MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: duncan on March 24, 2009, 03:46:40 pm
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well.... have only had the car 2 weeks but has had its fair share of problems
suspected something was wrong with the car so booked it into the rollingroadsurrey to have the power checked and to see if its running rich / lean
firstly the power output was only 185bhp (my car has had the WALD conversion so should be running at 240bhp)
the torque peaks at 170lb/ft and then drops to 125lb/ft as the revs get to 6000rpm
also he said that the car is running very very rich.
what do you guys think the problem could be? when talking to my VW garage they said that its possible that they might have to wipe the map although the work would still be done under warranty.
problem is that the garage i bought the car from say that the wald conversion is covered and the VW garage near where i live say that they do not know of any remaps that are covered under warranty.
although my vw garage are being great and have said they will go out of their way not to flag it up so all the work is carried out under warranty.
the guy at the rolling road place said that i should have noticed that the power was down alot but to be honest has felt pretty good. problem is that i havnt been in any other GTI's so wouldnt really know the difference
the car is booked in at VW so hopefully is an easy fix, just disapointed that im going to be without the car again...
problems so far: coil packs went and were replaced.
what i thought was a slow puncture was a leak on the seal between the alloy and the tyre (once the trye was reseated a few times this fixed the problem)
also have a sort of grinding noise when im full lock left
now this new problem - low power
any help / advice on this would be great
Cheers
Duncan :sad:
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Did you get your DV checked for tears?
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not at the rolling road - he didnt want to touch it since it was under warranty..
could that be causing the problem? would tears mean that the car would be running rich and very low on power?
excuse my ignorance but what is a DV? is that a common problem with the GTI?
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crikey duncan , gti ownership isnt being kind to you so far !
First off dont panic.
185bhp may not be too bad (depending on dyno type) but you should have lots more.
The car should feel really 'punchy' , you really need to try another std car, will the dealership take you out in one?
So if it was my car
1. Reflash back to stock OE map
2. Full diagnostic across the car to sort any issues and get a standard bhp/torque reading
3. From there you can then re-apply WALD or other remap
Im sorry but I have never heard of the WALD conversion , do you have any more info on that?
Problems can be PCV valves/dump valve (you could be producing boost but just releasing to atmosphere)/ turbo issues etc the list is endless and you need to be systematic in the diagnosis
You need a VW specialist who knows about the 2.0 TFSI who should be able to help you quickly :happy2:
Where are you again?
the grinding noise could be something simple or could be a known recall issue for steering racks (sorry :sad:) depending on the yr of your car.
In any case if the car is running very rich you need to get it looked at ASAP and try not to do many miles....
Common issues at the link below
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24952 (http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24952)
Steering rack symptoms here
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=32092.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=32092.0)
from JKM's website you can view lots of plots
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryGTI00309.htm
std mk5 gti power plot (not quite std but close enough)
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/Golf%20GTi%20RR%20Day%20March%2009/Dyno%20Charts/TTK.gif (http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/Golf%20GTi%20RR%20Day%20March%2009/Dyno%20Charts/TTK.gif)
what does yours look like?
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to be honest i dont know exactly what the WALD conversion entails but apparently is just a remap.
my local VW garage (colbornes in walton-upon-thames, in surrey)
have been very good and when it goes in they are going to try not to lose the remap - how would they be able to save it and then reapply it?
am i better off getting them mapping it back to standard and getting a 3rd party remap from revo, superchips etc etc?
the guy at the rolling road place said that this power drop could be due to the airflow meter going or loss of boost - i guess tears in the DV could cause this?
really hope its not a big deal...
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This is a stock manual graph
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FGallery%2Frollingroaddays%2FGolf%2520GTi%2520RR%2520Day%25202008%2FDyno%2520Charts%2FFXK.gif&hash=082ef1fbd7560b8ab4f69b7b10c10a47ea790c46)
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Sorry to hear about your problems Duncan. You will probably find that its something simple and cheap such as the diverter valve or the PCV. Personally, I'd take it to a place like JKM who can diagnostic and datalog it, and within 1hour the problem will be identified.
Although I appreciate that your car has a warrenty and so it should be used. Surely the WALD is covered under warrenty?
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worry ye not , its highly unlikely to be a big deal , plus you have a warranty and a sympathetic dealer.
Unless dealer applied WALD remap in first place , no they wont be able to save it , then can only overwrite it.
You need to find out who/where applied it first.
APR/REVO/Superchips (richter?)/GIAC are all well known names in the 2.0T remap business. But you will have to research each if you want to change. you may find the WALD is just one of these tuners behind the scenes and the product rebadged.
But yes a well known name is better imho.
Until you can nail down who produces WALD its a bit of an unknown
Lots of reasons for power loss , and it may not be just one. step by step confirmation all is ok is the only way.
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i can't add anything, it's all good advice ^^^^^
but it shouldn't be scary though so fear not
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thanks for that guys.
it does sound like it could be a boost leak hopefully a problem with the DV which should in theory be an easy fix but as you said has to go through a full diagnostic to find out
the only info i have on the WALD remap is that it was done in germany then the car was exported to the uk. the dealer that i bought the car from is in north yorkshire and im based in london so cant go back to them to get it looked at. my local dealer seems great though and have said they are going to do their best to save the map but i guess push comes to shove it will have to go and be replaced with a standard map..
if it was just a faulty DV once that is replaced could i see the power go straight up to 240bhp?
when i was at surrey rolling road today he did say that it is most likely a boost leak or a faulty airflow meter. the car also showed to be running extremely rich.
if i do go down the remap route if the car does get taken back to standard could there be any problems claiming off my warranty which has a year left? do you notice that big a difference vs stock map?
am really hoping that the WALD map can be saved.
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Difference for remapped vs stock is huge....
If you had a faulty air flow meter (MAF), then the drive would probably be a little jerky and not a smooth power delivery. A good way to check is to unplug the MAF and then drive the car a short distance and see if performance/driveability has improved.
A good first step is to check the stock DV for tears in the diaphram. Even if its not the problem, its another tick box checked! :smiley: :smiley:
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Did you buy this below? I have no idea what Wald are, other than the Japanese Wald International that make wheels/bodykits etc. There's Googlystuff floating around from the likes of Malaysia mentioning Wald remapped Golfs, so it could be someone is trading on that name?? Certainly nothing German though.
TBH - the garage/previous owner has probably plucked a name out of the sky and it's A.N.Other generic remap off an ebay disc or something? I'd be inclined not to save it, get it fixed and go buy something you know works and has customer support if required. Piece of mind is invaluable.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/612855.htm
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Difference for remapped vs stock is huge....
If you had a faulty air flow meter (MAF), then the drive would probably be a little jerky and not a smooth power delivery. A good way to check is to unplug the MAF and then drive the car a short distance and see if performance/driveability has improved.
A good first step is to check the stock DV for tears in the diaphram. Even if its not the problem, its another tick box checked! :smiley: :smiley:
will mention these bits to my dealer,
how do you unplug the MAF? and what does that do? havnt noticed the drive been jerky and power delivery has seemed pretty smooth. will ask them to check the DV and get it replaced if it is showing any sign of wear..
if the DV had tears once that is replaced could i just see the power go up instantly without any changes to the ECU?
i feel a bit stupid that i havnt noticed that its not been running at 240bhp but then glad that the car is about to get alot faster with alot more torque
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Did you buy this below? I have no idea what Wald are, other than the Japanese Wald International that make wheels/bodykits etc. There's Googlystuff floating around from the likes of Malaysia mentioning Wald remapped Golfs, so it could be someone is trading on that name?? Certainly nothing German though.
TBH - the garage/previous owner has probably plucked a name out of the sky and it's A.N.Other generic remap off an ebay disc or something? I'd be inclined not to save it, get it fixed and go buy something you know works and has customer support if required. Piece of mind is invaluable.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/612855.htm
no i didnt buy that one - my car was bought from VW themselves but similar area - did actually ring up that garage to ask them more about the WALD edition but they didnt have any real info on it.
am told by my dealer that it was definitley a VW approved remap and that it is done before the car is imported to the uk, it has a sticker on the engine saying WALD. may well get it removed and get something third party - but this map could end up being great and dont want to throw 500 quid down the drain.. am totally broke at the moment.
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I don't know Duncan, if you'd have said it went to Oettinger or ABT before it was sent over here, then I suppose we'd have heard of them, especially as Oettinger are (as far as I know) the only VW approved tuner in Germany.
Anyway, this is an aside. You're hopefully going to get the car fixed, it'll have been something simple like the DV meaning they don't have to touch the map and you'll be fine and dandy to the tune of 240 horses... I'm sure you won't care if Fred Flintstone had mapped the car once you've had that power induced smile forced onto your face :happy2:
Keep us posted!
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have got the car booked into VW eastbourne (where my mum lives) i use a good VW in surrey who so far have been great!
only problem with them is that they cant see the car till Tuesday next week so am going to try the eastbourne VW.....
what do you think i should say to them - ideally i dont want them to mess with the map and hope its just an easy fix
im guessing that if it is a boost leak or a faulty MAF then this should be easily diagnosed and fixed?
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Note that VW dealers dont call the diverter valve by the same name. Someone will come along soon to confirm the name that they know it by... I've forgotten lol!
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hi duncan
sorry to hear about your issues, sorted soon i hope.
I remember about a year or more ago, i was on the look out for a candy more door and spotted one for sale that had the ''WALD'' badge on the hatch, i asked over the phone with them what it was but they couldnt tell me much. it was also an import so i didnt move on it, it was also a bit out of my price range.
i then went for a test drive of a demo car (std) at corkhills liverpool, and asked about one id seen with WALD badge, he had heard of this mod and said the same as you being a conversion done at factory.
keep us info'd on this
billy
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duncan , Id stick with the VW dealer you know are mod friendly.
I can understand you wanting to keep the remap too.
The car stores any engine fault codes when issues occur which the dealer look at first, and you should have plenty !
Im surprised you dont have a yellow engine light up on the dash tbh
Good luck and yes itll soon be fixed :happy2:
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duncan , Id stick with the VW dealer you know are mod friendly.
I can understand you wanting to keep the remap too.
The car stores any engine fault codes when issues occur which the dealer look at first, and you should have plenty !
Im surprised you dont have a yellow engine light up on the dash tbh
Good luck and yes itll soon be fixed :happy2:
yea, to be honest when speaking to my local VW dealer they were also supprised that there were no warning lights on the dash. im guessing when people have had diverter valves go they probably did have warning lights. is a bit of a worry...
another thing is that i havnt noticed a big power drop and when the car went in to get the coil packs replaced a week ago there were no warnings on the diagnostic tests that they did.
i feel like this is a problem with the car from when i bought it otherwise im sure i would have noticed a drop of nearly 60bhp and around 60lb/ft of torque.
this leads me to belive that it might not be the easy fix and will not be supprised at all when the garage phone me up tomorrow afternoon and say they cant find a fault...
but one thing is for sure they need to sort out why its running so rich becuase my guess is that both the problems must be link. a drop in power and the car running rich cant be a coincedence can it?
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UPDATE FROM VW:
spoke to eastbourne VW who were helpful -
they said that after running a diagnostic they cant seem to find any faults, they also were scratching their heads about this wald conversion which to be honest so am I
i asked them if they could really try and find a boost leak if not then the only way to find out why its running rich is to do a full ECU flash back to standard then start looking again..
annoying really since ill now have to fork out for a new remap at some point but then at least i know its done propperly.
will probably go to JKM when i have some spare cash....
fingers crossed its a simple boost leak and that will return the car to 240bhp but somehow i doubt it.
they also said that they did tests on the mass air filter and that wasnt throwing up anything strange..
will update again once VW have got back to me
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I wonder if its something simple like the map is corrupted??
If the dealer ran a diagnostics and found no mechanical reason why the car is mis-peforming, then maybe the ECU is confused/map is corrupt!
It will be interesting to hear what others who are more experienced in this field think of this when they see this topic :smiley:
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hey duncan, i havnt read the whole thred so people probably already said the DV.
mine ran 183bhp on my first ever session after a re-map. it was just split hoses on my DV. if the cars down on power, blame the dv, 99% of the time thats the case!
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if it's not DV bin the map?
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if it's not DV bin the map?
thats the plan, but if it was the DV wouldnt that be throwing up engine managment lights and also showing up errors when VW run a diagnostic?
they said that there were no faults when running the diagnostic..
also i do want them to check if it is the DV what could it also be know as?
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tbh the dealer should do more than just check fault codes , but also log boost pressure etc if theres a suspected issue.
However Im not surprised they havent.
From here on in I could see your choices as
1. Keep WALD and try and find a local VAGCOM owner who knows what they are doing to log some useful info , boost etc
2. Reflash ECU to std , although im not sure this is gonna help if the VW dealer isnt willing to delve deeper as youre problem may persist after that and then what they gonna do?
3. Just bite the bullet, phone JKM (prebook) take a day off and say they have a day to fix. (how far is it for you?)
Can you get your AF logs + dyno graph up so we can see its profile?
1 or 3 at this stage :happy2:
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tbh, if this happend to me id jack the car up, take the DV off, look at it, take it apart, put it back on and notice the difference. if there is no difference then get a diagnostices session at a trusty garage. where abouts are you located?
you can take the dv off in 20 mins. :smiley:
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Is Croydon nearer to you than JKM Duncan?
Tuningwerkes are also very good with this sort of thing.
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am located in either east sussex or surrey.
after speaking to the garage earlier they did say they would investigate the posiblity of a boost leak more thoroughly.....
am waiting to hear back from them - otherwise will save up for JKM..
am really hoping they just find a boost leak but something tells me they wont....
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how does the car sound when pressing on?
can you hear a wOOOOOOOSH?
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nope - nothing obvious - i can hear a dump valve kind of sound when i change gear and if im in 6th going slowly push right down then when i release i can hear that sound again
nothing obvious though.
just spoken to VW and they cant find any boost leaks and have tested the MAF and nothing faulty there.
they want to put the ECU back to a stock map which means updating the software, but they cant do this as my ecu is on the latest version. they were talking about flashing the ECU back to standard but this can corrupt the ECU which means that i would be liable to pay for a new one...
i think this is shocking - i bought the car from VW who said this WALD conversion was covered under warranty, the car is performing worse than a stock gti.
have spoken to the VW garage i bought the car from who say that they dont want to pay for a new ECU since the diagnostic shows that there is nothing wrong with the car. when i tell them its only running 185bhp and the rolling road showed that it was running very rich they just say the rolling road could be wrong..
am going in circles here.. if i dont get the garage i bought the car from to pay for a new ECU what should i do???
HELLLLPPP!!! :sad:
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And your definitely sure that they checked the DV? In my experience, dealers don't seem to understand what this is, and as i said in an earlier post they call it something different to a 'diverter valve'. I really hope someone can tell you what their name for it is, because I can't remember for the life of me. There have been several reports on this and another golf forum where people have wanted dealers to check their DV for failure (obviously because its a known issue), and the dealer doesn't know what that person is talking about. Hence me asking if your sure they checked it :smiley:
If they have, then just ignore what I've written hahaha!
Really hope you get this sorted Duncan...
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if you took it to a different rolling road and achieved the same results it would squash the garages idea of the rolling road at fault?
Are you aware of your customer rights?
off topic a bit here but bare with me....
5 years ago i bought a brand new landrover discovery £35.5K
drove it home no worries, day two and it cut out as i entered a roundabout..no power, no engine, no electrics no nothing. got it recovered to landy who tested it and said there was nothing wrong with it. Day 4 had the kids in the car, doing 60mph on a dual road it did it again and considering most things on this car were electrical hydrolically operated i was lucky not to crash. car recovered to landy who again claimed to find nothing and handed it back
i then told them i would reject the car and demand a full refund which i was more than entitled to with 21 days of any car purchase, this naturally worried them so they retested the car. because there was a fault to be found the cost lay with the dealership franchise and not Landrover which is why the car wasn't getting the proper attention as they probably didn't want the bill to find the ghost.
i kid you not, i went to the landrover dealership 1st thing in the morning and sat on the nice leather sofa in the middle of the showroom with my mp3 player and a book and told them i wasn't moving till it was sorted or i was refunded.
i got a range rover to play in, they got me out of the showroom and the landrover got treated to many new parts.
you just have to be firm. your garage might have the nicest dealers on the planet but it's you that has to own the car not them. if anything the sales brochure for the car will state power and performance figures and if your car is proven to be way under these then there's a claim of fraudulent representation of goods right there, if they have sold you a car with software they cant work with it's their issue not yours and it should be dealt with as such.
personally i would say try not to let it get that messy unless you have to, but also in the same breath i would say that the garage needs to take more responsibility for what they have sold you and you need to inform them of such
being nice will only get you so far sometimes mate :happy2:
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if you took it to a different rolling road and achieved the same results it would squash the garages idea of the rolling road at fault?
Great point! :happy2:
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Joe's wasn't throwing codes when the DV went, was it? It needs a good dose of looking at and some VCDS logging, but my money is on this being at fault.
Dealers don't have any diagnostic skills any more, they just swap the parts the computer tells them too... and if it isn't throwing codes, then they're stumped.
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y dont the dealer take the car out with vag com and do some logs to see if the car is running ok
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have just spoken to the garage i bought the car from again who are going to speak to my local VW garage.
the head of the garage i bought the car from seemed pretty reasonable to be honest and said they werent going to leave me out in the cold.
i said the garage that has my car at the moment if they had 100% checked for boost leaks. i was told definitley yes but you still never know and to be honest it does all seem to point to a possible boost leak, but what more can i do?
am considering taking it to JKM in porstmouth to have it mapped there so they can 100% see if there are any leaks or if it is just a corrupted WALD map.,
problem is i dont really want to do this since its going to cost me a minimum of £500, so will have to wait and see what the garages say to each other...
i wish i could just see if it had a leak myself but am rubbish when it comes to that sort of thing, have no tools and have no doubt i would do the car more harm than good and possibly void my warranty...
if anyone has had boost leaks that have not been diagnosed by the ECU please let me know so i can pass this on to the garage
Cheers
Duncan
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ive had issues with my DV on 3 ocasions and not once have any faults been thrown up!!!
if you lived closer id have a check for you, its seriously 20 min job but wouldnt suggest it if you dont know what your doing as the DV can be tricky on the KO3 gti.
if i were you id take it to JKM and ask them to do a 1 hour diagnostices session, then if any faults are found with the DV id bill your VW dealer, try and get it in writing that they have checked the DV. :smiley:
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also are you running stock DV?
and i agree with chris with the name thing, last time i asked VW to look at mine they didnt have a clue what i was talking about :rolleye:
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duncan,
in all probability
1. A corrupt WALD map is unlikely
2. Your issues are not map related its something else.
The diverter valve is called Turbocharger Recirculating Valve N249
just send them the link below to the common issues as it could be PCV or other issues too
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24952 (http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24952)
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duncan,
in all probability
1. A corrupt WALD map is unlikely
2. Your issues are not map related its something else.
The diverter valve is called Turbocharger Recirculating Valve N249
just send them the link below to the common issues as it could be PCV or other issues too
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24952 (http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24952)
WOW, cheers for the link johnO, just bookmarked it, very helpful. :happy2:
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duncan,
in all probability
1. A corrupt WALD map is unlikely
2. Your issues are not map related its something else.
The diverter valve is called Turbocharger Recirculating Valve N249
just send them the link below to the common issues as it could be PCV or other issues too
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24952 (http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24952)
:happy2:
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Oh and to confirm.... The WALD Map is a very real thing :rolleye:
We were offered it at our dealership and ITS NOT DONE BY THE DEALERSHIP.
Its done by an external tuning company (Steves Auto Clinic in our case) but VW will honour the warranty as the map is A) Not hardcore and B) is done "by VW".
Check the DV and maybe get the turbo sent into JKM like Robin had his done.
I hope you sort this out. I would be highly agitated.
Mike
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I'm not so sure that he needs to get his turbo sent into JKM just yet Mike....! :chicken:
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I'm not so sure that he needs to get his turbo sent into JKM just yet Mike....! :chicken:
+1, theres alot more things to check first :signLOL:
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Well you never know... Sh*t happens... If nothing is wrong then yes...The turbo has to go in as he is basically running stock 2.0 FSI power figures.... And the Turbo is what makes the magic in a GTi.
I stand to be corrected but lets be honest. I think Duncan should dump the dealers and go straight to JKM. I was at our VW Dealer (Voted best in our province) this morning extending our GTIs warranty and asked the salesman about the new GTI and he knew jack. Then asked the service Technician about this and he couldnt even tell me where to start. Didnt know what a DV Valve was. Didnt even know how much extra power the WALD conversion gave the car and yet he was telling owners to get it done :scared:
Im sure VW will solve the problem but its obviously stressing Duncan out. Maybe he should pop into JKM.
Mike
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I agree there is a lot more to check first but... and its a big BUT.
What im suggesting is that he sends the car to JKM and the dealer pay for it. JKM have a lot more experience with this and judging from what has been said in the last 4 pages his VW dealership although helpful (like mine) dont really know how to diagnose the problem properly.
Mike
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my previous comments stand , about getting it logged or go to JKM............
however I did a quick internet search and theres next to f**k all on WALD conversions ....
but I did find the following from
http://star-motoring.com/news/story.asp?file=/2006/4/24/motorreviews/20060426162855&sec=motorreviews
The Wald GTi I took out was one of two demonstrators equipped with Wald's VW tuning package; the promise is 40 additional ponies strapped on, but the reality is that you can get anything from 20 to 40hp.
The pull from go has a lovely, consistent bite to it. Poke at the accelerator while cruising at the legal speed limit, and it lunges forward at a startling rate.
Plenty fast she is, and naturally, fast is as fast does. It burns fuel fast, too - RM150 worth of gas in three days – but the pleasure derived was worth every Ringgit exhausted. The stock GTi is a sipper in comparison; at least that's what I found, driving a stock unit a few weeks later.
mmmmmmm , this does not bode well for the quality of the remap :surprised:
Going to JKM is looking more and more worth your while , A) to diganose an issue and keep WALD or B) they remap you to a diff tuner with at least 40bhp + better mpg....
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Yup... Thats the one :rolleye:
And yes.... Its cr@p and thats why we dont have it. So it seems:
1. Boost leak still not checked.
2. Corrupt map? Duncan said the car was running rich right?
Im thinking that Dunc. should forget about the map. Let VW to reflash it and if that does not help then send it to JKM.
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Thanks for all the help and advice guys.
have had lengthy conversations with the VW garage where my car is and the garage i bought it from.
firstly the garage that its been in all day said they just couldnt find a fault.... annoying really as im sure it is a boost leak but still could be a sh*t map..
spoke to the VW garage i bought the car from: they were actually pretty good and said that they would speak to the garage where my car was all day, they came to the conclusion that a new ECU would not really help things, they did offer me my money back on the car if i wanted it (which to be honest i dont, i think i got a really good deal considering its a 56 plate and has only done 15k miles, 1 previous female owner and has loads of extra's). i didnt really push the forking out for a new ECU becuase im not convinced that this would really fix anything.
spoke to JKM in portsmouth - they also thought it was a boost leak and am trying to get down to see them soon to run a 1 hour diagnostic test followed by a REVO remap so i can well and truley get rid of this piece of sh*t WALD map!!
are there any other good tuning companies in the south? cant get into JKM till monday / tuesday and would like to get this sorted soon as really.
will probably do some research on what remap to go for and whether there can be any problems when claiming on the VW warranty.
e.g. when driving my car in 6th gear at about 70, it certainly doestn race to 100mph - not sure if it does on a remapped one since i havnt driven one, only gti ive ever driven is my one.
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Tuningwerkes in South Croydon are excellent, as are Mega4 in Woking.
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Is Croydon nearer to you than JKM Duncan?
Tuningwerkes are also very good with this sort of thing.
have just booked the car in with tuningwerkes in croydon.
having the pcv replaced and the DV replaced for the new revision. am also getting an APR trial map put on the car to see if i notice a difference. if all goes well will get a stage 1 APR map put on the car the same day
am i doing the right thing here?
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As far as taking it to a specialist is concerned yes.
But let them do some tests on the car first... Dont just go buy a bunch of parts hoping for the best....
But Im sure you have thought about that :happy2:
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Is Croydon nearer to you than JKM Duncan?
Tuningwerkes are also very good with this sort of thing.
have just booked the car in with tuningwerkes in croydon.
having the pcv replaced and the DV replaced for the new revision. am also getting an APR trial map put on the car to see if i notice a difference. if all goes well will get a stage 1 APR map put on the car the same day
am i doing the right thing here?
You spoke to Reuben yes? He is a good chap, and he knows so much about the 2.0TFSI engine. If its just a simple fix, i.e. the DV / PCV then he'll just do that, and hopefully the car will be back up to operating around the 240hp mark! If not, then sure APR is a very well recognised tuner and you can't really go wrong at all with them!
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As far as taking it to a specialist is concerned yes.
But let them do some tests on the car first... Dont just go buy a bunch of parts hoping for the best....
But Im sure you have thought about that :happy2:
to be honest i thought about this and did some research and is most likely a faulty DV or PCV that is causing the problem,
since VW have come out with a revision for the DV i thought best to get it replaced anyway as the labour to look at it is the same as the cost of the part. VW i doubt will fit it under warranty as they dont see a fault with it and wont take it out too inspect. as for PCV the part is cheap and the labour is thrown in so dont mind doing that to be honest.
am hoping that will cure the problem and the car will be back on power, then ill get them to put the APR stage one map on which will get rid of the WALD forever which will be great!!
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worth noting that APR have excellent customer support and free reloads should the dealership ever wipe your map, i say free...it depends on the garage installing wether they charge for time. I plan to take the APR route too with mine
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will be going to see tuningwekes on monday to get the new bits fitted then might take their trial map for a spin and see how i get on.
really crossing my fingers that its the DV otherwise its going to be really annoying spending money on labour and parts while the car is warranty.
i just dont trust VW to find the problem and would rather get the problem sorted with a tuning company - might have to pay for it but peace of mind knowing that its going to be working propperly
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VW deal with day in day out cars, the trip to a tuner is exactly what you need
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crikey you dont hang about duncan do you :happy2:
sounds like youll be sorted soon, just take it calmly. Your map still may be fine, but imho APR or REVO would give you far more.
Let us know how you get on :driver:
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crikey you dont hang about duncan do you :happy2:
sounds like youll be sorted soon, just take it calmly. Your map still may be fine, but imho APR or REVO would give you far more.
Let us know how you get on :driver:
to be honest i hate waiting around for stuff like this to get sorted, like to have a plan of action!!
need to get rid of this sh*t WALD remap - sounds like even when my car is not leaking boost (which i hope it is through the DV) its still not a great map
having the car propperly checked over with a decent map should give me full peace of mind and the knowlege that if my car isnt running right its definitley not some unknown map with no comeback thats causing it!!
thanks again everyone for the help and advice :drinking:
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keep us in the loop though, i'm interested to see what they find via diagnostics vs manually inspecting
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im betting they find a fault with the dv, then call your dealer and explain how incompitant they are!! :happy2:
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i would check the dv mate as i had same type of problem 260bhp :confused: it was dv and now pulling hard :driver: :evilgrin:
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is the new DV i think the part number now ends in G alot better than the one that was put on my car when produced 3 years ago?
just thinking if it is still worth replacing my current DV with a new one even if it isnt defective?
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The latest DV is better than one made 3 years ago.
As for changing it if not faulty, it's your money but you won't see much difference.
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id change, the older ones are prone to splitting.
or upgrade to the forge DV. :smiley:
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want to stay under VW warranty who may not cover if i get a non VW part - otherwise would have gone for the FORGE as the price difference isnt that great.
do you notice performance benefits between the forge and the VW standard part
as for replacing it if its not broken, well i had to order the parts early otherwise it wouldnt get sorted for another week and labour to check it is the same as labour to fit it so thought might as well just order the part and get it replaced anyway since a remap is on the cards once the boost leak is found
i really hope it is a boost leak otherwise who knows what it could be.
also getting the PCV replaced - dont know if that has a problem or not but again labour is free and the part is very cheap so dont mind doing it really.....
if it is the PCV, Air mass filter or DV what else could be leading to the car running rich and a lack of power? (apart from a corrupted WALD map)
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after that id probs have them have a quick look at the exhaust (only takes 10 mins) after that and the map im not really sure,
im sure itl be up to full power after monday though :happy2:
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after that id probs have them have a quick look at the exhaust (only takes 10 mins) after that and the map im not really sure,
im sure itl be up to full power after monday though :happy2:
I hope your right, am budgeting £600 for the remap and the fixes, praying that it doesnt cost more otherwise i wont be able to afford the remap.....
and reading up about APR the maps sound great, with a load of handy features!
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after that id probs have them have a quick look at the exhaust (only takes 10 mins) after that and the map im not really sure,
im sure itl be up to full power after monday though :happy2:
I hope your right, am budgeting £600 for the remap and the fixes, praying that it doesnt cost more otherwise i wont be able to afford the remap.....
and reading up about APR the maps sound great, with a load of handy features!
Mines 56reg APR1, you need cruise for the other features, (you got cruise) awesome are offering it for this month only £165 all in
its also had a service at stealers with it. the guy did ask before carring any work out, so as not to delete it.
anything else you fit i wouldnt worry, not long left on waranty.
wait till you fell that push back in your seat, then youll know what youve missed
billy
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after that id probs have them have a quick look at the exhaust (only takes 10 mins) after that and the map im not really sure,
im sure itl be up to full power after monday though :happy2:
I hope your right, am budgeting £600 for the remap and the fixes, praying that it doesnt cost more otherwise i wont be able to afford the remap.....
and reading up about APR the maps sound great, with a load of handy features!
ive got cruise so thats cool!
so Awesome are doing a stage one APR remap for £165???
have been quoted £450 a tuners in croydon which seemed ok since revo charge the same..
well worth the drive up to awesome if thats the case!
Mines 56reg APR1, you need cruise for the other features, (you got cruise) awesome are offering it for this month only £165 all in
its also had a service at stealers with it. the guy did ask before carring any work out, so as not to delete it.
anything else you fit i wouldnt worry, not long left on waranty.
wait till you fell that push back in your seat, then youll know what youve missed
billy
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^^ I think Billyboy means 165 about the fitting cruise control :smiley:
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^^ I think Billyboy means 165 about the fitting cruise control :smiley:
is that not still expensive? :confused:
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£165 for OE fitment by a company is still good.
I think its £150 from a VW dealer
Or way less if you buy the stalk yourself and get a knowledgeable VAGCOm person to code it (vrstu)
duncan, I would also be mentioning that apr us have a sale on just now and try and knock some ££ of the remap :happy2:
see http://www.goapr.com/VW/news/#03092009
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yep, the tuning company im going to are knocking £50 off the price of the remap (that is if i get the remap - depends if they find why my car is loosing power)
fingers crossed for monday!!
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my stealers are £120 fitted for cruise control, way less than awesome
unless theirs is gold plated?
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my stealers are £120 fitted for cruise control, way less than awesome
unless theirs is gold plated?
oooops dont know why i thought it was for the remap not the cruise.....
anyway mine has cruise so will be good to have the extra functions!!
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Yet another example of the 'Awesome tax' ........................ :fighting:
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Yet another example of the 'Awesome tax' ........................ :fighting:
To be fair, £150 for retro fitting CC at the dealers was the going rate last year. Maybe VC goot a special deal.
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that's thier rate fella, got it installed on my .:R and on the EOS
will fluctuate slightly from dealer to dealer maybe?
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Mine was also done for £120 in February 2008.
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£99 at my dealer
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if you want a brilliant remapp with out spending loads of £££££££££££ , custom code is the way to go ! you cant change it , mess around with settings or play with it through your cc but tbh if you dont really fully understand what your messing with should you be doing it anyway ??? i ve had custom code maps on my last 4 vag cars and never had any problems what so ever and imo the results are amazing :happy2:
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if you want a brilliant remapp with out spending loads of £££££££££££ , custom code is the way to go ! you cant change it , mess around with settings or play with it through your cc but tbh if you dont really fully understand what your messing with should you be doing it anyway ??? i ve had custom code maps on my last 4 vag cars and never had any problems what so ever and imo the results are amazing :happy2:
SNAP!! Custom Code FTW :happy2:
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duncan,
since no one has asked in the 6 pages of this thread, what fuel are you using in your car?
The car was remapped in Germany, and they have a plentiful supply of SUL. So the remap may well be remapped for 98+ octane fuel.
Many moons ago my ibiza cupra had a Oettinger remap (VW Germany / UK approved) but you had to run it on SUL and sometimes with booster (98 octane level wasn't readily available back then).
but like some have said, i've never heard of this WALD tuning company in VAG circles!
have fun with the APR remap in any case.
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octane level wouldn't cause that level of missing horses
the APR/REVO map being switchable will allow the choice of running on different octanes - such as 91/93/99 and a valet mode
the custom code wont allow this, its mere a generic map loaded to the car, often not in real time but as an over right
my personal experience of Custom Code, on the mrs's EOS it unlocked almost 50 horses and 50 torques, but not the smoothest power curves in the world - this map was done in real time as it was one of the first to be done by them. however still happy with the map for what she requires from the car
Also had it on my MK4 .:R32, drove 300 miles to gti international with no worries, had the car mapped at the event, drove it home with flat spots and hesitation at 3.5k rpm. CC knew this problem exisited and i either had to live with it or wipe it.
i think CC is fine for some cars but hiccups on others and doesn't really give you much to play with for your money. This is a common discussion on alot of forums regarding CC
A little extra cash gets you tried tested secure APR or REVO maps, with multi level control and customer support.
"you pays ya money ya takes ya chances" is not how i prefer to do things, you get what you pay for however does apply
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octane level wouldn't cause that level of missing horses
the APR/REVO map being switchable will allow the choice of running on different octanes - such as 91/93/99 and a valet mode
the custom code wont allow this, its mere a generic map loaded to the car, often not in real time but as an over right
my personal experience of Custom Code, on the mrs's EOS it unlocked almost 50 horses and 50 torques, but not the smoothest power curves in the world - this map was done in real time as it was one of the first to be done by them. however still happy with the map for what she requires from the car
Also had it on my MK4 .:R32, drove 300 miles to gti international with no worries, had the car mapped at the event, drove it home with flat spots and hesitation at 3.5k rpm. CC knew this problem exisited and i either had to live with it or wipe it.
i think CC is fine for some cars but hiccups on others and doesn't really give you much to play with for your money. This is a common discussion on alot of forums regarding CC
A little extra cash gets you tried tested secure APR or REVO maps, with multi level control and customer support.
"you pays ya money ya takes ya chances" is not how i prefer to do things, you get what you pay for however does apply
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his car doesn't have Custom Code. it has an unknown remap called "WALD". to be honest doing some digging on google, it seems WALD was a GTI version that was aimed for the Far Eastern markets!!!
so i doubt it has the ability to change maps like APR / Revo.
but if you remap a car for 99 octane fuel, and you put 95 octane fuel in it, would u not expect it to produce less power, cos i would!!!
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his car doesn't have Custom Code. it has an unknown remap called "WALD". to be honest doing some digging on google, it seems WALD was a GTI version that was aimed for the Far Eastern markets!!!
so i doubt it has the ability to change maps like APR / Revo.
but if you remap a car for 99 octane fuel, and you put 95 octane fuel in it, would u not expect it to produce less power, cos i would!!!
yeah i know he's got the WALD dude :happy2: i was merely saying that although Custom Code is an option (it was mentioned) i didn't think it would produce the level of expectation he is hoping for from something like an APR map
technically running a mapped 99 octane car on a 95 ron fuel should cause a lower level of power but not always the case, in extreme cases though its never really more than a handful or bhp maybe 5, the real difference rears its head in the form of throttle responce and power distribution throughout the power band, but even then not that noticable
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Wald is very well known and South Africa sure is not Western :scared:
And the octane of the fuel can have adverse effects on the vehicle especially if it is mapped to utilize the fuel in a certain way for a certain RON rating.
An example:
Im detailing a gentlemans Porsche 996 Turbo in a few weeks... His car runs at 480KW. Thats a sh*t load of power.
Now Im the manager for Liqui Moly in the Western Cape here and I sold him a box of Octane Booster. What the product does is boost the RON rating by 4. Thats a 99 Ron rating.
Last night he phoned me and said he is so chuffed with the product because of the difference it makes. His car stopped lean surging, the acceration was smoother and the car had less of a tappidy engine sound. I asked him what map he had and it was a APR Porsche Map (Done by Porsche) and when we called Porsche before supplying the product we were told that the map will only be truly effective with the correct RON and then of course oil in both the transmission (Tiptronic) and correct operating temperatures.
Now it may not be "that many" horsies but on this particular Porsche we are looking at possibly an extra 30kw. Thats a WALD remap on its own! So much so that we have sent these octane boosters to Mace motorsport to test in the racing cars on a rolling road.
Think about. What you put in you get out. It wont be a huge difference on a lil MK5 GTi but its something. Perhaps the car needs a clean remap. A engine flush (With injection and valve flush too) and some clean oil?
Mike
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Totally agree ^^^
when we start talking about thouroughbred engines octanes come right into play. the porsche was decigned to have been run on a high octane from the outset so running a less fuel will mean they will also be subjecting the engine to inferior detergents and inadequate lubrication, re-enforce this with a non factory standard map and you can watch the horses fall away
on the gti however the car comes out of the factory ready to accept whatever you put into the car pretty much, which is what makes the stock ecu so generic, bring a map into play and you can tailor the ecu and its parameters to enhance a higher octane and release the bhp
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Fully agreed VC.
Our GTI runs crap on Shell here. Yet runs like a monster on Caltex.
We know this because we have done oil analysis on the different brands in Cape Town and although I cant post info (its illegal) I can tell you that some fuel brands are big liars. Some of the Ron is well below standard and that why our Porsche, our GTI and my dads superbikes and tourer run on octane booster.
Also...
The injectors on a GTI according to a VW specialist I know (Who buys our products for this exact reason) is a very weak spot as far as contaminants, soot and build up is concerned. Im going to recommend the following:
1. Injector Cleaner by Liqui Moly. Run in the car for about 400km... Maybe more if you want.
2. Valve Cleaner by Liqui Moly. Also. Run for about 400km.
3. Engine flush. After using the other products (they can be mixed) run the engine flush at operating temp for ten minutes idling and then drain the oil.
4. Replace with a Liqui Moly FULLY SYNTHETIC oil (If you want the spec I can look it up .Sure its a 5w40 but dont quote me) for added Lubricity and protection.
Now Liqui Moly. Their products are TUV approved and are approved by VW. I can provide Data Sheets.
Ironically Porsche told us our 911 needed new injectors as the car lags (Very very slightly) and that this was common and everyone did it. My dad said wait. Chucked the products above in. Changed the oil (but used Mobil 1) and problems solved.
If you want the product codes so you can buy those products drop me a PM and I will supply them.
All Im trying to say is that there is a lot of small things that contribute to one big thing.
Mike
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Can you find out the history of the car Duncan? Give the previous owner a call. Try find out her/his driving manners and what products were used in the vehicle. Also What age is the car (Please dont give me a plate. A year rather) and how many KM?
Mike
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I will call up a few specialists here and consult our racing teams head technician and see if he has any suggesting and refer him to this thread.
Mike
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out of interest why fully synthetic and not semi?
also, do you not have the choice at the pump then when it comes to octane? within 5 miles of my house i can find the full range right up to 100+ in the UK
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Hello VC
The answer is simple. Protection.
Now let me share a small secret... Fully Synthetic and semi.... They are two very different things.
Semi Synthetic: 10 to 30% synthetic
When formulating the oil they use a certain process to refine the oil (All oils start as crude etc. Its the additives and combination of Hydro carbons that result in a type of oil being different to another). Now semi synthetic pretty much means that they went half way. YET! The oil companies charge you the same price for a semi as they do for a fully. Major rip off for less protection.
Fully Synthetic: 100% Synthetic
Here you are getting the ultimate protection. You get increased service life by up to 30 000km because Synthetic oils last much longer and its the same price (sometimes a little more expensive) than a semi. I would never recommend a semi.
If you are in any doubt of a oil. Check the API rating. It should be a SM spec. This is the highest spec available.
Mike
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Also...
Use a fully synthetic 5w40 oil for the GTi (Not sure on the .:R but can find out for you).
For even better protection use a 0w40. Most damage in an engine occurs during start up and a 0w40 allows optimum protection (Takes about 20 seconds to circulate throughout the engine) whereas a 5w40 or 10w40 can take up to 20-30 seconds.
According to our experience using a synthetic oil with its added lubricity (Esp if 0w40) can add up to 5 or 6HP to a car.
Hence why I want to know what Duncans car has had in it. How its been driven so I can look at our range (Which is locally available where you guys are) and try solve the small problems. Which as we know. Cause the big problems.
Mike
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I thought that VW would instantly dismiss any warranty claim, engine related if any 3rd party oil's are used in the engine?
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I thought that VW would instantly dismiss any warranty claim, engine related if any 3rd party oil's are used in the engine?
dude unless vw have started making their own oil then its all 3rd party
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I thought that VW would instantly dismiss any warranty claim, engine related if any 3rd party oil's are used in the engine?
Hence why Liqui Moly will gladly supply you with the official VW, BMW, Porsche etc etc etc etc approvals which you can give to your dealer when you ask them to do an oil change at a service. That way VW are happy to use a 3rd Party oil due to the TUV approvals and approvals from VW.
Just show the approvals and give them the oil you want to use. VW will gladly use the oil and allow you to keep the warranty.
For your own piece of mind. Ask your dealer but afaik this is the general process in Germany where Liqui Moly is produced.
Besides that VW dont produce their own products. Much like the Liqui Moly approvals VW test oils and approve them. Commonly VW will use Quartz 9000 in the GTI as it is cheap and easy to get hold of.
Mike
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as long as VW approved oil is used (VW 502/505/507 etc) then warranty is not affected.
if they find that the oil in the car is of a type that does not conform to their spec then they can and will throw out a warranty claim on the engine.
plenty of oil types out there tho with VW approval.
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I thought that VW would instantly dismiss any warranty claim, engine related if any 3rd party oil's are used in the engine?
dude unless vw have started making their own oil then its all 3rd party
I didn't mean it in that sense, The bottle of the stuff I have in the garage is made by 'quantum' which is straight over the counter from VW, which complies with the 504.00 or 505.00 (which ever one of the two it is I'm not sure off the top of my head) standard used in the 2.0TFSI engine. However I'm talking about putting any bottle of miller, lucas etc in the engine because it say 5w30 on the bottle.
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All cleared up, cheers :happy2:
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Correct Snapey!
Never put an oil, additive or cleaner into your VW unless it is approved by VW. Thats why I recommended Liqui Moly because all their products including polishes and waxes are approved by VW. If an oil is not approved for your vehicle the data sheet will tell you.
Listen up guys...
Im going to start another thread as this is 2 pages of off topic. You guys happy with that?
Mike
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i think we're done on the oil thing anyway mike. good input tho.
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as stated earlier in the post - just really hoping its a Boost leak.
am definitley getting the DV fixed with VW's latest revision which is newer than the 'G' version and am also getting the PCV replaced as well with the lastest VW part as mine are nearly 3 years old..
if its not either of those 2 then it going to cost me which is extremley annoying considering the car is still under warranty.
had it into VW for a full day and they couldnt find a fault so what can you do? if they dont find anything on tuesday then is going to be a bit of an issue. there is no way that the car should be only running 185bhp and really low torque compared to a stock GTI.
need to go for a spin in a standard GTI and see the difference
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Sorry
Just read seven pages of this, and no conclusion.
Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what happened!!!
Cheers
Lee
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And me cos I'm goin through same problems at this moment in time. New coil packs new maf no live to maf running lean my engine mange ment is on tho. I'm also very pissed off. I am getin a big woooosh tho as stated earlier. Teed the higher octane. At 1st thought ye there is a difrence bit today thought no there isn't lol. My mechanic said the woooosh is turbo but I'm not convinced although this is my 1 st petrol turbo. Iv only had it a month n really disappointed but love vw.
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Anything :smiley:
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Anything :smiley:
Take it a decent garage and get the MAF sorted out.
That's my advice.
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Did u get yours sorted ?
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Did u get yours sorted ?
I've never had a problem.
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No conclusion to this then?
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My problems still ongoing unfortunatly