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Title: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 07, 2011, 11:17:54 pm
Ok... so I have maxed out my portable 500GB Firewire 800 drive with photos (and other stuff, nae pr0n  :signLOL:)

So, my requirements are.

Firewire 800
Desktop config. (figuring that i can use my 500GB FW800 drive as a portable drive)
1-2TB
Mac compatible
Cheap (ish)

Talk to me...  :smiley:

Rich
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: alexperkins on June 07, 2011, 11:31:16 pm
Ive got a WD MyStudio Mac 1TB drive which is Firewire 800. Works as my time machine and has been going strong for over two years now

They still make them too  :happy2:
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: neg on June 07, 2011, 11:48:01 pm
NAS?  I have a couple of the Netgear ReadyNAS Duo's - really good
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: alexperkins on June 07, 2011, 11:49:07 pm
Ive got one of the Netgear NAS systems. Got 2x2TB drives in it and works a treat!
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: neg on June 08, 2011, 12:00:56 am
Thats the one, got a 1TB and a 2TB, the 2TB free second disk arrived this week ;)
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 08, 2011, 12:06:00 am
Cant use NAS... too slow.
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: Ifti on June 08, 2011, 07:18:28 am
Used to use this with my MacBook. In fact I had 3 of them (all 4TB each!)



Now I have a NAS, and just one of the above drives which I use for backups of the most important data on my NAS.
I also have 2 of the My Passport Studio 640GB drives.

All of the WD 'Studio' range of drives are aimed at Mac's, and all have Firewire800 - not the cheapest drives, but highly recommend them.
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 08, 2011, 10:55:20 pm
Used to use this with my MacBook. In fact I had 3 of them (all 4TB each!)



Now I have a NAS, and just one of the above drives which I use for backups of the most important data on my NAS.
I also have 2 of the My Passport Studio 640GB drives.

All of the WD 'Studio' range of drives are aimed at Mac's, and all have Firewire800 - not the cheapest drives, but highly recommend them.

So is that expandable?
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: andrewparker on June 09, 2011, 07:39:46 am
Drobo?
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 09, 2011, 09:07:05 am
Drobo?

Far too expensive. (for me!)
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: Ifti on June 09, 2011, 10:52:55 am
Used to use this with my MacBook. In fact I had 3 of them (all 4TB each!)



Now I have a NAS, and just one of the above drives which I use for backups of the most important data on my NAS.
I also have 2 of the My Passport Studio 640GB drives.

All of the WD 'Studio' range of drives are aimed at Mac's, and all have Firewire800 - not the cheapest drives, but highly recommend them.

So is that expandable?

You can actually get the 6TB version now - so 2x3TB drives.
I have read that you can upgrade the discs in the future if need be (both together though) with larger WD Green drives, as they become available.
The drive has 2 firewire ports on the back, and although Ive never tried it, Im pretty sure you can daisy chain other drives to it - so kinda expandable.....
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: RedRobin on June 09, 2011, 11:08:05 am
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Is it worth hanging on for the Thunderbolt connectivity peripherals such as external HD's to be available?

http://www.apple.com/uk/thunderbolt/

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mac+thunderbolt&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 09, 2011, 11:09:08 am
My macs are not thunderbolt compatible. But if they were i would be looking at TB drives
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: Degudodger on June 09, 2011, 12:44:27 pm
Rich,

I recently bought a HP N36L Microserver for £230 and think it is bl00dy excellent. HP have extended their £100 cashback promotion until the end of June meaning the effective cost for the enclosure and FOC 250GB 7200rpm Harddrive is £130. I have two 1TB hard drives in there on a Raid 1 setup with Free-Nas running on the free 250GB HDD. I will be filling the two remaining vacant slots with 2x 2TB HDD's in a couple of months.

I still use a 2TB HDD as a secondary backup for my photos but the server will act as primary storage for iMac and other laptops we have in the house. 

Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: Ifti on June 09, 2011, 12:55:32 pm
You can never have enough storage!!  :signLOL:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi159.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft149%2Fiftibashir%2F9a502758.jpg&hash=43a0bef3dea50f1b9163f90b1ce1164d6cec48fe)

My NAS has 5x2TB HDDs - gives me around 7.25TB useable space.
The My Book Studio you can see on the right is connected to the NAS via eSATA. Its the 4TB version. At the moment its plenty enough to backup everything, but if space becomes an issue I'll use it to just backup my most important data. eSATA is super fast!!
I then have 2x640GB WD Studio Passport drives (can just see them to the right bottom). I use one for iMovie video editing, and the other is another backup of my kids photos etc which i usually keep offsite.
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: RedRobin on June 09, 2011, 12:58:25 pm
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As we're talking about HD storage, the new iMac I'm currently speccing comes with 1TB and I can order it with 2TB for an extra £105 but I don't shoot RAW pics and my Logic music files are usually not much more than 80MB, so do I really need that extra 1TB built in?
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: Ifti on June 09, 2011, 02:10:51 pm
It always future-proofs you......depnds how long you intend to keep the machine......
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 29, 2011, 07:59:44 pm
^^ LOL.. thats epic!

Im thinking of this...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Iomega-MiniMax-Desktop-Hard-Drive/dp/B003O32PCG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309373858&sr=8-1
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 29, 2011, 09:49:37 pm
Or this?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-MyBook-Firewire-External/dp/B0016M2824/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309380370&sr=8-1
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 29, 2011, 09:50:49 pm
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As we're talking about HD storage, the new iMac I'm currently speccing comes with 1TB and I can order it with 2TB for an extra £105 but I don't shoot RAW pics and my Logic music files are usually not much more than 80MB, so do I really need that extra 1TB built in?

Extra storage is always handy Robin. I though that my 500GB HD would last longer than it has done but with RAW files coming in at 21MB, I suppose it was only a matter of time.

Rich
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: RedRobin on June 29, 2011, 11:00:55 pm
^
I've ordered my iMac with 1TB plus 256 GB SSD for home. I also have various external HDs. Most of my recordings are done in the studio where there are more Macs and storage.
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: bacillus on June 29, 2011, 11:50:49 pm
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I've ordered my iMac with 1TB plus 256 GB SSD for home. I also have various external HDs. Most of my recordings are done in the studio where there are more Macs and storage.

Just don't let your mac operating system defrag that ssd if you want it to hold up it's speed.  :smiley:
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: RedRobin on June 30, 2011, 12:01:47 am

Just don't let your mac operating system defrag that ssd if you want it to hold up it's speed.  :smiley:


....Sounds like a good tip  :happy2: I was planning to install the OS on the SSD - Does it defrag automatically or only on command via Disk Utilities? I'm still on 10.4.11 Leopard on this iMac.
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: bacillus on June 30, 2011, 12:32:24 am
....Sounds like a good tip  :happy2: I was planning to install the OS on the SSD - Does it defrag automatically or only on command via Disk Utilities? I'm still on 10.4.11 Leopard on this iMac.

I'm a PC man but the general rules when using an ssd is to avoid writing tons of data to it as unlike a spinning platter hdd, the ssd can "wear out" as the nand it uses can only be written to and erased so many times.

Do you know what make and model ssd your system will come with?

Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 30, 2011, 07:32:42 am
As far as I know there if no need to defrag the macos file system.
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: RedRobin on June 30, 2011, 08:32:04 am

I'm a PC man but the general rules when using an ssd is to avoid writing tons of data to it as unlike a spinning platter hdd, the ssd can "wear out" as the nand it uses can only be written to and erased so many times.

Do you know what make and model ssd your system will come with?


....The way I'm intending to use the built-in HD's is to install the Mac OS on the SSD and possibly the Logic and Adobe Creative Suite applications on it but all the files/documents will be kept on the 1TB drive and only the 1TB drive backed up to external drives.

Apple don't/won't release the make/model of the SSD they offer in the iMac <  :surprised:  :confused: I have asked them. Surely it would only take someone to access the internals and spot some distinguishing info and it would become public via the net, so why the secrecy?

Either way I'm very excited about how this latest generation iMac will perform. 27"!! < :drool:  :jumping: I've used the previous 21" version and that's pretty stunning  :notworthy:
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: bacillus on June 30, 2011, 08:36:28 am
Unless Apple has now included the TRIM command in their latest OS then the ssd has to depend on Garbage Collection to keep the ssd's performance up. A flakey GC in the ssd's firmware will soon lead to lowered performance (depending on how much data is written to it)  that may only be recoverable by erasing the ssd and reinstalling.
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: Lavonkey on June 30, 2011, 09:16:27 am
Try www.novatech.co.uk , or www.overclockers.co.uk - two great websites for cheap computer bits ;)
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 30, 2011, 05:23:17 pm
Just pulled the plug on one of these...

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-western-digital-my-book-studio-ii-2tb-fw-400-800-esata-usb2-/p1033166

2TB should keep me going a while.
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: Poppa Dom on June 30, 2011, 06:23:54 pm
Quite a few of the SSD options available from Apple are Toshiba drives currently, there is a good review of them here - http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1230/1/
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: bacillus on June 30, 2011, 07:29:07 pm
I hope RR doesn't get that toshiba 256GB ssd with his system as the 4K and 4K-16 speeds leave alot to be desired when compared to the latest ssds.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legitreviews.com%2Fimages%2Freviews%2F1230%2Ftoshiba_asssd.jpg&hash=070834e759494b72135610235eaf94a81933b950)
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 30, 2011, 07:30:27 pm
Maybe start a new SSD thread...  :happy2:
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: RedRobin on June 30, 2011, 11:00:53 pm
Just pulled the plug on one of these...

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-western-digital-my-book-studio-ii-2tb-fw-400-800-esata-usb2-/p1033166

2TB should keep me going a while.

....Coincidentally I was reading a Mac mag in WHSmith's 'public' library today which reviewed the 8TB version favourably.
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: RedRobin on June 30, 2011, 11:03:49 pm

I hope RR doesn't get that toshiba 256GB ssd with his system as the 4K and 4K-16 speeds leave alot to be desired when compared to the latest ssds.


....I've no idea whether it'll be a Toshiba SSD or not but quite frankly the whole iMac will be plenty fast enough! It's not a race.
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on June 30, 2011, 11:07:10 pm
Just pulled the plug on one of these...

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-western-digital-my-book-studio-ii-2tb-fw-400-800-esata-usb2-/p1033166

2TB should keep me going a while.

....Coincidentally I was reading a Mac mag in WHSmith's 'public' library today which reviewed the 8TB version favourably.

Excellent... touch wood it will come tomorrow  :happy2:
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: RedRobin on July 02, 2011, 07:25:23 am

....Sounds like a good tip  :happy2: I was planning to install the OS on the SSD - Does it defrag automatically or only on command via Disk Utilities? I'm still on 10.4.11 Leopard on this iMac.


I'm a PC man but the general rules when using an ssd is to avoid writing tons of data to it as unlike a spinning platter hdd, the ssd can "wear out" as the nand it uses can only be written to and erased so many times.


....I'm told that a SSD can be expected to last about 10 years in normal use and that the Mac OS will not defrag it. Any defragging of the main drive is done by the OS in the background as housekeeping.

I've just been given 11th July as my delivery date and it has been shipped  :pomppomp: :jumpmove: :pomppomp: :jumpmove: :pomppomp: :jumpmove: :star:
Title: Re: External Storage advice
Post by: rich83 on July 02, 2011, 09:57:53 am
Here she is...

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.static.flickr.com%2F5078%2F5892952031_a90155bbcf_b.jpg&hash=886b3f85b7eb582b0bac48124660ff0dbf7aa989) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/richwigley/5892952031/)
2TB (http://www.flickr.com/photos/richwigley/5892952031/) by Rich Wigley (http://www.flickr.com/people/richwigley/), on Flickr

 :smiley: