MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: prepree on April 03, 2009, 08:15:38 pm
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Hi Guys looking for some help and opinions on air filters/ intakes you have on your GTis....
Iv been looking at the Carbonio on Awesome and have almost decided on this one but i wanted to see if there was anything else worth checking out, Iv seen others such as pipercross and K&N but have leaned towards the Carbonio.
Im looking for more of a throaty noise- which one would you recommend or is there any thing else i should investigate??
RR how do you rate the Carbonio ??
Cheers guys
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If you can hold off buying now, there may be a group buy on the BSH Trueseal intake in the future.
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The Evoms intake is regarded as one of the best out there, it maybe a little more pricey than others but it has been proven that it adss HP and improves the breathing substatially :happy2:
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EVOMs are very pricey... and for 8-10bhp £200+ sounds like a lot of money?
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Don't go for a carbonio just because it looks nice. Everything I've read on here about intakes tells me that you need to get a bigger, better intake (and better exhaust and remap) to get the most out of an upgraded CAI.
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RR how do you rate the Carbonio ??
....The Carbonio is good if you want to keep your engine cover panel filter box, as I did while I was in VW warranty. And it's cool eye-candy but it's relatively quiet and doesn't deliver as much bhp/torque gains as a filter-on-a-stick type.
The new Carbonio/APR for the latest GTI engine looks very promising because it has the filter properly enclosed and in the best ram position.
The problem with filters on sticks is that no-one, including the BSH (as far as limited pics show) have really sealed the filter from the engine heat. There are walled forms which the bonnet roofs over but you can see they aren't air-tight enough.
The GruppeM is probably one of the most efficient but it's mega expensive.
I know of two new air intakes being developed at the moment but I'd have to shoot you afterwards if I told you who the two manufacturers are. So, I'm hanging on to see what comes out.
Air intakes in themselves don't represent big returns for their cost but you have to consider what they contribute within the whole package of performance mods rather than in isolation. Many people unfortunately limit their thinking to how much can they get for their money in isolation.
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Thanks for all your replies guys, i guess at the moment until funds are more forthcoming i just want to have a bit more grunt in sound levels, i appreciate its a piece of the larger puzzle so not looking for drastic gains, i just want some more noise!!
Thanks for the detail RR, much appreciated! It maybe worth hanging on with your "inside" info as well as the potential group buy.
Whats everyone else running??
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I'm looking for a bit more sucky-sucky sound too and don't want too much power gain because my car is nicely balanced at around 240 bhp and I don't want to then have to get aftermarket intercoolers and fuel pumps etc.
The EVOMS sounds very rough and gravelly in my opinion (hated it on vRStu's Skoda) and too many people changed from EVOMS to the Dbilas so I think that EVOMS is no longer flavour of the month!
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"I'm looking for a bit more sucky-sucky sound too"
^^^^Arent we all :happy2:
Exactly what you said im looking for a bit of deep tone, not the gains as at the moment i dont plan on changing pumps and coolers.
Although saying that i witnessed how you were "helped" into your recent purchase!!
Slippery lope yeah? Thanks for your input RR
If any one has any other suggestion let um roll,
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"I'm looking for a bit more sucky-sucky sound too"
^^^^Arent we all :happy2:
Exactly what you said im looking for a bit of deep tone, not the gains as at the moment i dont plan on changing pumps and coolers.
Although saying that i witnessed how you were "helped" into your recent purchase!!
Slippery lope yeah? Thanks for your input RR
If any one has any other suggestion let um roll,
the dbilas has a sucky sound. i like mine.
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the dbilas has a sucky sound. i like mine.
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Cheers Keith, do you have any info??
Cost etc?? How long have you had it on?
Il google it now!!
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Its been on a while now and I am pleased with it, you lose the engine cover mind but thats no great shakes to me, you can buy the evoms replacement one but it looks :sick:. Small animals scurry to the side of the road incase the dbilas sucks them up :grin: but under hard acc you can hear the intake breathing in the air its a strange noise, you can get them form Regal(calm now Red) again pricey.The odd one comes up on ebay now and again.
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I have a PiperCross Viper Kit. It certainly gives a more pronounced "burble" when accelerating. I also get the impression that the turbo whistling noise (when it spins up) is accentuated - but this may be a figment of my imagination.
As far as the stock VW air filter goes - it's very good. It's positioned so that cold air is pushed into the engine. Most others simply suck warm engine cabin air. Remember, cold air is more dense than hot/warm air... so cold air gives u more grunt during combustion.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmodworld.co.uk%2Fcatalog%2Fimages%2Fmain_pipercross-viper.jpg&hash=16413b88ff8b461c471d651133d4412ce41436ef)
The great things about the PiperCross are:
1) Looks great with the Carbon fibre exterior
2) Chrome piping - this in itself dissipates heat and also does not expand with pressure - which increases air flow.
3) Has flexible piping at the other end so u can route cold air feed from lower down in the car.
4) Exceptionally light-weight construction
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Just checked out the Dbilas on regal (Does RR have beef?) £365 aint cheap at all, but i do like!! :happy2:
I quite like the Viper kit as well, priced well and sounds like il get what im after with the "burble" and i guess as an extra bonus i get to keep the engine cover, not that im anal bout that!!
Thanks for info mojo!!
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No 'beef' with Regal which should put anyone else off - I haven't been impressed by their customer service but others I know are very happy.
Yes, I was "helped" further down the slippery slope in my recent purchase, or rather encouraged. But I always wanted some Recaro Sports anyway, especially with my VWR-KW-V3 suspension, but wasn't seeking any and never thought some would come along.
If anyone thinks the Dbilas is expensive, check out the GruppeM - I think it's over £700!!
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Just found the GruppeM, il paste a link below, looks amazing!! but cant afford 78,000 JPY :signLOL:
https://www.gruppem.co.jp/onlinestore_en/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_24&products_id=508
(https://www.gruppem.co.jp/onlinestore_en/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_24&products_id=508)
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Sucky sucky. Me love you long time.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi193.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz267%2Fukdub%2Fcatchcan001.jpg&hash=cc7f282c1353dcb13acff83d4c26c40364efcf4e)
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Anyone tried the BMC CDA intake??
http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/products/product_info.mhtml?product=4004098
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Anyone tried the BMC CDA intake??
http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/products/product_info.mhtml?product=4004098
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.twauto.com.hk%2Fproduct_img%2FBMC%2520CDA%2520for%2520VW%2520Golf%25205%2520GTi.jpg&hash=837f8cc2701c896efc8b550aaf2907b7780c2f8c)
^ The engine cover would have no filter in it ^
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The Pipercross is very similar...you have to remove the aire filter in the engine cover.
Just noticed the oil dip stick is in a different location to mine...interesting :chicken:
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Okay guy's so it looks like you guys prefer the filter on the end of a pipe which on a rolling road gives the best performance gains in Bhp/torque, but the Carbonio works at a higher speed as the Cool air is forced into the air box (ram air) so do any of you now how they perform side by side as its very difficult to measure these 2 system side by side as they work differently, I dont know alot about car engines, but sports bikes work on forced induction and are very difficult to measure Bhp on dyno's as its difficult to mimic the air speed being forced in at high speed. So does anybody know or am I talking out of my A-se :confused:
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VWTroy,
You're absolutely right... personally, I have fitted the induction kit for the acoustics and cosmetic appeal (under the hood).
Realistically, I don't think anyone can expect more the 1-4bhp in normal driving conditions (if you're lucky). Air induction kits aren't all that they are made out to be....
I was fortunate enough to dyno my car with the PiperCross with a great big f*ck off jet fan pumping air at the front. Guess what? The bhp was exactly the same as a stock car - 197. We did the test some 5 times...and like clock work got the same result every time.
Perhaps this explains why 95% of air induction kits never guarantee a specific bhp value increase. The way I look at it is...it's a small piece in the jigsaw puzzle in the overall modding project.
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The Pipercross is very similar...you have to remove the aire filter in the engine cover.
Hmm, if you remove the stock air filter from the air box you lose the air tight seal the filter provides so you'll be sucking up unfiltered air into the turbo/engine. Also there is a drain hole at the bottom of housing, is that blocked off using that intake kit?
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The Pipercross is very similar...you have to remove the aire filter in the engine cover.
Hmm, if you remove the stock air filter from the air box you lose the air tight seal the filter provides so you'll be sucking up unfiltered air into the turbo/engine. Also there is a drain hole at the bottom of housing, is that blocked off using that intake kit?
kwik fix is cut out the sandard filter to leave the rubber seal, and fit that into the groove to seal, then put the cover back 2gether
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The Pipercross is very similar...you have to remove the aire filter in the engine cover.
Hmm, if you remove the stock air filter from the air box you lose the air tight seal the filter provides so you'll be sucking up unfiltered air into the turbo/engine. Also there is a drain hole at the bottom of housing, is that blocked off using that intake kit?
VW replace that air filter in any case as part of their servicing...I suppose it's designed that way...?
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The Pipercross is very similar...you have to remove the aire filter in the engine cover.
Hmm, if you remove the stock air filter from the air box you lose the air tight seal the filter provides so you'll be sucking up unfiltered air into the turbo/engine. Also there is a drain hole at the bottom of housing, is that blocked off using that intake kit?
kwik fix is cut out the sandard filter to leave the rubber seal, and fit that into the groove to seal, then put the cover back 2gether
As part of the Pipercross kit you get a replacement pass thru filter which essentially is the seal with a large mesh to let the air pass through freely.
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As part of the Pipercross kit you get a replacement pass thru filter which essentially is the seal with a large mesh to let the air pass through freely.
What about the water drain hole, is that blocked off?
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IMO the Dbilas is the best design i have seen so far. Not a fan of open filters at all
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IMO the Dbilas is the best design i have seen so far. Not a fan of open filters at all
.... x2 - I'm not a fan of open filters either.
The new Carbonio/APR appears to be a good design and I've heard that APR will be bringing out a FSI engine version to accommodate the different position of the MAF from the later TSI engines it is now available for.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgoapr.com%2FVW%2Fproducts%2Fimages%2Fcarbonio_intake_mkv_tsi_012.jpg&hash=8953d4243a5b19205951ed265aba623988ce2366)
Linky : - Carbonio TSI Intake Info (http://goapr.com/VW/products/intake_carbonio_20tsi.html#)
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£365 aint cheap at all
Especially when 95% of is plastic. Yes you hear me, the pipework is plastic.
The BSH one gets better reviews and is metal pipework, so gonna wait for this groupbuy.