MK5 Golf GTI
General => Shows, Events and Meets => Topic started by: heavyd on May 23, 2011, 06:33:52 pm
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A couple of people showed interest for an Roling Road day at PD Tuning. I picked a random date, if anyone else has any other suggestions for a date, please say.
This will be put up on a few VAG forums, so first come first served
Location was suggested by other people, we've been to motorscope and RS Tuning so thought another location might be a good idea.
They have a 4wd Dyno Dynamics Rolling road.
Prices are £30 for 2wd cars, and £40 for 4wd drive cars.
He said there could be 20 places up for grabs, and 5 on the reserves list, more spaces may become available closer to the date if people drop out. Going by what happenned at Leeds, there were quite a few dropouts, so putting your name on the reserves isnt such a bad idea.
If you put your name down and for some reason you can't make it please be courteous and let me know asap so i can allocate a place to another car. Spectators are most welcome.
Start Time is 10 am
http://www.pdtuning.co.uk/
PD Tuning
Unit 18, Bensham Street
Boldon
Tyne & Wear
NE35 9LN
1. Heavyd - ED30
2. Wilse - Megane R26
3. Maxitrol - Mk5 tdi
4. RDS - LCR mk1
5. Nossi_20v - ED30
6. StuF - mk5 gti
7. AuldReekie - 8P S3
8. Bobsey - ED30
9. RapS3 - 8P S3
10. Zsolt - Celica GT4
11. zeap101 - LCR mk1
12. mortygttdi - mkv gttdi
13. lee - focus st3
14 Nick - mk5 golf gti
15 Jim Bling - leon fr pd150
16 wilky - mk4 golf r32
17 minchey - megane 225 trophy
18. MattPoss - mk5 golf gti
19. r32 rich - golf r32 turbo
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I've made a thread over on SCN mate :wink:
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1. Heavyd - ED30
2. Wilse - Megane R26
3. Maxitrol - Mk5 tdi
4. RDS - LCR mk1
5. Damogean - ED30
6. StuF - mk5 gti
7. AuldReekie - 8P S3
8. jon-tfsi
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added it to Durham Dubs forum as well
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1. Heavyd - ED30
2. Wilse - Megane R26
3. Maxitrol - Mk5 tdi
4. RDS - LCR mk1
5. Damogean - ED30
6. StuF - mk5 gti
7. AuldReekie - 8P S3
8. Scrupes - mk5 GTi
9. RapS3 - 8P S3
10. jon-tfsi - LCR mk2
11. Nossi_20v
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I'll be up for this aswell.
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Ok then folks, I spoke to PDtuning today. If everyone on the lists still wants to run, even with the amount running, it can still go ahead.
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I could be up for this, would be good to get a standard run in before mapping. Think I'm going to get PDT to do my map anyway.
I'll check ive got nothing else on and let you know for definate
Matt
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Go on then ill get up for this see if my car need the PDT touch :notworthy:
Darren
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Gutted I cant make it :sad1:
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good to see you thier Darren
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name added :happy2:
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Can you put my mate Wilky mk4 with his r32 on the list plz Dom :happy2:
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Even though I'll have no more power to show, might as well go for it :) Add me to the list please, cheers. MK5 TDI.
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names added :happy2:
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If theres still space i'll pop over and have a go on the rollers :happy2:
Matt
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Nice one Matt be good to meet you
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Likewise Andy, even though i'm still standard (except the TBE) I thought i'd pop over for a look.
Think i'm wanting to get Dave to do my map anyway when I get saved up so will be good to chat to him too.
Matt
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name added :happy2:
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Likewise Andy, even though i'm still standard (except the TBE) I thought i'd pop over for a look.
Think i'm wanting to get Dave to do my map anyway when I get saved up so will be good to chat to him too.
Matt
i had one of Dave's maps on mine and it was very good :happy2:
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Is it standard practice to use fuel additives at RR meets to artificially raise the BHP output of a particular car at that time - for bragging rights etc?
