MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: MitchGTI on November 30, 2011, 02:40:58 pm
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well its time that i feel like i need a change again and ive had the jetta nerly a year now... started down the mod route but board now so want some thing practical but has abit of go in it... so ive narrowed it down to these two the VRS which will be as big as my jetta but goes alot better and could get the pram in no problem or go for a mk5 gti again but 5 door but not sure on the boot space! also can get a better spec vrs for the same money as a mk5 gti.... hmm what to do??
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Wow, that's a difficult decision....... :grin:
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VRS if pram and boot space needed. I do prefer the look of the golf if I am honest but cost and options meant the Octavia won. Plus I have an estate Octavia and golf estates are just wrong :sick:
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This will not go down very well on here but here goes .... the vRS is better built than the MK5 Golf and is much more practical for a pram etc.
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This will not go down very well on here but here goes .... the vRS is better built than the MK5 Golf and is much more practical for a pram etc.
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:mad: I N C O M I N G !
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This will not go down very well on here but here goes .... the vRS is better built than the MK5 Golf and is much more practical for a pram etc.
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well its time that i feel like i need a change again and ive had the jetta nerly a year now... started down the mod route but board now so want some thing practical but has abit of go in it... so ive narrowed it down to these two the VRS which will be as big as my jetta but goes alot better and could get the pram in no problem or go for a mk5 gti again but 5 door but not sure on the boot space! also can get a better spec vrs for the same money as a mk5 gti.... hmm what to do??
Rather a loaded question given the forum :signLOL:
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Indeed, maybe the OP should ask the same question here - http://briskoda.net/forums/forum/28-skoda-octavia-ii/ :wink:
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it's a can of worms! in volkswagen owned brands the cheapest hence poorest quality would be in quality ascending order skoda-seat-volkswagen-audi-bugatti, lamborginin, bentley, porsche etc and others :wink:
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Easy call. Octavia all day long.
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it's a can of worms! in volkswagen owned brands the cheapest hence poorest quality would be in quality ascending order skoda-seat-volkswagen-audi-bugatti, lamborginin, bentley, porsche etc and others :wink:
You would of thought so wouldn't you, but in reality that is simply not the case, maybe Skoda need to 'prove a point'? which is why their cars are consistently screwed together than the VW car they are based upon.
Speaking from personal experience, the
MKI Octavia was better then the MK4 Golf,
MKI Skoda Superb was better than the Passat B5/ B5.5
MKII Octavia is better built than the MK5 Golf
MKII Superb better than the new Passat
SWMBO owns a MK5 Golf and whilst it is a good car, it suffers from crap build quality (for a German built car) the dashboard rattles and creaks like a good 'un and I don't expect to have to rectify VW poor build quality to make it quiet(er)
It is still a good car compared to others but put it next to an equivalent spec vRS and I'm afraid it comes 2nd.
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it's a can of worms! in volkswagen owned brands the cheapest hence poorest quality would be in quality ascending order skoda-seat-volkswagen-audi-bugatti, lamborginin, bentley, porsche etc and others :wink:
I think you'll find it goes.
Seat, Skoda, Volkswagen, Audi, Lamborghini + Porsche, Bentley
Or in other words show me a seat that is better built and uses better quality materials than the equivalent Skoda. Some would even question the VW coming before Skoda. But that is subject to good argument from both sides.
To the OP
If your concerned about space then it should be the Octavia :happy2:. If you are into badge snobbery then it needs to be the Golf :evilgrin:
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i think the build quality is very subjective..... My advice would be go with skoda for more practicality as bigger boot... although golf is very practical as well as are all hatchbacks
how does vrs handles compared to gti? I presume as it's bigger and heavier (i stand to be corrected here) handling would be compromised compared to gti???
only objective answers please
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The golf will handle marginally better than the vRS when stock. Neigh on identical once modded like for like though.
I for one when i was in the market drove both and just couldn't see why the golf was so much more expensive. Also to me theGTI just looked like any other golf until up close. The vRS looks like a vRS from any distance
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Get the VRS. You'll save thousands and get a newer car for the money. Given your circs you love the boot. The Vrs was the longest car I have ever owned at 3 years when most go at 18months.
Had 2 Mk5's now and whilst they look better and materials are better I have certainly had more creaks and had the dash apart in the golf, chasing about with felt tape.
Considerinf a CR Tdi Vrs to replace the R32.
Spec is the only disadvantage, very difficult to locate a Vrs with xenons and AFAIK mfsw is only available on DSG cars.
