MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: ruffrydaz on May 30, 2011, 06:14:08 pm
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I was on a private road with someone just going 0-60.
First person was a mk5 gti which i was neck and neck with.
Then another person who had an Remapped audi a3 2.0T 8p which is presumably the same engine which was neck and neck up to 60 again
My gt tdi is remapped too.. i was going to buy a gti for the speed but im not so sure now, i have full leathers, good mpg, heated seats, xenons and a full gti kit.
Am i missing something by not switching over
thanks
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:signLOL:
Are you sure they were racing you? :confused:
What is the 8p after audi a3 2.0T ??
Not sure about the unmapped GTi, but the mapped Audi 2.0T would definitely have munched you - if he knew how to drive :grin:
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what happened after 60?!
To be fair, in the real world, I doubt there is really that much difference. Dervs have a lot of torque to give good acceleration. The GTI would have the legs on you though.
I once had a little fun with an S4 - and he won. But up to around 70 I wasn't that far behind, certainly not as much as the BHP difference would make you think. He had maybe a second on me at that point. Then he disappeared ... My point here is that a couple of seconds means something on a track but in the real world it doesn't make that much difference.
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I think after 60 he would have taken over but I was surprised with the Audi. I had more torque at start and we were neck and neck, I think he was a few cm in front at 60. I was letting the revs all the way. Could be the driver like you said but I was surprised.
Youre right, on the road you can't tell much until the cara are on a track
Cheers
Ps 8p is the chassis type
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My old Megane 150 DCI mapped to 190+BHP with 300+ lbs/ft, that was a 7 second car 0-60. That was the M9R 16v engine with vvt and piezo injection developed by Renault and Nissan.
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I'd say on the road you will be able to tell the difference. Ok, perhaps no in out and out speed, but certainly in terms of drivability. A TDI driver is going to have to work very hard to keep up with a hard charging GTI. There is also the difference in the suspension to consider.
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I had difficulty with a 2.0TDI a while back. I needed the higher rev ranges of a petrol engine.
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As others have said in the real world 0-60 not much noticable difference.
Although you did say will you miss out if you keep the TDI over the GTI and my answer would be YES.
My TDI feels heavy and cumbersome compared to a GTI, nowhere near as nimble.
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It's not all about the speed :happy2:
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It's not all about the speed :happy2:
It's about the girth right? :grin:
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Yeah i know what you mean, the tdi just feels abit heavy i cant really explain it.
Im going to test drive a gti to see the difference..
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I had a mk5 GT TD140 mapped and it was poor in terms of feel compared to my mk5GTI, the mk 5 TDI really feels like it has a big cumbersome lump up front, and even mapped it felt not very exciting if I am honest, have just got a mk6 GTD and this is a different kettle of fish, lovely feel and feels quick even in std form, I had a mapped mkV PD150 which had pants handling but a very very quick engine remapped was the equal of a mapped 1.8T
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My derv is remapped and has a full milltek and will keep up with other hot hatch cars focus st's ect, but only £125 tax per year, group 12 insurance and will give me 50+ mpg it's great (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fff379%2Fjogongtd%2Fc3ca9dd3.jpg&hash=f90673b28ef0fdbfa2c95adc09e5b5449f6c4613)
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I know jogon, thats why i think i might just keep it lol
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Just keep it,can't beat 58mpg,mine handles like a train
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Just keep it,can't beat 58mpg,mine handles like a train
Can only go in straight lines, with the occasional turn? :evilgrin:
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LOL
I would be amazed if you kept up with a mapped 2.0T
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When its stood still Rich :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Yes me too, don't understand how it could have kept up with a mapped 2.0T?
Anyway a second is a lifetime in a 0-60 race.
Where are all the GTi petrol heads in this string :signLOL:
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Hahaha hmm i have to admit he was edging forward at 50 ish and would have probably taken me,
I got a much better start, maybe it was the driver...
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Yes me too, don't understand how it could have kept up with a mapped 2.0T?
Anyway a second is a lifetime in a 0-60 race.
Where are all the GTi petrol heads in this string :signLOL:
It's one of those posts that aren't worth the effort. A mapped 2.0tfsi 60 around 6 secs, mapped diesel 8-9 seconds, that really is a country mile in the traffic light grand prix :laugh:
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My mapped diesel must be slow then cos I thinks its useless in the first 2 gears, but once into 3rd it did pull like a train...but i'm hoping with this new turbo it should be full of beans with a large dose of bring it on :grin:
Darren
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Yes Darren, bring it on, lol, being a new mappy myself........very interesting to say the VERY least...... :driver:
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Ruffrydaz, are you DSG?
If so we are adding DSG v manual to a petrol v diesel discussion too.
My old DSG mapped 140 GTTDi diesel was 6.93 seconds 0-60 at Inters :happy2:
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What is the 8p after audi a3 2.0T ??
A3 8L = 1996 - 2003
A3 8P = 2003 - 2011
Golf 1J = Golf IV
Golf 1K = Golf V
This is not a question of which car is faster but one of
which driver is accelerating better and shifting harder.
Imho: just bullsh*t. :wink:
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i had a mapped 2.0 tdi audi a3 and it is no where near as quick as my gti....1st gear was pointless, 2nd gear and 3rd gear it pulled like a train but after that it was kind of flat
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My standard ed30 (I know it's not the same as the one in question) easily pulled away from my friends A3 170 (standard)
Gti should easily walk away in all gears
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tbh...... who cares its still a diesel and still sounds like a diesel :P
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Hahaha hmm i have to admit he was edging forward at 50 ish and would have probably taken me,
I got a much better start, maybe it was the driver...
So you got a better start and by 50mph he was already pulling on you? Sounds to me as though you would of got your pants pulled down if you carried on past 60mph..
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tbh...... who cares its still a diesel and still sounds like a diesel :P
just the best sound ever
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at the local track from a low speed rolling start (about 30) my 2.0 TDI 140 was neck and neck with my mates standard Mk5 GTI DSG until triple figures, he started to pull after that, but we had to slow down as we had a corner coming up, lol
my 2.0 TDI was custom tuned by Torquetronix and put out 192HP and 322lbft (confirmed on a rolling road day)
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This is one of those debates about what's best. It all depends what floats your boat. And what you need.
Until quite recently we had a Ed30 and a Gt Sport TDi 170 in the house. Both 07 manual, standard cars.
The Ed30 was a lot quicker through the gears and handled sweeter, less engine mass I suppose.
The GT Sport was pretty quick when wound right up and very frugal on juice.
In my book the GT diesel was a mode of transport, the GTi was a proper drivers car.
However you do pay the price for that in the mpg stakes. 30 odd versus 50 odd mpg is a big difference.
As we needed more space the diesel Golf has now grown into an A4 Avant, with the later 170 common rail TDi lump.
That feels a fair bit slower than the Gt Sport used to, but then it is the size of a small naval warship.
Can be hustled along though once it's wound up..great chassis.
But still glad I own an Ed30 Mk5..
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my 1.9 has been remapped to 140bhp my mate has a astra coupe turbo spose to have 280bhp we had a standing start on a private road with ESP on i kept with him to 50 with it off i kept with him to 55
now i know for a fact he was trying after 60 he left me for dead
i see this as for nipping around a remapped derv is more than enough
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TDI 140 just as fast as a GTI :signLOL:
Rubbish, I have both and there is no way in a million years its as fast, ANYWHERE!
And then you say its mapped so whats the point of coming on here and making statements like that.
While your changing gear in the Tdi because you have ran out of puff at 2000rpm the GTI is still going in the same gear.
Why am I even commenting on this? :stupid:
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TDI 140 just as fast as a GTI :signLOL:
Why am I even commenting on this? :stupid:
:signLOL:
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tbh...... who cares its still a diesel and still sounds like a diesel :P
Get a 3.0L BMW diesel .... it sounds a bit better .... and goes fairly well too :evilgrin:
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Where are all the GTi petrol heads in this string :signLOL:
....Sitting back and reading this thread with slight amusement. We don't feel the need to prove anything :grin:
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at the local track from a low speed rolling start (about 30) my 2.0 TDI 140 was neck and neck with my mates standard Mk5 GTI DSG until triple figures, he started to pull after that, but we had to slow down as we had a corner coming up, lol
my 2.0 TDI was custom tuned by Torquetronix and put out 192HP and 322lbft (confirmed on a rolling road day)
192bhp car neck and neck with 200bhp car, who'd have thought it? :innocent:
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I now have a 2.0 TSI. I have and always will prefer the drive of a petrol car, just thought I would post my findings, if thats ok with you.
I guess the point is that you can have GTI performance in a Golf, for less money to both buy and run.
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The diesel golf is in no respect faster than the GTi, it feels fast because of the shove you get with the low down torque, I have had people round to mine with Gti's and have been in mine and thought it was fast :stupid: but its only cos of the torque...
Has I said 1st and 2nd are pants once into 3rd it pulls better than a GTi but a GTi will be so far in front it wouldn't matter any way :wink:
And it the age old debate standard against modded, IMO just no comparison what the point?
By the way quite a few private tracks around isn't there :grin:
Darren
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I drive a 300+bhp ko4'd car and have had TDI's in the past which i spent money on modifying so i have experience in both engines on how they perform. A mapped 140 will give a standard GTI a hard time. GTI's in standard form are not that fast. Yeah sure TDI's run out of steam at 4500 but they are geared differently to compensate. A TDI at 4500rpm say in 5th will be going at a faster speed than a GTI at 4500 rpm in 5th. To match the speed of a mapped 2.0 T the TDI would need a hybrid turbo. My old PD130 with a hybrid turbo had about the same performance as my vRS when it just had a stage 1 map on it, quite close..