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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: scooba on May 18, 2011, 07:07:19 am
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I was just reading all the comments being aired at Bournemouth , then read the comments added by joe public, Have we become a nation off Police haters ?, What do we expect from our officers,I admit I speak to lots due to work and some do have very strange ideas but most do seam pretty normal whatever that is today.
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Speaking as one ... yes, sadly I think people are all too keen to focus on negative stuff generally.
I find people expect 100% rightly ... but when they only get 99% (as everyone is human and miracles don't happen!) the public now focus on that 1% and totally forget the 99% that is good. I think that is a problem with our society which starts in schools and has got silly. People just don't want to accept responsibility for their own actions - no matter how stupid.
It seems impossible for the police (and many, many other organisations) to do things right - given Mr Blair introduced I believe more than one new law a day for all the time he was in power ... officers are simply overwhelmed.
I have never experienced (in 22+ years of being a police officer) such a disgusting attitude from people. When someone has been beheaded in a car crash and you get people moaning about why can't the police just shift the body and chuck the bits into a bag at the side of the road I am lost for words .... people follow up such comments with 'well, of course I am sorry for the family' ... but they are not. They are more bothered about getting to work. People's attitude stinks. 20 years ago I never heard people with attitudes like today.
It is seriously depressing - I for one just do things the best I can and am happy 'most' of the time I am doing it well. I get stuff wrong like everyone .... but do believe the Police now are 'better' than they were when I joined and more reasonable. They are though tied up by protocol and rules + laws that mean many things can seem odd and stupid to the general public. 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful weapon to use and sadly it is used to slap you round the face for the 1% errors.
CSI and the like doesn't help people's expectations of what can be done in investigations - TV shows are not, sadly, reality ... but people do actually believe this stuff ! A minor scuffed panel in a Tesco car park or glass from a smashed headlight where the other car failed to stop will not get the offenders paint or glass sent to a lab for analysis ... it costs huge amounts of money, needs authorities you won't get and doesn't give the results people think .... yet they expect this. People want officers to turn up to stuff .... I know I do if something happens .... and it is what I used to do years ago .... but now the officers are buried finishing off yesterdays paperwork to cover their behind before the next job ... society has created these problems ... and I don't know the answer :confused:
I could go on but my blood pressure will go up and you lot will get bored :grin:
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People seem to resent being caught and punished for doing something they know is wrong, go figure? They also don't seem to realise that it's the Government that makes the laws, the Police just enforce them.
I am massively pro-Police. I have a real problem with the anti too, they're generally feral scumbags who fail to realise if they weren't out committing so much crime, the Police might have the resource available to go hunting their little Chardonnay when the local nonce who has gone undetected because of said resource being tied up with their crime nabs her.
If people spent more time supporting the Police, instead of fighting against them, this country would be in a much better state. Respect is due to all people who sacrifice themselves to protect others.
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Unfortuately most people on have dealings with the police for two reasons. They have either been the victim of a crime(and its not be addressed as quickly or as efficiently as one would like) or are being persued for committing one(without any suspicion of innocence!).
My own personal opinion of the police is that they are relatively easy going and will give respect back to person if it is given to them. It must be hard dealing with the more problematic elements of society on a daily basis and I myself wouldnt want to attend some bagheads run down home with needles everywhere every other day as my "job"
It is a shame however that so much money and publicity is put into road traffic policing - IE performace unmarked cars(no problem with marked cars), speed cameras positioned purely to generate revenue and the overzealous enforcement of minor infringments such as numberplates with a D on!(personal to me :signLOL:)
Its hard sometimes to remember that there is a person beneath that uniform and that is something I always try to keep in mind whenever I am having a "chat" with an officer.
The police to me are like streetlamps - useful to have around although they get in the way occasionally but I wouldnt want to be one!! :signLOL:
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Performance cars ie Lexus IS-F and Evo type stuff are actually quite rare.
My traffic unit has two unmarked car out of 22 vehicles ... and they are both diesel. Infact all our cars are diesels ...
As for number plates .... guess where having them as a target came from .... It was only for a short period but this 'direction' happens a fair bit from above. The officers do what the chief officers ... home office .... government direct.
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People don't generally tend to complain when that unmarked performance car was the one that chased their car and caught the scumbags who broke into their house and took the keys whilst holding a knife to their wife's throat.
You only have to watch the documentaries to see how useful and important these cars are to the Police, they are a tool for a job - they're not bought for fun.
Speed cameras wouldn't be needed if people didn't speed.
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The Two officers who visited me last Thursday,were professional and extremely knowledgeable.When CSI turned up my wife was a bit miffed he did'nt look anything like Grissom. :signLOL:
But its nearly a week now and I have,nt had a return call/phone call.. Maybe I'm expecting too much but this has never happened to me so I dunno.
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My guess is they'll be out hunting it. When a mate's R36 went, they didn't say much for the first few weeks and then as time went on there were a few updates.
The best update was when they caught the lads involved during an armed blag, he got a letter advising they'd got 10 years... they weren't caught with an unmarked Astray TDI either.
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Personally I find only the older generation respect the police for the most part. Partly because they were brought up when times were hard and you learnt to just get on with stuff and secondly because if you got cheeky with a copper you got a clip around the ear!
I'm not saying we should be allowed to open a can of whoop arse every time somebody answers back but there should be some legislation that allows us to deal EFFECTIVELY with people who are disrespectful. I know its part of the job but I've been called everything under the sun and been injured numerous times by scrotes. When you get them to court they get naff all and half the time CPS can't even be arsed running it because 'its part of the job'.
If you don't punish someone for being disrespectful why would the stop? There should be a certain element of fear that if they get in the way then they get the book thrown at them.
Even good upstanding plebs eyeball me when I'm driving about and thats because they know we won't hit back.
It is difficult updating victims all the time too. It needs doing but when your looking into about thirty crimes at any one point you could sit in the office half the day just updating people with tiny insignificant facts.
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It is difficult updating victims all the time too. It needs doing but when your looking into about thirty crimes at any one point you could sit in the office half the day just updating people with tiny insignificant facts.
I couldn't agree more ...
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I think when your a victim even the theft of a garden gnome is heinous but when your dealing with genuinely serious stuff you forget that I think? There rises the problem about updating people as what officers and the public see as serious are too different things and the only way you get the outlook of an officer is to be be one in my opinion.
We do try though :smiley:
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SO8 what force you work for? Kent by any chance?
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i had a lovely traffic cop spend half an hour outside my house last night after following me with blues on up my street. I carried on up the street then pulled onto my drive
my mum had gone past me and i was waving like an idiot just as she'd gone past, looked like i was doing it to the under cover traffic cop so he came after me, and pulled me for a 3/4 sized number plate,
fair enough but half an hour, gave me a ticket, quized me, as on our garage wall inside due to us all having private plates there are our old number plates so he thought he'd found bin laidens cave by seeing them, thought I was steeling cars, got out took pics of my plate, to send to the dvla. Took the details of my dubmeister legal pressed plate as he said that was also illegal. Said he didnt know how we could afford the cars at the house and demanded to know how much i pay for my golf each year since i have had it for insurance, alot was not satisfactory he wanted figures.
had a look around the car told me he liked it after initially been very off. While i was in his car, his wife rung, he answered while still belted up with the engine running, if i felt like i wouldnt have got into any more trouble id have said something about that as if he saw me do that he'd probably have given me three points.
Then once i had left, he was straight back onto the phone to the wife for another 20/25 minutes. Nice waste of time for him, again still with engine running etc.
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Trust no one in our job mate :innocent:........seriously though some people give the job a bad name.
Whats the name on the ticket as I'll probably know the officer?
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he was fair enough with me, i was more than ok with him, saw him 5minutes later with 3 bikers on the dual carridgeway by the red kite, which is where he pulled me, just up behind the new in pub, id come off the red kite round about
if i'd to rate his policing it would be around 6/10 just for his attitude at the start and asking how i could afford the car, when he didnt ask what my occupation was or anything
not sure just checked my wallet where i thought the ticket was and its not there, hope its at home.
will check my ticket when i find it at home, he was balled, white, about 6 ft2, medium build, mid 40's, grey 58reg 5 series estate
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Yes it is only the few rotten apples that spoil the otherwise untarnished barrel. :wink:
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he was fair enough with me, i was more than ok with him, saw him 5minutes later with 3 bikers on the dual carridgeway by the red kite, which is where he pulled me, just up behind the new in pub, id come off the red kite round about
if i'd to rate his policing it would be around 6/10 just for his attitude at the start and asking how i could afford the car, when he didnt ask what my occupation was or anything
not sure just checked my wallet where i thought the ticket was and its not there, hope its at home.
will check my ticket when i find it at home, he was balled, white, about 6 ft2, medium build, mid 40's, grey 58reg 5 series estate
I bet it says 'D.Labourne'............
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Some police are right tossers, and others are really cool. I get pulled over say once every two weeks due to the car I drive and for the fact I look about 16 when in certain parts of London (rougher).
Most of the officers are pretty cool actually, and there are a few who are right assholes for no reason. Suppose they are upset that I turn out not to be a drug dealer after getting their hopes up of "catching a criminal" .
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Trust no one in our job mate :innocent:........seriously though some people give the job a bad name.
Shame really, as I defend police to the death, but then look at some of my colleagues and wouldn't trust them with a pen, let alone tazer/firearms.
Liver, again,backing upmy above comment and not being able to think that he has done wrong, there is no better feeling than for a police officer to get a result out of nothing, rather than being sent to a job, hence why he could have been taking so long with you, other possibility, in my experience drink drivers/ no insurance / disqual drivers will not pull over if close to home as they think that once they are on their drive that they are safe and the car cannot be seized/ they cannot be arrested. (though he could have just been clueless, I dunno!)
I do find it difficult doing this job at times, and sometimes find that the older generation look down at me, due to having a 29 year old and my partner who is 32 telling them things, as if I cannot pass wisdom on due to age.
But I also think that dealing with younger people is just as troublesome due to no one being able to stop them from doing what they are doing until police become involved, and even then they know there is only so much can be done to stop them.
Dealt with an Indian male last week who wouldn't let us or his wife (who was leaving him due to problems stemming from an arranged marriage) into the house to collect her belongings, he was arrested and whilst in custody said he was making a complaint against us, the Inspector bargained with him, and the complaint was dropped on the condition he was released without charge. I was livid the day after, is that all you have to do to get away with crime nowadays!?! :surprised: :stupid:
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What are the issues around B'mouth? I lived there for two years without incident! :grin:
Generally speaking, people these days are of the "consumer" type - they want xyz without abc, despite the fact that you can't. They want other "dangerous" drivers off the road, but get aggrieved if they get pulled over for doing something themselves.
The other problem is Govt and their stupid targets. Interpretation seems to be that pulling over motorists for offences generates higher figures than burglaries etc where time and effort is required. This is what's being spread by the media and the largely uninformed, general public lap it up like kittens to a saucer. Just as naive too.
I have never experienced (in 22+ years of being a police officer) such a disgusting attitude from people.
As above, they want the entire world fawning after them but when others need the attention, they kick up a fuss. Selfishness and lack of respect.
CSI and the like doesn't help people's expectations of what can be done in investigations
Judges and expert witnesses have often commented on public expectations which are fed by semi-fantasy shows such as CSI.
I am massively pro-Police.
+1. Wouldn't do their job! :grin:
Unfortuately most people on have dealings with the police for two reasons. They have either been the victim of a crime(and its not be addressed as quickly or as efficiently as one would like) or are being persued for committing one(without any suspicion of innocence!).
Personally, I think it's a case of he who shouts loudest gets heard. Hence, Mr Bloggs gets on the cover of the Daily Wail because the police didn't get catch a baddie, but the police don't get any mention when things go right.
Personally I find only the older generation respect the police for the most part. Partly because they were brought up when times were hard and you learnt to just get on with stuff and secondly because if you got cheeky with a copper you got a clip around the ear!
+1 for this too. The older generation were brought up more stoically rather than the whiny little brats that current society is. Completely agree that some degree of "come back" would help deal with it but it's not going to happen. Same with teachers being bullied by pupils and can't do anything to discipline them. Parents often expect everyone else to do their job for them!
Dealt with an Indian male last week
One of the worse, and you can't call me racist! There are big issues with patriarchal family systems which just do not work IMO, especially in this country.
Of the one time I had to deal with the Police, it was fine, though a bit puzzling. If any of you know the Shell garage by the university in Southampton, you'll know it's right next to campus and next to some traffic lights. I pulled out and did so a little quick because the lights had just changed and traffic was oncoming. Didn't fancy waiting five minutes until it'd calmed down. Right at the front was a police van. I turned into the campus and the van kept following. Thought "oh $hit!" and turned to cut through some buildings to head to the houses at the back of the university. Van followed me down and I thought they're definitely following me. Pulled me up at the top of my road and they thought I'd pulled out a bit fast from the petrol station. My insurance had just been renewed and they couldn't pick it up on the MID. They were going to give me a producer but I asked if they'd follow me home and I could give them the documents. They were happy with this. No other problems and they were very polite throughout. Was just a bit frustrated since I was in a 1.25 fiesta at the time! But they were very courteous and professional so can't really complain.
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Trust no one in our job mate :innocent:........seriously though some people give the job a bad name.
Shame really, as I defend police to the death, but then look at some of my colleagues and wouldn't trust them with a pen, let alone tazer/firearms.
Liver, again,backing upmy above comment and not being able to think that he has done wrong, there is no better feeling than for a police officer to get a result out of nothing, rather than being sent to a job, hence why he could have been taking so long with you, other possibility, in my experience drink drivers/ no insurance / disqual drivers will not pull over if close to home as they think that once they are on their drive that they are safe and the car cannot be seized/ they cannot be arrested. (though he could have just been clueless, I dunno!)
I do find it difficult doing this job at times, and sometimes find that the older generation look down at me, due to having a 29 year old and my partner who is 32 telling them things, as if I cannot pass wisdom on due to age.
But I also think that dealing with younger people is just as troublesome due to no one being able to stop them from doing what they are doing until police become involved, and even then they know there is only so much can be done to stop them.
Dealt with an Indian male last week who wouldn't let us or his wife (who was leaving him due to problems stemming from an arranged marriage) into the house to collect her belongings, he was arrested and whilst in custody said he was making a complaint against us, the Inspector bargained with him, and the complaint was dropped on the condition he was released without charge. I was livid the day after, is that all you have to do to get away with crime nowadays!?! :surprised: :stupid:
Cheers for the tip big al!! il be sure to use it next time!! :happy2: :grin:
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This is a societal issue, and not a policing issue.
With increasingly dismissive attitudes towards society (and those who protect and enforce the laws of the society - the police) and with an increasingly disassociative government (both the preceding Labour government and the current government) attempting to micromanage everything in an attempt to blame someone but assign no responsiblity to anyone it is hardly surprising that 1) the police feel under pressure to perform and 2) as a result of this there are incidences of heavy-handed policing and/or incompetent policing (or at least, those two points were always present but with considerably greater media attention today).
With regards to society and acting as a good citizen, I think it is indefensible not to support the police for the greater part, point 2 above notwithstanding.
And with that all said, quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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I bet it says 'D.Labourne'............
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doesnt say his name, just a signature that i can't make out
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I bet it says 'D.Labourne'............
doesnt say his name, just a signature that i can't make out
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:surprised: Should have name and number? It maybe didn't come through on the carbon copy or something. Never mind.
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possible way of getting out of the ticket? lol
carbon copy he had to write out again on the actual ticket that i have due to none of it coming through
no name or police number on it
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It depends what ticket you were given to be honest mate.
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offence i think was a 309
long ticket like with tear part at bottom with number to ring and stated fine
top was my details then car details
none on middle was filled out then just above the tear off part was his signature and where he is based etc
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I'll have a check tomorrow to see if they have changed the format. I don't often give out tickets as I'm a nice copper so they might have changed or I could be wrong?
Will check it out tomorrow for ya but you still wouldn't get off with it. You'd just go to court and end up paying more for trying to get out of it.
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i'll just pay then
would have been nice to get out of lol
i nearly didnt have a ticket, put the joggers i had on in the wash and luckily realised i didnt have my ticket and managed to check the pockets before they went in the washer. what would have happened if id have washed them or lost it?
cheers
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i nearly didnt have a ticket, put the joggers i had on in the wash and luckily realised i didnt have my ticket and managed to check the pockets before they went in the washer. what would have happened if id have washed them or lost it?
cheers
Not sure to be honest. You'd probably be able to trace the ticket through the the system and get the reference number so you could pay it.
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Of the one time I had to deal with the Police, it was fine, though a bit puzzling. If any of you know the Shell garage by the university in Southampton, you'll know it's right next to campus and next to some traffic lights. I pulled out and did so a little quick because the lights had just changed and traffic was oncoming. Didn't fancy waiting five minutes until it'd calmed down. Right at the front was a police van. I turned into the campus and the van kept following. Thought "oh $hit!" and turned to cut through some buildings to head to the houses at the back of the university. Van followed me down and I thought they're definitely following me. Pulled me up at the top of my road and they thought I'd pulled out a bit fast from the petrol station. My insurance had just been renewed and they couldn't pick it up on the MID. They were going to give me a producer but I asked if they'd follow me home and I could give them the documents. They were happy with this. No other problems and they were very polite throughout. Was just a bit frustrated since I was in a 1.25 fiesta at the time! But they were very courteous and professional so can't really complain.
Ah yes, this is one of my local (or not so local) Shell garages, also the one just up the road from this on Winchester Road. It can be a bit of a pain turning out of the garage, I can just picture you bombing it round the corner in your little fiesta. :laugh:
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I used either the one on Burgess Rd (which apparently was where they started scamming drivers by scanning in cards) or the one on Thomas Lewis Way (used only once I think).
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I used either the one on Burgess Rd (which apparently was where they started scamming drivers by scanning in cards) or the one on Thomas Lewis Way (used only once I think).
I've never heard about the scam but I know that an elderly man was carjacked at Winchester Rd Shell, put me off a bit. So I just stick to Momentum now as I can also get the shopping done at the same time, plus it's a lot closer.
So I guess you were a Southampton uni geek. :grin:
Yup. Left in 2007 I think. When did the carjacking happen?
Where's the tescos? I remember one by Millbrook I think?
:surprised: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8466477.stm
I know the one by Millbrook, but not that one.
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I'm very pro Police. They're just guys doing what is often a very difficult job and if I break the law and I get caught then that's fair enough < Ooops! I may have just made myself sound like a professional criminal! I have a lot of respect for them and have never had any bad experiences. And I have technically broken the law more times than most of you here have had hot dinners. I have also been of great help to the Police.
Treat others as you expect to be treated yourself.
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So I guess you were a Southampton uni geek. :grin:
Yup. Left in 2007 I think. When did the carjacking happen?
Where's the tescos? I remember one by Millbrook I think?
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Treat others as you expect to be treated yourself.
Couldn't agree more ... :smiley:
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What about Rapists and Paedophiles then ? Treat them the same? :evilgrin:
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What about Rapists and Paedophiles then ? Treat them the same? :evilgrin:
....We're talking about how you treat other people face to face, not what prison sentences should be handed out following a proven crime :rolleye: :stupid:
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What about Rapists and Paedophiles then ? Treat them the same? :evilgrin:
It's called professionalism although I'm somewhat inclined to see your point. You just have to though because if you dish out some pain related learning it just ruins the case and losses you your job.
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Who said anything about proving it? Treat them like we like to be treated? NOT
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Who said anything about proving it? Treat them like we like to be treated? NOT
Who mentioned proving it? All Redrobin is saying is that its a good idea to treat people how YOU would expect to be treated in the same circumstance.
Being able to do that when the person your dealing with makes your skin crawl is about being professional and that's what I was saying.
Besides that its the court who prove innocence, not the police. They just gather enough evidence to create reasonable suspicion the scrote is guilty. Sometimes though that results in them clearly being guilty, other times its not so clear cut.
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Oh really
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Oh really
Bad experience or summat mate?
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"We're talking about how you treat other people face to face, not what prison sentences should be handed out following a proven crime "
Above is what RR said......note the word "Proven"...hence my mention of the word "proving" after it and your question "who mentioned proving"
There is your answer.
It all depends on how you read peoples postings and hence you question " Bad experience or summat mate "
Look at my evil grins after my posts and get the jist :evilgrin:
Have a look through the "what do you do" under my post :evilgrin:
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Thanks for me making rummage through 9 pages of a thread mate :indifferent:. You could have simply said you were also an officer :laugh:. Thank you ( :congrats:) also for pointing out my poor observation skills in which I missed RR mentioning "proven", thus prompting you to say "proving" and me to say "who mentioned proving" :ashamed:.
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Aren't forums great :evilgrin:
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Aren't forums great :evilgrin:
Lol, they certainly are :laugh:, like texting with added ambiguity mate! Where abouts in Suffolk do you cover?
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Methinks that my words were perhaps ambiguous and translation of my word "proven" not as I intended.
I thought we were talking about how we interact with the Police and that's something which happens before anyone is heard in court and judgement passed. Hence my advice to treat Police, or indeed initially anyone, as you expect to be treated yourself. :smiley:
As you were....
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Ipswich :happy2:
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Good thread this , like someone said , it is a problem with society in general , and poor parenting (ie lazy benefits culture - i want everything without giving anything in return). The Police do a bloody hard job and are all better men and women than I , as I would no way have the restraint to be able to deal with the Jeremy Kyle generation on a daily basis.
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You get used to it Dmac.
Makes me appreciate my wife and home that much more when you see the dysfunctional lifes that some people lead.
And I wouldn't blame all problems on parenting. Sometimes you can do everything in your power to help someone, but then someone else comes along and leads them astray, I think a lot of it can come down to pier pressure, and also a lack of will power on that persons behalf.
I could give a thousand examples, some as recent as the weekend to reaffirm my opinion, but I am sure you would get bored of me (if you haven't already!)
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pier pressure
I'm sure Ryde, Wigan, Blackpool or Brighton pier mounted ontop of someone would cause extra problems but peer pressure can be even heavier.....? :signLOL: