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Title: tyre question
Post by: gti yorks on November 26, 2011, 12:33:42 pm
i have bought myself some michelin ps3 of ebay and they turned up today, my question is, can i put new tyres on the front or should i move my rear ones to the front??? i have conti 3's on the rear which are not that old, they have about 6-7m on them.

i did see the answer to my question on here a few weeks ago, but cant find it now, sorry  :ashamed: :ashamed:
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: alexperkins on November 26, 2011, 12:36:01 pm
Rears last a lot longer compared to fronts so the decision really comes down to you
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: gti yorks on November 26, 2011, 12:40:10 pm
Rears last a lot longer compared to fronts so the decision really comes down to you

yeah but i thought i read somewhere that its safer to have have tyres with the most tread on the rear, maybe i just dreamt it and am being a bit stupid :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: alexperkins on November 26, 2011, 12:40:53 pm
Well its better to have tyres with tread than no tread, but all tyres wear down over time!
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: gti yorks on November 26, 2011, 12:45:23 pm
i never knew that, thanks for the info :rolleye:
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: alexperkins on November 26, 2011, 12:46:18 pm
 :signLOL: no problem  :happy2:

FYI i swapped my fronts and rears 6 months ago and have had no problems
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: Tamiyoman on November 26, 2011, 12:47:09 pm
I wold say better to have Tyres with most tread on the front driven wheels, especially with winter coming and with standing water they hit puddles 1st.
I just had my new tyres on front and left the rears as they were, they also have 6mm on rears although are cheapo tyres on rear, once they wear out a bit more i will put some Toyo T1R on the rear to match the fronts, can't go wrong with T1R, been using them for 5 years.
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: Gene Hunt on November 26, 2011, 01:18:11 pm
Rears last a lot longer compared to fronts so the decision really comes down to you
........as above but why didn't you get the same brand as the rears & match them up?. I run the same brand all round.
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: gti yorks on November 26, 2011, 03:45:13 pm
Rears last a lot longer compared to fronts so the decision really comes down to you
........as above but why didn't you get the same brand as the rears & match them up?. I run the same brand all round.

i like michelin pilot sport tyres, had them on my previous car and they performed well, but the continental tyres i have are also good, just personal preference really. i plan on replacing the other 2 with michelin ps3's when they are worn out
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: LouCyffer on November 26, 2011, 03:50:08 pm
I know what you're thinking re your original question. Conventional wisdom says most tread on the front. However I've recently read in a couple of places the idea that the tyres with most tread should be on the rear. I recall it was with regard to braking stability, particularly in the wet.

Given that your Contis have 5-6mm and a new tyre these days has a max of 8mm, I'd not expect much difference whichever were on the front. I'd probably stick the Contis on the front to wear them out first & then replace them with PS3s  :happy2:
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: gti yorks on November 26, 2011, 04:06:16 pm
I know what you're thinking re your original question. Conventional wisdom says most tread on the front. However I've recently read in a couple of places the idea that the tyres with most tread should be on the rear. I recall it was with regard to braking stability, particularly in the wet.

Given that your Contis have 5-6mm and a new tyre these days has a max of 8mm, I'd not expect much difference whichever were on the front. I'd probably stick the Contis on the front to wear them out first & then replace them with PS3s  :happy2:

thankyou LouCyffer, i thought i was goin mad for a minute, i knew i had read something like that somewhere. :happy2:  :drinking:

i have been out and had the michelins fitted and have swapped my contis over to the front, the contis have got just over 6m on them.
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: LouCyffer on November 26, 2011, 04:29:23 pm
You're welcome, buddy. My mate works at a national tyre fitting chain, & he says most tread should go to the rear. :happy2:
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: E30Dom on November 26, 2011, 04:44:01 pm
They say put newer tyres on rear as the thinking is better to have under steer than over steer, but I doubt you would notice much difference with relatively new tyres...
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: AdeMcG on November 26, 2011, 04:58:41 pm
They say put newer tyres on rear as the thinking is better to have under steer than over steer, but I doubt you would notice much difference with relatively new tyres...

+1

On a Front Wheel Drive car, the relatively new advice was to put the new tyres on the rear and shift your old tyres to the front.
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: ub7rm on November 26, 2011, 05:43:52 pm
The argument for more tread on the front as said is that understeer is easier to control than oversteer (rear overtaking you as you go round a corner).  Which is perfectly valid and logical.

I know my driving style & the cars limits and choose to put the best tread on the front as the front does all the accelerating, steering and the lions share of the braking.  On a RWD car I think the best tread on the back is a more persuasive argument.

As a back up, a car with ESP will be able to compensate to some extent should the unfortunate happen.

Other opinions will differ  :happy2:
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: alackofspeed on November 26, 2011, 06:46:13 pm
Tread depth is only one factor. As tyres age and suffer performance degredation irrespective of tread depth, thus if you have 2 tyres of the same type and tread depth but one is 1 year newer, the newer tyre will have better adhesion.

Best bet with the modern ESP systems seems to be to rotate the tyres to wear out at the same time, and not mix and match tread / age / manufacturer - my car's ESP was a complete pain in the butt when for a month or so I had different tyres front to rear.

I'd stick the new tyres on the rear.
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: m4t_lee on November 26, 2011, 09:07:50 pm
I've always put the new tyres on the rear, keeps them fresh by rotating them and I'd rather try and correct understeer than get the backend step out on me due to lack of grip.
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: the bruce on November 26, 2011, 10:02:41 pm
Tread depth is only one factor. As tyres age and suffer performance degredation irrespective of tread depth, thus if you have 2 tyres of the same type and tread depth but one is 1 year newer, the newer tyre will have better adhesion.

Best bet with the modern ESP systems seems to be to rotate the tyres to wear out at the same time, and not mix and match tread / age / manufacturer - my car's ESP was a complete pain in the butt when for a month or so I had different tyres front to rear.

I'd stick the new tyres on the rear.

 :happy2: :happy2:

I've always put the new tyres on the rear, keeps them fresh by rotating them and I'd rather try and correct understeer than get the backend step out on me due to lack of grip.

no good idea

Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: vRS_Pagey on November 27, 2011, 09:26:55 pm
This was done to death recently, there is a video showing the benefits of having newer tread on the rear.  Personally, that's what I do.  :wink:

Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: the bruce on November 27, 2011, 10:39:00 pm
Best to have similar good tyres both front and rear.
The only way to achieve this is to fit the better pair to front
where you have more wear on a FWD.

On a FWD I would NEVER fit the better tyres to the rear.  :wink:
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: sundance on November 28, 2011, 12:24:29 pm
Given that your Contis have 5-6mm and a new tyre these days has a max of 8mm, I'd not expect much difference whichever were on the front. I'd probably stick the Contis on the front to wear them out first & then replace them with PS3s  :happy2:

Exactly what I have done!  :happy2:  I have moved the Bridgestone Potenza S02A to the front of the car and put a new set of PS3s on the back.  As soon as the Potenza's wear out, I'll replace with PS3 and have an all-Michelin setup  :driver:
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: vRS_Pagey on November 28, 2011, 01:24:57 pm
I thought the video made it clear what the best set up is tbh, but each to their own.
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: sundance on November 28, 2011, 04:27:29 pm
I should add in my case the Bridgestones (which have been relocated to the front) have 5mm  -  so plenty of tread.  8mm on the back with the PS3s.  As soon as the Bridgeys hit 3mm they will be promptly disposed of ;)
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: higher1 on November 28, 2011, 04:47:36 pm
I thought the video made it clear what the best set up is tbh, but each to their own.

+1
Title: Re: tyre question
Post by: Mk5 GTian on November 28, 2011, 05:49:52 pm
I've just put new Pirelli P Zero Rosso's on front, and kept old ones with less grip on the back. It's a front wheel drive, so I reckon grip on the front is more important.