MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: mortygttdi on September 05, 2011, 11:25:09 pm
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Hi guys ive fab'ed a temp EGR blank at work and stuck in place of the gasket between the EGR valve and the smaller take off pipe to the side of it...the one that goes round to the back of the engine.
On testing it there is no lights on the dash and it runs nice and smooth? But is there other things I need to have done or am I in the right place???
Darren
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thing you have to blank of both ends of the pipe which you mention Daz :happy2:
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Done that Andy just put a blanking plate between the gasket and bolted back on
Darren :happy2:
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I have a Darkside Developements EGR delete pipe in place and for the first 20-30 miles no CEL, then it came on. I switched it off with my Shark STS, but it reared its ugly head a few miles later. It has now been permanently removed on my stage 1 software.
If and when the CEL does come on, you can either leave it (not going to do any harm) or have your standard/remap modified to flash it out.
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Cheers Pagey, last night I took the small vac pipe off and plugged it, left the other side open and it took around 80 miles for the CEL to come on, I turned it off with VCDS so just waiting for it to come back on...but will get S/C to send me a modded map with the EGR delete.
Cheers again
Darren :happy2:
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Hope you don't mind me asking :ashamed: whats the benifits to blocking/blanking this off?
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I believe it stops parts of the engine from building up with crud if you blank it off???? Someone with better knowledge of the system will be along shortly.
Darren
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Darren's explanation is spot on really, over time crud will build up in the EGR valve reducing the diameter and with it air flow. You don't necessarily have to fit a delete pipe, if you have the time, you can remove the EGR and leave it to soak overnight in either carb cleaner or similar. Once clean simply refit. However the advantage to going for a bypass is the internal diameter of the delete pipe is greater and also there are no internal obstructions.
The pictures below should illusrate this.
My OE EGR valve -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fpagey1255%2FGolf_GT%2FDSC04777.jpg&hash=ecb0d657675e28a1a06914165db73edd9dffb40e)
Delete pipe -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fpagey1255%2FGolf_GT%2FDSC04767.jpg&hash=ebe1915a35a077d4393f5135fb8e4af5afe8d056)
Fitted -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fpagey1255%2FGolf_GT%2FDSC04773.jpg&hash=ff5b183eb829cf79618b20336a235bf5e4f0b22a)
Mine had covered a little over 45k, and tbh wasn't that bad, the last picture is from a vehicle which had covered less miles. Poor servicing, fuelling and enviroment can all play a part in how bad they can get. Imo, for 70 quid it's a no brainer, as I noticed increase throttle response and over a couple of runs the mpg increased slightly.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmycitycable.com%2F%7Enoreasons%2FEGR1.jpg&hash=6ece9d2ef1d94313e702d6496a08c75f2ea0c555)
HTH, Lee. :happy2:
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Should the egr valve be cleaned every 40k odd miles?
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Should the egr valve be cleaned every 40k odd miles?
I can't see any harm in it. Now I have done it once I reckon I could remove/refit in 20 minutes, there is one bolt at the rear that is awkward to get to but once I figured I could use an allen key it wasn't a big deal.
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Should the egr valve be cleaned every 40k odd miles?
I can't see any harm in it. Now I have done it once I reckon I could remove/refit in 20 minutes, there is one bolt at the rear that is awkward to get to but once I figured I could use an allen key it wasn't a big deal.
Would the delete pipe be an better option to cleaning the egr valve?
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Yes IMO it would, and I will be doing what Mr Pagey has done in the near future but just has a temp measure I have made my own delete plate and disconnected the vac pipe,
Big thing for me at the moment is I got an email back from S/C and they said they do not support the EGR delete on there files.
Good afternoon.
I am glad to hear that the car is now running well. Unfortunately EGR removal and deactivation is not something we support or offer with our files.
Kind Regards
Michael Howard.
So will be thinking defo going to see Dave @ PDT once the Darkside delete is in place.
Darren
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They're tuners but they can't map out an EGR delete??? :surprised:
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I will get mine ordered soon.. I can drive around for a few months with out a ecu map and it won't go into limp mode?
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I will get mine ordered soon.. I can drive around for a few months with out a ecu map and it won't go into limp mode?
I was assured by Darkside that an EGR delete was extremely unlikely to cause limp mode.
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OK......
So if you can delete it? what was in not manufactured like this?
Will it not cause any running issues at all?
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I will get mine ordered soon.. I can drive around for a few months with out a ecu map and it won't go into limp mode?
I was assured by Darkside that an EGR delete was extremely unlikely to cause limp mode.
Thanks for the info :happy2:
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They're tuners but they can't map out an EGR delete??? :surprised:
Pagey I think its may be a legal type of problem with S/C.
It doesn't put the car in limp mode has its only showing the EGR has not getting the right flow, but its not controlling the actual engine in any way.
Darren
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OK......
So if you can delete it? what was in not manufactured like this?
Will it not cause any running issues at all?
The EGR's purpose is to reduce emissions by recirculating exhaust gas (hence the build up of crud), but without it the emissions are still well within acceptable tolerance's and you don't have the sooty exhaust gases doing a round robin through the engine.......
You could liken it to a remap, if the PD140 engine is capable of 180bhp with just a few software modifications, why doesn't it leave the factory like it?
Answer? To keep the id-yots happy in Brussels!
Regarding the running, it did feel a bit lumpy at idle, that has now stopped as I think it was more to do with the ECU adapting to the remap.
Pagey I think its may be a legal type of problem with S/C.
Darren
Just remind again, what's S/C?
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Just remind again, what's S/C?
Superchips?
Does anyone know if REVO will map out an EGR warning? Funny enough REVO mention in a email to me when I was looking into a decat downpipe that putting a hi flow downpipe with no cat on a 2.0 diesel has seen EGR faults appear.
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I'm sure REVO would, mine is Shark'd and they mapped out the EGR prior to sending out the file.
Very interested how you get on with a decat, definitely an option for me. :innocent:
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Pagey I have the decat(actually the original cat with the insides removed) and its been fine but I do have a map to delete the cat :confused: which is funny Superchips will make a map to remove the CAT but not the EGR???
Darren
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Pagey I have the decat(actually the original cat with the insides removed) and its been fine but I do have a map to delete the cat :confused: which is funny Superchips will make a map to remove the CAT but not the EGR???
Darren
Did your's start life as a PD140?
What sort of power are you running now?
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Pagey I have the decat(actually the original cat with the insides removed) and its been fine but I do have a map to delete the cat :confused: which is funny Superchips will make a map to remove the CAT but not the EGR???
Darren
I didn't think you would need to map out for a de cat as the ecu does not measure exhaust gasses post cat on the 140PD's to know the difference?
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Thats good then. :happy2:
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Pagey it started has a 140pd yes, the last run on Daves(PDT) rollers it made 207hp & 300ft lb. Apparently superchips lower the torque to preserve the engine and gearbox...?
Not sure about the CAT delete map but was told it was needed or the emissions light would pop up.
Darren
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Pagey it started has a 140pd yes, the last run on Daves(PDT) rollers it made 207hp & 300ft lb. Apparently superchips lower the torque to preserve the engine and gearbox...?
Not sure about the CAT delete map but was told it was needed or the emissions light would pop up.
Darren
Bloody hell mate, what have you had done to it besides the remap?
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Pagey it started has a 140pd yes, the last run on Daves(PDT) rollers it made 207hp & 300ft lb. Apparently superchips lower the torque to preserve the engine and gearbox...?
Not sure about the CAT delete map but was told it was needed or the emissions light would pop up.
Darren
Bloody hell mate, what have you had done to it besides the remap?
He has a hybrid turbo :laugh:
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Has 81lly said mate its got a bigger hybrid turbo on there :happy2:
Darren
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Not sure about the CAT delete map but was told it was needed or the emissions light would pop up.
CAT delete maps aren't needed. I fitted a De-Cat to my pd140 earlier this year and it ran fine and no lights or vcds error codes, I've since had a Stage1 map loaded and thats fine with the De-Cat too. :happy2:
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Not sure about the CAT delete map but was told it was needed or the emissions light would pop up.
CAT delete maps aren't needed. I fitted a De-Cat to my pd140 earlier this year and it ran fine and no lights or vcds error codes, I've since had a Stage1 map loaded and thats fine with the De-Cat too. :happy2:
Ahh, another Briskodian invader. Thanks for your input buddy. :happy2:
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These people offer a couple of egr delete kits and it also says they have the ability to switch off the control unit.
http://fr-rtuning-shop.co.uk/AUDI/A3/A3-2003-2008/VAG-2-0-TDI-EGR-Roadsport-Delete-kit/prod_1706.htm
And there are some interesting tuning packages for the pd 140 listed too :wink:
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Ahh, another Briskodian invader. Thanks for your input buddy. :happy2:
NP.. Will be ordering a Darkside EGR when payday comes around & I have you and Wardy to thank for it :P Just need to speak to Ben next week when the car's in for a Service for getting the EML mapped out :happy2:
Matthew
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These people offer a couple of egr delete kits and it also says they have the ability to switch off the control unit.
http://fr-rtuning-shop.co.uk/AUDI/A3/A3-2003-2008/VAG-2-0-TDI-EGR-Roadsport-Delete-kit/prod_1706.htm
And there are some interesting tuning packages for the pd 140 listed too :wink:
That site is good, spent a good few minutes on there! Shame their miles away because theory maps look good and pretty cheap too....
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Hi lads another gt tdi driver do you recommend having this done on the gt 170 it's being remapped and dpf removal, do you think I should get the egr valve deleted ? Get conflicting info ?
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I can't speak for the 170, but it has made a difference on my 140, I expect it's a combination of the map as well, but on my 10 mile run to work I was averaging between 42.5 - 47.5 mpg, on Monday I got 52mpg!! :surprised: That's a combination on 3-5 minutes on the motorway, and then twisty A roads.
The thing to look at is the EGR, is an efficient bit of kit up to about 30k (normal driving, servicing etc) after that it gets clogged which reduces performance and mpg. You could whip it off, clean and refit, but if you are going down the route of DPF delete and remap you may as well invest the 70 sheets and get the EGR bypass also.
Something to bare in mind, removing it will increase emissions but they will still be way below the require for UK law.
I was looking at FR tuning, but was put off by reports of shocking customer service and wrong parts supplied, perhaps just an isolated incident, but the boys at Darkside are the nutts. :happy2:
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Think il order one of these before it goes for it's revo remap.think I'd be aswell getting full exhaust system fitted at the same time.
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Think il order one of these before it goes for it's revo remap.think I'd be aswell getting full exhaust system fitted at the same time.
Be rude not too. :party:
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been looking at doing this myself and getting a dark side egr delete,keeping looking at thier turbos as well :rolleye:
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been looking at doing this myself and getting a dark side egr delete,keeping looking at thier turbos as well :rolleye:
That's where I'll be going if my turbo goes.........(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiocircle.com%2FSmileys%2Faudiocircle%2Fsmiley_bomb.gif&hash=ac4c8555b7b0990021e542771589430cfb1ba56e)
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don't think its a IF for me,it will be a when ,the luck i have with turbos :signLOL:
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Chin up Andy!
Regards,
John
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Chin up Andy!
Regards,
John
for got what my car looks like John :signLOL:
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There is two kits on the website.roadsport and motorsport one.I take it it's the roadsport one I'd need before I order?
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There is two kits on the website.roadsport and motorsport one.I take it it's the roadsport one I'd need before I order?
If you are you talking about the FR one, then yes, you need the Roadsport one? If you email Darkside Developments and ask for the delete kit for the 2.0 BKD engine, it's £70 posted from them, and customer service is second to none, they practically talked me through the DIY installation of mine. :happy2:
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I'm interested to fit an Egr delete kit but don't know if order it from Allard, Frtuning, Darkside...
do you know how to solve the warnin light on, can I flash it out? :happy2:
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I'm interested to fit an Egr delete kit but don't know if order it from Allard, Frtuning, Darkside...
do you know how to solve the warnin light on, can I flash it out? :happy2:
It will need to be mapped out, most people have gone with Darksides kit :happy2:
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I'm interested to fit an Egr delete kit but don't know if order it from Allard, Frtuning, Darkside...
do you know how to solve the warnin light on, can I flash it out? :happy2:
Darkside are doing one that is made from billet so its all one piece, bit more expensive but apparently there will be no welds to crack, which is what they where getting before? I have the blanking plate at the moment but I'm going to take the full EGR valve and cooler out and just leave the Anti Shudder Valve in.
And yes can be mapped out by your tuner, RSTuning did mine when I had my hybrid turbo mapped.
Darren
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ok, I hope get both delete kits valve and cooler soon and map egr light out. Do you know the link to the Darkside Egr kit, now I'm trying it and don't find
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Hi mate, I have the Darkside kit fitted to mine. You won't find a link on the site to the one for the BKD engine, just email them or give them a ring. :happy2: