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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Nodz on July 23, 2011, 05:45:22 pm
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018020/Amy-Winehouse-dead--Found-dead-London-flat.html
Unfortunately was only a matter of time before this happened
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wow well can you say
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unbeliveable, what a waste at only 27!
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I agree completely, however if you choose that lifestyle it's inevitable isn't it, she will get more coverage than the next British Soldier/Policeman/Fireman that dies in the line of duty, which is tragic.
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I'm not at all surprised. I feel very sorry for her parents, especially her father, but.... She was so overrated as a singer and performer and paid the cost of being a junky. Just another quasi celeb, like Jade Whats-her-name.
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she will get more coverage than the next British Soldier/Policeman/Fireman that dies in the line of duty, which is tragic.
....And that's exactly why I feel so anti the quasi celebs. It's society which puts them 'up' there and it's utterly meaningless imo.
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She's now in a place she can no longer harm herself....
Sad, and a waste of a talent
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She's now in a place she can no longer harm herself....
Sad, and a waste of a talent
....I don't think she really was that talented. Any quality came from those who produced her music. Just my opinion and one which many won't agree with.
She was obviously hardwired into self harming unfortunately, so good that is over for her. Her dad will be devastated.
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did you honestly say she was was not talented :rolleye: i don't like her much but she could 100% sing her arse off and could bang out her voice and stay in tune unlike a lot of crap out at the mo
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think it was going to happen some day sadly what a waste of life
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What a shame, but when you think of the number of singers/rock stars who have gone down this dead end route. An extremely long list of talented people.
Looking at some of the images of her on Sky news, in '97 she looked so fresh faced and minus the tats...
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Agree, what a waste of talent !!!
We both feel very sad. :ashamed: :sad1:
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It's certainly a tragedy for the people who care about her, the countless people who tried to help her, and her fans, but the real tragedy is that she let them down. Not everyone who has problems with alcohol and drugs have these privileges. She was quite open with the fact that drugs fuelled her creativity, so I'd bet she knew this was her destiny. Pretty grim nonetheless.
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I heard on the news that the cause of death was still uncertain - I guess it's nothing a toxicology report won't sort out. :evilgrin:
I might be the only one here who to be honest doesn't give a fcuk that she's dead. IMHO she was just a waster that ruined her life with drink and drugs and isn't the kind of person I have much respect for.
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I might be the only one here who to be honest doesn't give a fcuk that she's dead. IMHO she was just a waster that runnier her life with drink and drugs and isn't the kind of person I have much respect for.
No, I didn't want to be too hardline (unusual for me) but I completely agree. The talent thing people keep mentioning is pretty irrelevant in my opinion.
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She's been living off her early days for years now. She used to sound amazing and had bags of soul. She's not had any of that for a long time now though, she lost it all, her health, her voice, her ambition and her presence. She had the world at her feet and she threw it all away, not in an instant either...she spent years and years slowly throwing it away bit by bit...thats the only tragic bit. Years ago her performances were amazing, after a while they were sh*t...don't know what made people keep slobbering over her tbh.
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I might be the only one here who to be honest doesn't give a fcuk that she's dead. IMHO she was just a waster that runnier her life with drink and drugs and isn't the kind of person I have much respect for.
No, I didn't want to be too hardline (unusual for me) but I completely agree. The talent thing people keep mentioning is pretty irrelevant in my opinion.
....Agreed x3!
She had some talent in the early years as Carl says, but was simply overrated IMO and had nil respect for her fans nor much anyone else later. Good riddance - She's actually better off gone and away from all her self inflicted suffering.
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pop quiz ... which other pop stars else died at 27....?
then discuss the significance of the number 27...
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Hedrix
Curt codain
Jim Morrison
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then discuss the significance of the number 27...
Kurt Cobain, Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison and Jimi Hendrix...
However, I think the more relevant common connection is that they all died because they abused drugs!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club#Musicians_usually_included_in_the_27_Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club#Musicians_usually_included_in_the_27_Club)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club#Other_musicians_who_died_at_27 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club#Other_musicians_who_died_at_27)
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I'm not at all surprised. I feel very sorry for her parents, especially her father, but.... She was so overrated as a singer and performer and paid the cost of being a junky. Just another quasi celeb, like Jade Whats-her-name.
Very sad day for MUSIC, amazing talent, not quite like Jade goody! RIP AW!
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I saw Winehouses niece at the Latitude festival last Sunday. She was very good and sounded just like Amy who IMO had a good voice too. As said, I'm sure it's no surprise she was found dead in the way that she was with the suspected cause of death as it stands.
It's a shame but she did definitely tarnish her own name very much so by her own silly actions.
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Very sad day for MUSIC, amazing talent
....Why a sad day for music? - She had no more music to offer people. She was finished and had wrecked herself.
She has tarnished how good (good but not brilliant imo) she was up to the time of that album which made her famous. She ran out of talent, albeit due to alcohol and drugs etc.
But now people will treat her like a martyr and believe she's better than she was.
Wait for the release and heavy marketing of all her previous recordings irrespective of their quality.... It won't take long.
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I feel sorry for her father, can you imagine having a daughter with her finger on the self destruct button knowing there is nothing you can do?
Is it a waste that she has killed herself? No, not really... she proved that in belgrade. Her hay day was over, and it didn't ever look like she had any intention of getting clean.
Is it a shame that she didn't get herself sorted out and continue touring and recording albums? Yes, regardless of if you like her or not.
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Shame she felt for whatever reason she didn't have the support to help.
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Shame she felt for whatever reason she didn't have the support to help.
Im sure she had all the help support she needed... on more than one occasion.
Horse to water :happy2:
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I agree with Carl.
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I agree with most that's been said, she was good early on (but as with anything good got over played and became annoying) then she just slowly started ruining herself with drugs and drink until the worst happened whichwas yesterday... As I said in my first post, it was only a matter of time
Kurt Cobain, Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison and Jimi Hendrix...
However, I think the more relevant common connection is that they all died because they abused drugs!
Was kurt cobain really killed by the drugs in his body or was there another explination :evilgrin:
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I have a complete zero tolerance policy to anyone who does drugs and in all honesty i couldnt care any less about her death, im the same for people who commit suicide. Just selfish self centred people. Obviously its a shame for her family, but lets be fair, it was only a matter of time before it happened.
Is it safe to post amy winehouse jokes yet.....
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She was a junkie. Nothing more nothing less! And her music sucked ass aswell! When I heard shed died it wasnt a shock in the slightest! The only thing I'm surprised about is that it took her till now to kill herself!
Like has been said, I feel for her family and close friends as they are the ones who will he suffering now!
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She was a junkie. Nothing more nothing less! And her music sucked ass aswell! When I heard shed died it wasnt a shock in the slightest! The only thing I'm surprised about is that it took her till now to kill herself!
Like has been said, I feel for her family and close friends as they are the ones who will he suffering now!
Thats a very polarised opinion. Was Jimmy Hendrix just a junkie? Was James Taylor just a junkie? Was Chet Baker just a junkie? Are you saying that everyone who does drug is a junkie?
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I'm the same for people who commit suicide. Just selfish self centred people.
That just shows a total misunderstanding of mental health issues - which isn't uncommon. People just don't understand what mental illnesses are. Sure they're both illnesses but clinical depression isn't the same as addiction, though I think they both deserve compassion and empathy. The difference is that drug addiction deserves compassion up to a point, and Whitehoue had gone far beyond that point.
Did you watch Losing It with Ruby Wax?
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Thats a very polarised opinion. Was Jimmy Hendrix just a junkie? Was James Taylor just a junkie? Was Chet Baker just a junkie? Are you saying that everyone who does drug is a junkie?
No, not everyone who takes drugs is a junkie! Thats not what I said! She however was a junkie! And if you can say differently then your lying! In the last few years I can't remember a time when she was in the press not drunk/off her face!
I'm not going to argue! She was just a waste of space! Just my opinion of course!
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I agree completely, however if you choose that lifestyle it's inevitable isn't it, she will get more coverage than the next British Soldier/Policeman/Fireman that dies in the line of duty, which is tragic.
Totally agree.Our lads and girls just aren't as newsworthy as so called "celebrities" and yet, in my opinion, they're far more worthy of greater respect and recognition.
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I don't think anyone with talent who has died due to drug abuse can be labeled as just a junkie. My favorite musician of all time threw himself out of a hotel window in Amsterdam smacked up to the eye balls.... He was far from just a junkie.
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Musically talented or otherwise does not negate the fact that she, and others before her, were just junkies. Every human has a talent of some description that sets them apart whether its admired by the wider public or not and whether that person ever gets the chance to realise that talent and make something of it. Talent is not unique or an excuse!
She had that chance and made very little of it. Worse than that she's perpetuated the notion that drug / alcohol abuse is part of the acceptable rock and roll lifestyle to many a youngster. Hopefully her death will serve as a good example of why not to follow that lifestyle.
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Never liked her from the start & still don't like her now even though she's dead.
She was a waster & a shocking image to the younger generation nowadays.
Not being nasty but she was a junkie plain & simple, I don't see how people are shocked by her death lol was only a matter of time.
Not gonna change my life in any way + it gives the media a story for the next few days, so its pathetic - WHO CARES!
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Dunno Sy but i have just been in my Local Threshers and the Winehouse section is closed!
Apparently George Best and Alex Higgins are over the moon as well. They have heard that a Winehouse has arrived in heaven :evilgrin:
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I have a complete zero tolerance policy to anyone ........who commit suicide. Just selfish self centred people.
So its OK to be selfish and force your loved ones to care fo you no matter how poor your state of health is :fighting:
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Yes it is, and that's from a personal family experience of my uncle committing suicide many years ago, luckily my two cousins survived :fighting2: thats enough on that topic.
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Not gonna change my life in any way + it gives the media a story for the next few days, so its pathetic - WHO CARES!
I care. :wink:
Not ignoring the fact she was a ''junkie'' but for me she was the most remarkable female singer
of the past decade.
So her death imho is a huge loss for music. I regarded the new James Bond theme from her.
I guess it would have been great.
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I'm the same for people who commit suicide. Just selfish self centred people.
That just shows a total misunderstanding of mental health issues - which isn't uncommon. People just don't understand what mental illnesses are. Sure they're both illnesses but clinical depression isn't the same as addiction, though I think they both deserve compassion and empathy. The difference is that drug addiction deserves compassion up to a point, and Whitehoue had gone far beyond that point.
Did you watch Losing It with Ruby Wax?
:congrats: Thank You!
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I echo most people's comments tbh.. She was a 'has been' and nothing more and lived of that for the last 5 or so years.. If she had turned things around and made a come back then I would of given her respect. Instead, she has a sell out tour and can't even bring herself to stay in a fit state of mind for a couple of hours to entertain the 1000's of fans that had payed good money to see her perform.. :fighting:
I just hope that Doherty follows suit sooner rather than later.. :fighting:
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^^
never a truer word spoken!!
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Never really cared about her to be honest. What is worrying is listening about her on the news BEFORE they talk about the bombings / shooting in Norway, i find that very sad indeed :confused:
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Never really cared about her to be honest. What is worrying is listening about her on the news BEFORE they talk about the bombings / shooting in Norway, i find that very sad indeed :confused:
totally agree :happy2:
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I've been working in Norway for years and today spoke to my boss - there are still youths from her area missing on the island and unaccounted for.
Sorry to say it but those events in Norway were the only tragedy in the news at the weekend.
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even gavin for auto glass couldn't help amy with her crack problem!
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glad shes gone, was her own fault, she was stealing decent peoples air
waste of space, there was no helping her
also like above
this took off more than the horrible things that happened in norway, that really is messed up
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glad shes gone, was her own fault, she was stealing decent peoples air
waste of space, there was no helping her
Very poor seeing people on this planet with this kind of approach. :sleepy:
(of course I agree that Norway is the bigger tragedy, but this wasn't the topic)
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Just lying in my bubble bath :innocent:listening To back to black... The girl did have talent but and it's a BIG BUT she wasted her talent big time ... One slippery slope downhill
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Some of these opinions should be kept to yourselves.
Somebody's daughter at the end of the day.
I have an opinion about it but I do not wish to share it.
Because its not fair on her FAMILY!
Well out of order. :sad1:
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Some of these opinions should be kept to yourselves.
Somebody's daughter at the end of the day.
I have an opinion about it but I do not wish to share it.
Because its not fair on her FAMILY!
Well out of order. :sad1:
....I see your point but, countering that, her family are extremely touched by the very public show of support (all over the TV news and media). Yes, this forum is public but there's always going to differing opinions expressed everywhere.
When we lost our 4yo son, friends and strangers alike showed huge emotional support (a couple of hundred people were at his burial ceremony). Such support is moving in the extreme. I can tell you that if someone had expressed 'good riddance' or similar, my thoughts would be that it was their problem not mine. It's not as if loads of folks are turning up outside the Winehouse residence and celebrating her death.
Folks here are just being honest about what they think of Amy Whinehouse.
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Some of these opinions should be kept to yourselves.
Somebody's daughter at the end of the day.
I have an opinion about it but I do not wish to share it.
Because its not fair on her FAMILY!
Well out of order. :sad1:
Some comments have gone a little over the top I agree (jokes etc), but most are just giving there opinion on Amy Whinehouse herself. She is somebody's daughter you're right mate and I have full sympathy for Mitch Whinehouse especially. This guy has been dragged to hell and back after what he has seen his daughter do to herself, even after his countless attempts to help her. This is one of the main reasons why I don't carry much sympathy for Amy herself...
Yes she was a drug addict, but it's still completely selfish IMO..
Oh and let's be honest, unless Mitch Whinehouse has just bought a Mk5 GTI, I hardly think he is going to be on this forum and read these comments. But i'm pretty sure he is going to hear comments about his daughter that aren't nice. True, but not nice...
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She was 27 and unfortunately couldn't handle the 'pressure' of 'fame'.
I think she was extremely talented with one of the greatest female jazz voices I have heard.
On the face of it, it appears drugs/drink, one of the same? was the answer for her?
I was going to put anybody but I won't, who thinks she wasn't talented is hugely mistaken.
With the likes of girls aloud, Saturday's etc etc who can only pout and dance poorly to say she had no talent is delusional.
Have all the negative comments about her talent actually listened properly, sat down and actually listened to how good she was?
I am a music fan and to put her talent down because she was a 'junkie' is grossly misunderstood.
And lastly is getting completely hammered on a Friday/Saturday night and waking up with somebody who you don't know and clothes missing any different to being a junkie?
It's escapism as is track days, car modding, mountain biking(adrenalin junkie?), gaming etc etc.
She was trying to escape and I think a little compassion is necessary.
We are all trying to do the same.
And you never know a relation or old friend of hers may be on here.
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She was 27 and unfortunately couldn't handle the 'pressure' of 'fame'.
I think she was extremely talented with one of the greatest female jazz voices I have heard.
On the face of it, it appears drugs/drink, one of the same? was the answer for her?
I was going to put anybody but I won't, who thinks she wasn't talented is hugely mistaken.
With the likes of girls aloud, Saturday's etc etc who can only pout and dance poorly to say she had no talent is delusional.
Have all the negative comments about her talent actually listened properly, sat down and actually listened to how good she was?
I am a music fan and to put her talent down because she was a 'junkie' is grossly misunderstood.
And lastly is getting completely hammered on a Friday/Saturday night and waking up with somebody who you don't know and clothes missing any different to being a junkie?
It's escapism as is track days, car modding, mountain biking(adrenalin junkie?), gaming etc etc.
She was trying to escape and I think a little compassion is necessary.
We are all trying to do the same.
And you never know a relation or old friend of hers may be on here.
IM not sure where to start with that comment! :grin:
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She was 27 and unfortunately couldn't handle the 'pressure' of 'fame'.
I think she was extremely talented with one of the greatest female jazz voices I have heard.
On the face of it, it appears drugs/drink, one of the same? was the answer for her?
I was going to put anybody but I won't, who thinks she wasn't talented is hugely mistaken.
With the likes of girls aloud, Saturday's etc etc who can only pout and dance poorly to say she had no talent is delusional.
Have all the negative comments about her talent actually listened properly, sat down and actually listened to how good she was?
I am a music fan and to put her talent down because she was a 'junkie' is grossly misunderstood.
And lastly is getting completely hammered on a Friday/Saturday night and waking up with somebody who you don't know and clothes missing any different to being a junkie?
It's escapism as is track days, car modding, mountain biking(adrenalin junkie?), gaming etc etc.
She was trying to escape and I think a little compassion is necessary.
We are all trying to do the same.
And you never know a relation or old friend of hers may be on here.
IM not sure where to start with that comment! :grin:
I maybe should have put present day.
But she was, was, very good.
With all the sh*t out there she was, again was, a breath of fresh air.
Did her boyfriend/husband do her any favours? Who knows.
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She was 27 and unfortunately couldn't handle the 'pressure' of 'fame'.
I think she was extremely talented with one of the greatest female jazz voices I have heard.
On the face of it, it appears drugs/drink, one of the same? was the answer for her?
I was going to put anybody but I won't, who thinks she wasn't talented is hugely mistaken.
With the likes of girls aloud, Saturday's etc etc who can only pout and dance poorly to say she had no talent is delusional.
Have all the negative comments about her talent actually listened properly, sat down and actually listened to how good she was?
I am a music fan and to put her talent down because she was a 'junkie' is grossly misunderstood.
And lastly is getting completely hammered on a Friday/Saturday night and waking up with somebody who you don't know and clothes missing any different to being a junkie?
It's escapism as is track days, car modding, mountain biking(adrenalin junkie?), gaming etc etc.
She was trying to escape and I think a little compassion is necessary.
We are all trying to do the same.
And you never know a relation or old friend of hers may be on here.
Nor that one... :surprised:
So doing a track day is now the same as sitting in a corner with a needle hanging out your arm and being near unconscious is it?!?! :surprised: For a start, one's legal and the other isn't..
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even gavin for auto glass couldn't help amy with her crack problem!
Perhaps the outcome would have been better if she stayed in rehab......but she said no, no, no.
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She was 27 and unfortunately couldn't handle the 'pressure' of 'fame'.
I think she was extremely talented with one of the greatest female jazz voices I have heard.
On the face of it, it appears drugs/drink, one of the same? was the answer for her?
I was going to put anybody but I won't, who thinks she wasn't talented is hugely mistaken.
With the likes of girls aloud, Saturday's etc etc who can only pout and dance poorly to say she had no talent is delusional.
Have all the negative comments about her talent actually listened properly, sat down and actually listened to how good she was?
I am a music fan and to put her talent down because she was a 'junkie' is grossly misunderstood.
And lastly is getting completely hammered on a Friday/Saturday night and waking up with somebody who you don't know and clothes missing any different to being a junkie?
It's escapism as is track days, car modding, mountain biking(adrenalin junkie?), gaming etc etc.
She was trying to escape and I think a little compassion is necessary.
We are all trying to do the same.
And you never know a relation or old friend of hers may be on here.
Nor that one... :surprised:
So doing a track day is now the same as sitting in a corner with a needle hanging out your arm and being near unconscious is it?!?! :surprised: For a start, one's legal and the other isn't..
No but escapism is and that is my point.
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She was 27 and unfortunately couldn't handle the 'pressure' of 'fame'.
....Some can and some can't, irrespective of age or talent.
I think she was extremely talented with one of the greatest female jazz voices I have heard.
....Fair enough if her voice greatly appeals to you but I wouldn't go as far as saying the greatest.
On the face of it, it appears drugs/drink, one of the same? was the answer for her?
....An escape for her because she couldn't handle the fame? Or was it because she was a very weak character and was easily influenced? She possibly thought that getting wasted on drink/drugs was cool and essential to being a successful artist.
I was going to put anybody but I won't, who thinks she wasn't talented is hugely mistaken.
With the likes of girls aloud, Saturday's etc etc who can only pout and dance poorly to say she had no talent is delusional.
Have all the negative comments about her talent actually listened properly, sat down and actually listened to how good she was?
I am a music fan and to put her talent down because she was a 'junkie' is grossly misunderstood.
....I think she ran out of talent. She totally lost my respect when she started losing any respect for both her family and her fans.
And lastly is getting completely hammered on a Friday/Saturday night and waking up with somebody who you don't know and clothes missing any different to being a junkie?
It's escapism as is track days, car modding, mountain biking(adrenalin junkie?), gaming etc etc.
She was trying to escape and I think a little compassion is necessary.
We are all trying to do the same.
....According to your logic on this, every hobby/interest could be viewed as escapism. I for one, don't see any of my many interests as escapism but rather as the things which enrich my life.
And you never know a relation or old friend of hers may be on here.
....Does that mean that we should hide our honest opinions/views? Not me! If they are well balanced people they won't care.
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And lastly is getting completely hammered on a Friday/Saturday night and waking up with somebody who you don't know and clothes missing any different to being a junkie?
Do you know the meaning of the word Junkie?
Lets not confuse binge drinking and getting lashed up at the weekend and having a one night stand the same as been addicted to smack and always needing a fix shall we :happy2:
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I actually think that a lot of you would be surprised with how musicians/artists/actors maybe all one of the same? Would all be classed as 'junkies'.
I actually agree with some of the later comments and I was probably wrong to put our escapisms in the same light but I was just trying to put it into perspective how easy it can be to become obsessed, addicted to things.
My opinion is just that I thought it was a bit sad really, sad for her fans, friends and family who were unable to drag her back to reality.
Over and out.
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just read this and it sums it up for me
Everyone Feeling Sorry For Amy Winehouse. Think About This. She Buys Some Heroin, Most Of The Heroin On The UK Streets Comes From Afghanista n, The Money From That Deal Goes To The Taliban, Which In Turn Pays For Bomb Parts And Bullets That Are Aimed For A Soldier. A Soldier Gets Killed And Leaves A Wife, Kids & Family Behind! Tell Me Now That You Feel Sorry For The Poor Girl That Had Everything !!
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That's ridiculous. We don't live in a world where everything is so black and white.
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we all have opinions, and ive stated mine, as have you
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That's ridiculous. We don't live in a world where everything is so black and white.
Maybe not but in this instance it is pretty much that black & white!
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we all have opinions, and ive stated mine, as have you
And yours is that drug addicts are directly responsible for soldiers losing their lives in Afghanistan? Right...
I really hope none of your children suffer from addiction because you'll have some serious learning to do, as will many who have posted here.
A lot of people have said they feel sorry for her Father, but how many people have actually considered what it must have been like for him?
There is a great quote from one of my favourite books, To Kill A Mockingbird:
"You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view . . . until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."
The same goes for drug addicts, and people who commit suicide.
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we all have opinions, and ive stated mine, as have you
And yours is that drug addicts are directly responsible for soldiers losing their lives in Afghanistan? Right...
I can guarantee you that is true for those who are Heroin addicts. 97.4% of ALL Heroin in the UK is from Afghanistan. So yes they are directly responsible!
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further to that 97.4% of heroin is from Afghanistan, but 90% of that is produced in the Helmand Province which is where the british soldiers are operating
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My 'tupence...its sad. Ragardless of talent, self inflicted abuse etc etc its sad.
I guess we will never really understand why people take drugs unless we have been there ourselves. We will never understand ones cravings.
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I guess we will never really understand why people take drugs unless we have been there ourselves. We will never understand ones cravings.
....Lots of reasons why people take drugs and I include alcohol as a drug.
Speaking as someone who has taken drugs on a daily basis but not for over 20 years, most folks take drugs recreationally, some as escapism, some addictive, some not addictive. I've experienced most drugs except heroin - I drew the line there although offered it a couple of times: We each have our own 'cravings' be it for chocolate, sex, or fast cars - We like to repeat what gives us pleasure. Peer group pressure, thinking it's cool, are other common influences.
Creatively, most drugs (not alcohol) warp our natural sense of time and so sensations appear to be extended - We think we are seeing/hearing more in what we're focussed on. However, some people are physically badly effected by drugs and it's dangerous for them.
Those of you who drink and enjoy getting 'bladdered', ask yourselves why. Then just substitute another drug for alcohol. The only difference is that some drugs are more physically addictive, though alcohol can be extremely addictive too. Much depends on you as an individual.
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when you grow up you are taught the dangers of drugs. If you choose to ignore that well informed knowledge that drugs are addictive and can kill you well then thats the choice you make.
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we all have opinions, and ive stated mine, as have you
And yours is that drug addicts are directly responsible for soldiers losing their lives in Afghanistan? Right...
I can guarantee you that is true for those who are Heroin addicts. 97.4% of ALL Heroin in the UK is from Afghanistan. So yes they are directly responsible!
....Whether they are right or wrong, the Afghans/Taliban have an entirely valid point of view. From where they are sitting, the Western armed forces are intruders on their soil and they are defending their ways by any means they can, fair or foul and such is warfare. You don't need me to tell you that theirs is an entirely different culture. Personally I think the West is wrong to impose its own culture on them.
The Afghans are only responsible for taking advantage of the illegal trade in what becomes heroin, they are not responsible for those who of their own accord take the drugs nor for those who become addicted.
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when you grow up you are taught the dangers of drugs. If you choose to ignore that well informed knowledge that drugs are addictive and can kill you well then thats the choice you make.
....Exactly!
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when you grow up you are taught the dangers of drugs. If you choose to ignore that well informed knowledge that drugs are addictive and can kill you well then thats the choice you make.
True... if only it were that simple.
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when you grow up you are taught the dangers of drugs. If you choose to ignore that well informed knowledge that drugs are addictive and can kill you well then thats the choice you make.
True... if only it were that simple.
Other than there being other influences being involved, such as drugs being forced onto someone, it really is.
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Driving a car at 1XXmph down the motorway or around a corner as fast as you can can kill you, we know that, yet we have all done it.
Its an informed decision.
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Driving a car at 1XXmph down the motorway or around a corner as fast as you can can kill you, we know that, yet we have all done it.
Its an informed decision.
walking outside along the pavement can kill you too, as can driving at 20mph
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Driving a car at 1XXmph down the motorway or around a corner as fast as you can can kill you, we know that, yet we have all done it.
Its an informed decision.
walking outside along the pavement can kill you too, as can driving at 20mph
Exactly... we all take calculated risks day to day. Taking drugs/smoking/drinking are the same.
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we all have opinions, and ive stated mine, as have you
And yours is that drug addicts are directly responsible for soldiers losing their lives in Afghanistan? Right...
I can guarantee you that is true for those who are Heroin addicts. 97.4% of ALL Heroin in the UK is from Afghanistan. So yes they are directly responsible!
....Whether they are right or wrong, the Afghans/Taliban have an entirely valid point of view. From where they are sitting, the Western armed forces are intruders on their soil and they are defending their ways by any means they can, fair or foul and such is warfare. You don't need me to tell you that theirs is an entirely different culture. Personally I think the West is wrong to impose its own culture on them.
The Afghans are only responsible for taking advantage of the illegal trade in what becomes heroin, they are not responsible for those who of their own accord take the drugs nor for those who become addicted.
That's a whole new debate and going way off topic so i won't dwell on it. But I would suggest Robin that you are wrong and have no idea what "the West" is trying to impose. For a brief summary we are removing an oppressive regime that used brutal tactics to control its population. Such as throwing acid on girls who attended schools, chopped off the hands of those who had the Internet and harbors international terrorists and trained them to commit attacks around the world. Remember 9/11 took place before anyone had set foot in Afghanistan as did countless other attacks!
The point I was making is that if a drug addict in the UK buys some heroin. That money works it's way back to the Taliban who then use it to fund the purchase of explosives, weapons and ammunition (as well as other things). So they are directly linked to the deaths of UK service personnel in Afghanistan.
Yes it is an informed decision that they choose to make. Just as its an informed decision a serial killer, rapist or paedophile makes before committing their crimes. Doesn't mean I should feel sorry for them or have one iota of pity if they die.
The ones i do have Pity for are those that are forced to become drug addicts through pimps/coercion/torture etc. Amy Winehouse had none of that. She had everything at her disposal to beat drink & drugs but chose to carry on taking them.
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^^^ I still agree with Carl!
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^^^ I still agree with Carl!
+1
Thoughts with the family of course
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Do you think drug addicts should be treated like criminals?
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Do you think drug addicts should be treated like criminals?
Not particularly! It again depends on their individual circumstances.
The drug pushers and dealers however should be treated as the worst type of criminal.
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Interestingly is costs the tax payer far less to rehabilitate a drug addict than it does to send them to jail. It's also far more effective, with a large percentage of drug abusers who leave prison simply picking up where they left off.
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The Afghans are only responsible for taking advantage of the illegal trade in what becomes heroin, they are not responsible for those who of their own accord take the drugs nor for those who become addicted.
The ones i do have Pity for are those that are forced to become drug addicts through pimps/coercion/torture etc. Amy Winehouse had none of that. She had everything at her disposal to beat drink & drugs but chose to carry on taking them.
....I think we are in agreement about Amy Winehouse, Carl :happy2:
Unfortunately, removing a source of drugs doesn't stop those who have addiction problems in their character and/or as a result of their circumstances.
As you say, the subject of foreign forces in Afghan is a totally different discussion. It's important to understand other people's point of view even if they seem barbaric. The subject is not black and white.
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Heads-up for those interested: Ch5 TV tonight 10:00pm all about Amy W. Prog not advertised.
I'm not a fan but I think I'll watch it just to balance my views about her.
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Watching now mate.
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Hmm, well I now think she was a much better singer than I thought earlier. I guess I only saw her worst side. I still don't think she was the best singer of her generation but she was good.
It'll be interesting to know the circumstances of her death.
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I don't think it will be anymore exciting than an overdose or a heart attack brought on by drugs.
Interesting program though, shows you how easy it is to "oversteer" and end up a complete mess in such a short space of time.
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Put this on instead of Candy Bar Girls. Gutted. :sad1:
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They don't give Grammys, Ivor Novellos, Brits, MTV etc etc out to anybody!
Its safe for me to say she had some talent, IMHO it was very good.
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Hmm, well I now think she was a much better singer than I thought earlier. I guess I only saw her worst side. I still don't think she was the best singer of her generation but she was good.
It'll be interesting to know the circumstances of her death.
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Put this on instead of Candy Bar Girls. Gutted. :sad1:
Candy Girls was on afterwards. :happy2:
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I've certainly revised my 'humble' opinion about her. Before, I only saw her as a druggie who was musically overrated (I still really dislike the 'rehab' song) and someone who didn't deserve her fans as she treated them so badly and was such a bad example to others. Now, I love some of her earlier music and especially the 'black' song. It's a tragedy that she screwed up her life.
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No doubt she was a bad example. I don't care about her 'style' as well.
But I still love some of her songs. It took some time for me, but my girlfriend
liked her music before and so I had to listen to it as well . . .