MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: rmstu on October 28, 2011, 01:30:13 pm
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Hi all,
now im new to the vw/audi scene so have patients :scared:, ive posted over in the intro section ive sold my car and had my heart set on a candy edition 30 and still do,i was out and about yesterday and id thought id pop into Audi and there was a black Audi s3 never seen them up close and personnel always deemed them as "nothing special"thought they all looked like a s-line A3.
But i was pleasantly surprised very nice prescence and gorgeous interior.
So im kinda asking has anyone been lucky enough to own both and which youd buy or prefer if you were given the choice, ive read some stuff Jonny C has wrote but id like some feedback from you guys/lasses.
Theres little price between them at the min and i no the S3 has quattro but does this dampen the fun or make it feel planted and even quicker than the edition 30.
please help im going to sort myself some test drives hopefully but the edition 30 arent to close to me.
I am planning on modding as its rude not to.
I no its a vw forum but id appreciate whatever is said and it would be very usefull i havent a clue which to go for.
Thanks all hope you can help me choose.
Stu
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I'm in a similar situation.
Reason for settling on an ED30 was
Fwd, less hassle ad maintenance. Potential extra cost of the haldex 4wd
Cheaper to buy
Actually prefer the look of the ED30 over the S3
5 door ED30 available. (S3 sportback are crazy prices)
Similar performance.
If as you say the prices aren't that much different I might have to take another look at the S3
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I've owned two ED30s and one S3. Even though he ED30 has better steering feel, I'd have an S3 every time, for the 4WD. Only trouble is the five door DSG S3 is nearly twice he price of an equivalent ED30.
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The S3 is the better car overall - Gazbut has owned both.
Reason I got an Eddie was that a.) could not afford a sportback at time. If i had waited I probably could have now! b.) I prefer the exterior looks of the golf, interior on s3 is far superior.
They are both brilliant so whichever you buy you wont regret.
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Yeah gaz has owned both but I think the ed30 was too much of a hand full for him :signLOL: :wink: so he went for safer s3 :laugh:
But they are both great cars and you can't go wrong with either
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I've owned two ED30s and one S3. Even though he ED30 has better steering feel, I'd have an S3 every time, for the 4WD. Only trouble is the five door DSG S3 is nearly twice he price of an equivalent ED30.
Thanks for in put guys I might just stick with my original intent get an Eddie and give the dsg ago.
Oli does the 4wd make the car feel slow or slower than the eddie and could I Eddie use the extra power as good as an S3 when modded 300hp + . I just want it to feel quick not to sensible if that makes sense.
Thanks
Stu.
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there are good reasons to own both
i don't necessarily agree that the Audi's interior is nicer (check my sig to see what i drive btw), and RNS-E is RUBBISH compared to RNS510.
the thing that would swing me towards an S3 is the fact that you can do more with it. i think 300bhp in an Eddy is daft, but an S3 could cope because of the extra driven wheels.
i've driven both and on balance i think i'd have an S3. but there's really not much in it
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I've owned two ED30s and one S3. Even though he ED30 has better steering feel, I'd have an S3 every time, for the 4WD. Only trouble is the five door DSG S3 is nearly twice he price of an equivalent ED30.
Thanks for in put guys I might just stick with my original intent get an Eddie and give the dsg ago.
Oli does the 4wd make the car feel slow or slower than the eddie and could I Eddie use the extra power as good as an S3 when modded 300hp + . I just want it to feel quick not to sensible if that makes sense.
Might open a debate here but..........a s3 would eat an ed30 all day long in every way that matters!!! Theres no way the 4wd makes the s3 feel slow. Bring it on! Stevie.
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oops a can may have been opened here :fighting:
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I'm with Stevie on this! I had a Leon FR before my S3 which was no Ed30 but close enough to a GTI to pass comment. The 4wd continues to impress me, traction is superb in these cold, damp greasy roads. In terms of mods, the S3 has more potential again due to the 4wd. The interior is nice in the golf but the S3's is of better quality.
Performance wise the S3 is slightly heavier but has 15% more power, is quicker off the mark and has a higher top speed. Someone no doubt be along to talk about drive train losses and power to weight ratios soon :wink:.
Bottom line is I could have bought a Ed30 and had a few grand left over, but I chose not to and have not regretted it in the slightest.
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Unbeleivebly I`m trying to make my mind up between an Ed30 and an S3.
I`ve just been looking for a decent Audi forum too . . but can`t find one :grin:
I have experience of Edition 30s and I`m very nearly taken, I know nothing about the S3 but having some time spent in an RS6 recently I wanted an Audi and an S3 is still more money than I want in a car really.
I guess a couple of S3 test drives are needed . . .
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I`ve just been looking for a decent Audi forum too . . but can`t find one :grin:
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/44-new-a3-s3-sportback-8p-chassis/
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I`ve just been looking for a decent Audi forum too . . but can`t find one :grin:
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/44-new-a3-s3-sportback-8p-chassis/
Yeah thanks, I had a look there earlier, seems the best of the bunch though the forum seems a bit slow and jerky, maybe it`s my laptop :ashamed:
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Its hard work aint it neil im looking at eddies for 12K or S3 for £13.5 to £15K so possibly a grang or two in my back pocket for mods,
I also agree there is desperate need for a decent s3 OC or ill be buying a eddie to stay on this site :wink: had a warm welcome and some very help comments, I need to find some S3 local to get some test driving done, took a GTI the other week and i was impressed very smooth and nippy big thumbs up.
Neil let me no how you find the s3 once you test drive them.
cheers stu
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Its hard work aint it neil im looking at eddies for 12K or S3 for £13.5 to £15K so possibly a grang or two in my back pocket for mods,
I also agree there is desperate need for a decent s3 OC or ill be buying a eddie to stay on this site :wink: had a warm welcome and some very help comments, I need to find some S3 local to get some test driving done, took a GTI the other week and i was impressed very smooth and nippy big thumbs up.
Neil let me no how you find the s3 once you test drive them.
cheers stu
Spend that 2k on mods are you will own a car that will make the S3 feel like a KA :signLOL:
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Its hard work aint it neil im looking at eddies for 12K or S3 for £13.5 to £15K so possibly a grang or two in my back pocket for mods,
I also agree there is desperate need for a decent s3 OC or ill be buying a eddie to stay on this site :wink: had a warm welcome and some very help comments, I need to find some S3 local to get some test driving done, took a GTI the other week and i was impressed very smooth and nippy big thumbs up.
Neil let me no how you find the s3 once you test drive them.
cheers stu
Hi Stu, seems we have a similar budget too and it also seems the right ED30 will be easier to find than an S3 :grin:
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Yeah gaz has owned both but I think the ed30 was too much of a hand full for him :signLOL: :wink: so he went for safer s3 :laugh:
But they are both great cars and you can't go wrong with either
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knobhead :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
As Mat very kindly pointed out, I've had both and they are both great cars. If you are going to mod beyond stg1 I would go for the S3 every time, once over that 300bhp mark the 2wd does really struggle to put the power down in anything but perfect conditions and we all know what the weather in the UK is like. :smiley:
just my opinon of course
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S3's seem very expensive for a hot hatch.. However I suppose they do also hold there money very well!
I'd love an S3 but I think if my budget could stretch to £15k I'd get a BMW 335i :evilgrin:
Where as an Edition 30 at around £10-11k for a good 'un would represent better value IMO
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...As for the Leon Cupra mentioned, one with a nice K1 kit certainly offers good value!
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:booty: keep seeing your old car gaz very odd seeing it about
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Where as an Edition 30 at around £10-11k for a good 'un would represent better value IMO
Can you point me to a good un for 10-11k?
All the decent ones I see are at least 13k
I'm after a 5 door manual.
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Also does anyone know the differences between the ED30 and S3 engine
What is different to make them 35bhp apart?
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Also does anyone know the differences between the ED30 and S3 engine
What is different to make them 35bhp apart?
I know that the Ed30 has a smaller intercooler for 1..
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Also does anyone know the differences between the ED30 and S3 engine
What is different to make them 35bhp apart?
As far as I am aware the S3 has a larger intercooler and injectors and obviously is mapped by Audi to accommodate this. I think the internals are also upgraded to cope with the extra power/torque but not 100% on this but they are certainly different to the standard GTI internals. Another thing I'm not sure about as I think it depends on which S3 engine spec you look at, the S3 may have a different cams or at least a different intake cam again this may only be in the later CDL engine??
I'm sure someone will confirm the above or otherwise. Both cars will give a great deal of pleasure and it is a tough choice which most people would love to have the dilemma.
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Hi Stu, seems we have a similar budget too and it also seems the right ED30 will be easier to find than an S3 :grin:
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pretty much neil ive got more just want to keep some money saved for morgage pot, and i agree seems i can get a very well specced eddie or a higher mileage S3, seen a few eddies for about 12k.
search continues.
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Also does anyone know the differences between the ED30 and S3 engine
What is different to make them 35bhp apart?
As far as I am aware the S3 has a larger intercooler and injectors and obviously is mapped by Audi to accommodate this. I think the internals are also upgraded to cope with the extra power/torque but not 100% on this but they are certainly different to the standard GTI internals. Another thing I'm not sure about as I think it depends on which S3 engine spec you look at, the S3 may have a different cams or at least a different intake cam again this may only be in the later CDL engine??
I'm sure someone will confirm the above or otherwise. Both cars will give a great deal of pleasure and it is a tough choice which most people would love to have the dilemma.
Same injectors!
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Well all been looking at S3 and Eddies today and i think im going to stick with the original plan and go with the eddie i love the look exterior and i do like the interior the seats are very nice and confortable.
seen one advertised of 13.5K red eddie full miltek lowered and amd remapped, and with low miles on a 2008 that is some serious low mileage.
search for a nice spec continues with the s3 out of the picture i think.
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Found a Eddie 2008 with 9000 miles on is this too good to be true? The chap selling said its just not been used looks real clean.
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Well if its a year newer than mine and half as many miles as mine then it will be more like new. Mine with 19000 has 2 stone chips that you couldn't find only and no other signs of it being second hand apart from the usual pescara kerb dinks. I hate low profile tyres !
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i was formerly an audi-sport member
mods are t*ssers. some useful information but i left and i'm glad i did because it meant i found this place :happy2:
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i was formerly an audi-sport member
mods are t*ssers. some useful information but i left and i'm glad i did because it meant i found this place :happy2:
Wrong thread but thanks for sharing :signLOL:
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I`ve just been looking for a decent Audi forum too . . but can`t find one :grin:
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/44-new-a3-s3-sportback-8p-chassis/
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I`ve just been looking for a decent Audi forum too . . but can`t find one :grin:
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/44-new-a3-s3-sportback-8p-chassis/
lol my mistake I thought you were referring to the Mk5 birthday appreciation thread.
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Well I'm now fully qualified to comment on this thread :laugh: :laugh:
After having my Ed30 for a few days I would recommend it over an S3 any day :happy2:
The ED30 just seems to be more refined in both suspension and engine wise on normal day to day driving. Dont get me wrong the S3 is a great car and you would probably be just as happy owning one over a ED30 but for me the ED30 ticks more boxes than the S3.
But if you can have a good test drive in both and make your own mind up :happy2:
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Well I'm now fully qualified to comment on this thread :laugh: :laugh:
After having my Ed30 for a few days I would recommend it over an S3 any day :happy2:
The ED30 just seems to be more refined in both suspension and engine wise on normal day to day driving. Dont get me wrong the S3 is a great car and you would probably be just as happy owning one over a ED30 but for me the ED30 ticks more boxes than the S3.
But if you can have a good test drive in both and make your own mind up :happy2:
Thanks for the feed back buddy, after having a look round at weekend i instantly took to the eddition 30 myself so thats the route im going down now (my original choice) im looking forward to buying one now, fingers crossed this weekend. :smiley:
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I looked at S3's too, several 07 plates and a 57 plate, but I wanted DSG ideally in case my mother wanted to borrow the car as im away frequently, when considering this the Eddie is really the only option as Tiptronic (AUDI name for DSG lol) versions were like 3K more for older car with more miles, this 3k difference coupled with the fact that i thought the S3 looked quite bland made me choose the Eddie, and having driven both i dont regret it, fair enuff from standing start S3 will wave goodbye to Ed30 but from 30mph up the cars felt exactly the same to me in fact eddie felt a little quicker, probably something to so with not towing around all the extra weight of 4wd!?.
For me the Ed30 looks better, nicer interior and they are less common, i have owned my Ed30 for just over 2 weeks now and i have not seen one in that time, but i have seen 4 S3's (All in black!).
Get an Ed30 but dont be fooled into paying over the odds, its a buyers market currently!! (Sorry sellers), I paid £2k less than original advertised price for mine (Admittedly he reduced it by £1k the week that viewed/bought it, but i still got another £1k knocked off!!).
Current market rates it seems would be upto 11K for poverty spec 08 plates with DSG, upto £500 more for top spec, but no higher, in fact Glass's guide puts a 08 plate DSG with ave mileage at around £12K and Cap Clean is around £11850.
I see 07 and 57 plates being advertised at £12.5 to £13K and think maybe after a month or two buyers will realise and drop the price to sell.
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audi's name for DSG is S-tronic, and 57 is too early to find a DSG S3 as the earliest would have been on an 08 plate... so not exactly sure what you were looking at?
S3s are still more expensive, expect to pay around £18k for a DSG S3 with low - average miles, and yes it'll feel slower than the Eddy but the figures i.e. 0 - 60 show that it's quicker. i don't think quattro is necessary if you're not going to map the car, so then the Ed30 would be a better choice - but if you are it's hard to argue with having 2 extra driven wheels
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Facelift S3 with S-tronic for £18k ? Where you seen that then ? (without 90k +)
Chris.
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there's one Condor grey car from a trade seller that's been on the 'Trader for months at around £20k. i reckon you could haggle it down to £18k
Audi are struggling to shift them too so there are bargains to be had - Stoke Audi has a car i was SO tempted with had i not been going back to uni next year. 60 reg 3dr Black Edition (special wheels, black grille, rear tints, BOSE and BT) with exclusive leather, auto lights/wipers and is a later car so RNS-E as standard with 2500 miles, been a demonstrator there since Dec and they can't sell it. they've just dropped the price by £1k to £25950, i reckon you could beat them down to £24k if you wanted - for basically a brand new S3 Black Ed? that's an absolute steal.
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Am looking with half an eye for my next car. Think its going to be an S3 or maybe a mk6 GTI. Trouble is I want a 5 door and the S3 sportbacks with the spec I want are out of reach. Even the mk6's with a decent spec are holding their value really well. I recall buying my car when it was 3 years old for £13k. The mk6's are almost 3 years old and still hovering around the £20k mark.
Anyone know how the mk6 sales figures compare with the mk5? There doesn't seem to be as many around as there was mk5's when I was looking a while ago.
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@sub, that grey ones not an s-tronic mind. Looks like 17-18 buys a facelift though.
Chris.
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http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201139418438368/sort/priceasc/usedcars/transmission/automatic/model/s3/make/audi/postcode/st47dw/radius/1501/page/1?logcode=p
sorry it was more like £21k... but you get the point, that car has been sat for a while and i would bid him £18k. he'd say no but you'd get a decent chunk off considering that it has been sat there for at least 3 months
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audi's name for DSG is S-tronic, and 57 is too early to find a DSG S3 as the earliest would have been on an 08 plate... so not exactly sure what you were looking at?
S3s are still more expensive, expect to pay around £18k for a DSG S3 with low - average miles, and yes it'll feel slower than the Eddy but the figures i.e. 0 - 60 show that it's quicker. i don't think quattro is necessary if you're not going to map the car, so then the Ed30 would be a better choice - but if you are it's hard to argue with having 2 extra driven wheels
The 57 plate S3 was MANUAL, hence my post about wanting DSG and not paying loads more for S-tronic, Tiptronic, DSG version (All the same flamin thing in my mind LMAO).
Aside from the Extra Maintenance costs, extra weight, Higher purchase prices, slightly quicker 0-60 times (But quicker in gear times for eddie above 30mph) and poorer fuel economy, yeah i suppose its hard to argue against it :drinking:
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Hmm, but the higher purchase price is a reflection of the fact that you're buying a current shape S3 versus a previous shape Eddy. Servicing costs are the same - Audi has the same fixed price servicing charges as VW. In any event, you could take it to a specialist. And be realistic, you don't buy either car for fuel economy.
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It was a consideration in my decision along with all the above points mentioned, purely and simply my decision was made based on above factors, new shape old shape, it really makes no diff to me, its what i like, but main point being DSG was required/preferred. For the sake of this foorum, think we should agree to disagree on this one as it sounds like he has already decided on an Ed30 anyway :happy2:
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Yep got my heart set on a edition 30 hopefully going to put a deposit down tomoz on one then ill be picking up week on saturday :smiley:
thanks for all your input its been a great help in the end it come down to my budget can buy a very well specced and low mileage eddie over a slightly older higher mileage S3 however i still like the S3 especially the back edition.
Stu