MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Phil_T on June 28, 2011, 04:32:48 pm
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As above when getting on the motorway you can feel the steering wheel shaking in your hand & if you let go can see it moving slightly side to side like its wobble. I had four wheel alignment & balancing done but its still there but the front end now feels heavier? I have just put new alloys & tyres on the car & it doesnt feel like its doing it below motorway speeds.
Any ideas please
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It sounds simple, but most wheel balancing weights are adhesive. Check & make sure one hasn't fallen off.
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Yeah, this is usually a wheel balancing problem or a buckled/damaged alloy. Try getting the wheels balanced again at another garage. I had that problem recently.
Good luck!
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Sounds like naff wheels to be if you just had them aligned and balanced. what did you put on?
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Just been to have them done again at another garage, Only had the front two done & they said the drivers front right wheel out 15g & front pass side out 35g. Been on motorway & its still vibrating through steering wheel & wobbling slightly. They are speedline turinis so not crap wheels.
Any other ideas?
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Check the alignment settings. There's a good thread on here somewhere. The 'search' tool should find it. Sadly many 'alignment' centres wouldn't know a good alignment if it hit 'em in the face. Worth a second opnion. Considering the first lot couldn't get the wheel weights spot on, I'd doubt their skills.
Although the tyres are new, check thoroughly for bulges or sidewall blisters. I've seen new tyres with hideous defects (albeit rarely).
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Have you considered a slightly buckled wheel?
Have a look at it spinning on the balance machine, you'll see if they have a whack in them. ( noticed one of mine is slightly bashed at the minute, but looks perfect :sad1: )
You've got 2 options then:
Send em' back.
Or if they are slight buckled, put em on the rear.
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Are there spigot rings fitted with these? If they are missing and you need them this would give you the vibration you are talking about too.
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Are there spigot rings fitted with these? If they are missing and you need them this would give you the vibration you are talking about too.
and that! :notworthy:
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Could the rear wheels need re balancing?
They didnt come with any spigot rings & am sure others that have fitted these wheels dont use them eithier & dont have the problems I am having
Doubt its the wheels or tyres as they are brand new.
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Just been reading another thread, the wheels came with a new set of bolts & locking wheel nuts. It looked like the top of the nut where it seats into the rim was different so I used the new wheel bolts provided but with the standard Audi locking nuts. Ive just looked at them & the thread length is the same but the seating on the nuts is different. Could this be my problem as the bolt may be different for each locking nut? Also the new locking nuts dont look as safe as the Audi ones
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the problem is either
1.balance
2.out of shape tyre or wheel
3..wheel not positioned correctly on hub
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the problem is either
1.balance
2.out of shape tyre or wheel
3..wheel not positioned correctly on hub
1. front two have been re done so only leaves the rears but am guessing because am getting the vibration/wobble through the steering it means its the fronts.
2. They are brand new wheels & tyres
3. They must be on the hub properly as they put the wheel on the hub & lined the bolt holes up.
Surely it could be other things the the disks or ball joints?
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if you still have your old wheels try them on to see if you have the same trouble or swap the speed line back to front
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if you still have your old wheels try them on to see if you have the same trouble or swap the speed line back to front
I can do that no problem but if the problem is still there after what do you think?
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then as you mentioned it might be a hub or drive shaft---but am sure if you put your old wheels on the problem will go hopefully
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Tony Danza had Speedline Turini's, ask him if his came with spigot rings and what bolts he used. It is best not to mix bolts, they should all have the same seating angle or all have ball seatings and which type you use should be recommended by the manufacturer. Once you have eliminated the alloys and bolts you are left with suspension, brakes, alignment and bearings. A long process but you'll get there in the end Phil :happy2:
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The info on the new locking nuts which aint fitted says, I have pm'd Tony too. Thanks
14 x 1.5 x 25mm
Do these sound like the correct bolts?
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No spigots, they're made with the correct VAG centre bore. They need a 60degree taper bolts, the rounded VAG ones will cause wobble.
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If you have the bolts with the wrong shoulder for the seats on the wheel, then i would not drive it another inch. a couple of people on here have had the wrong bolts and the wheels have come off whilst driving down the road. :scared:
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Ive swapped the locking nuts over to the ones that came with the wheels to match the bolts that are on the car which also came with the wheels but its still there. I think it may be brake related as am sure i can feel something at low speeds but then when on the motorway it just makes the problem worse as the car is going faster
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try putting your orig wheels and wheel studs back on first and try it
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Which ones of these are on the car?
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Other thoughts:
Those tyres you have a turd, I'm sorry to tell you. They're well known for doing this as pictured below. There may be a problem that you can't see with the tyre yet?
How old are the tyres, have you run them on the back and swapped to the front? VAG geo is rubbish and turns tyres into 50ps, I moved some rears to front when I first got my MKV and got terrible wobble through the wheel.. basically the toe in and camber are on the piss at the rear, I bet they only checked the fronts when you had it done???
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Other thoughts:
Those tyres you have a turd, I'm sorry to tell you. They're well known for doing this as pictured below. There may be a problem that you can't see with the tyre yet?
How old are the tyres, have you run them on the back and swapped to the front? VAG geo is rubbish and turns tyres into 50ps, I moved some rears to front when I first got my MKV and got terrible wobble through the wheel.. basically the toe in and camber are on the piss at the rear, I bet they only checked the fronts when you had it done???
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi22.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb319%2Fmiller_63%2FEVO%25201RS%2FP1100122.jpg&hash=fee10ec7fdd81d25afa0ac5a3169f134d3bcebd2)
The wheels & the tyres are only 1 week old, If I remember the wobble was there on my compomotive wheels but it was worse!! maybe due to the fact they were 9" wide & had stretch tyres. So am I right in guessing this could rule out the wheels are tyres?. I asked them to do a four wheel alignment & have a sheet showing the adjustment on the front & rear. The only thing I havnt had redone is the balancing on the rear wheels but as with them all they came balanced when I got them but got the fronts redone to try & fix this wobble! God this is really doing my head in now :(
Which ones of these are on the car?
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The bolts which came with the car when new are the raduis seat & the ones which came with the alloys are the cone seat which is now all fitted to the car. As above I used the standard bolts which came with the car with my compomotive wheels but the vibration & wobble was alot worse
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Hmm, the fronts weren't balanced properly, right?
Get the backs done too, you can still feel that through the car - although if it did it on your old wheels, then it kind of points to something else. Have the discs been replaced, did they clean up behind them?
Then you're into checking wishbone bushes, topmounts, balljoints.
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They were all balanced at first when i bought them new but when i went to the garage to fit them one 10g weight fell off in the back of the car so they said to get both fronts redone. Am i using the correct bolts btw?
Also like you said as it did this on my old wheels this kinda of rules them out.
The car was in at audi a while back for a pinging noise when turning at parking speeds (i have an old thread on here for that) it was the fourth time for that problem and they solved it. They also said my hub carrier was bent/broken so replaced that. After this part of the pad must not have been touching the disk as there was a rusty line around the disk which eventually wore away after a few weeks!! Could there be something not right on the brakes from what they did?
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Have you had steve look at it from Statllers Phil?
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Have you had steve look at it from Statllers Phil?
No mate not yet, I did mention it when it was on the old wheels but we thought it might be because there were stretched, The car is at audi in two weeks so I will see what they can find or might bob round to steve before hand