MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: RussZS on August 26, 2011, 08:06:49 pm
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I've had my Edition 30 since April, and whilst I really like it. there's something missing for me, especially on the handling front, when compared to my old cars - Clio R27 and Megane R26!
So it's got me looking at what else is out there, and I really fancy a BM 135i, like this one:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3106068.htm
Does anyone have any views on them please?
I understand you can get them to 400hp pretty easily...?
Russ.
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Mr Danza on here has one, it's ace! :happy2:
Sunglasses Ron (Ben) also has one and went from an ED30 too :happy2:
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i took one out for a drive when i had my gti as i wanted to make the change aswell.... all i can say is what a car! they are awesome!! ide have one anyday!
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I took one out a few months back. Totally fab car, handling and acceleration were sublime. For me though I decided against it as the one I was looking at had the older less efficient engines. I'm sure someone will chip in the actual details of the differences. Also mine had a poverty spec and I decided it was too soon to move my gti on.
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They are the dogs danglies though ... If you don't need lifting and shifting space and don't mind with frequent petrol stops.
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I'm in agreement with you guys! I would defo chop my eddy in for one of thse and of course a little map and downpipe would help it along!
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Check out youtube, there is one keeping up with a lambo!
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I have one, its a brilliant car.
Standard 306hp and 300ft/lb. Stage 1 map = http://www.dyno-tuning.co.uk/gallery/bmw135iTwinTurbo.htm
So a gain of 65hp and 95 ft/lb is available with a really good mapping session. The car has a crappy 'e-brake diff' as standard which brakes the spinning rear wheel. I fitted a Quaife LSD which makes a world of difference. Also fitting a really good set of tyres in favour of the runflats (225 front and 255 rear) and a Remus exhaust gives great handling, confort and grip and livens up that brilliant exhaust note.
Stage 2 includes cattless downpipe and a centre section from the n55 (later engine version as it has no cat in the centre section) then mapping= 410hp and 440 ft/lb
Auto box is very good and very strong. Makes fitting a diff easier as well as cheaper as manuals have a welded diff gear.
Go and drive one and you will want one.
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Don't know anything about the BMW, but you could get a Golf R for that price. :popcornsoda:
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Older n54 engines are a true twin turbo, newer n55 are a small/big turbo single unit. Newer cars are a bit more efficient but its negligible. The 1m uses the older (better) engine.
I see 26-27 average and 30-32 if I try and stay sensible on a run. 14 is lowest I have seen when having fun. My monthly fuel spend is about 10% more than my stg2+ ed30 but its worth it just for the exhaust noise.
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These are a real sleeper! I can see many a 911 owner flying up behind one of these only to get blown away!!! Defo a good next choice!!!
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I've got one, what do you want to know??
I loved my old GTI, but I'm no badge whore - I've had most makes and buy on merit, rather than loyalty. As good as my old GTI was with all the work I put into it, the 135i is a better car in every respect straight out of the box, other than practicality. It seats 4 just and the boot whilst big in volume, is tight in terms of the small letterbox opening you have.
I get 340 miles to 50lts commuting. Not much different to my st2+ DSG GTI to be fair. It rinses through fuel when giving it some, but what 6-pot, twin turbo car doesn't?
Similar power-weight ratio of my old Golf, however my old Golf had coils/ARBs/Alcons/WALK etc etc and despite all that, the 135i was quicker around Rockingham t'other week on nothing more than a set of decent tyres. The handling out of the box is astonishing, however they are appalling on runflats which most will be on - so don't let the test drive fool you.
You need confidence to get the best out of them, the Golf you grab by the scruff of the neck and you can drive it at 10/10ths immediately... the BMW you need to learn, and it rewards accordingly.
Quirks:
'box almost feels like it has straight cut gears and the race-type clutch has to be treated with a bit of care, don't rush it. Heel and toe very much required for fast downchanges, otherwise you'll swing the back out.
Long gearing (LSD sorts this with lower final drive) does 115 in 3rd!
Very linear, so N/A like delivery with flat torque. Can feel slow, really isn't.
215 front tyres too skinny. Apparently downsized to build in safety understeer, up them to 225 and it becomes more neutral again.
Common faults:
HPFP/coilpacks/injectors/valve lifters - all should have been sorted on recall/warranty.
Mods:
Power is obvious, a map alone giving c.370BHP. I'd do this last.
Brakes are already superb, lasted all day on track with no issues. Pads and Fluid are all that's required for serious action.
Handling lots of scope. Because it shares the E90 3-series running gear, pretty much all the M3 kit bolts straight on (which is what they've done with the 1M). Straight off the shelf from BMW, I got the following for around £550:
M3 wishbones. Spherical bearings, lighter, adds 1.5degrees neg camber in addition to knocking out the camber pin on the strut.
M3 ARBs and all associated bushes, clamps etc
I also got spherical bearings for the front tension struts and uprated rear subframe bushes. The steering feel now on the old-skool PAS quick 'rack is soooo nice, feedback is near Porsche like.
Now, aside from a few differences, my underpinnings (well, the important parts) are pretty much the same as the 1M. Only the track width can't be replicated.
An LSD is very expensive around £2k for a manual via the aftermarket like Quaife, the stumbling block swapping to the E90 M3 being the input shaft on the prop, but now the 1M has engineered its way around this, I expect conversions will start soon when people have looked into it fully.
It's a wonderful car, and the closest thing I've driven to an E30 back in the day.
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Sounds very impressive :party:
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I have to say I am also considering one of these as a replacement for the Ed30 eventually.
That car you picked out is pretty well specced Russ, one of the few options is missing though is heated seats if that matters to you!
I've driven the 135, the M3 and the 1M, all fantastic cars but I think as an all rounder and a day to day car it would be the 135.
The other option if you want a bit more space is the 335i. You can pick up a very well specced one and have several £k in change to tune it for the price of the 135!
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335i is a good option but don't have the same feel as the 135i. Feel more like a cruiser than a hatch and don't have the same fun factor.
Not much in it when it comes to weight either, the 135i is a lardy little thing for it's size.
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:signLOL:
Beginning to wish I had bought the one above now.... oh well :sad1:
Was a great price too ...
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As pdt said the 3 series is a bit flabby in the handleing stakes and needs a fair bit of work to sort it ! They are briliant cars though although not an improvement over the golf on the twisties imo
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Bens mapped dual clutch 135i was basically as quick as the stage 1 TTRS up to 100mph when we were fooling around at GTI International. :happy2:
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Yup.
Even my bog stock manual on runflats was whooping most of the field at Inters, the poor kid in the Golf R refused to believe it wasn't mapped.
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:signLOL:
Beginning to wish I had bought the one above now.... oh well :sad1:
Was a great price too ...
You can always buy one but spec is the key with BMWs. Know your spec and know your price and then wait for the right one.
That is how I ended up with a 525D rather than a 325D. I couldn't find the right spec or the right price for a 325D but when I saw the 525 I knew I had to have it. Had a look at a few 123D M Sport Coupe as well but it was just a bit too small for me but they were fun to drive!
Alex
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yeah things that are a mare to retrofit etc, it had the basic sound system, no cruise, no bluetooth, pretty much out of the box car. It was difficult to give up on all my toys (there probably isn't an option apart from recaros that I don't have)...it is going to be difficult to get into something that is a skeleton. :jumping: made that error years ago when I specked up a mazda mx5 from new, read somewhere that the basic one was the way to go to lighten things up etc....then I was forever in envy trying wind windows up and down by hand and always shuddered when I looked at the steel wheels.
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Lovely looking car Tony
Just wished they had a bit more space in the back (for bikes)
Remember my old ED30 316 touring with great fondness. You cant beat rwd in any form!
Matt
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Cheers, it's great fun!
Bikes - Yeah, you'd be talking roof racks or boot mounts, although the rear seats do actually fold - so with some shoving I've had my bike bag in there. But, I've also got an A6 Avant which does everything :signLOL:
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Are they the 18's or 19's on yours please Tony?
It does look great. I was looking at a lesser spec'd 120D Coupe yesterday and it didn't look great tbh - needs the right options I think.
I think white looks nicest, but it's too 'look at meee' for my taste.
Can you get Imola Red?
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18" BBS BMW Motorsport, they didn't come on the car thought I had to find them, as they're quite rare.
Mine has pretty much everything, and I think the options do make a nicer car. Logic 7 & Pro Nav, xenons, red leather etc etc. There's quite a lot of nice stuff in the BMW Performance catalogue too, I've added the carbon rear spoiler and shortshift kit. Quite fancy the alcantara steering wheel II, but £500?.
Most reds tend to be the metallic Sedona, but I think flat Japan red may have also been a option?
BMWP bits - hundreds of them, including remaps that don't affect warranty. You'd spend serious money!!
Spoiler
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Short shift
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Wheel
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Seats
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White is right BTW...
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God, I want one of thes! Had a Z4 before the golf and it was a good car! These must be epic!!!
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Had a play with my mates 335i last night.
Hes running a jb4 tuning box, 50/50 meth, intercooler upgrade,LSD, and full decat exhaust upgrade, from 40mph to whatever number you like they are pretty neck and neck. Claimed bhp is 450. Mines a stage 2 TTRS about 420bhp. That means its as quick as a murcielago (at more modest speeds anyway) :happy2:
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Your making us GTI boys very jealous!!!!!! Stage 2 TTRS yeas bloody please!!!
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i love these cars and my ideal one was a 123d in alpine white with the red boston leather.
personally nothing comes close to these cars for looks and interior if you buy the right spec
and the mpg's are great for such a powerfull little car
my only objection with bmw's is spec! i feel you really have to splash the cash for things which
i think should come standard at the price you pay for a basic models.
there is some crackin 2nd hand ones on the market. just getting one with all the toys.
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There may be a sting in the tail here....I think the new 2012 versions of the 1-series are coming and they look fugly....watch this space.... :sick: :sick: :sick:
No wait,....I have had a look round...they arent that bad, I think I must have been referring to early release shots (I recall a much earlier post that showed new versions and they were horrible)....just googled and they seemed to have saved themselves. Its BACK on my list of top cars....if ONLY they did a 4-wheel drive Bimmer, living in Scotland means that they tend to be seen abandoned at the side of the road from November through to April...... :rolleye:
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I like the new hatch. The monza blue is :drool:
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That's good news!! Means the current ones will be the old shape thus being less expensive and by what your saying the better car!!
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BMW always do the trick of making the ES/SE a bit meh, so you upgrade to the nicer looking M-Sport. Bargains to be had with the old shape soon though, as you say.
Poverty, that sounds pretty epic! An E90 M3 is a fecking quick car, so more power/torque in a sleeper 335i must be amusing to say the least. Where did he get the diff done, Birds?
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BMW always do the trick of making the ES/SE a bit meh, so you upgrade to the nicer looking M-Sport. Bargains to be had with the old shape soon though, as you say.
Poverty, that sounds pretty epic! An E90 M3 is a fecking quick car, so more power/torque in a sleeper 335i must be amusing to say the least. Where did he get the diff done, Birds?
Deffo surprised me!
I think evolve does all his work.
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Mike.. that steering wheel looks awesome. I would have thought that a talented re-trimmer could do yours for a fraction of the cost of the BMW one.
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Think Mike has pretty much covered it all tbh :smiley:
As much as I loved the ED30, this is a totally different car in every respect.. RWD is definitely more fun, although I am far from getting the car near it's limits. As Mike says, you really need to learn how to drive these cars before poking them with a stick. But that is all part of the fun imo..
Mine has the newer single turbo engine and I have averaged, near as makes no difference, 30mpg over the last 10k. That's with a lot of motorway mileage, mixed with wringing it's neck when not cruising. On a run I normally manage anywhere between 34-39mpg (mapped)
BMWP parts are lush, but expect to dig deep into your wallet. I have just settled for the CF spoiler and front grills for now. But can see me adding a few other bits at some point.
But the best bit of the car for me has to be the noise of the thing. You would never believe it still has a stock exhaust. Especially when starting it in the morning.. :drool:
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Oh and Mat loves them too... :wink:
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:sick: :sick: :laugh:
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Mike.. that steering wheel looks awesome. I would have thought that a talented re-trimmer could do yours for a fraction of the cost of the BMW one.
Pete's brother? Yeah, I'd pretty much get it done cost - just need to keep my eyes peeled for a spare wheel.
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How did it go at Rockingham anyway Mike? Did you keep her facing the right way? :laugh: :driver:
My rears will be changed shortly and will be sacking off the RFT's promptly. What are your thoughts on the switch? Is it a lot better? I need to change mine soon, i'm running out of fillings..
What brand and sizes did you end up with too?
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Awesome fun, took me about 2-3 sessions to get to grips with where the limit was and from there on it was sideways-a-go-go! Thankfully kept it tidy and it was faster than the Golf around there too, which surprised me.
I've got Goodyear Asym 2s. 225/40/18 F and 255/35/18 R, came in about £520 with a bit of discount from a mate, but they're not much more retail.
Truck loads of grip. Turn in much better, ride better, control better - I see no downsides. Ran them all day on track too with no problems.
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Awesome fun, took me about 2-3 sessions to get to grips with where the limit was and from there on it was sideways-a-go-go! Thankfully kept it tidy and it was faster than the Golf around there too, which surprised me.
I've got Goodyear Asym 2s. 225/40/18 F and 255/35/18 R, came in about £520 with a bit of discount from a mate, but they're not much more retail.
Truck loads of grip. Turn in much better, ride better, control better - I see no downsides. Ran them all day on track too with no problems.
I've got a mate, who's got a mate, who know's matey's mate, matey, who can get me cheap tyres. So just wandering what to get.. Are PS2's still doing the rounds do you know?
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Mine has pretty much everything, and I think the options do make a nicer car. Logic 7 & Pro Nav, xenons, red leather etc etc. There's quite a lot of nice stuff in the BMW Performance catalogue too, I've added the carbon rear spoiler and shortshift kit. Quite fancy the alcantara steering wheel II, but £500?.
BMWP bits - hundreds of them, including remaps that don't affect warranty. You'd spend serious money!!
Thats where it helps to know a nice man who works for BMW with a 30% discount on BMWP bits :D
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I got 20% off mine as I have a mate who works in service. Spoke to 2 other dealers/retailers who reckon they wouldn't make a bean if they gave me 20% off. 30% is great work if you can get it mate.. :happy2:
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Loads of 225/40/18 PS2s about, but I couldn't find any 255/35s at the time - the reviews of the GY and the niggling of having to find another PS2 if I wrecked one swang it.
Ideally I wanted Pilot Supersports, but sizing is still oddballs only at the moment. I'll pobs have them next.
Theo, I can't think of anything I need, but if that's an open offer - I'll keep it in mind :happy2:
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Loads of 225/40/18 PS2s about, but I couldn't find any 255/35s at the time - the reviews of the GY and the niggling of having to find another PS2 if I wrecked one swang it.
Ideally I wanted Pilot Supersports, but sizing is still oddballs only at the moment. I'll pobs have them next.
Theo, I can't think of anything I need, but if that's an open offer - I'll keep it in mind :happy2:
Good point to be fair. Might just stick with something that's readily available.. I know the TTRS boys rave over the PSS' and from what I read are the replacement for PS2's (IIRC).. Don't think they're cheap mind.. :scared:
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Had my 335i Msport for over a year now, as Ben says, noise still making me grin :happy2: and about 30mpg overall.
Fitted BMWP CF spoiler & splitter and had the calipers/bells painted (rusted straight away).
Poverty, where did your mate get his work done? Was thinking of BMWP Map and Exhaust as they dont effect the warranty. well I lasted a year :signLOL:
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It'll be an N54 at a guess Neil.. Meth is only just hitting the Yank's N55 cars, so doubt it's over here yet.
If you are going for BMW's upgrade, be prepared to shell out best part of £3.5k for about 20bhp... :surprised: :confused:
Taken from BabyBMW...
"Went into BMW Stockport today and finally got round to getting a full quote for the BMWP Tuning Upgrade Kit with BMWP Rear Silencer.
The parts alone came to £3,017 including VAT but without labour. Even the Parts guy was laughing.
Strange that BMW would bother putting a kit which serves no other purpose other than to push people into the arms of independent tuners. But that's where I'm heading now.
JB4 or DMS .... ?"
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If you are going for BMW's upgrade, be prepared to shell out best part of £3.5k for about 20bhp... :surprised: :confused:
:rolleye: Why am I surprised, to cost of the CF brings a tear to a glass eye :rolleye:
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Neil Ive just asked him and Evolve did the majority of work but they have had bits and bobs done at other places.
Its running a jb4 now, before they had a map on the actual ecu itself or something like that but ditched it for the jb4 once they got the meth.
Supersports are the danglies, they are meant to be the same price as the PS2's. A full set for the TT in 255/35/19 set me back 1019.00 fitted. Properly sorted out the understeer tendencies, the car is so much more neutral now.
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So which is the better engine then? N54 or N55? :signLOL:
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So which is the better engine then? N54 or N55? :signLOL:
Forum folklore says the N54 is stronger but can have HPFP problems, N55 is more economical and supposedly been sorted on the HPFP front :happy2:
I'm looking for an N54 version on account that's all i can afford :grin: :grin:
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Mike.. that steering wheel looks awesome. I would have thought that a talented re-trimmer could do yours for a fraction of the cost of the BMW one.
Pete's brother? Yeah, I'd pretty much get it done cost - just need to keep my eyes peeled for a spare wheel.
Exactly who i had in mind... Edge Automotive isn't it? I suppose finding a spare wheel might be a bit tricky.
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Right. So we all agree these cars are great, but what are the absolute must haves in the spec....what are the things that are hard to retrofit, or not economically worthwhile?
right away I am thinking Bluetooth .... Any others ?
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Nav / I-Drive can't be retrofitted like the Golf, but I didn't opt for it due to me being already well over budget and it was another 2k. TBH, i've managed fine without it and the trusty Tom Tom comes out if I am lost. Does finish the dash off nicely though. :sad1:
Leather is another popular option, but the car does come with the same seats in a half leather style material as stock.
For me, the must have was DCT, Xenons and Bluetooth (which in turn upgrades the stereo). Xenons (like the Golf) transform the front end of the car IMO. Plus I could never go back to standard headlights after having them. But like most options on most cars, it comes down to personal preference.. :happy2:
Regarding the N55 vs N54.. They both mod very much the same when mapping and adding things like DPs. But if you are wanting to go bonkers and add Meth etc, then the N54 is the way to go (at the min). N55 is slightly more efficient and does have a slightly better exhaust note. But to be honest, neither of them is IMO 'better' than the other.
If you want DCT (DSG) then you are limited to the N55. The N54 is available with the Steptronic Auto or MT.
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Leather, DCT, Xenons, Bluetooth and Professional Nav are my must haves.
Alex
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this looks good but I cannot live with soft tops....
http://www.bakerbrothers.co.uk/used-cars/bmw-1-series-135i-m-sport-2dr-cobham-201113383446712 (http://www.bakerbrothers.co.uk/used-cars/bmw-1-series-135i-m-sport-2dr-cobham-201113383446712)
Nice 2009 R32 on there too :smiley:
The 135i/123d is fast becoming my car of choice when i come to replace my beast.
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I'm going to look at this one ASAP
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3165908.htm
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Looks a decent one,
If it helps, mine's an '08 with similar spec and I paid £18,500 from a BMW dealer. Push hard to get new brakes on it, they look a bit past it.
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This one went stupidly cheap...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3158139.htm
Has the god awful chrome-line trim, but a serious amount of car for the money.. :surprised:
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Had my 335i Msport for over a year now, as Ben says, noise still making me grin :happy2: and about 30mpg overall.
Fitted BMWP CF spoiler & splitter and had the calipers/bells painted (rusted straight away).
Poverty, where did your mate get his work done? Was thinking of BMWP Map and Exhaust as they dont effect the warranty. well I lasted a year :signLOL:
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Neil are you from the chelmsford area?? Few people have spoken about your ed30!
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Just developed a full valvetronic Stainless Exhaust for the 1M - kills the boom on the OEM system and then lets fly once the car comes on boost.
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Sorry to bump this back up, but I'm in the market again and these still come out on top for me!
Any further thoughts or other options please?
Russ.
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If you're passing Knutsford any time soon, get in touch and I'll take you out - I need to speak to you about that paint correction I asked about yonks ago anyway, 2 birds and all that...
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We can help with the exhaust if needed :signLOL:
Nige
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If you can give it the metallic zang of an E46 M3 CSL, I'll be down...
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If you can give it the metallic zang of an E46 M3 CSL, I'll be down...
One of the most recognisable sounds to come out of the back of a car... :notworthy:
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Hi Tony
What can I say - we specialize in "Zang" - in fact I was going to get some BCS T-shirts printed up in BMW Motorsport colours saying "we love the Zang" !
Cheers
Nige
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I've listened to a lot of 135i aftermarket 'zorst clips, and sadly nothing is tuned like the CSLs - I can only presume it's because of the turbos?? You get that muffled bassy sound instead.
I'd hand over the cash immediately for this noise.
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M3 csl :drool: :drool: :drool:
You could buy that car sell it in a year, loose nothing in resale value and have an awsome car to drive in the mean time hmmm.......
Slightly maybe a bit dated now though :ashamed:
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Deffo.
If I'd have had any sense, I'd have bought one when the credit crunch hit and all the bankers were bailing out at £18kish. I got a bargain of a MK5 instead and sold it 2 years later for a £2k loss.
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I've driven a 1M Round Brands and it seriously made me consider selling the 911...........
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Better than any MK 5? Yes. Would I get one? No, purely because of the practicality issue :sad1: I need a 5 dr hatch, hence why will keep Eddie until RS3 values become reasonable circa 2014/2015 or move to a bigger house then an M3 or S4 will be fair game :evilgrin:
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There'll be a new shape 135i hatch, shame it looks like a dog's arse.
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There'll be a new shape 135i hatch, shame it looks like a dog's arse.
will see what it looks like, maybe will be colour sensitive and ok in white/grey?
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They all do :signLOL:
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LOL I could hear that coming over the Pennines!!
Yet to see an M-spec new shape 1, the 5 series looks chalk and cheese between trim levels, it's a ploy to make you upgrade. 3 looks nice though... Toughy, hopefully it'll grow and the new coupe will be prettied up too.
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Spotted a white 1m yesterday and it did look phat and also have black 1m near my house and they look lots better than the normal 1 series
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Aye, it certainly looks the part!! I think colours are important on the coupe, some hide the 'sag' well, leaving that classic silhouette. The 3 on the 1M certainly do.
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Yeah it's the saggy look I hate :sick:
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Hello lovely, is Mathew saying your ugly again cos he cant cope with a mans car :signLOL:
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:signLOL: yeah
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I don't really like the profile of the hatch, but looks play a very small part in my decision on cars, and it's all opinion, when I bought this I looked at the s3 sport back and I'm sorry it is horrible as is the rs3, but lots love em, talking of which you got any pics of your a3 non s line auto sport back mat :signLOL:
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Yeah still a sh1t car and the wife wife wanted it not me :signLOL: horrid dsg box :sick: first o admit its a crap dull Audi
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I don't really like the profile of the hatch, but looks play a very small part in my decision on cars, and it's all opinion, when I bought this I looked at the s3 sport back and I'm sorry it is horrible as is the rs3, but lots love em, talking of which you got any pics of your a3 non s line auto sport back mat :signLOL:
The A3/S3 Sportback looks like a breadvan and drives like one.
The ride on the S3 is harder than a corpse on Viagra.
These cars are so old and dull that even the worms have rejected them.
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It's so hard to find the right spec :(
There's a nice one near me at BMW Wolves but it doesn't have Xenons but seems to have everything else! Does anyone know how much a retro fit costs please? :smiley:
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Not sure it can be done.
Have you looked on babybmw.net? Few for sale on there.
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you're only allowed one if you put a shopping list down the side of it like that one we saw in Wolves when you detailed my car :signLOL:
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My RS4 has xenons! :innocent:
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I think you can retro fit xenons. I was after the face lift led rear lights and when I tried to price them up I'm sure the guy on the counter found a part number for a retrofit xenon kit ... Can't imagine it's cheap though.
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Ben, the gearbox and N54/N55 what model (reg) did this change?
Are realistically what is town driving MPG, been looking at 123d's but if they are around 30 then I could be tempted with the 135i
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I get 30 out of my N54/man's gearbox - the N55/DCTs are much better :happy2:
2010, I think??
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30? Thats pretty good for 3L twin turbo. :happy2:
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thats bloody excellent for that size/power. Is that town driving ? I like looking at real world figures.
It really isnt bad if true - the 2.0TSI engine only gets around 26-28 round town (short trips), 20 if you have some fun.
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General bobbing around A and B roads, so lots of gear changes 30-50mph usage - I get 320-340 miles to 50lts.
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tony - we are talking 135 stil yes? I dont know how they are managing that then but wow.
123d or 135i now then..
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You think I'd own a diesel, how insulting... :grin:
Yeah, I've got a 135i.
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Really shocked.
Like the idea of the latest dual clutch but not looking that new. I take it the older auto is still pretty good.
Sorry about all the Q's just a great forum to ask on - probably why we are all still here.
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Oh and very nice by the way.
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Yeah, the old slushbox is actually pretty good. Not sure there's many about though.
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Neg - I echo Mike's comments with regards mpg. I average 30mpg in mine at min and that is a combination of motorway driving mixed with back road hooning and town pottering.
Round town you'll be looking at around mid 20's with sensible driving.. N55 is slightly better on the motion lotion compared to the N54, but we are only talking 2mpg at most I would think. Mike must be getting old going off his mpg figures for an N54 :surprised: :signLOL:
Early DCT cars start on a 10 plate (possibly 59) and its a great box. Not driven the earlier Auto box, but by all accounts it's a decent bit of kit.
Ŵhats your budget?
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Mine is £20k.
It's between this or a Megane 250 on a 60 plate. I'm guessing I can get an 08/58.
They are so hard to find in the right spec
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Down to its rarity unfortunately mate.. Don't give up trying though, they're well worth the wait :wink:
Meg 250 is a fantastic choice also to be fair, just a completely different car to the 1er. I dare say you will lose slightly more in depreciation on one though..
What spec are you after bud (N54/55, manual/DCT, colour, options etc) I'll keep my eyes peeled for you..
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I guess it'll have to be N54 within my budget
Will the manual be okay clutch wise if I want to take it to 400hp+? I would prefer manual if I'm honest.
Then, ideally:
- Grey, white or black
- Red Leather (PIMP)
- iDrive
- Xenons
- Heated Seats
I found a black one with Lemon leather but not so sure...
The Meg I can get up to about 330hp and is great fun to drive too, but as you say will hurt me depreciation wise...
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My 135i Might be for sale:
2008
N54 with step auto
Satnav/leather/xenons/bilstein/Remus/quaife diff/ and more
Sparkling graphite
The car is literally in mint condition, would hate to sell as I absolutely love it but it really doesn't get used, has done less than 2k miles in the last 7 months. It's having a major service next week with new discs, pads, coolant, brake fluid etc...
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My 135i Might be for sale:
2008
N54 with step auto
Satnav/leather/xenons/bilstein/Remus/quaife diff/ and more
Sparkling graphite
The car is literally in mint condition, would hate to sell as I absolutely love it but it really doesn't get used, has done less than 2k miles in the last 7 months. It's having a major service next week with new discs, pads, coolant, brake fluid etc...
I totally forgot about your PM!
Is that going to be <£20k? What colour leather is it please? Any pics?
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It's black Nevada leather. Will be less than 20k.
Will take a look for some pics as I am away at present.
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I guess it'll have to be N54 within my budget
Will the manual be okay clutch wise if I want to take it to 400hp+? I would prefer manual if I'm honest.
Then, ideally:
- Grey, white or black
- Red Leather (PIMP)
- iDrive
- Xenons
- Heated Seats
I found a black one with Lemon leather but not so sure...
The Meg I can get up to about 330hp and is great fun to drive too, but as you say will hurt me depreciation wise...
Well, you basically want my car then - the only option it doesn't have is cruise, for some odd reason.
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Mike must be getting old going off his mpg figures for an N54 :surprised: :signLOL:
It's getting better, the older/more miles it has. I still c*** it down the back lanes like I'm 18!
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I suppose if its a 135i then manual for me could be an option so I suppose that gives me more choice. 123d I think would have to be auto just due to the short rev range - although there does seem to be more manauls on the market right now.
thanks for the info guys, some things to think about anyway.
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Sorry for my ignorance , but does the 135i come in the 'hatch' shape , as opposed to the 'coupe' style? I test drove a 118 D Sport before I got my GTI and really like the Mk1 hatch shape (especially as a 3 door) , but I think they have ruined it with the Mk2 , the front end is fugly as :surprised:
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Nope doesnt come in the hatch shape thank god :sick: the coupe looks way better. Probably not the best time to buy one though, id personnally wait until the new 135 is released and prices for the mk1 should drop.
A 400whp 135i with a diff and some M3 chassis mods would be mental specially for sub 20k :drool:
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You can get a 130i in hatch form, obviously N/A so modding it hard, but still full of character. They are a little softer, don't have all the bracing and natural stiffness of the coupe.
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Nope doesnt come in the hatch shape thank god :sick: the coupe looks way better. Probably not the best time to buy one though, id personnally wait until the new 135 is released and prices for the mk1 should drop.
A 400whp 135i with a diff and some M3 chassis mods would be mental specially for sub 20k :drool:
Ahh thats a shame , I prefer the hatch shape , but I detest the Mk2! BMW have ruined the car IMHO , and I dont think its a grower on me. I wont be buying another car for a few years anyway , plenty time to look about.
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Nope doesnt come in the hatch shape thank god :sick: the coupe looks way better. Probably not the best time to buy one though, id personnally wait until the new 135 is released and prices for the mk1 should drop.
A 400whp 135i with a diff and some M3 chassis mods would be mental specially for sub 20k :drool:
Ahh thats a shame , I prefer the hatch shape , but I detest the Mk2! BMW have ruined the car IMHO , and I dont think its a grower on me. I wont be buying another car for a few years anyway , plenty time to look about.
They havnt released the m sport version of the new 1er though. The m sport kits always look alot better.
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Nope doesnt come in the hatch shape thank god :sick: the coupe looks way better. Probably not the best time to buy one though, id personnally wait until the new 135 is released and prices for the mk1 should drop.
A 400whp 135i with a diff and some M3 chassis mods would be mental specially for sub 20k :drool:
Ahh thats a shame , I prefer the hatch shape , but I detest the Mk2! BMW have ruined the car IMHO , and I dont think its a grower on me. I wont be buying another car for a few years anyway , plenty time to look about.
They havnt released the m sport version of the new 1er though. The m sport kits always look alot better.
They have Rob and it's been out a little while mate... :smiley:
http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=35421
It is growing on me a bit, but still not convinced..
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The old one never photographed well, but it was at least balanced. The lights and bull nose bother me, and it seems under wheeled, possibly because it looks flabbier that the previous model.
That said, the 340hp M135i hatch can't be sniffed at, and let's face it, you can't see that ugly nose from the beautiful inside.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/261484/
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Have you added any new toys recently Mike? Can't remember if you have gone down the LSD route yet or if it's still on the cards? Also what software route are you likely to go down?
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Must say great thread. I think this may be on be shortlist for cars to consider in the future.
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Nothing much really, Ben, it's 12 months since I bought it now and once the insurance gets renewed tomorrow I'll make provision for some mods - Greenlight's policy once again sh*ts on everyone else.
I'm that impressed with the car, I'm going to keep it longer than I planned. I'll do a few bits and keep sticking money away towards the Pork - means I'll wait longer but I'll get a better car (cough GT3 cough). So yes, diff, software (probably DMS) and the Bilsteins will be on :wink:
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We definitely need to compare notes at some point at one of the upcoming shows/track days.. Only driven/been in 1 N54 135i and that was with a numpty salesman next to me for ten mins whilst we fished our way through roadworks :sad1:, so not really had a decent run out in one tbh (not that it's going to be hugely different to mine of course).
I bet it drives even better with a few cornering mods and a diff (not that it's bad now). I'm actually just about to go out for a hoon in mine actually and will be doing my very best at bringing the on-board MPG computer south from it's current 30.7mpg figure.. :driver: Could do with my new boots hurrying up though, as the current ones are smoother than a bum cheek.. :surprised:
Are you going to be gatecrashing the sprint at Inters again this year? :evilgrin: :laugh:
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It'll be getting thrown up the strip. Lower final drive and more power should see decent times - I was still in 3rd at 100+ (Stock 13.7 1/4) last time :grin:
Just do the wishbones and camber pin mod, you've got 225s up front?? That'll give you much more neutral handling, everything else I've done/doing is just tweaks & track biased mods. For a road only car the bones, pin and better geo are more than enough.
Take mine for a spin, no worries.
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Evidence of how long the gearing is.... just shy of 190mph here, with the benefit of a downhill section by the looks of it, in a 400+hp 135i.
What's scary is that very little hardware is required for this kind of power. The N54 has fully forged internals and a serious valvetrain as stock, N55 tuning is fast cathing up too.
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THANKS FOR THE VID. loving it.
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It'll be getting thrown up the strip. Lower final drive and more power should see decent times - I was still in 3rd at 100+ (Stock 13.7 1/4) last time :grin:
Just do the wishbones and camber pin mod, you've got 225s up front?? That'll give you much more neutral handling, everything else I've done/doing is just tweaks & track biased mods. For a road only car the bones, pin and better geo are more than enough.
Take mine for a spin, no worries.
Good lad.. I wasn't going to bother this year but my mate is craving to go (camp over) and it looks like my arm could be twisted.. :wink:
Will more than likely chuck mine down the strip too being as I have a 1/4 mile obsession/illness that refrains me from just be able to watch without saying to myself "f*ck it".. :signLOL:
My new DIY launch control seems to be doing the trick now too, so a mid 12 could/should be on the cards.... :jumpmove:
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Awesome. I'll smash a few runs in early doors so the purists don't complain too much about the Bavarians cluttering up the queue. Then I'll go blagging amusing rides. Wasting stuff in Gary's R36 whilst listening to classic FM in air conditioned luxury was hilarious last year.
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Mate of mine runs this company if anyone wants any bits for their BMWs!! :wink:
http://www.juiceduptuning.co.uk/
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Mate of mine runs this company if anyone wants any bits for their BMWs!! :wink:
http://www.juiceduptuning.co.uk/
Ahh.. I've looked at the JB4 a few times, just not sure I can be bothered fitting all that wiring. It gets superb reviews and figures.
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Yeah, he sells a lot of them. :happy2:
Beauty of it being completely PNP. Albeit a fair bit of cables, but easily removed.
I actually really want a 135i, wanted one for a while. But wife would kill me if i said i wanted to swap now. Should have got one instead of the Polo to be honest, then looked for another cheapy track car with a VW badge.
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Is the cobb access port available on UK cars, similar to the Revo sps unit?
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AFAIK Rob, yeah it is... The Stage 2+ seems to give great results with full bolt-on hardware mods..
Mate of mine runs this company if anyone wants any bits for their BMWs!! :wink:
http://www.juiceduptuning.co.uk/
Is that Neil by any chance?
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Certainly is. :happy2:
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Is the cobb access port available on UK cars, similar to the Revo sps unit?
I don't know if I've seen anyone in the UK with one yet - very fancy bit of kit!
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Evidence of how long the gearing is.... just shy of 190mph here, with the benefit of a downhill section by the looks of it, in a 400+hp 135i.
What's scary is that very little hardware is required for this kind of power. The N54 has fully forged internals and a serious valvetrain as stock, N55 tuning is fast cathing up too.
You cant even do 70mph on the motorways over here without some idiot pulling out to slow you down, then sitting at 60mph. That is some serious speed. :jumping:
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Is the cobb access port available on UK cars, similar to the Revo sps unit?
It would appear so Rob.. :wink:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=688565
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Theres an orange 1M on there with the M3 gts wing and it looks amazing :drool: would prefer it in white though.
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597664
Is there a massive difference between the 1m and the 135i or is just a couple of tweeks here and there?
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Evolve have a box too
http://www.evolveautomotive.com/135i-n54_859/evolve-r-ecu-remap-bmw-135i-n54_334.php
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Ouch. Dear. Was talking with Neil about te JB4 yesterday, reckons its got some really neat features with the canbus interface. You can even open the exhaust flaps via the steering wheel controls.
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I'm not sure it's dear, it's just the JB4 is such good value!
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Theres an orange 1M on there with the M3 gts wing and it looks amazing :drool: would prefer it in white though.
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597664
Is there a massive difference between the 1m and the 135i or is just a couple of tweeks here and there?
Engine wise - next to nothing, other than a few extra cooling parts.
Suspension wise - It shares a lot of the M3's running gear, so quite a bit different..
Just a shame (for me) that they don't have a DCT option :sad1: If they had then I would of taken a serious look at getting in to organised crime.. :drool:
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Theres 2 methods of using boxes, a tuning box (goes inline between ecu and engine and alters signals to trick the engine into making power) and map switching units.
Personally I dont like either, ive never had a single 135i or 335i react similarly to the same changes to thir map, they seem extremely individual with lofs of different software versions and I can only really tell if a map is going o be good by dyno tuning and testing. Gains can be brilliant, even on a stock car:
http://www.sedox-performance.co.uk/projects/ (choose bmw and 135i to view dyno graph)
And same software on an identical car did this:
http://www.sedox-performance.co.uk/dynoGraphs/BMW/1-series%20E81,%20E82,%20E87,%20E88/135i%20306Hp%20400Nm.htm
So i feel the only way to tune these accurately is by dyno tuning. Fuel makes a big differebce as well, a stock car makes 285ish on 95ron and 305hp on 99ron.
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That graph looks very familiar Dave.. :wink:
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Sorry to ask a practi-boring question lads. Serious one though;
With the back seats down, could you clamber your average mountain bike into the boot and seat it comfortably in the 1 series coupe?
My mate was round in a 60 plate Scirocco about 30 minutes ago and the load space in that is terrible with the high lip, even without the parcel shelf in place it's like an envelope.
Is the 1 series better in that department? Ta.
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Just to throw a new spanner in the works. Are we all aware of this:
http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/bmw-m135i-revealed-2012-05-14
Discuss :smile:
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I'll just have to wipe the sick off my face. Won't be long...
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All I see is a Nissan almera when look at that :signLOL:
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All I see is a Nissan almera when look at that :signLOL:
Don't be ridiculous, the Almera was much better looking!
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I don't think it looks that bad at least they've got rid of the melty bit in the middle. :ashamed:
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Really like the new hatch personally. I could see myself in one of them, but more practical than the coupe. Although not as good looking. I dont like the current generation shape.
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I think for me it's a case of what could have been, but I guess that's been the story with BMW for a long time now. A small, quick BMW hatch, it should be beautiful but aggressive, not gawky and disproportioned.
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Sorry to ask a practi-boring question lads. Serious one though;
With the back seats down, could you clamber your average mountain bike into the boot and seat it comfortably in the 1 series coupe?
My mate was round in a 60 plate Scirocco about 30 minutes ago and the load space in that is terrible with the high lip, even without the parcel shelf in place it's like an envelope.
Is the 1 series better in that department? Ta.
Hmm.. it's certainly long enough to take it, as I had a back bumper in there the other day. You'd probably be taking wheels off to get it through the small aperture though.
This is what they look like from the inside.
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Its the boot opening (at the bottom) which looks pretty narrow. The forum strikes again .. on the look out for a 1 coupe now :rolleye:
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All I see is a Nissan almera when look at that :signLOL:
Four door 300 bhp rwd well built hot hatch and your worried about looks :signLOL: