MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 08, 2011, 09:32:18 am
I've had my GTI for a month now and this has been happening for the whole month. Not too worried and sure it's normal but when I have the car running idle at traffic lights etc I can feel a wobble/vibration, from the engine, going through the base of my seat. Nothing major just a wee tremor everynow and again. Is this normal?

PS The has just had the coil packs changed and ESP pump changed, so it has has been run through vagcom.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Russ_leeds on September 08, 2011, 02:37:35 pm
mine does this. apparentley its pretty normal for these engines :happy2:
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 08, 2011, 03:21:55 pm
Phew! (Wipes sweat from brow). Thanks.
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Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 08, 2011, 03:46:57 pm

You sound as paranoid as me lol.  Always wondering if something is wrong with my car
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 08, 2011, 04:07:45 pm
Aha. So true. The car is under warranty for another 2 months so it would also be good to get niggling issues out of the way, just for peace of mind.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Saint Steve on September 08, 2011, 05:01:07 pm
I'd change to the new latest revision N PCV unit.

about 35 dollar.. :happy2:
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 08, 2011, 07:28:30 pm
@Saint Steve Sorry for my ignorance, what is a N PCV unit?  :smiley:
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Saint Steve on September 08, 2011, 07:45:29 pm
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30068.msg418966.html#msg418966

One of these from Reply 515 :happy2:
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 08, 2011, 08:43:35 pm
If mine still has the original PCV will it be doing any damage?
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Saint Steve on September 08, 2011, 08:53:29 pm
no, but it will it would idle like a pig, and if you have dsg, when sat stationary in D, you'd feel it vibrate due to the idle speed being too slow on idle.

I changed mine, and found it idle'd better sat stationary, ie at the lights with my foot on the brake. Normally you can feel if its in Gear, but after i replaced my PCV, i had a job to tell what gear i was in!.

Its only £35 quid. Takes less then 10 minutes to fit, and if yours is the origonal, proberly worth you changing it. Have a look at your service receipts if i were you.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 08, 2011, 09:12:55 pm

Or £85 for a BSH one with catch can to help prevent your intake valves getting covered in crap  :wink:(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftfsi_mike%2FFunnies%2Fwhistle.gif&hash=f9b1349f94dcbc5f90b3a299f3534e12203878ba)
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Saint Steve on September 08, 2011, 09:22:54 pm

Or £85 for a BSH one with catch can to help prevent your intake valves getting covered in crap  :wink:(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftfsi_mike%2FFunnies%2Fwhistle.gif&hash=f9b1349f94dcbc5f90b3a299f3534e12203878ba)

A blank you mean :star:
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: neil86 on September 08, 2011, 10:34:54 pm
mines a 2.0 tdi, and it does the same same thing weird idle. Obviously yours are the 2.0t petrol just starnge similar fault
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: markt on September 08, 2011, 11:09:13 pm
Mine does the same a little judder at idle i have a 1.4tsi my inlaws does this aswell they have a 140 gt tdi so is this just normal then?
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: WILLZIE on September 09, 2011, 12:30:23 am
What is the latest version of the PCV unit? and how do I know which version I have?
Also would this ever throw up the engine warning light?





Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Saint Steve on September 09, 2011, 07:12:01 am
^^^^ As I Posted.       N.  :confused:
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 09, 2011, 09:21:46 am
@Saint Steve I'll check my log book tonight

Apparently when I bought the car it had a 'Gold' warranty on it that runs out in February. For a start I don't know what a Gold warrany is. I have search the interent and found very little knowldge apart from a private company that covers all parts. Would the PCV be covered under this I wonder, and more to the point, what the hell is a Gold warranty lol
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: daboy3000 on September 09, 2011, 03:23:07 pm
Its the flywheel that is causing it to wobble. According to my mechanic and AMD this is a common issue and won't go away untll the flywheel is replaced.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 09, 2011, 04:20:30 pm
@daboy3000 Would this be covered under warranty and is it causing any damage teh way it is? From what I have read there are 3 possibilities: flywheel, engine mounts, pcv valve
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: daboy3000 on September 09, 2011, 04:36:36 pm
I'm no expert, just another one suffering from the same thing, also known as seat wobble.  AMD said to just do it when the clutch needs changing and it won't do any harm.  I don't know whether the warranty would cover it, depends who its with and proving that is the issue, would be a lot of money to replace it as a trial and error type thing.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: neil86 on September 09, 2011, 07:22:21 pm
Mine does the same a little judder at idle i have a 1.4tsi my inlaws does this aswell they have a 140 gt tdi so is this just normal then?


I thought it was my engine but if yours is a petrol and mines diesel maybe it is the fly wheel or sumet, only thing is mines speradic sometimes its bad other times i cant feel it.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: daboy3000 on September 09, 2011, 07:40:25 pm
Same, only there sometimes. I've just added it to the list of shody Vw build quality failings. Like the hot start problem or the alarm siren packing up!
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: neil86 on September 09, 2011, 07:59:47 pm
Same, only there sometimes. I've just added it to the list of shody Vw build quality failings. Like the hot start problem or the alarm siren packing up!

Ha ha i bought one because there ment to be bomb proof maybe not so perfect  :laugh:
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 09, 2011, 08:13:42 pm
@Neil 86
Quote
Ha ha i bought one because there meant to be bomb proof maybe not so perfect

Similar thinking here  :smiley:
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: ub7rm on September 09, 2011, 09:51:43 pm
When the PCV is at fault you'll know about it.  There is a very slight little 'beat' at idle, usually when the engine is hot, that is felt but not registered on the rev counter that is a normal characteristic of these engines and nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Asa on September 10, 2011, 12:51:36 am
Mine does the same a little judder at idle i have a 1.4tsi my inlaws does this aswell they have a 140 gt tdi so is this just normal then?


I thought it was my engine but if yours is a petrol and mines diesel maybe it is the fly wheel or sumet, only thing is mines speradic sometimes its bad other times i cant feel it.

I've had the same symptoms for a while 2004 GT diesel. Fly wheel would make sense as I felt the clutch slip a couple of times last year 60k on original clutch and flywheel
Have a look here post 171
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=145577&page=12
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: WILLZIE on September 10, 2011, 09:32:14 am
When the PCV is at fault you'll know about it.  There is a very slight little 'beat' at idle, usually when the engine is hot, that is felt but not registered on the rev counter that is a normal characteristic of these engines and nothing to worry about.

This describes mine!, am hoping this is just the case! does it get any worse with time and did it bring up the engine warning light?
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 10, 2011, 09:47:39 am
No warning lights up on mine. May get the garage to check it out, although as some people have said, they will probably say it's normal. If there are any MK5 GTI drivers here in NI, it would be good to meet up and compare. Only real way of telling.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Rob84 on September 10, 2011, 10:10:42 am
A simple way to check if your PCV is working properly is to pull the dipstick out slightly when the engine is idling and if the revs start hunting up and down, you know its ok.

HTH  :happy2:
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 10, 2011, 10:20:49 am
A simple way to check if your PCV is working properly is to pull the dipstick out slightly when the engine is idling and if the revs start hunting up and down, you know its ok.

HTH  :happy2:

Good tip.  Oil cap too me thinks
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Deacon on September 10, 2011, 10:39:35 am
My 1.4 Scirocco does it too. Sounds like it's very common across models and engines. Weird!
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 10, 2011, 02:23:32 pm
A simple way to check if your PCV is working properly is to pull the dipstick out slightly when the engine is idling and if the revs start hunting up and down, you know its ok.

HTH  :happy2:

Just removed my dipstick @ idle...

Made no difference, still the odd hiccup and fart and pop...
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 10, 2011, 08:45:19 pm
 I'll give mine ago tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 11, 2011, 09:37:40 am
A simple way to check if your PCV is working properly is to pull the dipstick out slightly when the engine is idling and if the revs start hunting up and down, you know its ok.

HTH  :happy2:

Just removed my dipstick @ idle...

Made no difference, still the odd hiccup and fart and pop...

Air leak?  :sad1:
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: crashdesk on September 12, 2011, 06:11:03 pm
Taking mine to the dealers this week so they can run a few tests. There is also a misfire so could be a few things. Fingers crossed I don't have to part with any money. Need to keep that for mods, not just keeping the car running.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: robdf2 on September 12, 2011, 11:32:53 pm
A simple way to check if your PCV is working properly is to pull the dipstick out slightly when the engine is idling and if the revs start hunting up and down, you know its ok.

HTH  :happy2:

Just removed my dipstick @ idle...

Made no difference, still the odd hiccup and fart and pop...
when i removed by dipstick the engine went to stall and when i ran vcds i had an air leak fault code.
Title: Re: Wobble when idle normal?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 13, 2011, 05:58:53 am

Hmmm   :confused: