MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: Boothy on May 27, 2011, 10:22:10 am
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Came home from work last night and towards the end of the drive the car jerked badly whilst turning into a junction, almost like a stall. Presumed I must have caught the brake or something and thought no more of it.
Today however its done it twice again in 4 mile? Once when I dipped the clutch it did stall and had to turn the key again and the second time it just began to stall mid reba then died. I dipped the clutch a bumped it off whilst still moving and it was fine again. No warning lights other than the battery but presumably that's due to the stall?
Going away camping today for the weekend and I don't wanna get stranded. Any ideas? Could it be the battery on its way out? All coil packs were recently replaced too.
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The battery lights come on when the car stalls, best to get it scanned for fault codes.
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Once the engines running the battery shouldn't be doing anything but charging all electrical requirements should be coming from the alternator so not a battery issue unless you cant start it from cold.
You really could do with a scan to see whats going on. Also how is your idle is it rough wondering if it could be engine vacuum or something similar.
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Scanned the car and its showing no faults whatsoever? Seems to be running ok again now so maybe just some cap in the fuel maybe? Idle is solid.
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Done 300 mile this weekend and its still has the same problem? Its always at about 2500rpm and usually under very light loads but other than that it seems totally random. I would guess its done it about 10-15 times over the whole journey.
Its like a misfire but it seems to stall if I'm dipping the clutch to say, change gear or pull up at a junction. Apart from the stalling its very similar to when the coil pack started to go but all four were recently replaced under the recall, along with new plugs at the same time so I just can't see them going in a few months and as I said, no faults have been logged. Other times when I was just coasting at a steady speed with very light throttle I could almost feel the car slowing down, as if I had let of the gas a bit. It very strange. :sad1:
Not quite sure what to do really as with no faults logged its gonna cost a bomb to diagnose the issue.
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I would fnd someone with vcds and do some fuel pressure logs?
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Id be inclined to try a new fuel filter
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Thought about the filter to be honest so might give that a try. I might have to call on the services of MortyGTTDI to do the logs too.
Car is going to the bodyshop on Tuesday though for new wings and the boot doing so gonna be without the car for sometime before I can sort it. Just wish it had logged a fault so I could just get it fixed.
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I know you had new coil packs fitted but it may still be worth live logging of your misfire count (blocks 015 and 016). I would also suggest you log block 103 (low-side feed pressure from the tank).
When did you last change your plugs?
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I know you had new coil packs fitted but it may still be worth live logging of your misfire count (blocks 015 and 016). I would also suggest you log block 103 (low-side feed pressure from the tank).
When did you last change your plugs?
Plugs got changed at the same time as the coil packs mate. Having googled it there seems to be a few people have experienced the same issue. It's been put down to the fuel pump, fuel regulator, fuel lift (?), pedal sensor, Ecu and some other bits. All seem to report that no faults were logged etc and it was a process of elimination which will likely mean countless man hours and expensive parts.
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Sounds like my ongoing fault.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,29851.0.html
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Sounds like my ongoing fault.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,29851.0.html
Read through that mate but you seemed to suffer from an erratic idle where as my idle is rock solid.......currently. Could well be the G247 sensor though I suppose?
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Sure it has already been checked, but is the air intake fitted properly after the engine cover was refitted, mine stalled as the connector pipe was slightly loose and not allowing the correct amount of air into the engine.
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Sure it has already been checked, but is the air intake fitted properly after the engine cover was refitted, mine stalled as the connector pipe was slightly loose and not allowing the correct amount of air into the engine.
Checked it mate and it all seems correct :happy2:
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Well I really could just sit down and bloody cry. Dropped off the car at the dealers today for them to start on the bodywork repairs (rust) and asked them to look at the issues I'm having with stalling. It was really bad this morning and at one point I couldn't even get the car to restart.
Anyway apparently it has thrown up the following fault codes:
P1063 - fuel pressure control below limit
P310B - low fuel pressure control outside tolerence
Apparently that took the whole hour of diagnostic that cost me £80. Now he thinks its the cam follower, cam and HPFP but needs another £220 in labour to strip it down to see. Then there are the parts and associated cost to fix those parts and thats providing that it IS those parts that are faulty.
I have never had a car go so fuc*ing wrong in my LIFE! I thought my £800 aircon bill was steep but this is set to reach new heights. I just don't know what to do anymore? I can't drive it anywhere to get a second opinion, I can't just leave it there for ever and I can't even sell the thing with the faults. Well and truly fuc*ed right off to the extreme.
And to add insult to injury my father in laws who was paying for my wedding in 4 months just got made redundant for the second time in two years. C*nts! :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad1:
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I had very similar issues on my TDI (so no idea if any of this relates). I would drive and if I went round corners or lifted off after a bit of speed it would stall with no noise or indication. Needles just went down to stock position etc and had the red battery on also. Although it would take me 10 minutes to get started back up again.
Turned out to be the fuse that does the lift pump, honestly can't remember what no. it was but I could probably dig around the fuse diagrams again.
One thing is that I had no fault codes :(
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I had very similar issues on my TDI (so no idea if any of this relates). I would drive and if I went round corners or lifted off after a bit of speed it would stall with no noise or indication. Needles just went down to stock position etc and had the red battery on also. Although it would take me 10 minutes to get started back up again.
Turned out to be the fuse that does the lift pump, honestly can't remember what no. it was but I could probably dig around the fuse diagrams again.
One thing is that I had no fault codes :(
Had the fuse totally blown then?
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Well the fun part is I actually had it missing. It was also for the MAF sensor so i had all sorts of stuff happening. But after putting one in, i regained MAF and lift pump.
Some numpty also had the two lines on the lift pump the wrong way round ;/
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I got the P310B error once too but it was with the P129F error too.
Turned out to be the low pressure fuel sensor, which was replaced under warranty at the time.
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I just don't get why they have got to strip the rocker cover down and examine the cams until all the other, simple things have been checked like the sensors etc. It just seems like they have seen the fault codes and have decided that it is the most expensive option thats at fault?
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Sounds a lot like fuel pressure sensor.
I would take it elsewhere, £220 to check something that takes less than 30 mins is scandalous. No need to remove rocker cover, just the hpfp.
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Removing the rocker box is less then 10 mins work .
Sometimes a visual check will give good indications, rather then looking a electrical fault codes only.
Also gives them a better idea of the real condition of your engine aswell.
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Sounds a lot like fuel pressure sensor.
I would take it elsewhere, £220 to check something that takes less than 30 mins is scandalous. No need to remove rocker cover, just the hpfp.
If the cam follower is worn, which i think is what the technician was trying to say, could it cause the same issues? It has got progressively worst but it still pulls like a train at high revs? Surely if the cam is fooked then it would be running like a bag of sh*t?
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Removing the rocker box is less then 10 mins work .
Sometimes a visual check will give good indications, rather then looking a electrical fault codes only.
Also gives them a better idea of the real condition of your engine aswell.
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I understands the need for a visual inspection but 3hrs labour for reading the fault codes and removing the HPFP and rocker cover seems a bit ridiculous to me. If I was confident it would get somewhere else I would take it to my local VW specialist but I just ain't sure it will and I don't want to cause any more damage.
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Well I picked up the motor today from VW in Huddersfield today after they repaired the rust on the wings and the boot. It was raining on collection but first impressions are that they have done a superb job.
However the fault is still not diagnosed and it has become ridiculously bad to drive. At idle it stalls within 5 seconds everytime you dip the clutch or sit in neutral and I mean EVERYTIME :confused:.
At high revs its still smooth but anything below 3000 rpm its constantly loosing all throttle response and power. I have got th tools to change the cam follower and the fuel filter but I doubt they will fix the issue. Did anyone else suffer from constant stalling when the HPFP failed or any other parts associated with the fueling system. I just can't think what could be causing it really.
I know it needs to go to the garage, which it will but only once I have checked the cam follower. Seems unlikely that it would run better at high revs than low if the cam was worn though?
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Changed the cam follower and fuel filter today and it hasn't solved the issue of stalling all the time. In all honesty thought the cam follower seemed it ok condition to be honest. It shows some sign of wear as you would expect from two pieces of metal contacting each other but it looks far from fooked if you ask me:
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The surface is still intact and flush, not concave like the really worn ones I've seen on the web. It basically looks like the brand new one but with a little silver patch it the middle. Even so i decided to put the new one it whilst it was apart.
I'm happy in a way as it means that the camshaft shouldn't be worn either so that won't need to be replaced. Hopefully the most expensive part now would be the HPFP and I can cope with that.
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The DLC on it has worn off so it would wear alot faster now - good idea to replace it.
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TFSIs eh, whod have one :fighting:
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TFSIs eh, whod have one :fighting:
Tell me about it! German engineering.......with sh*te parts!
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I want to start this update by saying VW dealers are just plain money grabbers. When I took my car to them they wanted £300 in diagnosis costs alone! They believed the camfollower, camshaft and HPFP were all knackered after looking at the two fault codes the system showed.
Because of this I had the car towed to a a local VW specialist for a second opinion and thank god I did as it has saved me a lot of money.
He checked various bits and bobs and then did some research into the fault codes that resulted in coming across further information relating to a faulty low fuel pressure sensor. He ordered it and then removed the old one for inspection before fitting it. The old one was in a bit of a state to be honest too. Really covered in gunk and dirty when it should have been clean. I also noticed that the fuel that came out of the fuel filter when I replaced it was extremely dirty but the fuel from the inlet lines was clean.
Because of this we decided to replace the sensor and instantly fixed the stalling issue which was very good news however the proof would be in the driving as that it where the problem had first become apparent.
So I set off and initially everything was fine so I gave it some beans. Straight away then the car began to do the same thing but less noticeably however when at idle it was all over the place. Burbling and then nearly stalling and then just revving up to about 2k and then back again? My heart sank but then I realized that I had had a similar issue when I had an air leak on another car. Got home, removed the engine cover and discovered one of the air lines to the PCV had come off completely! I know it was on when I replaced the camfollower so not sure how its come off but as soon as put it back it was smoother than a babies arse! I've secured it with new clip too so hopefully won't happen again.
So. The price at VW to diagnose the issue - £300.00. The price to fix the issue at the specialists - £60.00. The smile on my face - priceless!
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I want to start this update by saying VW dealers are just plain money grabbers. When I took my car to them they wanted £300 in diagnosis costs alone! They believed the camfollower, camshaft and HPFP were all knackered after looking at the two fault codes the system showed.
He checked various bits and bobs and then did some research into the fault codes that resulted in coming across further information relating to a faulty low fuel pressure sensor. He ordered it and then removed the old one for inspection before fitting it. The old one was in a bit of a state to be honest too. Really covered in gunk and dirty when it should have been clean. I also noticed that the fuel that came out of the fuel filter when I replaced it was extremely dirty but the fuel from the inlet lines was clean.
Low pressure sensor found under the back seats?
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Happy days :driver:
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I want to start this update by saying VW dealers are just plain money grabbers. When I took my car to them they wanted £300 in diagnosis costs alone! They believed the camfollower, camshaft and HPFP were all knackered after looking at the two fault codes the system showed.
He checked various bits and bobs and then did some research into the fault codes that resulted in coming across further information relating to a faulty low fuel pressure sensor. He ordered it and then removed the old one for inspection before fitting it. The old one was in a bit of a state to be honest too. Really covered in gunk and dirty when it should have been clean. I also noticed that the fuel that came out of the fuel filter when I replaced it was extremely dirty but the fuel from the inlet lines was clean.
Low pressure sensor found under the back seats?
No its one in the fuel line by the engine -either G410 or G247 I think? Would have to double check.
Low pressure sensor found under the back seats?
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Happy days :driver:
Yep. Brimmed her with some Vpower and screwed the boll*cks of off her.......when she was warm obviously!
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Great news... :happy2:
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Glad to read you've got it sorted Boothy.
Just for reference, who is the VW Specialist that cured it for you? I think this info would be good to know.
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Glad to read you've got it sorted Boothy.
Just for reference, who is the VW Specialist that cured it for you? I think this info would be good to know.
He is called Peter and he likes to swear.....a lot! He is as fair as they come in my eyes and this is twice he has put him self out to help me out. Top geezer!
P ALLANSON VW & AUDI SPECIALISTS
128, LEEDS ROAD
WF1 2QD WAKEFIELD , WEST YORKSHIRE
Phone : +44 (0) 1924 363355
GEO : 53.693830 , -1.504760
If anyone does read this now or in the future and decides to visit him be aware the place is almost hidden up a dirt track so if you get stuck look for the big white house with a dirt track at the side.
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Thanks mate.
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Glad to read you've got it sorted Boothy.
Just for reference, who is the VW Specialist that cured it for you? I think this info would be good to know.
He is called Peter and he likes to swear.....a lot! He is as fair as they come in my eyes and this is twice he has put him self out to help me out. Top geezer!
P ALLANSON VW & AUDI SPECIALISTS
128, LEEDS ROAD
WF1 2QD WAKEFIELD , WEST YORKSHIRE
Phone : +44 (0) 1924 363355
GEO : 53.693830 , -1.504760
If anyone does read this now or in the future and decides to visit him be aware the place is almost hidden up a dirt track so if you get stuck look for the big white house with a dirt track at the side.
Worth sticking in recomendations section I reckon
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glad you got it sorted in the end and you can enjoy driving the car again :happy2:
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I had the same problem in my A4. Was at a specialist from Monday to Thursday before he spoke to another specialist that had come across it before. Ordered the part, fitted it on the Friday and the car was as sweet as a nut after that. We had to replace the fuel filter too because initially he thought that was the problem and when he tried to clean it one of the plastic parts snapped on it. Was full of crud so replacing it seemed the safer option. Glad to hear you got yours sorted.
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I had the same problem in my A4. Was at a specialist from Monday to Thursday before he spoke to another specialist that had come across it before. Ordered the part, fitted it on the Friday and the car was as sweet as a nut after that. We had to replace the fuel filter too because initially he thought that was the problem and when he tried to clean it one of the plastic parts snapped on it. Was full of crud so replacing it seemed the safer option. Glad to hear you got yours sorted.
At what mileage did you swap your fuel filter? Is it the filter normally found under the sill. I rang for a price from my local dealer and they said dont bother its a long life filter?
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mike they say its a no change jobby but i changed mine last nite at 29,080 and the fuel coming out was dirty so glad i did now :happy2:
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mike they say its a no change jobby but i changed mine last nite at 29,080 and the fuel coming out was dirty so glad i did now :happy2:
I think its best to do too. How much was the filter?
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about £12 mike
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about £12 mike
Bloody 'ell ordered cambelt kit off Dave at Sere, wish Id thought to stick one on the order. Cant take long to change?
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10mins at most mate aslong as u can get underneath 2 do it
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I had the same problem in my A4. Was at a specialist from Monday to Thursday before he spoke to another specialist that had come across it before. Ordered the part, fitted it on the Friday and the car was as sweet as a nut after that. We had to replace the fuel filter too because initially he thought that was the problem and when he tried to clean it one of the plastic parts snapped on it. Was full of crud so replacing it seemed the safer option. Glad to hear you got yours sorted.
At what mileage did you swap your fuel filter? Is it the filter normally found under the sill. I rang for a price from my local dealer and they said dont bother its a long life filter?
I was talking rubbish. It was the fuel pump that was changed as well as the fuel pressure sensor. Sorry to be misleading.
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I had the same problem in my A4. Was at a specialist from Monday to Thursday before he spoke to another specialist that had come across it before. Ordered the part, fitted it on the Friday and the car was as sweet as a nut after that. We had to replace the fuel filter too because initially he thought that was the problem and when he tried to clean it one of the plastic parts snapped on it. Was full of crud so replacing it seemed the safer option. Glad to hear you got yours sorted.
At what mileage did you swap your fuel filter? Is it the filter normally found under the sill. I rang for a price from my local dealer and they said dont bother its a long life filter?
I was talking rubbish. It was the fuel pump that was changed as well as the fuel pressure sensor. Sorry to be misleading.
Okidoke, no worries. Dont let it happen again :P
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Has anyone got the part number for this G247 Fuel pressure sensor or known as Low pressure sensor!.. if thats correct??
My issue is mine has just gone to the dealers and it has come up with this fault, or several, one including a fuel rail fault or code!.... is this normal to bring other faults up on the dianostics due to just this one 'Low pressure sensor'...???
any advice much appreciated. :surprised:
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Has anyone got the part number for this G247 Fuel pressure sensor or known as Low pressure sensor!.. if thats correct??
My issue is mine has just gone to the dealers and it has come up with this fault, or several, one including a fuel rail fault or code!.... is this normal to bring other faults up on the dianostics due to just this one 'Low pressure sensor'...???
any advice much appreciated. :surprised:
You could get the following error codes with a faulty low fuel pressure sensor aka thrust sensor
012555 - Low Pressure Fuel regulation: Fuel Pressure Outside Specification
P310B - 008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent - MIL ON
004767 - Low-Pressure Fuel Pressure Regulation: Pressure too High
P129F - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded – Intermittent
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Anyone had there HPFP making a higher pitched noise? its been on for about 8k now and i can hear it louder now i have a twin take? any ideas?
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Has anyone got the part number for this G247 Fuel pressure sensor or known as Low pressure sensor!.. if thats correct??
My issue is mine has just gone to the dealers and it has come up with this fault, or several, one including a fuel rail fault or code!.... is this normal to bring other faults up on the dianostics due to just this one 'Low pressure sensor'...???
any advice much appreciated. :surprised:
Just to add a correction: G247 is the high fuel pressure sensor on the fuel rail. You were directed correctly to the low fuel pressure sensor which is on the HPFP, but it is the G410.