MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: maxload on August 20, 2011, 09:19:15 pm
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Forgive me as this has probobly been discused on the forum before. :ashamed:
I want a stage 1 re-map for my edition30.
I'm stuck between Revo & Superchips. Has anyone tried both or can anyone confirm which is the 'better' map. Any help appreciated :mad:
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Best person to answer that is heavyD. Hes had more maps on'his car than services i think :grin:
I think those two maps are aimed at the opposite ends of the spectrum tbh. Revo max power, bluefin less power less stress etc
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I'd prefer revo,
It may just be me being silly :ashamed: but...I don't like the idea of plugging in a handheld set that has a map on it for all VW golf "ed30" or "GTI" from 2006-2008 etc etc doesnt seem right, I'd rather have uploaded on a rolling road and adjustments made whilst under the supervision of a tuner who can say...it's lean or missing rather than me uploading it on my drive and then happy days!
I've never had bluefine but I've only heard good things about it! It's just my opinion and I may be wrong about the way it's uploaded as I've never done it :smiley:
Just my 2p!
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The Bluefin map is indivdual to your car. You have to download your original map and send it to Superchips first, then they send the correct remap to you and you upload it back onto the car.
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One of the tuners posted a deal of £100 off the revo a couple days ago, can't for the life of me find it now though!
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One of the tuners posted a deal of £100 off the revo a couple days ago, can't for the life of me find it now though!
Think it's All REVO dealers, REVO summer sale.
Awesome are definitely doing it. One of the REVO dealers on here posted it too
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The Bluefin map is indivdual to your car. You have to download your original map and send it to Superchips first, then they send the correct remap to you and you upload it back onto the car.
Not sure about that. It may be individual in regards the various 'slight changes' during a model's life, but only by uploading a map, and using the 'test-monitor-Adjust' (Rolling road and live data logging on the road) method can you truly call a map individual and Bespoke.
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The Bluefin map is indivdual to the model of your car (2.0T 200PS, 2.0T 230PS, 140PD etc etc etc). You have to download your original map and send it to Superchips first, then they send the correct remap to you and you upload it back onto the car.
Fixed that for you :happy2:
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The Bluefin map is indivdual to your car. You have to download your original map and send it to Superchips first, then they send the correct remap to you and you upload it back onto the car.
Bluefin is a 1 size fits all option, no datalogging, no real tuning, just a good option for people tnat want something simple but effective. Massively lags behind many other options in both power figures and drivability.
However, if quick and easy interests the buyer over and above accuracy and performance it is a good option.
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Ive had revo, superchips, PDTuning and shark performance remaps on my car.
The superchips was by far the worst map out of the lot. I would never get a superchips map again. Heres a rolling road graph between revo and superchips at the same level of tuning (stage 2+ revo and stage 3 bluefin) the superchips map was the 3rd or 4th tweaked version to give the most power, as you can see, revo is by far a better remap.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2F8d8d8de6-1.jpg&hash=e3add55fec93db69b8a95b0b84cc09f395209e28)
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Thanks for the replys. I was looking hard at a superchips remap mainly cos of the convieniance. After some more carefull reading and the replies here I think it's revo all the way.
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If your after convenience try the shark performance map with their STS handset. Same idea as the bluefin handset, but with a better map. Thats what heavyD is running now.
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That's exactly what everyone said to me 3year ago but I still went for the Superchips. It may only be individual to the MODEL and LESS power but on the Gti that difference isny as substantial as the ED30 and I've been nothing but happy with mine. Drives like normal but with more poke.
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Well i had the bluefin @ stage 1, 2 and 2+ on mine, and when having a run with my car at stage 2+ with every add on, it was still notably slower than the revo and shark performance stage 2 cars which were only on std fuel pump, hence why i changed to shark performance. This is my experience including graphs etc http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9088.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9088.0.html)
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And you didn't have an Edition 30 did you Sy? :confused:
Make your choice either way you will be happy.
If you want out an out power figures go Revo. If you want something quite a bit quicker than stock go Superchips. At the end of the day it's your dollar. :smiley:
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And you didn't have an Edition 30 did you Sy? :confused:
Nope mine was better :innocent:
At the OP, any reason why you've not considered APR or PTorque as well.
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Thanks for the replys. I was looking hard at a superchips remap mainly cos of the convieniance. After some more carefull reading and the replies here I think it's revo all the way.
Bluefin on mine on stage 2, have had stage 1 and was well pleased with it..achieved 285bhp stage 1, and at a guess 300bhp on stage2.
If you want to max the power out, go Revo.
But Big bhp , and especially high torque isnt always the best option for the life of the car...
Too much can take away the driveable of the Ed30 which to be fair is a very good car without needing to go balls out with a high stage map.
Bluefin- less aggressive
Revo- More aggressive..
or in a quarter mile sprint, about 2 tenths on equally staged maps.
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ive had APR and REVO (both are in the reviews section)
I suggest you read them as each remap has its place dependent on your individual circumstances (i list some in the review)
which could help you in choosing a map.
REVO is amazing and can be adjusted using the SPS to make the delivery less aggresive shoukd you want to :happy2:
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Thanks for all the replies :drinking: Going on everything I have read I'm gonna start with a bluefin remap. If it's not to my liking and I fancy something more aggresive then I'll give revo a chance. It sounds as if both maps are good , but maybe in the long run could also go down to personel taste and driving style.
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Or get REVO and the revo select switch, that way you can set it up to your liking.
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Well i've just been looking here -> http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/jkmtfsi.htm
They've got some good deals on. I like the JKM K03 Stage 1.1 package. I'm on holiday week after next so i think i'll get my car booked in.
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Er you have an Edition 30 so K04 not K03.
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You know what I mean :confused:
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REVO REVO REVO! And I have bluefin! Only reason I went through all the stages with SC was because I didn't want to pay any more for revo!
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Never had the Bluefin myself, went for Revo stage 1, last December.
Principally because I wanted to just go to a tuner with a rolling road, have the map fitted and know it was installed right.
Personally did not like the idea of paying for something that is pretty much hands on, preferred to leave it to an expert in case of any issues, was worried of having issues with my install with the Superchips Bluefin option.
Just my view. And of course others will love the downloading of maps etc.
As an aside everyone seems to talk of Revo being aggressive etc.
In my very simple/layman's terms the car (Ed30) is fantastic with a Revo map, it just gets down the road very progressively and is brutally fast compared to a standard state of tune.
As lots on here mention a remap is just the start...of the modding slope. Enjoy the journey.
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Stage 1 ed30 with Shark 320bhp and 330ft-lb. So I wouldn't use Revo or Bluefin
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Stage 1 ed30 with Shark 320bhp and 330ft-lb. So I wouldn't use Revo or Bluefin
What mods have you got on to make 320BHP at stage 1?
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Stage 1 is JUST the map. Exhaust/Intake/fuel pump (clutch) needed for 350/360bhp :evilgrin:
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In that case.... not a chance its 320bhp then mate.
300 absolute max.... 290 realistic.
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Those are the figures for a K04 i.e. S3/ED30/Cupra K1. Around 300bhp-310bhp realistically, but the S3 is 320bhp. Are you running software at the moment?
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Well here is a stage 2+ ED30...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FGallery%2Frollingroaddays%2FGolf%2520GTI%2520RR%2520Day%252003%252010%252009%2FDyno%2520Graphs%2FJYF.gif&hash=3ed49b90a6113bf4c0d2c9083a8c9507b62c3bb3)
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S3s are running 320bhp with Shark software, but I think they quote 300-310bhp as they don't want the front wheels spinning all the time being FWD :grin:
Its fantastic software.
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S3 has a different intercooler than the ED30.
I would be amazed if stage 1 made 320bhp.... I'm sure others will agree with me.
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Ah right. So it will be 300-310bhp then ignore my first post, but the S3 stage 1 is 320bhp deffo.
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It might be on very optimistic rolling road. :wink:
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Ok if you say so :happy2:
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S3 has a different intercooler than the ED30.
I would be amazed if stage 1 made 320bhp.... I'm sure others will agree with me.
Sorry rich.... Your on youre own :signLOL:
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S3 has a different intercooler than the ED30.
I would be amazed if stage 1 made 320bhp.... I'm sure others will agree with me.
Sorry rich.... Your on youre own :signLOL:
LOL..... thanks steve! :fighting: :fighting: :fighting: :fighting: :fighting:
Say steve.... whats your STAGE 2 pumping out? :innocent:
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Say steve.... whats your STAGE 2 pumping out? :innocent:
Brakes? Did someone mention brakes? :driver: :driver: :signLOL:
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Heres my current Shark stage 3 Ko4 remap vs stock map. running apr fuel pump, milltek TBE forge twintake.
I think even the stage 1 S3's will struggle to make 320bhp, unless theyre running on a dastek dyno. My superchips stage 1 with forge twintake made 318bhp on a dastek dyno, stage 3 superchips made 314bhp on a Dynodynamics RR :signLOL:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2Fc5ecc6f1.jpg&hash=d2894e245f04275efbfebf882478206a871a1b0b)
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S3 has a different intercooler than the ED30.
I would be amazed if stage 1 made 320bhp.... I'm sure others will agree with me.
Sorry rich.... Your on youre own :signLOL:
LOL..... thanks steve! :fighting: :fighting: :fighting: :fighting: :fighting:
Say steve.... whats your STAGE 2 pumping out? :innocent:
stage 1 was 286bhp, stage 2 at a guess in the region of 295-300bhp on JKM's DD rollers... but never ran the car yet with a stage 2 map actually loaded.. :ashamed:
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Just to confirm this guys, bluefin and superchips don't offer live RR mapping it's just plug and play whereas Revo offer RR tuning and can point out any faults with the car etc... Also Revo offer higher gains at the expense of more aggressive driving responses from the engine? I'm looking for a stage 1 on my KO3 GTI. Plans were to uprate the DV, new OEM plugs and K&N panel filter too. Just want a bit more poke but still as close to OEM as poss. Are all these bits necessary and should they be fitted before the map I assume to help give maximum gains!?
Also Revo quote £499 for the stage 1 on their site, does the £100 off offer still apply anywhere? :smiley:
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JKM motorsport in portsmouth have a good deal on. Revo stage 1 plus new dv and panel filter for £550+ vat. Im booking mine in next week. They also throw in a miltek cat back non res pipe for a few quid extra. :laugh:
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/jkmtfsi.htm