As ive never done one before I wouldnt want to miss a trick or cheat either.
What is the usual way of carrying out business?
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Is it standard practice to use fuel additives at RR meets to artificially raise the BHP output of a particular car at that time - for bragging rights etc?
As ive never done one before I wouldnt want to miss a trick or cheat either.
What is the usual way of carrying out business?
I dont come accross this, if people want magical figures I advise they use a Dastek dyno, not a dynodynamics :evilgrin:
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Is it standard practice to use fuel additives at RR meets to artificially raise the BHP output of a particular car at that time - for bragging rights etc?
As ive never done one before I wouldnt want to miss a trick or cheat either.
What is the usual way of carrying out business?
Is it standard practice to use fuel additives at RR meets to artificially raise the BHP output of a particular car at that time - for bragging rights etc?
As ive never done one before I wouldnt want to miss a trick or cheat either.
What is the usual way of carrying out business?
I dont come accross this, if people want magical figures I advise they use a Dastek dyno, not a dynodynamics :evilgrin:
thier is no cheating just turn up on the day--if you have a gti put 99 ron fuel in
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Cheers for the info fellas - the car is on 99ron fuel always anyway due to the map.
Looking forward to loosing my RR cherry! :happy2:
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99.9% of the time when I go to a RR day I just rock up with the car in the same state that I've been driving it day in, day out :happy2:
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its always immaculate thou
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i am working on the morning so i should get thier bout 1pm if thats not to late
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it isnt starting until 10, so cant see it being a problem?
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its always immaculate thou
:happy2:
No clutch slip this time :laugh:
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Are you going Damo
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Unfortunitly we are away in Your on the :drinking: on the friday, Andy :sad1:
Will be at Motoscope though..
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Is that this sat.? Might.pop down.after work
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Is that this sat.? Might.pop down.after work
Yup, this Sat bud.
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Gonna be a 7am departure time for me and the missus! :happy2:
Anyone know if they could install a Milltek non res center section at the same time as the Rolling Road is happening?? :jumping:
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Is that this sat.? Might.pop down.after work
Actualy Andy, this is next week. I was getting this one confused with Motoscope (which IS this Sat).. :ashamed:
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:signLOL:Are you going to motorscope then Damo
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Yes, I'll be there for circa 10:00-10:30, Andy :happy2:
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Are all 20 places now filled?
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If It's ok with Dom you can take my place as am not sure what time I will get there
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Are all 20 places now filled?
No not yet mate. Think there might be a couple of dropouts anyway. Probably do the 4wd first anyway, and they'll take more time to setup, what time are you at work until maxitrol
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Finish work at 12.30 should be there bout 1.15
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Would have loved to come to this to see what my newly Shark'd motor was putting out but unfortunately family party on Sat and EvenTT on Sun
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Would have loved to come to this to see what my newly Shark'd motor was putting out but unfortunately family party on Sat and EvenTT on Sun
What type of car do you have? Would have been interesting to see what the shark map made, as not many shark maps make it to a rolling road, as there aren't many of us shark'd people on here :jumping:
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Any chance of a remap discount? It is my birthday on the 15th afterall. It'd be rude not to have it done :grin:
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Would have loved to come to this to see what my newly Shark'd motor was putting out but unfortunately family party on Sat and EvenTT on Sun
What type of car do you have? Would have been interesting to see what the shark map made, as not many shark maps make it to a rolling road, as there aren't many of us shark'd people on here :jumping:
MK5 Golf GT TDI 170 DPF, Just got a Stage 1, only uploaded the map last Monday and it's :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Boys, when you have this RR day make sure that you put the numbers up to see what they are making!!
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Sorry I can't make this any more. Please remove me from the list thanks. Got a few problems that need sorting out before I can RR!
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Barratt, is there anything we can help you with?
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Am going to have to[countdown=][/countdown] drop out of this one, have a busy weekend planned already . . . . have a good day tho lads :happy2: Appologies for bailing, I have a few other priorities atm.
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Dave do you do any aftermarket panel filter I could buy when I'm at yours this coming Saturday?
Darren
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Barratt, is there anything we can help you with?
It's a custom job. Very long story to post here but I'm having to replace an arm that goes between a mount and the gearbox as it had snapped off the gearbox. I also need to replace the mount itself. On the TDI it's the one that the transmission mount sits on top of. Parts of that had disintegrated as well. Just got a piece of steel that I'm bending into place :) otherwise I'd have to replace the gearbox, which I don't fancy doing!
I reckon I might have it sorted before the RR day, I just didn't want to remain on the list and have it so some one can't do a run and me not turn up!
If I had the money I'd have a map done, my MPG is half of what it used to be with this map and it's really pissing me off. Strangely, it's worse in WARM weather. Full WOT in 2nd returns 9 mpg on the instantaneous readout...
If it looks like no one will fill my spot, I'd like to stay on. I reckon I will have it sorted before Saturday.
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Dave do you do any aftermarket panel filter I could buy when I'm at yours this coming Saturday?
Darren
you can borrow mine Darren :happy2:
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Its my b/day in September so looking to purchase one, seen the k&n and pipercross one's on the bay for around £35 but I don't know what if any benefits there are between them?? the K&N looks to be some kind of mesh with a material inside where has the pipercross is foam with a cross hatch pattern on, does one breath better than the other or are they both the same in performance???
Darren
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I'll be there early doors having das auto mapped by Sir Dave :party:
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I have got the itg filter in mine,not sure if it does help or not thou
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Gutted I cant make this :sad1:
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What time is everyone hoping to be there?
Im driving the short :laugh: distance from Lincoln and dont want to miss any of the sessions.
Should take me 2.5hrs at a rough guess! :happy2:
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I'm really sorry folks and I hate doing it but i'm not going to be able to make it :sad1:
Sorry for the short notice, on the other hand I cant wait until Harewood House!
Matt
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I am now going to have to pull out after some idiot pushed a sack trolley past the rear of my car today at work - scraping the paint off the boot and rear bumper.
Im not a happy bunny - only knew about it after I heard someone talking about it.
:sad1: :sad1:FFS!!!!! :sad1: :sad1:
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I am now going to have to pull out after some idiot pushed a sack trolley past the rear of my car today at work - scraping the paint off the boot and rear bumper.
Im not a happy bunny - only knew about it after I heard someone talking about it.
:sad1: :sad1:FFS!!!!! :sad1: :sad1:
you should still come thou
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I'm on my way :grin: :happy2:
Darren
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Some nice cars there today and It was nice to meet some new faces, Keano hope your mapping went better than this morning mate :happy2:
I made a good 207horses and 300ft lb :laugh: not bad for a bluefin stage1 and a little hybrid sitting in there.
Dom sorry had to get back on the road to Leeds, but was nice to meet you again and if you need any help doing the DRL's for your xenons let me know.
Darren
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I'm back! Finally! Bloody road works.
Was really nice to meet you guys, you're a top bunch.
Map is complete and it feels insane! Absolutley quashes my old one! :happy2: :happy2:
Big thanks to Dave too for squeezing me in and doing such a sterling job! :drinking: :drinking:
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^^^ What did it make Keano?
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305.7 bhp.
I was pretty pleased because it only ran a 289 originally, and some people were having low figures that day, so I'm over the moon :pomppomp:
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Glad you are happy with the map, looked at all of the data when I got back and you gained 65hp and 60ft/lb so not surprised the drive home was a bit more fun than the drive up!
Also, that new SW version is very interesting, how does the throttle feel?
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You can say that again! The throttle feels fine.
I've notices it pulls much much harder than my other stage one.
Revs higher.
And the kickdown seems to kick in, even without touching kickdown in 'D'. Not sure of that's worth noting. Z
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You can say that again! The throttle feels fine.
I've notices it pulls much much harder than my other stage one.
Revs higher.
And the kickdown seems to kick in, even without touching kickdown in 'D'. Not sure of that's worth noting. Z
And also the intake chatters like a bitch when on WOT which it didnt before :evilgrin:
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What was your last map? (noticed a Revo sticker on the boot)
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That was for decorative purposes only haha. It was the lad that used to be at rtech. Chris his name is.
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You can say that again! The throttle feels fine.
I've notices it pulls much much harder than my other stage one.
Revs higher.
And the kickdown seems to kick in, even without touching kickdown in 'D'. Not sure of that's worth noting. Z
And also the intake chatters like a bitch when on WOT which it didnt before :evilgrin:
That will be the wastegate controlling boost, keeps the torque delivery nice and consistent. Kickdown is normal, DSG will do this due to the load maps being altered and avoids loading up the transmission at lower rpm at high load. DSG map will alter this.
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Nice to meet some new faces :happy2:
Wouldnt mind some tips for those drls please darren :wink:
1. Heavyd - ED30 shark stage 3 331bhp 349lbs/ft
2. Heavyd - ED30 PDT Tuning stage 2 329bhp 343lbs/ft
3. Maxitrol - Mk5 tdi - Rtech stage 1 186.4bhp 315lbs/ft
4. RDS - LCR mk1 revo 260bhp 295lbs/ft
5. Nossi_20v - ED30 - Ptorque stg 1 312bhp 330lbs/ft
6. zeap101 - LCR mk1 258.3bhp 280lbs/ft
7. mortygttdi - mkv gttdi bluefin stg 1 207bhp 300lbs/ft
8. r32 rich - golf mk4 r32 turbo 427.8bhp 400lbs/ft
9 wilkyr32 - mk4 golf r32 253.4bhp 240lbs/ft
10. Keano - Ed 30 305.7bhp 287lbs/ft
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305.7 bhp.
I was pretty pleased because it only ran a 289 originally, and some people were having low figures that day, so I'm over the moon :pomppomp:
And thats stage 2?
Must feel like a rocket ship. (im in donny till thursday :driver: )
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305.7 bhp.
I was pretty pleased because it only ran a 289 originally, and some people were having low figures that day, so I'm over the moon :pomppomp:
And thats stage 2?
Must feel like a rocket ship. (im in donny till thursday :driver: )
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Stage 1 custom u little monkey. We'll have to meet up rich if weather is nice
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Stage 1... but with an intake? :jumpmove: :jumpmove:
Yeah if its starts to turn nice ill drop you a PM, and you can take me for a spin!
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Stage 1... but with an intake? :jumpmove: :jumpmove:
Yeah if its starts to turn nice ill drop you a PM, and you can take me for a spin!
Another spin rich :signLOL:
Hard time making your mind up you need a map for yours :signLOL:
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LOL... (ive made my mind up already, just havnt got any money till September :sad1:)
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Gutted I had to miss this guys (away in York for the weekend)..
Dom & Keano, nice numbers lads. Nossi, just as you would of expected (I'd of expected a few ponies less than you with my standard exhaust).
Darren, great numbers mate but you now need a custom map to get the best out of that turbo.
:happy2:
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Cheers Damo but would need a new clutch before custom map :surprised: otherwise don't think it would last, Dave said with a decent clutch and a day with them they could see around 350ft lb from it :evilgrin:
Darren
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Cheers Damo but would need a new clutch before custom map :surprised: otherwise don't think it would last, Dave said with a decent clutch and a day with them they could see around 350ft lb from it :evilgrin:
Darren
Hey Darren
Good numbers,
What power mods have you got?
Is yours a mapped PD140 or PD170?
Matt
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Hi Matt thanks mate, yeh its a mapped 140 but also has an hybrid gt1756 turbo fitted, its just needs the milly exhaust, uprated clutch and then custom map which i'm hoping Dave at PDT will sort out for me :happy2:
Darren
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Heres a slideshow of most of the cars on the day courtesy of r32 rich
http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg90/richardshek/RR%20meet%20at%20PDtuning%20July%202011/?albumview=slideshow
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Cheers for organising the day! Was a good day as always just a shame the bad weather seemed to put a few off! And yeah damo was pretty happy with my figures although i was hoping for a little bit more now ive had the intercooler fitted and a new blueflame backbox which looks to flow a lot better than the miltek. I wouldnt mind going on motorscopes rollers to compare, one of the only ones i havn't been on now but we'll see! I think i just need to man up and buy a fuel pump :rolleye:
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As a guide, a Dastek dyno will read within 3-5% of a DynoDynamics for the @wheels figures but about 10-12% higher for the flywheel figures.
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As a guide, a Dastek dyno will read within 3-5% of a DynoDynamics for the @wheels figures but about 10-12% higher for the flywheel figures.
Ahh thanks for clearing that up, that explains why most cars ive seen seem to make fairly higher figures at the flywheel at motorscope than else where! Ive never been on there rollers before but the last one i went on was at rs tuning which is also a dyno dynamics rollers and made very similar power and torque figures to your rolling road :smiley: Oh and thanks for turning myengine management light off for me, been bugging me for a while that has :happy2:
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Couple of nice pics there! What sort of numbers were these 2+ eds making? That mk4 r32 looked really nice!
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The black R32 looks nice but sounded even better, like a jet taking off :notworthy:
Darren
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The sound of r32 tubo :drool:
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Easily the nicest mk4 in the north east IMO.
I think the sound of mattys mk3 vr6 turbo was better. he didnt want me to put figures up on the net. But when mapped properly will be circa 600-700bhp, not bad for something he knocked up himself :confused:
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Agreed both the black r32 turbo and that vr6 turbo sounded awesome on the rollers, would love to hear either of them flying past on the road :driver: Oh and i think the only stage 2+ edition 30 on the day was heavy d's lovely white one :)
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Agreed both the black r32 turbo and that vr6 turbo sounded awesome on the rollers, would love to hear either of them flying past on the road :driver: Oh and i think the only stage 2+ edition 30 on the day was heavy d's lovely white one :)
As a guide, my Revo S2+ Ed30 DSG made 355/373 on Dave's rollers last year.. That was with EVOMS/Autotech/Milly TBE (OEM FMIC)..
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I made an extra 18 bhp 5 weeks ago on the same rolling road :confused: :confused:
This time there was a strange dip at 5000rpmcompared to last time :surprised:
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Im pretty sure that dip is caused by timing pull Dom.
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Why does it timing pull only show as a dip, not a total reduction from then till the redline?
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Rich, its because the ECU has pulled some timing out because it didn't like something. Once the ECU was happy again it stops retarding the timing and releses more power..
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As a guide, my Revo S2+ Ed30 DSG made 355/373 on Dave's rollers last year.. That was with EVOMS/Autotech/Milly TBE (OEM FMIC)..
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Wow thats some very good figures for a dyno dynamics roller especially with just the standard cooler as well! Hows the new bmw going neways? Looked gorgeous at the rs tuning rolling road day :smiley:
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Wow thats some very good figures for a dyno dynamics roller especially with just the standard cooler as well!
Yeah, she did go well. Very similar to Dom's figures on the same rollers..
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Hows the new bmw going neways?
Sideways most of the time.. :signLOL: Only kidding, had a few brown trouser moments, but apart from that I love it to be honest.. Not as bonkers as the Golf was :rolleye: , but that's good in a way.. :smiley:
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Wow thats some very good figures for a dyno dynamics roller especially with just the standard cooler as well! Hows the new bmw going neways? Looked gorgeous at the rs tuning rolling road day :smiley:
Stage 2+ Revo on my car on same rollers :laugh:
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Are you going to the York day Ben next month?
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:party: :party: :party: You mate?
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Should be, trying to get some timing taken off my map, just gonna run standard tyres though, but wanna get into the 13s :driver:
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Dom, you should piss the 13's mate.. I managed a 13.2 in mine @ Pod when Stage 1 with Milly TBE.. If you don't, I am going to take your keys off ya and run it myself.. :signLOL:
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Any more done with the 135 yet Ron? Im considering a few handling mods since ditching the runflats it feels a bit floaty. But also find myself looking at E92 M3's a lot lately......
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No Dave, still as it was when I last saw you mate.. I am enjoying it how it is at the minute to be honest. Not sure if the map has settled in better or with more miles on her she's bedded in a bit more. Either way, i'm not bored of the power yet (which isn't like me :grin:). That's not to say I don't want more though :signLOL:
Haven't ruled out a Cat-less DP for it, but there is no Stage 2 option available for it yet (02 sensor), so hands are tied a bit at the minute.. I'm in no rush for it tbh and i'm sure it will get done at some point. Need to speak with my local dealer first and see what their thoughts are if I do go for a DP. If they say no, then it'll be a no go :sad1:
You tweaked yours anymore mate? :wink:
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Im pretty sure that dip is caused by timing pull Dom.
Found a spot of timing pull when I logged it today -9!!!!!!!!! :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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I'd of thought your fuel rail pressure would of been higher Dom, Revo certainly requests more. If their were more fuel then you MIGHT not get as much timing pull.
Just a guess as I'm no mapper.
You need the map sorting, wouldn't want to be running round with that much timing pull myself, although I know of others who have.
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I was told by the mapper there is no need for more pressure, as the actual volume going into the cylinders is enough at that pressure, I asked the same thing, and he was adamant. I was under the impression that a minus number is running rich anyway. The timing was fine until I had the torque limiter raised with the dsg map, it didn't leave shark with those levels of pull.
I've been in touch wil Ben and he said he would alter the map. I thought about 4 was a nicer number to be running at :confused:
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I was told by the mapper there is no need for more pressure, as the actual volume going into the cylinders is enough at that pressure, I asked the same thing, and he was adamant. I was under the impression that a minus number is running rich anyway. The timing was fine until I had the torque limiter raised with the dsg map, it didn't leave shark with those levels of pull.
You didn't monitor revs on the above log, what revs are you doing at the -9 pull? Is this at the same point where the torque limit has been raised?
Also, timing pull for me woud be a result of a Lean mixture rather than Rich. (maybe wrong)
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I was told by the mapper there is no need for more pressure, as the actual volume going into the cylinders is enough at that pressure, I asked the same thing, and he was adamant. I was under the impression that a minus number is running rich anyway. The timing was fine until I had the torque limiter raised with the dsg map, it didn't leave shark with those levels of pull.
I've been in touch wil Ben and he said he would alter the map. I thought about 4 was a nicer number to be running at :confused:
So was the dsg limiting the timing then if it was fine after being mapped but only high after the dsg remap? Your dsg seems strange, it does all sorts of strange things to the maps.
Or is it a bad batch ofof fuel
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I clicked on the wrong box for the 3rd set of blocks :fighting:
It was a clean rev from 2000pm to 7000rpm or so.
The dsg limits the torque by changing the timing I was told but you cant see that by that set of measuring blocks.
If I knew how much a pain the DSG would have been I would have got a manual, I only got a DSG so I wouldnt have to worry about clutches!
I logged it a couple of times now, first time was -6.5 pull, I logged it the other day with -7 to -9, but just got my laptop back, so did another log today.
At the end of the day, I'm not a mapper and only go off what I've been told :stupid:
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So at least it sounds like its not the maps fault, sounds like it's with changing the DSG map.
Only problem means it's another road trip for you, tell them to go easy on the brakes this time :ashamed:
Stick with it mate, sure you'll end up with a solid car.
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So at least it sounds like its not the maps fault, sounds like it's with changing the DSG map.
Only problem means it's another road trip for you, tell them to go easy on the brakes this time :ashamed:
Stick with it mate, sure you'll end up with a solid car.
they have their new rolling road being fitted as we speak :jumpmove: Theres an open day there on 25 Aug Dom, might be worthy of a vist/meet then
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Wow, megga pull there Dom. Pull = Heat. As said earlier, i would be questioning the map as your not even getting standard fuel rail pressure at some points.
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have you tried logging it with the pdt map you have :smiley:
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Don't think the fuel pressure is much of a worry, as it's mostly a higher pressure?
I would have gone to the open day sy, but Nissan nicely decided to move the august bank holiday to April so got to work all day :sad1: I'll probably head down to the September RR day as I'm off work that week. See how good the Baspro dyno is :laugh:
Think I'll switch back to the stage 1 map until it gets sorted...
This bloody car is a right pain. The joys of tuning eh!
Car drives well. But it Just goes to show how worth while datalogging is :happy2:
have you tried logging it with the pdt map you have :smiley:
think I'll swap over to that one now you mentioned it, time to find a quiet road :driver:
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Well, the PDTuning map looks a lot nicer, theres hardly any timing pull at all, big difference in power though :sad1:
At least I know what the problem is!
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Can Dave not alter his map to get more power to save you a trip down there again
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if that was the case he wouldnt have swapped to Shark in the first place though
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Prob,s right just an idea
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Power isn't everything you know...rather have an engine that's going to last and not have such major timing pull issues!
What's the boost requested on the Shark map then?
PDT's map has a peak 1.4bar request (altho it actually spikes to 1.8 bar :confused: ) with 110 bar fuel pressure.
If the Shark map is asking for 121 bar fuel pressure what boost is it requesting? Must be more than PDT's I'd have thought.
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Just had an email and new map is being sent tomorrow amazing what difference Dsg map makes :fighting: :fighting:
Dave hasnt got a stage 2+ equivalent thats why I went to shark......
Shark map has loads more boost :driver:
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crikey its asking for 1.5bar all the way to 6k rpm!!
no wonder it's pulling some timing! Most maps would have started to tail off.
Think you should get an EGT gauge fitted. :smiley:
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Bear in mind the pdt map is stage 2 and the shark performance map is stage 3 so will have more boostbut see what you mean bout normally tailing off
Timing pull is much less on those logs dom, is that pre dsg remap or post. AFR bang on as well
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The addition of the Revo DSG map doesnt cause high timing pull,too much advance in the map is the problem here, or bad fuel maybe high intake temps?
When mapping any car I always try and get as close as possible to Zero timing pull by advancing timing bit by bit until you get an even 1-3 degrees of pull and then you know you are close to MBT (minimum best timing) and take out a little to be on the safe side, then the customer also has lots of headroom incase of high intake temps or needing to use a 95ron fuel, or both. A certain amount of mechanical sympathy is a good thing.
An engine pulling 8 on the timing wont make any more power than one pulling 1. When too much timing is pulled this can cause over retardation which in turn causes higher exhaust temps.
Looks like you might have another road trip Dom, and more data logging (go easy on the brakes :evilgrin:)
I still dont offer a stg2+ (other than Revo) for these very reasons, way too much work needs to go into them, far too much to expect a customer to be able to cope with understanding let alone expecting them to datalog and remedy the maps by trial and error by email. Superchips had the same issue with Bluefin, so they make the map stupidly safe with very little ignition advance and slightly rich fuelling (otherwise known as "vanilla flavoured mapping") there is a lot more that needs to go into a good stg2+ than a bit more boost, ignition timing and fuel :wink:
Did u get an overlay graph of the current stg2+ and our Stg2?
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The last logs were fresh after the dsg map, on a colder day.
I'll wait and see what tomorrows map brings, at the end of the day, they did a good job the last time with improving the map, might need a road trip, but at least they have a dyno now :laugh:
The last time they added loads of timing, the dsg box was interfering and there wasnt any timing pull showing. When they upped the torque limiter the timing pull shot up, so I guess the same has happened again.
I have faith in Mikko!!! :notworthy:
I never did get the overlaid map Dave, I only got the 'hold 2 dyno sheets of paper against the window to see the difference' version :signLOL:
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Tracing paper.......
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or use excel and do a chart! its quite easy.....
something like this!
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Yes, you could do that. i just wanted to see doms attempt with tracing paper and various coloured crayons. :grin:
Or I can send you one off the dyno if you like :happy2:
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did an excel graph. The two graphs were done in different gears, and the straps were also looser with the PDT map, and there were no gear calibrations done before the run either :wink:
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Your line labels are wrong red/purple are torque curves blue/green are power curves
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Why in different gears :confused:
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Why in different gears :confused:
We will test in 3rd and 4th, the gear the car makes more power in is the graph that will be kept.
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Why in different gears :confused:
Ahh! Wondered why you were pointing out numbers to the lad on the Dyno computer! :grin:
We will test in 3rd and 4th, the gear the car makes more power in is the graph that will be kept.
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Why in different gears :confused:
We will test in 3rd and 4th, the gear the car makes more power in is the graph that will be kept.
So you don't go off the closest 1:1 ratio then, which from other vag tuners is i believe is 4th?
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Theres already been that discussion on SCN Sy, theres always some controversy on a RR Day when people dont get what they expect, and it was the gear that was run for this one :signLOL:
Graph clearly shows that the midrange is a lot stronger, but early power and torque with the PDT will probably be due to the 3rd gear used, whereas shark was 4th. sorry, bit rusty at using excel, havent done graphs since 'A' levels 16yrs ago :stupid:
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Dom, have you still got oem cooler? This may have something to do with the fact the car's holding back now the warmer weather is here.. Mine was considerably less powerfull (but dyno) in the hot weather compared to winter.. I also had to knock the boost and timing back until it got colder..
In winter (with a bit of octane booster in the tank), me and Rich (Cupra R) did some logs on mine and with a AT of 6oC, I was able to run B9 T8 F7 with no greater than -3 on one cylinder (didn't leave it on that mind you).. In the summer months I was getting -6.8 on B8 T5 F6. So just goes to show you the difference it can make..
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Im pretty sure that dip is caused by timing pull Dom.
Found a spot of timing pull when I logged it today -9!!!!!!!!! :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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Thats gonna go Bang Bang if you leave that :surprised:
Any chance of giving more details of engine load, revs, etc.
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I'm still running oem cooler, so looks like the Twincooler might be the next on the list of mods!
I've taken that map off now, dont want to risk it, I had said to Dave the last time I was there that there seems to be a lot of smoke coming out of the car with WOT, my tailgate and bumper were constantly caked in black dots, and had quite a heavy oil usage lately :scared: I managed to kick out more smoke on the dyno day than the diesels :signLOL:
I'm supposed to be getting a new map sent out today, so I'll do some proper logging when I get it :happy2:
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Why in different gears :confused:
We will test in 3rd and 4th, the gear the car makes more power in is the graph that will be kept.
So you don't go off the closest 1:1 ratio then, which from other vag tuners is i believe is 4th?
Ratio does not make any real difference unless the dyno's ramp rate and inertia value is adjusted to suit the gear used. DynoDynamics uses preset values for these parameters when using shootout mode and 3rd gear generally reads higher figures but some cars will make better figures in 4th. So to dispell any 'dyno day lost horsepower' conversations we test in both 3rd and 4th and provide the graph that makes the highes figures. But very rarely is there is any difference anyway!
On old inertia or coastdown dynos, you can gain 20% or lose 20% easily by selecting different gears. I used a Dastek dyno recently that uses the ancient coastdown method to measure flywheel power, there was a difference of 23hp on a 250hp car between 4th and 3rd gears, then in 5th it lost 12bhp at peak but gained 30+ ft/lb. :grin: then by testing in 4th and allowing it to coast down in 3rd we gained 18hp and by tugging the steering to the side slightly during coastdown we gained an extra load of power. Far too many variables.
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oh well, no sign of the promised map.....................
Might sell up and buy a 135i or a porsche 996, only going to cost me an extra couple of grand, and the insurance is the same price :stupid:
Might give up on modifying cars, although I did find that theres a place 15miles down the road that can give me an extra 75bhp and 100torques for a 135i :laugh: