7.79 4320 139.8 1680 1670
8.3 4480 142.1 5.87 134.42 8.44 109.4 65.1 655.35 8.17 4440 140.6 1680 1670
8.69 4560 142.1 5.87 139.92 8.81 110.1 66.3 655.35 8.56 4520 142.9 1680 1660
9.08 4640 141.4 6.12 140.64 9.2 110.1 67.1 655.35 8.96 4640 141.4 1670 1660
9.47 4760 142.1 6.12 145.22 9.6 110.1 67.1 655.35 9.33 4720 142.1 1670 1660
9.84 4840 140.6 5.87 145.64 9.99 110.1 67.1 655.35 9.72 4800 141.4 1670 1650
10.23 4920 139.8 5.87 147.94 10.36 111.4 67.5 655.35 10.11 4920 141.4 1660 1660
10.62 5000 141.4 5.87 153.78 10.75 108.2 67.8 655.35 10.5 5000 142.1 1660 1670
11.02 5120 141.4 6.12 152.75 11.14 108.2 67.8 655.35 10.87 5080 141.4 1640 1670
11.39 5200 139.1 5.87 152.94 11.53 110.7 68.2 655.35 11.27 5160 139.1 1620 1640
11.78 5280 136.8 5.87 153.17 11.9 109.4 67.8 655.35 11.65 5240 136.8 1600 1600
12.17 5360 134.6 5.87 155.36 12.29 111.4 68.2 655.35 12.05 5320 135.3 1580 1590
12.56 5440 135.3 5.87 156.42 12.69 109.4 68.2 655.35 12.42 5400 134.6 1560 1590
12.94 5520 132.3 5.61 156.03 13.08 110.7 68.2 655.35 12.81 5480 133.1 1550 1560
13.32 5600 131.6 5.61 156.42 13.45 106.9 68.2 655.35 13.2 5560 131.6 1530 1530
13.71 5680 129.3 5.61 156.75 13.84 110.7 68.2 655.35 13.59 5640 130.1 1520 1520
14.11 5760 129.3 5.61 159.47 14.23 109.4 68.2 655.35 13.96 5720 130.1 1500 1510
14.48 5800 128.6 5.61 158.94 14.62 108.8 68.6 655.35 14.35 5760 128.6 1490 1490
14.87 5880 127.8 5.36 160.78 14.99 111.4 69 655.35 14.74 5840 126.3 1470 1490
15.26 5920 127.8 5.61 160.78 15.38 108.2 69 655.35 15.13 5920 126.3 1460 1470
15.65 5960 126.3 5.36 163.03 15.77 110.7 69 655.35 15.51 5960 126.3 1450 1460
16.03 6040 125.6 5.36 162.75 16.16 110.1 69 655.35 15.9 6040 125.6 1440 1450
16.41 6120 122.6 5.36 158.56 16.53 110.7 69 655.35 16.29 6080 122.6 1430 1440
16.8 6160 121.8 5.36 161.86 16.93 108.8 69.4 655.35 16.68 6160 122.6 1420 1430
17.19 6200 121.1 5.36 161.89 17.32 110.1 69.4 655.35 17.05 6200 121.8 1410 1420
17.56 6280 119.5 5.1 161.19 17.71 110.1 69.4 655.35 17.44 6280 120.3 1400 1410
17.96 6320 118.8 5.36 159.25 18.08 110.7 69.4 655.35 17.83 6320 119.5 1390 1400
18.35 6400 118 5.36 161.19 18.47 112 69.8 655.35 18.23 6360 117.3 1380 1390
18.74 6440 118.8 5.36 163.53 18.86 110.7 69.8 655.35 18.6 6400 118 1370 1390