MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: White_Lady_170 on June 23, 2011, 07:27:35 pm
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Hey,
I purchased a Porsche Kit off DaveB a while ago and when fitting realised my OEM Pads were a completely different fitment and wouldn't work. The calipers were on at this stage and rather revert back to the standard setup, we sent my dad off at short notice to find pads to suit. Ferodo ones were purchased from a Motor Factors and installed. Ever since, I've been pretty appalled by the amount of brake dust they give off...
The calipers are the fronts from a Porsche Boxster
I am looking for alternatives which will provide a little more bite if possible but MUST be less dusty!
Can anyone with the same brake set up advise?
Anyone else that is currently using aftermarket pads please provide details and I will see can they be got for my specific caliper.
Thank you all for any info!
David
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Just ordered this kit off Dave so will be watching this to see what people are using.
Sorry it doesnt help but Im sure people will be along soon with 500 pad choices lol
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Alright Mike! :happy2:
haven't spoke in a while, aren't you the man who sold me my front splitter? (over a year ago and I've only fitted it a month or 2 now...) :ashamed:
I wasn't aware Dave was still doing this as at the time, I was the last person he was doing it for (think his wife laid down the law) lol
Hopefully someone can advise
:popcornsoda:
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Alright Mike! :happy2:
haven't spoke in a while, aren't you the man who sold me my front splitter? (over a year ago and I've only fitted it a month or 2 now...) :ashamed:
I wasn't aware Dave was still doing this as at the time, I was the last person he was doing it for (think his wife laid down the law) lol
Hopefully someone can advise
:popcornsoda:
Howdo mate
Was it a CupraR splitter? Cant remember mate :ashamed: Think with new family commitments Dave is having to actually start winding down his brake madness lol
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White_Lady_170 if you have rears from Porsche Boxster, than you don't have DaveB's kit. DaveB's kit (I have one) has front Porsche Boxster calipers.
For pad choice I have OEM Brembo Porsche Brakes that are quite ok for road use and Pagid Orange for track use. If you are not tracking your car OEM Porsche pads will work just fine.
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Alright Mike! :happy2:
haven't spoke in a while, aren't you the man who sold me my front splitter? (over a year ago and I've only fitted it a month or 2 now...) :ashamed:
I wasn't aware Dave was still doing this as at the time, I was the last person he was doing it for (think his wife laid down the law) lol
Hopefully someone can advise
:popcornsoda:
Howdo mate
Was it a CupraR splitter? Cant remember mate :ashamed: Think with new family commitments Dave is having to actually start winding down his brake madness lol
Actually maybe it wasn't you, think you were for selling and then kept it... the one in your sig picture, specifically designed for our bumpers. :smiley:
Anyway, since DaveB is still in the business do you think you could maybe pick his brain when you are next in touch with him?
Off topic slightly for a min, what colour calipers you going for? Did you see mine finished? I haven't updated my build thread in forever so probably not :signLOL:
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White_Lady_170 if you have rears from Porsche Boxster, than you don't have DaveB's kit. DaveB's kit (I have one) has front Porsche Boxster calipers.
For pad choice I have OEM Brembo Porsche Brakes that are quite ok for road use and Pagid Orange for track use. If you are not tracking your car OEM Porsche pads will work just fine.
I may have to research back and find out but i'm near sure they are the rear's. This is the "not so big" setup, are you sure your's isn't different? Definitely a DaveB kit as i delt with him directly but it was some time ago and i may have got front/rear mixed up...
Will try and double check.
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Havent seen them finished mate :party:
Gone for red. Did you sell your OEM setup?
Will let you know what disc / pad combo Dave advises
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^^^ Pretty sure the NQSBBK is Boxter fronts :happy2:
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If you want something that's not too dusty, then I'd say the OEM Porsche pads are a fair bet. :happy2:
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I'm going to put my hands up and say yes, they are indeed the front's... :ashamed: don't know what put rear's into my head. I'll edit my post accordingly. Thanks for pointing it out!
When you say OEM Porsche pads, would they be made by brembo then? or where would I look for them outside of a Porsche dealership?
I was hoping for aftermarket pads to be honest, although my knowledge of brake pads in non-existent... is extra performance AND less dust even achievable or am I asking too much?
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No problem for rears/fronts. I may have misunderstood... If you bought them from Dave than they are fronts :smiley:
Yes, OEM Porsche are Brembo (al least mine).
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Why necessarily aftermarket, Boxster owners don't tend to complain their brakes don't work - I've seen them lap all day on track with no issues.
Any specialist should get Pork pads, but I'd suggest unless you go high end ceramic £250 a set Pagid RS stuff, your hopes of performance and no dust are peeing in the wind.
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Why necessarily aftermarket, Boxster owners don't tend to complain their brakes don't work - I've seen them lap all day on track with no issues.
Any specialist should get Pork pads, but I'd suggest unless you go high end ceramic £250 a set Pagid RS stuff, your hopes of performance and no dust are peeing in the wind.
A fair point, and put like that, there's not much I can say really... I guess I just had it in my head if I'm paying the money for new pads, when the ones fitted don't need changing... I'd just go for the best I could get (within reason) and automatically assumed the aftermarket route :smiley:
I'll definitely bare the OEM pads in mind but still wanting to here what the fast road setup men are using and their observations regarding the levels of dust their pad of choice produces.
thanks everyone for the input so far! :happy2:
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Havent seen them finished mate :party:
Gone for red. Did you sell your OEM setup?
Will let you know what disc / pad combo Dave advises
Have you facebook, Mike? be easier than uploading pics... I don't have any sitting in photobucket.
OEM setup is in the garage, as is all my OEM stuff, in two minds whether to sell on now or replace everything come selling up time...
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No problem for rears/fronts. I may have misunderstood... If you bought them from Dave than they are fronts :smiley:
Yes, OEM Porsche are Brembo (al least mine).
Rex, just looking through a thread and see you have fitted a set of discs with the "J hook" and was wondering where you got them or did you have them made? Any info on them at all would be great, thanks!
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Havent seen them finished mate :party:
Gone for red. Did you sell your OEM setup?
Will let you know what disc / pad combo Dave advises
Have you facebook, Mike? be easier than uploading pics... I don't have any sitting in photobucket.
OEM setup is in the garage, as is all my OEM stuff, in two minds whether to sell on now or replace everything come selling up time...
If you have the space and arent in need of the cash Id probably keep hold of them. I never used to have any space :( So move oem parts on as they were replaced.
Do wish I had them just incase though.
If you get a quote from dealer let me know how much for the pads I get 19% off porsche dealer prices and am in Uk in a fortnight to save postage if you needed some :happy2:
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Why necessarily aftermarket, Boxster owners don't tend to complain their brakes don't work - I've seen them lap all day on track with no issues.
Any specialist should get Pork pads, but I'd suggest unless you go high end ceramic £250 a set Pagid RS stuff, your hopes of performance and no dust are peeing in the wind.
A fair point, and put like that, there's not much I can say really... I guess I just had it in my head if I'm paying the money for new pads, when the ones fitted don't need changing... I'd just go for the best I could get (within reason) and automatically assumed the aftermarket route :smiley:
I'll definitely bare the OEM pads in mind but still wanting to here what the fast road setup men are using and their observations regarding the levels of dust their pad of choice produces.
thanks everyone for the input so far! :happy2:
No worries.
I've used the following, see what you can find from each in Boxster shape and have a read about their compound types to see what suits?
Carbotech,
Carbon Lorraine,
EBC (DO NOT BUY THIS CRAP),
Brembo,
Performance Friction,
Pagid,
Ferrodo,
Mintex.
The Pagids were best in terms of dust levels and being road friendly, but don't forget anything uprated means it's useless until it's hot. Stamping on cold brakes and having nothing happen when you really need them is frightening!
What are you doing with the car? Road only or track work??
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Havent seen them finished mate :party:
Gone for red. Did you sell your OEM setup?
Will let you know what disc / pad combo Dave advises
Have you facebook, Mike? be easier than uploading pics... I don't have any sitting in photobucket.
OEM setup is in the garage, as is all my OEM stuff, in two minds whether to sell on now or replace everything come selling up time...
If you have the space and arent in need of the cash Id probably keep hold of them. I never used to have any space :( So move oem parts on as they were replaced.
Do wish I had them just incase though.
