MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: MJR on June 10, 2011, 07:38:18 pm
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Was following the guide to change the cam follower:
to my "05" reg GTI
Nuts came off fine, changed cam follower even though mine was still in perfect condition, started putting it back together, all seemed well.
Opened and closed driver door a few times, everything seemed ok,
then when I put the ignition on fuel starting pissing everywhere,
seems to be coming from the left pipe nut like its not tight enough but can't get it any tighter, so disassembled it again a few times and then reassemble and still getting the same problem.
30min job my arse, I've been at it since 3pm.
so fuk knows what I'm gonna do now
Should have left it the was it fukin was
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I believe that you dropped the internal washer. It doesn't have a part number in ekta.
Let me check for a suitable vw part alternative I have somewhere.
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You can use washer part number N 013 806 3 (M10 X 14) as a replacement from your VW dealer.
If that's not in stock try asking for N013 811 4 (M10X13.5) that's 0.5mm thinner but will still work.
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Common mistake, I have dropped this washer before. Can use a general purpose copper washer if needed. Or look for the one you dropped, they usually get caught by a little square dip on top of the g.box casing.
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great info guys :happy2:
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when you say washer?
whereabouts should the washer be? so i can see if I'm missing it tomorrow, pics would be ideal lol
I have narrowed it down to the fuel pissing out of this area:
Stole pic from bodgers thread (mine doesnt have the pressure valve)
Fuel leaking from where my 2 pathetic yellow arrows are:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F253767_10150209948547839_545187838_7097598_7517848_n.jpg&hash=8eea470649e0178661db4907f287e0033c26ba5c)
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So you have the hard metal pipe with the banjo bolt as shown? If so you need to get a new bolt and replace the brass union that it threads into.
8/10 times they dont re-seal as the bolt actually cuts into the thread on installation so rarely reseals again, this is why we always keep a bolt and union in stock. Can be bought as seperate items from VW. They may say that you cant buy seperately and need the entire pump, this isnt the case.
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So you have the hard metal pipe with the banjo bolt as shown? If so you need to get a new bolt and replace the brass union that it threads into.
8/10 times they dont re-seal as the bolt actually cuts into the thread on installation so rarely reseals again, this is why we always keep a bolt and union in stock. Can be bought as seperate items from VW. They may say that you cant buy seperately and need the entire pump, this isnt the case.
Do you have part numbers for those items please? Whats the price for them too?
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I had this issue too, found out the bolt had been over tightened in the end n just replaced my fuel pump + bolts. The bolt that takes the spline driver is like £20!
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LoL dont wanna replace the fuel pump as I just got this one from TC with autotech internals.
So I'll order the bolts etc from VW tomorrow, so need part numbers.
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Just point the right parts out to them on the screen in the parts dept. Think its £32ish for the pair.
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THINGS HAVE JUST GOTTEN WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok I went back out to see if I maybe hadn't tightened it up, well in the process of trying to tighten it, then the brass union has decided to split leaving me with the end part of it in the spanner and the rest of it inside the pump :sad1:
I guess its fair to say its well and truly fooked now, what the hell do I do next?
Am I now gonna need a new pump etc?
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If you have the tools you may get it out.
If it were me I would stick it in a vice and use a pin punch with a small hammer to tap it undone. Once it's loosened you may be able to fit something in the bore to turn it.
Then you'll need a union which may be the more difficult part.
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:drinking:found this:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18742.0.html
has the diagrams and part numbers you need mate.
Where in the uk are you?
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If you have the tools you may get it out.
If it were me I would stick it in a vice and use a pin punch with a small hammer to tap it undone. Once it's loosened you may be able to fit something in the bore to turn it.
Then you'll need a union which may be the more difficult part.
Have no access to anything like or got the tools mentioned :sad1:
Think I might need to get it towed to VW and get new pump etc fitted :sad1:
Can't think of what else I can do & I really need it sorted by end of next week :sad1:
:drinking:found this:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18742.0.html
has the diagrams and part numbers you need mate.
Where in the uk are you?
Ayrshire, Scotland
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I suspect you may need to use a tap and dies threading tool to get the broken bit out. You will of course have to remove the pump and put it in a vice like VRStu suggested.
I am looking at the banjo bolt and brass connector atm but only seem to have the part number for the banjo bolt, WHT 000 235 C.
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You might be able to get a flat head screwdriver with a profiled tip in the brass bit thats still in there and turn it out slowly and carefully. That usually works as it wont be tight in there as such
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A Tap or Die isn't going to get the broken bit out.
A Die will do nothing as it's for male threads, a Tap will clean up a damaged female thread if you do damage it in the process of getting out the broken part.
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You might be able to get a flat head screwdriver with a profiled tip in the brass bit thats still in there and turn it out slowly and carefully. That usually works as it wont be tight in there as such
I'll give that a try tomorrow.
Proper stressed out now :sad1: fookin hate this!
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Good nights sleep and a fresh look in the morning will work wonders :happy2:
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Good nights sleep and a fresh look in the morning will work wonders :happy2:
Gnna struggle to sleep tbh haven't been this stressed in a very long time :sad1:
Question is, if I can't get the broken part out, does that mean I'm gonna have to go down the new fuel pump etc done at the dealers route?
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You should be able to get a replacement for the broken part
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2FScreenshot2010-09-02at205857.png&hash=70b303714f235500998f307cc84504dd8c9beac0)
Is it 1B?
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MR Johnson what are you doing to bits off my car. :chicken: That pump was one of the best ever made. :sad1:
On a serious note go to bed take the advice given above, its not the end of the world. You can just reread this thread in the morning when your head is clear and take your time tapping it out, buy the new parts and bobs your uncle. Stressing out over it aint going to do didly so dont. :happy2:
It will all work out in the end. :drinking:
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No it's not 1B as that's the bamboo brass connector that comes with the newer pump. He has an older pump with the banjo bolt.
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Yeah its the 1B threaded union that sheered off inside the pump, but mine is the 2 pipes version:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2FScreenshot2010-09-02at211147.png&hash=b0fc956e30d1d6bff684f01710ed5d761d2cc8dd)
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Ah ok. Ye, once its out, easily replaced. Just take time and care removing it and all will be well.
Its unlikely thatd be on the shelf though so itll probably be tuesday before it comes into stock
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Lets hope I can get it out & simply buy new bits.
Anyways, gonna have 1 more beer & smoke then bed.
Too much stress for one day.
Cheers for ALL comments, its much appreciated & I'll let you know how I get on tomorrow.
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Harsh, very harsh mate. Hope you get it all sorted.
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Ok this is no problem.
More panic will make it worse, just remember its nearly £200 including VAT your playing with and it will help :signLOL:
You need to go and buy a set of eazi outs and a tap wrench.
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=0446853
A tap and die set wont do it you will make it worse and the thread is probably a standard pipe thread or even a special fine thread.
Don't panic, we can help I have a spare pump in bits if you need anything.
If the worst comes to the worst I will try it for you, but you will have to send it to me.
I would suggest getting the rubber pipe version instead of the hard pipe, you can check the cam follower very easily without removing the pipe then.
The guy who sold me my spare pump had another one to so loads of options.
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I have all the banjo bits too. I got a fuel pump off here for £90 and swapped it, I rememeber being very stressed about it all!
You can't just swap from the version of pump he has to the rubber pipe version, it requires replacement of the fuel lines too AFAIK.
If time is very important I'd sort out a new pump off here asap and if you don't need it you can always resell it.
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Yep if you wanted to go rubber pipe you'd need to swap fuel lines.
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Took the pump to a garage/machine place this morning and sadly the sheered off bolt has wrecked the threads inside the pump :sad1:
So have just ordered a new pump & bolts etc for the time being which should hopefully arrive on Tuesday, then hopefully have the car back running again.
Then sort it out properly at a later date when I get the chance, simply just need my car running normally again for wednesday until August time.
A big thanks to everyone that has commented/helped.
I will update you again once I hopefully get it sorted, cheers.
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I guess the the reason it sheared and has damaged the threads is because you cross threaded it.
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Took the pump to a garage/machine place this morning and sadly the sheered off bolt has wrecked the threads inside the pump :sad1:
So have just ordered a new pump & bolts etc for the time being which should hopefully arrive on Tuesday, then hopefully have the car back running again.
Then sort it out properly at a later date when I get the chance, simply just need my car running normally again for wednesday until August time.
A big thanks to everyone that has commented/helped.
I will update you again once I hopefully get it sorted, cheers.
Did you upgrade(?) to the rubber type with new lines?
If you want me to try and tap out the old pump and rebuild it let me know?
Glad it is sorted.
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Took the pump to a garage/machine place this morning and sadly the sheered off bolt has wrecked the threads inside the pump :sad1:
So have just ordered a new pump & bolts etc for the time being which should hopefully arrive on Tuesday, then hopefully have the car back running again.
Then sort it out properly at a later date when I get the chance, simply just need my car running normally again for wednesday until August time.
A big thanks to everyone that has commented/helped.
I will update you again once I hopefully get it sorted, cheers.
Did you upgrade(?) to the rubber type with new lines?
If you want me to try and tap out the old pump and rebuild it let me know?
Glad it is sorted.
you cant just change to the other fuel pump without upgrading the fuel lines. £500 job
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Thats what I meant but didn't know it would be that much as its only one line isn't it?
I am probably wrong aren't I.
All off the top of my head!
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When I checked a couple of years ago I was quoted around £120 exclusive of vat to switch from banjo bolt to the bamboo fitting. That included all the fittings...
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When I checked a couple of years ago I was quoted around £120 exclusive of vat to switch from banjo bolt to the bamboo fitting. That included all the fittings...
I thought so, I think you could probably get a second hand intake off of the bay for cheap and just rob the lines.
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No I have just ordered a new fuel pump and banjo bolt, which should arrive Tuesday & fingers crossed I fit it ok & should have no more issues.
I may look into changing to the bamboo fitting at a later stage when I have time etc
How easy is it to replace the line to the bamboo version or best to book it in with VW to do it?
Was browsing on E-Bay and seen this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MK5-VW-GOLF-2-0-GTI-HIGH-PRESSURE-FUEL-PUMP-SENSOR-/320685054108?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4aaa51989c (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MK5-VW-GOLF-2-0-GTI-HIGH-PRESSURE-FUEL-PUMP-SENSOR-/320685054108?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4aaa51989c)
That doesn't look like its for the Mk5 Golf or am I seeing it wrong?
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When I checked a couple of years ago I was quoted around £120 exclusive of vat to switch from banjo bolt to the bamboo fitting. That included all the fittings...
Was this quote from VW?
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When I checked a couple of years ago I was quoted around £120 exclusive of vat to switch from banjo bolt to the bamboo fitting. That included all the fittings...
Was this quote from VW?
No, from Awesome...
I doubt that a vw dealer would willingly take on this work as it moves the car away fron it's original spec.
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When I checked a couple of years ago I was quoted around £120 exclusive of vat to switch from banjo bolt to the bamboo fitting. That included all the fittings...
Was this quote from VW?
No, from Awesome...
I doubt that a vw dealer would willingly take on this work as it moves the car away fron it's original spec.
Ahrite, thanks.
My next step is fitting my new pump successfully when it hopefully arrives on tuesday, ready for going away on Wednesday.
Will look into maybe getting it changed to bamboo fitting at a later stage :) as its official:
I HATE THE BANJO BOLT FITTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bamboo is better as like I said you can check the cam follower very easily.
I would believe that VW changed it for your reason and the cam follower check?
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Bamboo is better as like I said you can check the cam follower very easily.
I would believe that VW changed it for your reason and the cam follower check?
VW doing it?
I'll be fitting my new pump etc myself on Tuesday hopefully if they arrive & fingers crossed I don't fook it up this time.
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Got my new pump & bolts etc today.
Fitted them ok and car now seems to be running fine again, hopefully thats the last of this issue :smiley:
Will be putting my AutoTech Internals HPFP + New Bolts up for sale soon when I get a chance, all the person needs to do is get the sheered off bolt out and they will have a bargain.
Thanks to everyone that helped with guidance, part numbers & calming me down lol
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Well done mate... :happy2:
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Glad to hear you fixed it. :happy2:
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Im struggling to get hold of the washer described in from VW. Anyone know where I could get a suitable replacement from the uk??
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Can you not get a pack of generic copper washers from Halfords and find one in there that fits? It'll cost you more, but you'll have a load of spares :smiley:
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Can you not get a pack of generic copper washers from Halfords and find one in there that fits? It'll cost you more, but you'll have a load of spares :smiley:
Tried, nothing fit I'm afraid. I've ordered the VW washers from earlier in this post but have to wait till Saturday morning for them.