MK5 Golf GTI
General => Testing and Forum Suggestion Box => Topic started by: VC on April 01, 2009, 08:43:24 pm
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Now that people seem to be modding thick and fast maybe the forum needs a shuffle? threads are getting jumbled re. mods
splintering it maybe like this:
Modification Area
- Interior mods inc Seating/Accessories etc
- Exterior mods inc bodywork/paint etc
- Wheels/Tyres/Brakes/Suspension
- Engine/exhaust/turbo
- Stereo/Speakers/Audio
All standard tech chat stay put and move the modding into ins own space, would make things easier to find and prevent thread tangenting a little?
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That sounds great, reality wear's a different hat i'm afraid, its hard enough trying to get people to post stuff in the loosely described sections we already have.
And one thing i gathered from the other forum, is people really take um bridge at their posts being moved even if its 2 door's down :laugh:
I spot stuff all the time which needs moving, but choose not to as i feel it will take a bit away from the relaxed feeling this place has, unless its blatantly obvious that it is in the wrong place for an answer.
If you have any idea how to get people to post in the right section our ear's are open. :smiley:
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a stick with sh!t on?
gets everyones attention if you wave one of those around :grin:
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Great idea, VC!
TC - I never have any problem whatsoever with posts/topics getting moved because the system always notifies.
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a stick with sh!t on?
gets everyones attention if you wave one of those around :grin:
....Reminds me of something I once witnessed with the Chimpanzees at Regent's Park Zoo. But a looong-ish story and deffo off-topic!
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Great idea, VC!
TC - I never have any problem whatsoever with posts/topics getting moved because the system always notifies.
i agree. i think its a really good idea. :)
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My recent thread on Recaro Sports Seats Covering is deffo a prime candidate for moving to a new section on Interior Modifications.
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My recent thread on Recaro Sports Seats Covering is deffo a prime candidate for moving to a new section on Interior Modifications.
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would be helpful for other members that might want to do this. almost like a knowledge base 8)
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The whole site provides a strong knowledge base - In between banter!
But yes, I think everyone will agree it's an excellent idea and a natural evolution. :happy2:
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I'd be wary of making too many subsections.
There was another GTI forum I went to once and they had so many sections and subsections I gave up trying to navigate them all.
Keep it simple!
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Great idea, VC!
TC - I never have any problem whatsoever with posts/topics getting moved because the system always notifies.
But this place came about because of the post's getting moved on the other forum. Yes i understand they where getting moved to a more general section and on here we cant move them away from the Mk5 :love:
But people just dont like seeing a thread locked sign even if its just a moved to here one.
Its kind of like the rolling road threads, it sets off something in peoples genes. :chicken:
I personally agree, i would like to see separate sections for the stuff VC mentioned and i am sure when PG gets back he can sort something out. I am always very conscious of how this pace originated and why, and it would be nice as the sight grows to avoid the big brother controlling everything feel.
I remember when PG was saying come on lets start a forum, and i was very unsure, and he just said " we will just set it up and let the member's get on with it. This one sentence is what convinced me to help him out with the idea. :smiley:
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Without resurrecting all the past arguments/debates/discussions, I would suggest that it wasn't so much the moving of threads but the friction between some people which resulted in the act of thread moving merely being 'the last straw' and an excuse to kick off.
This site (to date) has none of those undercurrents or clashes.
I think you can get around this possible problem by posting an in-yer-face Please Note that you are thinking of doing this and the good reasons why and say you hope that no members will take it personally but it's for everyone's benefit.
Otherwise you'll never change anything and the site won't evolve to it's own best benefit [sorry for poor English but must dash!]
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wouldn't want any pressure on the mods tho with regards to moving things as thats unfair. the moving wouldnt be necessasry if you just maybe left it to the others to post in the right places as they do now and soon the content found inside will drive the threads into the right areas as people make new ones
but i agree its totally cool the way things are too, and keeping it simple
was only a passing thought, don't wanna make waves with people making forum comparisons :ashamed:
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I think that when you sign up to any forum, you sign up your acceptance that the Mods and Administrators have the absolute right to rearrange the site as they think fit.
Whatever the Mods do, they can never please all the people all of the time. Too many people are resistant to any kind of change irrespective of whether it's to their benefit or not - Comfortably numb!
If this site isn't prepared to accept natural changes, the tail will wag the dog and it will probably gradually become an unwieldy monster over time. Then you'll wake up one morning and wish you'd done differently.
The American GOLFMKV site has the same sort of divisions we are considering in this topic here and it works very well - Clean and simple and easy to navigate/check what you want when you want.
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I doubt that doing this would cause conflict amongst this forum like it did on the 'other forum'. As people say above, the conflict over there was due to many other reasons, and the movement of topics was just the 'icing on the cake'.
Great idea VC, it gets my vote :happy2:
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I doubt that doing this would cause conflict amongst this forum like it did on the 'other forum'. As people say above, the conflict over there was due to many other reasons, and the movement of topics was just the 'icing on the cake'.
Great idea VC, it gets my vote :happy2:
....Exactly.
IIRC, what tipped people over the edge (which they were balancing on anyway) was that the Mods didn't say what they were doing - At least, if they did, it wasn't loud 'n clear enough. But it wasn't directly the Mods Hurdy and Phil's fault - they had their hands tied so to speak. So, communication is the key.
I bet if the site admin post a big enough notice saying words to the effect: "Hi guys, we think that everyone would benefit if we create xxxx areas for x,y,z and we ask you to bear with us and please accept that we may move some existing threads into these new areas. It's all part of our efforts to improve the site and make it an even better resource for all of us - Many Thanks" or similar....I bet that no-one will throw their toys out of their pram.
I'm just expressing my opinion as feedback for you and naturally will accept your decisions [after calling you all arseholes and sulking - Just joking].
Stealth is right that it doesn't want to be over complicated, but it needn't be if you work it out carefully.
HTH,
Robin
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The problem is....its all well and good splintering sections into area related, however people will still predominantly post in the 'general' area - due to habit, or because they believe that is where their topic will get the most views/replies i.e. answer their query the most effectively.
Its almost as if to do this successfully, you need to remove a 'general gti related' chat section altogether - however it seems a bit drastic, and I think would really unbalance the forum.
Its a hard call, so I guess its all about finding that balance between completely changing the layout of the forum, and making something that works. Easier said than done........ :smiley:
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Evening All,
Thanks for all your feedback and keeping Mr Cat and the other mods on there toes in my absence.
I am still away for another few days and then will have a lot of "real" work to catch up with but I will definitely get the wheels in motion on this as I generally agree something needs to be done now to support to the future growth of the site.
The key message like has been said above is to keep it simple and easy to use/understand so any ideas suggestions are welcomed.
The first thing I will do it sort out a better new members guide to support this with so guide/simple guides on where to post relevant info and so details on why we may (from time to time) move some posts to more appropriate sections/areas.
As always please keep the feedback coming and let us know what you and don't like as it really does help to build this site into a great resource for everyone :happy2:
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.........................help to build this site into a great resource for everyone :happy2:
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Being a great RESOURCE is exactly what will keep this site ahead and very much alive and kicking.
Without any need to trash or criticise other sites, I find myself telling people that this is the strongest and best resource site for the Mk5 GTI.
Oh, and what gets learnt here will help build its Mk6GolfGTI sister site.
And if the 'R20T' comes out, a separate area on the Mk6 site might be considered.
[Now I really must return to the VAG Babes finishing my review on Remapping Brain]
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I think part of the reason why people post in the wrong forums is that we dont have many sections, so breaking them down slightly may be a good idea (just dont go crazy with it!)
for the technical area I'd go:
Exterior
Interior
Engine
Drive train
Still straight forward, but gives a clear structure to post with in.
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Hello Guys
I think you are all going a bit weavy here.... The internet is about Links. And these "links" are the way forward I feel in a situation like this.
In the MK5 General Section we have a Sticky thread called FAQ or whateva else you want.
Inside there we categorise the mods and guides... Then link them to guides and discussions posts that have already been made.
That way there is no moving, deleting or locking. Its less strain on the mods and its still extremely useful. Take a look at the VW Vortex guide. This is what I am talking about.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2374154
What you guys think of that idea?
I have to agree with TC. The whole ethos of this site was to correct the mistakes (For want of a better word) that the other forum had. And so far its working well.
Mike
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Ok, Thanks for the feedback everyone. :happy2:
We have some ideas on how to re-structure some of the sections now and a bit of maintenance time will be scheduled where the site will be off-line for a couple hours to complete some of this work.
This will be a gradual process as these things take time (and I do have a day job too :P)
I will keep you all updated on progress and times when the site will be unavailable (this will be kept to a minimum).
Thanks,
SteveP
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That's all very well Mike, but having a general and technical IMO doesn't work, it makes finding information and keeping track of things difficult. If you have a look in general atm there is threads covering everything from indicators to tyre choice to wheels, etc.
Im not saying lets break things down too much, as that is as ridiculous as having general forums, but they obvious choice would be to split it up into the main areas of the car as I said in my previous post.
I agree that the FAQ section works well on vortex as an archive, but lets face it, vortex is a pretty unruly beast with the shear amount of forums it has.
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My concern then is that this forum is growing at a rapid pace.
The link set up works because there is no moving etc. Its all linked as is and it can very easily be split up. Like the Vortex version is set up into Exterior. Interior. Performance and then they have the relevant thread underneath. This does not take a degree in medical sciences to figure out... lol
If you move half the threads into a new section the actual General section (and others consequently) will not only become smaller but also it will get messy.. A bloke posts up a mod of his car and two days later it disappears into the Modifications section because its unique or nobody has seen it before.
I also feel that once a thread is moved there (To the section you talk about) it will become "lost". I think we want the threads to stay active dont you?
Also keep in mind... That Vortex guide is just for the MK5 section... Its not for the other makes, models and cars. We only have one brand and maybe 3 models here to cater for so keeping it tidy will be easy.
Im just throwing some thoughts around... What you think?
Mike
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^^^As I've said before, keep it simple. Making hundreds of sections and child forums etc will only serve to confuse.
There's nothing wrong with a FAQ list eg oils, tyres etc to help newbs.
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It doesnt have to be a FAQ.
It can be:
MK5 Guide - All you need to know
Modifications - Need Help or inspiration
Etc etc etc