If you get a quote from dealer let me know how much for the pads I get 19% off porsche dealer prices and am in Uk in a fortnight to save postage if you needed some :happy2:
I'm in Northern Ireland so postage would still have to be arranged but I'm sure there would still be a saving of some kind if you were willing to ship them over.
I'll give The dealership a shout tomorrow and see what they say.
Can anyone tell me the year(s) of the Boxster our kit is off? It's the 986 model I think but just want as much info as possible so I get a quote for the correct pads.
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The discs come from DaveB. The same with the pads.
Carbotech can be made to fit this caliper (they will make any pad shape you like) but are extremely noisy
Pagid has a large collection to fit Porsche calipers (I have the Orange ones for road and track use and they are great)
Ferrodo also make DS2500 for this caliper but Pagid (Blue, Orange and of course, Yellow) are better.
LE: read more from here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13985.0.html
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Oooh I might be sending a belt back to Dave @ SERE in next couple / few weeks so may be able to kill two birds with one stone :wink:
I'll get a quote tommorow :happy2:
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Why necessarily aftermarket, Boxster owners don't tend to complain their brakes don't work - I've seen them lap all day on track with no issues.
Any specialist should get Pork pads, but I'd suggest unless you go high end ceramic £250 a set Pagid RS stuff, your hopes of performance and no dust are peeing in the wind.
A fair point, and put like that, there's not much I can say really... I guess I just had it in my head if I'm paying the money for new pads, when the ones fitted don't need changing... I'd just go for the best I could get (within reason) and automatically assumed the aftermarket route :smiley:
I'll definitely bare the OEM pads in mind but still wanting to here what the fast road setup men are using and their observations regarding the levels of dust their pad of choice produces.
thanks everyone for the input so far! :happy2:
No worries.
I've used the following, see what you can find from each in Boxster shape and have a read about their compound types to see what suits?
Carbotech,
Carbon Lorraine,
EBC (DO NOT BUY THIS CRAP),
Brembo,
Performance Friction,
Pagid,
Ferrodo,
Mintex.
The Pagids were best in terms of dust levels and being road friendly, but don't forget anything uprated means it's useless until it's hot. Stamping on cold brakes and having nothing happen when you really need them is frightening!
What are you doing with the car? Road only or track work??
Very useful post and much appreciated! :happy2:
I want to get a nice fast road setup I suppose is the best way to describe it.
Everything that's been said so far is probably pointing me towards OEM Porsche (Brembo) pads. I wouldn't be doing much tracking (if any) - it's something I wouldn't mind doing further down the line though.
I do want performance for the odd occasion on the road where it might be useful :driver: but they do have to work in everyday driving conditions therefore I think OEM Porsche ticks all those boxes!
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The discs come from DaveB. The same with the pads.
Carbotech can be made to fit this caliper (they will make any pad shape you like) but are extremely noisy
Pagid has a large collection to fit Porsche calipers (I have the Orange ones for road and track use and they are great)
Ferrodo also make DS2500 for this caliper but Pagid (Blue, Orange and of course, Yellow) are better.
LE: read more from here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13985.0.html
I'm going to have to get back in touch with Dave I think, he's been holding out on me! haha Although I think when I got my kit the "J Hook" design discs were only in testing...
Thanks!
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Oooh I might be sending a belt back to Dave @ SERE in next couple / few weeks so may be able to kill two birds with one stone :wink:
I'll get a quote tommorow :happy2:
Proper plan right here, Mike! :happy2:
Keep me posted!
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currently running mintex 1144s on that kit which can be a bit noisy and dusty but do have some bit
daveb rated textar as a road pad when i spoke to him which is prob what i'll go for or oem pork
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I ran SBS carbon pads and these were good for both road and track. A noisy but pretty low dust levels :happy2:
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I ran SBS carbon pads and these were good for both road and track. A noisy but pretty low dust levels :happy2:
hunted high and low fella they don't do them anymore, pitty as seemed the ideal compromise :sad1:
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^^^ That's Poo :sad1:
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Pagid or Textar are the OE manufacturers for Porsche, so you can buy either and be comfortable you are getting "Porsche" brake pads but as without the porsche box, but the same pads inside. Both are good agree you won't get rid of the dust but will stop you very well. I have the NQSBBK on my GTI and IIRC the calipers are from the 2.5 Boxster, front brakes. This is important as the later boxsters have a bigger engine and (I think) bigger brake pads.
HTH
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http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/169744-not-so-big-brake-kit-porsche-brembo-4-pot-calipers-on-vrs (http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/169744-not-so-big-brake-kit-porsche-brembo-4-pot-calipers-on-vrs) :happy2:
I went with Textar initially but then tried Ferodo DS2500's. Both are great although the notable improvement in going from OEM to NQSBBK kind of masked any improvement that I might have expected with the DS2500s. I would say the Pagid and Textar are plenty good enough.
I also got my J-hooks direct from DaveB.
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regards the J Hook discs, what are they as a base product before any machining? How long would you expect them to last over normal discs?
I'm currently on my first set since the car was bought in 2008 (Brand New) and have covered 46k miles approx...
Are they worth the £295 price tag?
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Mine are Brembo.
I think DaveB had a far better price than £295.
I can't say if they are good or bad (because there isn't an objective way of measuring) but I would definitely buy some new J Hooks as soon as these one wear out.
I have had the discs + pads for about 10000 km (6000 miles) with minimal wear. During this time I had about 280km (175 miles) of track (aka real intense use) and no issues.
After I bought them I started looking at disc shapes and I found out that the J Hook disc is used in motorsport (found many pictures and even saw many rally teams from our National Rally Championship using J Hook discs)
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Mine are Brembo.
I think DaveB had a far better price than £295.
I can't say if they are good or bad (because there isn't an objective way of measuring) but I would definitely buy some new J Hooks as soon as these one wear out.
I have had the discs + pads for about 10000 km (6000 miles) with minimal wear. During this time I had about 280km (175 miles) of track (aka real intense use) and no issues.
After I bought them I started looking at disc shapes and I found out that the J Hook disc is used in motorsport (found many pictures and even saw many rally teams from our National Rally Championship using J Hook discs)
I really should start double checking these things before i post! :ashamed:
DaveB's price is £195 :smiley:
So I should take the plunge? I don't even know how much discs usually cost as I have never replaced the one's on my car... I assume this is a decent deal and would be a fool not to reap the benefits?
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I had some 345mm off Dave Drilled and powder coated. Around that price ^ Plenty left on them, worth the £ J - hooked @ that price sounds good
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Can someone help with some questions in regards to these brakes :signLOL:
Are they bigger than standard?
Are they a better upgrade to the r32/s3 setup
Will they fit under my pescaras?
Is there a better/bigger setup still in the porshe range? Like cayman or carrera?
Sorry bout the questions but I may be looking for a set shortly :party:
Jack
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Can someone help with some questions in regards to these brakes :signLOL:
Are they bigger than standard?
Bigger
Are they a better upgrade to the r32/s3 setup
Lighter & 4pot instead of 1
Will they fit under my pescaras?
You'll need a 3mm spacer
Is there a better/bigger setup still in the porshe range? Like cayman or carrera?
You can go bigger but ive heared you loose some pedal feel and brake balance
Sorry bout the questions but I may be looking for a set shortly :party:
Jack
hope that helps.Just need some pads and spacers for mine.managed to get the porsche anti squeel shims from eurocar parts for £50 using the online discount code.
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mo.. the r32 setup is a single piston :happy2:
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mo.. the r32 setup is a single piston :happy2:
Edited :laugh:
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White_Lady_170 I would definitely go for it. I think it is a very, very good setup. And I have immense confidence in DaveB.
JackG
1. Only the caliper and brake lines are different compared to stock. The disc size is the same. They still fit under 16 inch rims.
2. I haven't seen anybody objectively compare the NQSBBK to the R32 brakes. The weight advantage is clear for the NQSBBK's, but the R32 setup has a far better disc size. I went for the NQSBBK because I have 16inch alloys for winter and I didn't want to change them.
3. The caliper is bulkier so a spacer might be required depending on the rims.
4. The boxster calipers are the same as the cayman calipers and 996 Carrera 2. There are some other kits like the 997 Carrera but I guess it all comes down to the power your car has, the weight of your car and if you are tracking your car or not.