MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: geordie56 on September 20, 2011, 09:11:26 pm
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I have been looking into my best options to try and tame the beast a little, what's peoples personal experiences with the Michelin PSS super sport and PS3 and also pirellis PO MO? Cheers for replys in advance.
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Just my view on the PS3, albeit run on a St1 Ed30 are that wet weather wise they are excellent.
Far better than Conti SC2 & then 3 previously run, pre st1 on the car.
The Michies wet weather performance for me just about redeems their bloody hard ride on certain surfaces, they seem to find and amplify every road imperfection in a vertical response. Only on some roads but that's what I feel.
Weirdly in the wet this seems to go and the tyres just grip really good.
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Thanks a lot for your answers pal it's helping me a lot in what I was going to go for anyways. I'd like to hear some more positives on the michies before I take the leap as obviously they arent a cheap tyre but I want good performance.
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What size are you looking at Shaun? Is it for the VMR's?
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I always used Uniroyal Rainsport 2 tyres as wet weather tyres and I rate them highly. Priced well too :happy2:
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Yes Steve I was looking for the vmr's pal 235/35/19 possibly 235/40/18 on the TDs I have semi slicks on just with the weather and the next few track days coming up may be a bit wet. What are you on for the wet Steve?
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After tracking my golf on a very wet, read standing water, at Knutstorp in May with 19" Mich PSS, there's no doubt in my mind that they are by far the best High performance road tyre out there, and they do track days with ease also. Only downside is, and that goes for all tyres, in a very wet track day, remove 1 and only 1 of the dogbones at the rear ARB to maximize the grip in the rear.
But PSS FTW :happy2:
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From the studies I read, the BEST rain tire (High Performace Tire) is Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric. I got to test it in the rain and it is really awesome.
Here is the ADAC test (only on 17 inch tires): http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/reifen/sommerreifen/2010_Sommerreifen_Test_225_45_R17.aspx?ComponentId=29784&SourcePageId=31821
*Edit: "Nass" is water. The lower the grade, the better it is for the "nass" column.
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Eagle Asym II is good, as is the Pilot Supersport.
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Yes Steve I was looking for the vmr's pal 235/35/19 possibly 235/40/18 on the TDs I have semi slicks on just with the weather and the next few track days coming up may be a bit wet. What are you on for the wet Steve?
I have Dunlop SPort Maxx TT's in 235/40/18's size on my road going TD's and use these for the wet track days, been impressed so far :smiley:
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Uniroyal Rainsports. Used by many of my motorsport customers as their wet weather tyre, have used them myself and rate them quite highly.
I have michelin pilot sports and conti sp3 on my cars at present, cant fault either.
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Thanks a lot for all your help guys, much appreciated. I think I am going to go with the michelins just need to get the best price on them now.
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Danish how is the wear rate on tyres when removing the dogbone and doesnt it affect the cornering abilitys on the side which you disconnect if you know what I mean? Obviously it is making the back end a lot softer but all the weight and stress is on one side when cornering if the other side is dissconnected.
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Uniroyal Rainsports. Used by many of my motorsport customers as their wet weather tyre, have used them myself and rate them quite highly.
I've found Rainsport 2 have quite soft sidewalls / narrow flexible tread blocks and take some precision from the steering (this is on a Clio 182 with 205/45/16). Have you experienced anything similar?
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Danish how is the wear rate on tyres when removing the dogbone and doesnt it affect the cornering abilitys on the side which you disconnect if you know what I mean? Obviously it is making the back end a lot softer but all the weight and stress is on one side when cornering if the other side is dissconnected.
What i got explained and i feel i understand is that the harder you make the rear, the less grip you have and therefore goes from understeer over neutral to oversteer like a RWD car. What i experienced in the wet on track with my Autotech rear ARB set at medium was the feeling of a RWD car as i had 4 incidents where i lost the rear (major oversteer :surprised: ) but recovered and a fifth where i ran of the track.
If you disable the rear ARB you get maximum grip at the rear and therefore maximum understeer meaning that you get the best possible situation to recover from.
Actually another source has comfirmed that they do so in danish motorsport, (Yokohama cup and Ferrari challenge cup)
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One of the very best ''wet only'': Nokian ''Z'' G2
The best overall summer 19": Michelin PSS
Will go for the PSS when my SC3 are worn. :happy2:
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What about the goodyear f1 assymetric 2's they seem to be getting excellent reviews everywhere ive been looking.? Has anyone got them?
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I have them on 17" rims. A very good tyre in my opinion. Great in the wet, precise when pressing on, and reasonable noise levels. £103 a corner in my car's size, so quite tolerably priced for the performance.
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What about the goodyear f1 assymetric 2's they seem to be getting excellent reviews everywhere ive been looking.? Has anyone got them?
Yep, I've got them on 17" wheels and can definately recommend them, a very balanced tyre in all aspects.
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i have goodyear pilot sport 3 on the front and goodyear eagle f1 assymetric on the back the only reason i bought the ps3 was because the eagle f1s were out of stock as they were in the middle of changing to assy 2 . I can say ive not noticed much improvment over the goodyears they are both really good tyres but i would probably buy goodyear next time as they are cheaper and seem to do the same job
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i have goodyear pilot sport 3 on the front and goodyear eagle f1 assymetric on the back the only reason i bought the ps3 was because the eagle f1s were out of stock as they were in the middle of changing to assy 2 . I can say ive not noticed much improvment over the goodyears they are both really good tyres but i would probably buy goodyear next time as they are cheaper and seem to do the same job
Hmm, that's a new model, would you care to elaborate more?? :wink:
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i have goodyear pilot sport 3 on the front and goodyear eagle f1 assymetric on the back the only reason i bought the ps3 was because the eagle f1s were out of stock as they were in the middle of changing to assy 2 . I can say ive not noticed much improvment over the goodyears they are both really good tyres but i would probably buy goodyear next time as they are cheaper and seem to do the same job
Hmm, that's a new model, would you care to elaborate more?? :wink:
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i replaced my PS2 with PS3 (18 inch) a year ago (review pending :signLOL:) and really like them.
subjective, but for me
wet : PS3 better than PS2
snow : PS2 better than PS3 (go figure!)
dry : PS2 better than PS3 (marginal but PS2 has better feel/breakaway characteristics as well as a slightly higher limit)
PS3 definitely are harder wearing, but take a few miles to warm up! (very slippy initially)
Id like to try the PSS which would be a bias towards performance (as opposed to ultimate wet weather grip)
PS2/PS3/PSS you arent going to go wrong :happy2:
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snow : PS2 better than PS3 (go figure!)
SNOW on PS tyres ???? :jumping:
ps: like all Michelin PS :happy2:
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Rainsports always seem to get good reviews.
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Well I've ordered the PSS and get them next week so shall let you know my opinions on them. Good I hope as they aren't cheap!
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Well I've ordered the PSS and get them next week so shall let you know my opinions on them. Good I hope as they aren't cheap!
best choice mate :congrats:
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i have goodyear pilot sport 3 on the front and goodyear eagle f1 assymetric on the back the only reason i bought the ps3 was because the eagle f1s were out of stock as they were in the middle of changing to assy 2 . I can say ive not noticed much improvment over the goodyears they are both really good tyres but i would probably buy goodyear next time as they are cheaper and seem to do the same job
Hmm, that's a new model, would you care to elaborate more?? :wink:
Lmao I meant Michelin
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