MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: xxx_mojo_xxx on April 10, 2009, 11:08:02 am
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Hi,
Current project in progress includes:
- OSIR lip spoiler
- R32 side skirts
- R32 rear bumper
- ECS torque arm insert
- Milltek exhaust
Understandly I had to get my body trims painted. So I dropped them off to reputable bodyshop. They took the chasis number (at the front of the car) and the paint code from some where in boot - wasn't looking.
The brief was to get a good colour match and finish on all parts.
Yesterday (after a weeks wait) I picked up the parts. At first inspection I was really pleased with the finish. With a spring in my stride I took the parts to the TTShop where I was getting everything fitted.
To cut to the chase...
Disappointment 1 - An hour into the fitting I was told the wrong exhaust had been delivered. I was told that I would have to wait until next Tuesday for the correct one to arrive. :confused:
Disappoinment 2 - I decided to wander into the workshop to have a look at how things looked. Took a glance at the front spoiler and I noticed a difference in the colour shade. The new front spoiler was subtly lighter.
I suggested we hold-off fitting any of the other parts so I could get them checked. Besides I needed to come back for the exhaust. By this time my original side skirts had been removed... arrrrggghhh :angry015:
So what did the bodyshop have to say...well they said the paint was as per the colour code and that there was very little that they can do apart from blend the colour into the other panels of the car - which I'm very, very reluctant to do....
I decided to phone a VW approved bodyshop and they confirmed that I had the correct part code for the car...but they did say that all cars have subtly different shades and that they usually paint a couple of samples to get the best paint match. So, I asked how do you make the different shades...and the answer was a load of evasive waffle....
I got to get this sorted...but reluctant to take it to the VW bodyshop...as I'd expect them to charge somewhere around £400-600 on top of what I have already paid - assuming the current body shop can't get the colour sorted...
Looking for suggestions/ideas?
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I am afraid it comes with the territory of getting bits sprayed especially plastic bits, all or most body shops blend in the paint work onto the next panels. :rolleye:
All this being said a really good body shop will endeavor to match the colours correctly.
I have had my skirts painted and the colour does not match perfectly, but even my petrol cap is a completely different shade and that's factory. :chicken:
Your choices are see how it looks when its all finished and polished, it should look better, or go to a top end body shop who will be able to match it and will blend it in seamlessly. but you will be paying for this.
I dont think its possible to spray the parts off the car bolt them on and have a perfect match, i just dont think it's as straight forward as that :smiley:
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Thanks TopCat!
The plan is that I get the bits fitted on Tuesday and then take the car back to the original bodyshop to try and get a closer match to the original colour....
I don't think I'm being fussy when the paint match is as poor as below... (apologies for the photo quality - pic taken from my mobile)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnm6xcq.blu.livefilestore.com%2Fy1p_CdTRys2AupDCrOCiQj2RNttO0E5p0ExyMGuxfA-KfBSBGJPUBKfNs3Uk9NrG2pWyP38JahOXW8z2GP4CD9UCH-Me_HMZyH2%2FPoor%2520Paint%2520Match.jpg&hash=a061876a5007d374fc69d932fe832e296e300f50)
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Wow that does look bad. :chicken:
If it all turns into a disaster like my bits that got sprayed then give us a call, i have found a great body shop near me who will give you that extra bit of perfectionism that we all suffer from on here. :smiley:
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Thats quite a bad match !!, even though they used the correct code they should have tried it to see what the match was like
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Take that back mate, any decent body shop shouldn't have even let the car leave the body shop with a difference to that extent, imagine if it'd been a quarter that needed doing and it came out like that, I certainly wouldn't have it.
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Body shops will generally want to blend the panels to stop this problem. The problem is there are so many variations of the colours that its almost impossible to match a panel. For example, when i had mine colour coded, there were 17 variations of diamond black pearl. The test panels went along the lines of, more red, more blue, darker, lighter etc etc. In the end i had to have it blended as the match was always slightly out. I now cannot see any difference and have no idea where the blending ends.
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yup you're gunna need the parts blended into the main panels as you're metallic
tis a bad match though, surely the bodyshop should be able to see that (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mysmiley.net%2Fimgs%2Fsmile%2Frolleye%2Frolleye0011.gif&hash=1ebdfcc9256a7a7ac37d33fcf444a4eee29dc371)
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Going to havreto wait until next week when I get the remaining bits back... I'm going to have to hold back on what I say to the body shop...I'm hoping diplomacy will get me the results I'm after...
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Surely any tradesman worth his salt should see that what he is doing is not matching and get it sorted! That is just not on. :surprised:
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When I scraped my car (two weeks after buying it) across both doors, I was gutted. But took it to a bodyshop that specialises in higher-end cars like Audis, Porsches, Jags etc and it cost me £500 to fix. Yup £500.
Soon after I'd had the respray, I told a coupla mates I scraped one of the doors and had it resprayed. Neither of them could tell me which one it was, even with £££ riding on it.
Moral of the story: If you want a perfect job, you'd better dig deep and pay top dollar for it.
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There are different variants to most colours.
The bodyshop needs to check these variants against the actual paint on the car to see which one matches best.
Saying this you never get a perfect match from plastic to metal panel eg bumper to wing as the paint sits slightly different.
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These three different variants you talk about - what additional colours do they mix in to get the three variants?
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These three different variants you talk about - what additional colours do they mix in to get the three variants?
There isnt necesserly 3 variants. There could be more or less.
The paint mixing scheme they have tells them how to mix.
The dont mix in additional colours to the original formula.
Hope this makes sense.
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Still don't understand...when mixing the paint they must have to blend in a number of different substances/colours?
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My father runs a body shop and doesn't mix his own paint, can't see the point costing, space wise and liability wise. He purchases his paint from a paint wholesaler (VRS) in his case and I can't image this body shop being any different unless it's something like chartwells or another similar sized company who are regulated repairers for Ferrari, Lamborghini, masserati etc where they tend to keep everything in house.
Bet its just a case of the paint turning up and them getting it out as soon as possible.
Have you taken it back to see what they have said about it?
Luke
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I hate having bits sprayed on cars. I had a full Caractere kit fitted to on of my first MKV's, I went through 4 body shops before I was happy. I ended up paying top dollar at a place that speciailised in Ferrari/Lamborghini :sick:
That match looks shocking mate, you could do better than that with spray cans from Halfrauds :surprised:
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My father runs a body shop and doesn't mix his own paint, can't see the point costing, space wise and liability wise. He purchases his paint from a paint wholesaler (VRS) in his case and I can't image this body shop being any different unless it's something like chartwells or another similar sized company who are regulated repairers for Ferrari, Lamborghini, masserati etc where they tend to keep everything in house.
Bet its just a case of the paint turning up and them getting it out as soon as possible.
Have you taken it back to see what they have said about it?
Luke
Body shop has told me that they have used the paint code as per the one against the chassis number... but when I spoke to VW they said they have to blend a few variants to get a good colour match...whatever that means...
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Mojo not sure how far away you are from Rochdale but there is a company called PanelCare that I can highly recommend. Speak to Jake Walsh hes over on uk-mkivs.net (http://uk-mkivs.net) he uses a system called Dupont you've probably heard of it but they dont use the colour codes they have a camera that basically goes on the body of your car and they take pictures of different areas then they place it in a dock and the Pc program tells them the best match and it may not be even a vw colour but it will match perfectly.
Darren
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I had a hit and run on my ed30 and the body shop pulled of a blinder, you cant tell its had two doors painted I was well chuffed.
What you need to take into account when getting bits sprayed is
1 - the year of your car, if the car is 2 year old the paint will have weathered somewhat in that time, so fresh paint will differ
2- factory paints will differ from body shops as they maybe the same paint code but the ingredients maybe from differnet suppliers.taking into account inferior paint costs etc..
a classic case of this is the MKII Leon FR/cupra (any mode)l, a brand new car but look closely espec the silver & red versions and you will notice a slight difference. Its more noticeable under a camera flash it really stands out.Seat advised this is due to the body work being sprayed in one country and the bumpers another, same paint code diff supplier of ingredients.
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Mojo not sure how far away you are from Rochdale but there is a company called PanelCare that I can highly recommend. Speak to Jake Walsh hes over on uk-mkivs.net (http://uk-mkivs.net) he uses a system called Dupont you've probably heard of it but they dont use the colour codes they have a camera that basically goes on the body of your car and they take pictures of different areas then they place it in a dock and the Pc program tells them the best match and it may not be even a vw colour but it will match perfectly.
Darren
Rochdale is a bit of a trek from Luton...over 200 miles I think. Thanks for the advice though. I think the body shop did mention they use "DuPont" but they used the chassis no to mix the paint rather than use the camera.
I'm going to get the side skirts fitted and then ask them to repaint the bits whilst on the car. But I will make a point that they minimise blending on to the existing panels and also do the "camera" paint match...