MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Johnny_tro on August 24, 2011, 11:44:39 pm

Title: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Johnny_tro on August 24, 2011, 11:44:39 pm
Silly question, but what is the difference?

If someone advertises a TDI as a GT TDI - as they are the same engine yes?
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: dodds-gttdi on August 24, 2011, 11:48:05 pm
Possibly the same engine altho if it's a 1.9 then it's VW's slow 105 bhp version. I gues the difference with the 2.0 TDIi and the 2.0 GT TDI is the stiffer lower suspension and a few mod cons in the cabin. Possibly 16" 'Sport' wheels instead of th 15's. No doubt somebody more informed than me will come along and correct me if this ain't true.
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Johnny_tro on August 24, 2011, 11:49:36 pm
This is the thing......how can you tell really, if someone is selling a basic TDI, but marking it up as GT TDI...?
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: 81lly on August 24, 2011, 11:58:52 pm
The GT TDi has a new style GT front where as the pre-facelift has the front like my car or Dodds.
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Johnny_tro on August 25, 2011, 12:03:37 am
What about earlier models round the 04/05....with std front bumpers?
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: 81lly on August 25, 2011, 12:16:03 am
What about earlier models round the 04/05....with std front bumpers?

They were TDi Sport. But people class them as GT aswell just like I do  :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: dodds-gttdi on August 25, 2011, 12:18:35 am
My 2004 TDI is registered with DVLA, and is printed in my V% as a GT TDI.  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: 81lly on August 25, 2011, 12:19:37 am
My 2004 TDI is registered with DVLA, and is printed in my V% as a GT TDI.  :laugh:

Let me take a look at mine then
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Johnny_tro on August 25, 2011, 12:21:37 am
So, there is

TDI
TDI sport
and GT TDI

As you technically saying they are all the same?

How does the insurance (DVLA) decide between std or GT?
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: 81lly on August 25, 2011, 12:24:14 am
Mine is definately a 'Golf Sport TDI'
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Johnny_tro on August 25, 2011, 12:29:44 am
So, what makes a 2,0 tdi a GT?

 :confused:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: vRS_Pagey on August 25, 2011, 07:52:01 am
There is also the GT Sport just to throw a spanner in the works!  :rolleye:

In the later models - 56 plate on, the differences are obvious, GTi front bumper and 17" wheels, if you are looking at this year or newer the GT/GT Sport will all have the FL front, however the GT Sport is apparently not as good spec as the GT (not sure the difference on that though).  There is also the TDi Sport, TDi, and the GT.  Engine wise iirc they all use the BKD 2.0 16v PD140 until the addition of the PD170 and 1.4 TSi units.

Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Mandy on August 25, 2011, 08:44:21 am
So, there is

TDI
TDI sport
and GT TDI

As you technically saying they are all the same?

How does the insurance (DVLA) decide between std or GT?

TDI - this would be the 1.9tdi, 103bhp.
TDI SPORT - again, its the 1.9tdi 103bhp, the 'SPORT" just refers to the trim level eg it comes with alloys, coloured body bumpers etc.(Other trim levels are 'S', 'SE')
GT TDI - this is the 2.0tdi engine, early (non facelift) 2004/05 models are usually 140 version.

 :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Andy on August 25, 2011, 08:47:08 am
Mndy beat me to it---mine is a 2005 gttdi 2.0 140 model...its vw trying to confuss people
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Johnny_tro on August 25, 2011, 10:31:12 am
So, in order for it to be a GT model (early edition) it must be 140bhp?

Main reason, I'm looking at a new one, but there seems to be sooooo many people classing a TDI as a GT model!
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Mandy on August 25, 2011, 10:37:52 am

Main reason, I'm looking at a new one, but there seems to be sooooo many people classing a TDI as a GT model!

What makes you think they're not GT's ?
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Johnny_tro on August 25, 2011, 10:42:50 am
Don't laugh............on the rear it just says TDI
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Mandy on August 25, 2011, 10:48:52 am
Don't laugh............on the rear it just says TDI

Lol. Yeah you're right, the 1.9s just say TDI where as the GT will say 2.0 TDI. But if its a GT then body bumper strips will be colour coded, but then again the TDI Sport would have this too.
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Johnny_tro on August 25, 2011, 10:51:33 am
Best way 'log book' ?

If it say's 2.0 TDI on the rear, fully colour coded, this should be a GT?
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Mandy on August 25, 2011, 11:00:55 am
Best way 'log book' ?

If it say's 2.0 TDI on the rear, fully colour coded, this should be a GT?

Yeah log book should say for sure. I can't remember if my GT said '2.0' on the engine cover...

Also, GTs come standard with fog lights, Sports don't unless if ticked as an option.
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: 81lly on August 25, 2011, 12:22:39 pm
TDI - this would be the 1.9tdi, 103bhp.
TDI SPORT - again, its the 1.9tdi 103bhp, the 'SPORT" just refers to the trim level eg it comes with alloys, coloured body bumpers etc.(Other trim levels are 'S', 'SE')
GT TDI - this is the 2.0tdi engine, early (non facelift) 2004/05 models are usually 140 version.

 :happy2:

Mine is 2.0tdi 140bhp...on the v5 it's a Sport TDI.
How can I add the 'GT' on my v5? lol...It'l look better with the GT  :grin:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: Johnny_tro on August 25, 2011, 12:26:11 pm
VW < Why do they make things soooooo complicated???  :laugh:

Since owning and looking for a new Golf, I have to say it's a mine field......so many versions, specs, editions - and it's the same with retro fits. So many factors to take into account depending on which month and day it was built  :signLOL:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: vRS_Pagey on August 25, 2011, 07:12:19 pm
TDI - this would be the 1.9tdi, 103bhp.
TDI SPORT - again, its the 1.9tdi 103bhp, the 'SPORT" just refers to the trim level eg it comes with alloys, coloured body bumpers etc.(Other trim levels are 'S', 'SE')
GT TDI - this is the 2.0tdi engine, early (non facelift) 2004/05 models are usually 140 version.

 :happy2:

Mine is 2.0tdi 140bhp...on the v5 it's a Sport TDI.
How can I add the 'GT' on my v5? lol...It'l look better with the GT  :grin:


There is a portion of the V5 which you can send to DVLA to amend details, when we received the log book back for swmbo's car it stated it was a 3 door when its definitely got 5!  Filled out the form sent it off, a week later a new V5 arrived which was correct.  :happy2:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: DanBoy on August 25, 2011, 07:16:04 pm
Mine is a TDI Sport and its a 2.0 TDI 140 lol  :grin:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: JulioTDI on August 26, 2011, 11:03:52 am
Mines a GT Sport. I Think you got black headlights, rear tints, heated leather seats and AC as standard? Also 312mm front brakes and GTI suspension but could be wrong. Plus the grill badge says GT with sport under it and not just GT like the earlier GT's. Engine stays the same through out 2.0 140PD.
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: vRS_Pagey on August 26, 2011, 11:44:14 am
Mines a GT Sport. I Think you got black headlights, rear tints, heated leather seats and AC as standard? Also 312mm front brakes and GTI suspension but could be wrong. Plus the grill badge says GT with sport under it and not just GT like the earlier GT's. Engine stays the same through out 2.0 140PD.

When I was searching for a GT I was lead to believe the sport version was an inferior model??  If your right I wish I'd known as it would have saved me money on the lights, tints and 312mm brakes.... :sad1:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: skard on August 26, 2011, 12:22:10 pm
I'm another with a 55 reg 'Golf GT TDI' on the logbook.

I'm sure I once read that it was only marketed as this in the UK, whereas in other European countries it was a 2.0 TDI Sport?
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: JulioTDI on August 26, 2011, 01:05:04 pm
Mines a GT Sport. I Think you got black headlights, rear tints, heated leather seats and AC as standard? Also 312mm front brakes and GTI suspension but could be wrong. Plus the grill badge says GT with sport under it and not just GT like the earlier GT's. Engine stays the same through out 2.0 140PD.

When I was searching for a GT I was lead to believe the sport version was an inferior model??  If your right I wish I'd known as it would have saved me money on the lights, tints and 312mm brakes.... :sad1:
Its not a Sport but a GT Sport MY2008/9. To be honest I'm not entirely sure when all these models were introduced. I was under the impression that the sport was superseded by a GT then a GT with GTI front bumper, 17" wheels then GT Sport in last year(s) of the Mk5 with a few extras listed above. Again this all just my wee brain speculating!  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: vRS_Pagey on August 26, 2011, 03:37:34 pm
Its not a Sport but a GT Sport MY2008/9. To be honest I'm not entirely sure when all these models were introduced. I was under the impression that the sport was superseded by a GT then a GT with GTI front bumper, 17" wheels then GT Sport in last year(s) of the Mk5 with a few extras listed above. Again this all just my wee brain speculating!  :laugh:

Totalling digressing, but how do you find ride comfort with the -30mm springs?  Has it changed much from standard?

Back on topic.... :ashamed:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: JulioTDI on August 26, 2011, 08:02:35 pm
Totalling digressing, but how do you find ride comfort with the -30mm springs?  Has it changed much from standard?

Back on topic.... :ashamed:

Ride is pretty good, not as compliant as stock no matter what anyone says. But the misses doesnt complain like she did in my MINI when i had H&Rs on that! In fact she never utters a word.  :wink:
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: vRS_Pagey on August 26, 2011, 08:47:21 pm
I have -30mm on the vRS and tbh it is quite 'bouncy'.  It seems to be that VAG cars are over sprung and under dampered, saying that the standard ride on the GT is very smooth, imo great handling without compromising comfort.  I am only really looking at the lowering option for visual effect more than anything else.
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: JulioTDI on August 26, 2011, 09:24:42 pm
Would never describe the ride as 'bouncy', harder yes but not bouncy.

Back on topic I found this helpful post, cant verify any of this but its what I believed to be the case.
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/255622/1669826.aspx
Title: Re: 2.0 TDi and GT TDI
Post by: 81lly on August 26, 2011, 09:51:57 pm
Back on topic I found this helpful post, cant verify any of this but its what I believed to be the case.
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/255622/1669826.aspx

That seems to be spot on, nice find  :happy2: