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Title: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 05, 2011, 06:46:17 am
My car isn't making as much boost as it should, so looking at what this
could be caused by

I've got a revision d diverted valve, new pcv. I will check all inter cooler hoses etc. foam air filter needs a clean

If it is the turbo, is it hard to remove? Any guides about?
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: edd666999 on November 05, 2011, 07:06:28 am
mapped? who's map?

any other mods?

Any logs to show us?

When doesn't it make boost in the rev range?
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 05, 2011, 06:00:25 pm
mapped? who's map?

any other mods?

Any logs to show us?

When doesn't it make boost in the rev range?

Yes mapped with bluefin. Mods include carbonio intake, forge twintercooler, miltek sports cat, and tbe.

Was logged by jody at midlandvw. Will post logs of actual/specified vs rpm
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: edd666999 on November 05, 2011, 06:35:30 pm
Ed30 or gti
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: QD MBE on November 05, 2011, 06:46:53 pm
Take the map off, revert to STD and do some logging with VCDS.  If you don't have the cable, look in the VCDS section and find someone close to you who may assist.

Don't write off the Turbo yet, lots of other possibles.  The BF map is renown for being annoyingly playful.
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 06, 2011, 05:55:09 am
Ed30 or gti

Gti
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: edd666999 on November 06, 2011, 06:01:12 am
Get it logged standard, if its ok, you might be having the same issue i did with the BF map.

Mine would over boost, then just die around 4k, changed to REVO and no isssues
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 06, 2011, 10:42:15 am
What sort of boost should it be requesting and making?
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 06, 2011, 12:12:34 pm
Get it logged standard, if its ok, you might be having the same issue i did with the BF map.

Mine would over boost, then just die around 4k, changed to REVO and no isssues

Just going to do this now
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: R-tech-Nick on November 06, 2011, 01:21:50 pm


What where the finding of the log?

Is the ecu asking for the load and the hardware not giving it, ie N75 duty cycle 95%+

I would not fit a new turbo yet, not until you know 100% what this issues are.  We use scopes to look in to the turbo via the lambda boss and the DV location.

I have also found the D valves to leak and bleed boost off.

Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 06, 2011, 07:51:56 pm


What where the finding of the log?

Is the ecu asking for the load and the hardware not giving it, ie N75 duty cycle 95%+

I would not fit a new turbo yet, not until you know 100% what this issues are.  We use scopes to look in to the turbo via the lambda boss and the DV location.

I have also found the D valves to leak and bleed boost off.

Can't post Csv files here.

Nick, if I send them to you, could you have a look?

Car definately much slower without bluefin on though
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: gillm on November 06, 2011, 07:59:16 pm
im going threw the same issues as you at the mo but mine is a different turbo . boost to 5 psi then nothing threw the rev range , im hoping its something simple but i fear its the turbo :( as for removing them i found it a right pain when doing my swap . hope its something simple . on std ko3 sometimes the manifolds crack which could be your problem . i have a ko3 in the loft if needed
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 06, 2011, 08:55:57 pm
im going threw the same issues as you at the mo but mine is a different turbo . boost to 5 psi then nothing threw the rev range , im hoping its something simple but i fear its the turbo :( as for removing them i found it a right pain when doing my swap . hope its something simple . on std ko3 sometimes the manifolds crack which could be your problem . i have a ko3 in the loft if needed

I guess you've changed the pcv and divertor valve?

What turbo you got? Ko4/hybrid?

Out of interest, what was with your ko3?
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: gillm on November 06, 2011, 08:57:45 pm
i have a gt28 , i have the pcv fix and using a completly different dv set up , nowt wrong with my old turbo just upgraded
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 06, 2011, 09:14:47 pm
i have a gt28 , i have the pcv fix and using a completly different dv set up , nowt wrong with my old turbo just upgraded

How much would you want?
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: gillm on November 06, 2011, 09:24:37 pm
i put it on ebay tonight for 200 quid mate
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 07, 2011, 03:22:56 pm
i put it on ebay tonight for 200 quid mate

How hard is it to change over the turbo?

Any guides?
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: bacillus on November 07, 2011, 03:44:53 pm
If you have access to a lift then the replacement isn't too bad if you have the tools. It's possible to do with the car on axle stands but I wouldn't recommend it...
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 07, 2011, 10:10:58 pm


What where the finding of the log?

Is the ecu asking for the load and the hardware not giving it, ie N75 duty cycle 95%+

I would not fit a new turbo yet, not until you know 100% what this issues are.  We use scopes to look in to the turbo via the lambda boss and the DV location.

I have also found the D valves to leak and bleed boost off.



Please see links to logs

With Bluefinhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AilKf7s4AxAOdE1NVFVndDZOMTBpWEZQRmhPa1pHb0E (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AilKf7s4AxAOdE1NVFVndDZOMTBpWEZQRmhPa1pHb0E)

Back to standardhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AilKf7s4AxAOdFRxdWhuNTFsLTc2UTNTczRNelJCaUE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AilKf7s4AxAOdFRxdWhuNTFsLTc2UTNTczRNelJCaUE)
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 10, 2011, 04:39:38 pm
I'm going to get the car in the ramps on Saturday to check all pipe work and the divertor valve. I'm hoping it's just something simple

Had jody at midlandvw look at the logs, he says on standard map it seems to be boosting ok and meeting the request, but mapped it doesnt
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: R-tech-Nick on November 11, 2011, 12:01:34 pm
From what I can see both tuned and stock maps are making the same top end load.  What fuel are you using?


We are based in the Midlands you more than welcome to pop down so i can do a log and visual check for you.
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 11, 2011, 04:37:53 pm
From what I can see both tuned and stock maps are making the same top end load.  What fuel are you using?


We are based in the Midlands you more than welcome to pop down so i can do a log and visual check for you.

Car is always ran with either v-power or tesco momentum.

Please check pm
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 13, 2011, 12:27:13 am
Leak found in  pipe fittings to the original intercooler, they were missing the o-rings , causing boost leaks. It looks like when the twintercooler was fitted they left the rings out

New o-rings fitted and the car feels a lot better

Will get some logs done in the morning
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: gillm on November 13, 2011, 11:58:10 am
thats great news , which mine was that simple
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 13, 2011, 12:16:28 pm
thats great news , which mine was that simple

I was over the moon, pulls a lot harder, wants to spin the wheels every time I floor it
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 13, 2011, 01:30:10 pm
New log

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AilKf7s4AxAOdDZ4aXc4ZFo3MlJLd2Q1b0VsTzJJMHc&hl=en_US#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AilKf7s4AxAOdDZ4aXc4ZFo3MlJLd2Q1b0VsTzJJMHc&hl=en_US#gid=0)
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: bacillus on November 13, 2011, 02:56:14 pm
Is this a stage 1 map?
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: b21playa on November 13, 2011, 09:04:33 pm
Is this a stage 1 map?

Think it's a stage 2, was already done before I got car
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: edd666999 on November 15, 2011, 05:54:14 am
New log

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AilKf7s4AxAOdDZ4aXc4ZFo3MlJLd2Q1b0VsTzJJMHc&hl=en_US#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AilKf7s4AxAOdDZ4aXc4ZFo3MlJLd2Q1b0VsTzJJMHc&hl=en_US#gid=0)

That look almost identical to the map they sent me. Overboost pretty much all the time.

Basically stage 1 bluefin is great, they never, after 17files got it to actually run correctly on my car. Revo was perfect 1st time.

I am however not exactly qualified to say its defo the map thats causing your issue could be many other things im sure.

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18519.0.html look at my post.
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: R-tech-Nick on November 17, 2011, 10:57:09 pm
New log

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AilKf7s4AxAOdDZ4aXc4ZFo3MlJLd2Q1b0VsTzJJMHc&hl=en_US#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AilKf7s4AxAOdDZ4aXc4ZFo3MlJLd2Q1b0VsTzJJMHc&hl=en_US#gid=0)

That look almost identical to the map they sent me. Overboost pretty much all the time.

Basically stage 1 bluefin is great, they never, after 17files got it to actually run correctly on my car. Revo was perfect 1st time.

I am however not exactly qualified to say its defo the map thats causing your issue could be many other things im sure.

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18519.0.html look at my post.

Superchips "lets try that" desktop remapping vs  Revo actuall real time "tuning" 

Ever wonder why superchip tune every car out there, and Revo stick with just VAG (and ME9 Ford).. :wink:
Title: Re: Changing turbo - low boost
Post by: acko2204 on February 07, 2019, 10:30:46 pm


What where the finding of the log?

Is the ecu asking for the load and the hardware not giving it, ie N75 duty cycle 95%+

I would not fit a new turbo yet, not until you know 100% what this issues are.  We use scopes to look in to the turbo via the lambda boss and the DV location.

I have also found the D valves to leak and bleed boost off.

Should all N75 duty cycles request 95% + And then start declining as boost is applied