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octavia vrs definatly, i saved up for years to get a mk5 golf finally got one and to be honest bar the superb performence of the diesel engine with its funny idle, i think vw are living on past qaulity as i have found it to be not what i was expecting.
I have found rust on underside of bonnet where its warmer and not as open to the elements in my opinion. Everything is a optional extra suprised you even get electric windows lol.
The paint seems to be poor as mine has suffered stone chips at 60k, we have renault meganes on 90k rep cars in work with spot on paint. Although i saw the bosses audi a4 s-line 08 plate and his was also covered in stone chips front end.
Maybe i was expecting too much, although every time i get down the country lanes its soo much fun to drive and you forget the niggly things.
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hmm the VRS seems to be the winner here lol, what are mods like for them? all the same as the mk5 gti?
mitch
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Performance wise, they share the same engine, so intake, downpipe, intercooler, HPFP etc. I have just fitted the hardware for stage 2 myself with the software is going on in the new year. I will also be completing an S3 front brake upgrade when I can find a local powder coaters.
So in answer to your question.......yes! :driver:
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:happy2: need to find a test drive in one me thinks! then make my mind up i know how the mk5 gti drives as i had one but realy interested in the vrs! and that boot is huge!!, is the octavia a skoda jetta?
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:happy2: need to find a test drive in one me thinks! then make my mind up i know how the mk5 gti drives as i had one but realy interested in the vrs! and that boot is huge!!, is the octavia a skoda jetta?
I suppose you could compare it to the Jetta length wise, but thats where it ends, as you say the boot on the Octavia is huge. I have the estate, and on one occassion I had 3 sets of golf clubs, a couple of bags, the dog and her bed in the back with plenty of room to spare.
If you are anywhere near me, you are more than welcome to take mine out for a run. :happy2:
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:happy2: need to find a test drive in one me thinks! then make my mind up i know how the mk5 gti drives as i had one but realy interested in the vrs! and that boot is huge!!, is the octavia a skoda jetta?
I suppose you could compare it to the Jetta length wise, but thats where it ends, as you say the boot on the Octavia is huge. I have the estate, and on one occassion I had 3 sets of golf clubs, a couple of bags, the dog and her bed in the back with plenty of room to spare.
If you are anywhere near me, you are more than welcome to take mine out for a run. :happy2:
ha! loads of room then, not sure an estate is for me tho :grin: where abouts are you based?
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The estate is the best looking imo, but then I'm biased! :grin:
I'm in Whitfield, just outside Dover in Kent.
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Take your pram to a VW dealer, if it fits in a Golf, get the mark 5 GTi. If it doesn't fit, put the seats down and then get the Golf GTi.
There's a bloke down my road with a VRS, he always drives slowly past my Laser blue 3 dr with 18" Monza 2's, staring at it! You can tell what he'd rather be driving!
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Take your pram to a VW dealer, if it fits in a Golf, get the mark 5 GTi. If it doesn't fit, put the seats down and then get the Golf GTi.
There's a bloke down my road with a VRS, he always drives slowly past my Laser blue 3 dr with 18" Monza 2's, staring at it! You can tell what he'd rather be driving!
Or perhaps he is driving by slowly to say "This is what you should have bought" :signLOL:
I had the same problem but opted for the Octy, even though I didnt need a big boot. Mine soon will be Shark stage 3 with a nice new turbo back exhaust that is being developed using my car :evilgrin:
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I would have an ED30 over the vRS but the gti isn't worth the extra plus the Octavia looks better, IMO of course.
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Take your pram to a VW dealer, if it fits in a Golf, get the mark 5 GTi. If it doesn't fit, put the seats down and then get the Golf GTi.
There's a bloke down my road with a VRS, he always drives slowly past my Laser blue 3 dr with 18" Monza 2's, staring at it! You can tell what he'd rather be driving!
Not a bad idea, I did have one before my s3 for a while and they drive awsome! Just after having a jetta not sure i could loose the boot space : /
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Depends on how long you plan to keep it. If it is only a year or so then VRS with bigger boot which will accomodate the pram. But if it is longer bear in mind you won't need a pram for long as they get older you can use a small pushchair and then they walk. Don't just base it on the now circumstances if it is a long term car. I have a 5 door GT and a 4 year old and there is more than enough room for everything including his pushchair when he had one.
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Take your pram to a VW dealer, if it fits in a Golf, get the mark 5 GTi. If it doesn't fit, put the seats down and then get the Golf GTi.
There's a bloke down my road with a VRS, he always drives slowly past my Laser blue 3 dr with 18" Monza 2's, staring at it! You can tell what he'd rather be driving!
Not a bad idea, I did have one before my s3 for a while and they drive awsome! Just after having a jetta not sure i could loose the boot space : /
If you had an S3, you will be diappointed by both your options, sod it! Just go for an RS4 estate..........
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I don't think I could live with the Gti seats :sick:
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I don't think I could live with the Gti seats :sick:
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I don't think I could live with the front of a skoda, they all look like Adolf Hitler. :signLOL:
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Hitler? No, Dame Edna Everage? Maybe......
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I don't think the Marauder looks like Hitler either.....
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Fair enough Pagey, the Marauder looks pretty hot!
Black does camouflage the Skoda Hitler-tash though!
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im having the same thoughts myself. i have mk5 diesel 5door but really like the look of the octavia vrs est in blue. just torn between the two.
we have a week old baby so were going to need more room for the pram ect. well thats what im telling the mrs :evilgrin:
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The interior is a nicer place. The dashboard has nicer lines and a better driving position than a Golf. When i bought my vRS i could have had a GTI if i wanted but the GTI was too common around me and i needed the boot space.
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Blimey, it's like briskoda in here :smiley:
Suprised that there hasn't been more responses from GTI owners.
When I purchased my GTI in the summer, coming from a modified mk1 Fabia vRS SE, I originally looked at and test drove a few F/L Octy vRS' and would quite possibly have never ended up at a VW showroom had a salesman not been rude and spoken down to my wife :surprised:
Eventually went to VW and am happy with my choice - IMO it is the nicer looking car and I prefer the interior, but both will serve you very well :drinking:
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get the Octavia, im not biased! :signLOL:
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I've had a TFSI vRS, an Ed30, an .:R32 and a TSI vRS. Given your current situation the Octy is a no-brainer. Which is better?
They all are. :chicken:
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The s3 was a nice car but liked my gti more! Less refined and more fun to chuck about! Im realy torn now i think its guna come down to a test drive in the vrs!
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test drive both vrs and gti but go for gti.... I remember my father had skoda L120 couple of years back, made in Czech and no comparison to VW whatsoever in those years totally different era there.... younger crowd don't remember those but skoda was nowhere near brand it's now thanks to volkswagen... that's why even if those cars would be comparable in materials and performance the brand awareness and legacy is totally different, hence the difference in price for both brands.... some people might not care for that but there is reason why the top brands for genuinely same cars would be priced differently thanks to brand history, legacy and other intangible values....
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Fair enough Pagey, the Marauder looks pretty hot!
Black does camouflage the Skoda Hitler-tash though!
Thanks!..........I think? :drinking:
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It depends on which S3 you had?
I've only ever driven VW golfs.
My 1st car was a 1984 MK1 GTi
My 2nd car was a 1987 Mk2 GTi 16v
My 3rd car was a 2000 Mk4 GTi
My 4th car was a 2006 MK5 GTi (manual)
My 5th car is a 2010 Audi S3 DSG :drool:
If I have the choice and money, I will never go back to a VW after driving this car, it will be S3's all the way :jumping:
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Me too, I'm surprised more Mk5 GTi owners have not stood up for the best all-round car of the last decade! The one which returned the GTi name back to where it belonged; As a brilliant, useable and practical driver's tool. After the mediocrity of the Mk3 and Mk4, It really was a huge relief to a lot of us that VW returned to form. This is Mk5golfGTi.co.uk, after all!
I am thrilled with mine, it puts a smile on my face every time I look at it, drive it, or think about driving it! I'd never buy a Skoda, Seat, or Audi equivalent. The advert sums it all up for me: "And if you listen carefully, it sounds just like a Golf".........
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for practicality the VRS will take some beating, I was really impressed with the interior and boot space on Sy's a couple of years ago when we met at ITG. Tried to convince the misses to get one but she was havin non of it and bought a 1 series :stupid:, which although its a nice motor has cost her a fortune in faults
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I had a 2007 s3 2.0tfsi, mapped ect but the gri was so much more fun but hands down the interior in the s3 wins, i no the gti is a awsome car but the vrs looks more practical im guna try and test drive one over the weekend!!
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A3 Sline sportback? Smaller practical mini avant!....only downside is they tend to be more pricey in comparison.
"And if you listen carefully, it sounds just like a Golf".........
...only better! :grin:
Sorry mate couldn't resist that one.
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Me too, I'm surprised more Mk5 GTi owners have not stood up for the best all-round car of the last decade! The one which returned the GTi name back to where it belonged; As a brilliant, useable and practical driver's tool. After the mediocrity of the Mk3 and Mk4, It really was a huge relief to a lot of us that VW returned to form. This is Mk5golfGTi.co.uk, after all!
I am thrilled with mine, it puts a smile on my face every time I look at it, drive it, or think about driving it! I'd never buy a Skoda, Seat, or Audi equivalent. The advert sums it all up for me: "And if you listen carefully, it sounds just like a Golf".........
I am not saying they dont drive fantastically just the build qaulity just isnt there for what your paying over the odds compared to vauxhall saab ford etc
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I am not saying they dont drive fantastically just the build qaulity just isnt there for what your paying over the odds compared to vauxhall saab ford etc
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Vauxhall VXR's are all about power, and are too crudely engineered to keep it down on the road, Saab are history, and Fords drive brilliantly (well they did until Rick Parry-Jones retired) but are well below par in terms of quality.
I do agree with you when you start getting above the GTi however. The ED35 and R are far too expensive from new. by the time you spec them up you're in 1 year old Cayman & Boxster territory. I know where I'd put my 35K then! (if I had it!!) :signLOL:
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I am not saying they dont drive fantastically just the build qaulity just isnt there for what your paying over the odds compared to vauxhall saab ford etc
Vauxhall VXR's are all about power, and are too crudely engineered to keep it down on the road, Saab are history, and Fords drive brilliantly (well they did until Rick Parry-Jones retired) but are well below par in terms of quality.
I do agree with you when you start getting above the GTi however. The ED35 and R are far too expensive from new. by the time you spec them up you're in 1 year old Cayman & Boxster territory. I know where I'd put my 35K then! (if I had it!!) :signLOL:
I'd have an R over a Cockster any day! :laugh:
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R Over a boxster? Yeah probably, but over a Cayman R? Probably not if I'm honest.
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Maybe the Skoda's don't have the little finishing touches like the higher end VW's etc but the Octavia is a well built car, built like tanks. Reminds me of the old Vento's how solid they were..
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Maybe the Skoda's don't have the little finishing touches like the higher end VW's etc but the Octavia is a well built car, built like tanks. Reminds me of the old Vento's how solid they were..
Even better with a K04....... :notworthy:
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Which reminds me I really must get the rest of my parts ordered :party:
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Which reminds me I really must get the rest of my parts ordered :party:
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Having had both, I would say Mk5 Gti... I found it alot more "boaty"handling wise... Sure the boot is bigger(huge infact), but I bought one when expecting our first child, thinking sporty and practical... wasn't impressed so traded in for an Mk5 R32... which was awesome and still big enough to fit a travel system(huge) pushchair in, and had all the space practicality required(even with the smaller raise floored boot)... Alos did a trip to southampton and brought back tons of boxes full of nursery furniture/cot etc...
Perfect all round family car... :happy2:
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Having had both, I would say Mk5 Gti... I found it alot more "boaty"handling wise... Sure the boot is bigger(huge infact), but I bought one when expecting our first child, thinking sporty and practical... wasn't impressed so traded in for an Mk5 R32... which was awesome and still big enough to fit a travel system(huge) pushchair in, and had all the space practicality required(even with the smaller raise floored boot)... Alos did a trip to southampton and brought back tons of boxes full of nursery furniture/cot etc...
Perfect all round family car... :happy2:
I have to agree with the handling, swmbo's GT on OE suspension handles far better than my vRS on -30mm springs, but I do think if it had uprated dampers it would be better....the HUGE ar5e doesn't help though!
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KW V1's ftw on the vRS :wink:
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KW V1's ftw on the vRS :wink:
But also ftw on the GTi :grin:
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Yes but they probably make a greater difference on the vRS. I never felt either of my Golfs needed suspension. :smiley:
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Yes but they probably make a greater difference on the vRS. I never felt either of my Golfs needed suspension. :smiley:
How did they drive with no suspension? :stupid: :P
KW V1's ftw on the vRS :wink:
That is an expense swmbo will NOT allow....... :scared:
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It could of been worse......
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well went out today and had a look and a drive of a reflex silver VRS on an 06 plate... and loved it! it didnt feel that "boaty" as people have mentioned the drive is really solid more solid infact than my mk5 jetta! it would deffo need a map but tehy do pull very wel and there is so much room inside them and was quite surprised by the spec with 6 cd changer, ipod interface ect the only thing i think ile miss is the nice blue dash as its green!... :confused: i left it there anyway to have a think about it.... would have to try and shift on my jetta aswell....
mitch
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Username change required? :innocent: