MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: baldwined30 on December 18, 2011, 12:40:41 pm
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As above, thinking of changing for a 330D sport (of course) probably wont touch it at all as want it as a family car, load lugger, mile cruncher. Just wondering if anyone had knowledge of this car. The price range im looking at is higher milage too. Cheers gents
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Great engine, fun to drive, economical, super reliable and very tunable. Also look at the 335d :wink:
Both are great as standard and a good map improves economy and drivability massively. Go for an auto.
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Glad you replied PDT!!! What's about high milers??? Can't strentch to the 335d!!
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I've also been looking at these.
Why an Auto?
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... economical....
Are they though, Dave?
Stats suggest the Auto gives similar fuel economy to that of the MK5 GTI and I don't consider mine to be economical as such :laugh:
I think majority of stats reckon it'll do 38MPG on the combined cycle, which I'd struggle to better in reality with mixed driving.
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I have a 2010 E92 330d ... 6 to 60 and 15 to 100 according to Autocar. Having come from an Edition 30 and a Z4M I reckon those figures are about right.
I have had mine 9 months and love it. Auto, quick and handles ... Extremely well made and full of toys :smiley:
Economy wise is does far better than my Ed30 did and so it should ! I used to get an average of 28 out of my Ed30 for the routes I do ... and I get 39 from the 330d on the same journeys .... The highest I had from my Ed30 was 34mpg - and I was impressed with that given the performance on offer (by then it was Bluefin remapped). The highest I have had over a 200 mile A road and motorway journey in the 330d was 54mpg !!
Basically in solely stop start town traffic I get about 35mpg ... and on a run just under 50mpg ... and I love it - the noise ain't too bad for a diesel neither :laugh:
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Also, arent the facelifts revised engines?
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would love a facelift version but want to pay cash, fed spending out on cars! Want a fast reliable eco car!!
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I have a 2010 E92 330d ... 6 to 60 and 15 to 100 according to Autocar. Having come from an Edition 30 and a Z4M I reckon those figures are about right.
I have had mine 9 months and love it. Auto, quick and handles ... Extremely well made and full of toys :smiley:
Economy wise is does far better than my Ed30 did and so it should ! I used to get an average of 28 out of my Ed30 for the routes I do ... and I get 39 from the 330d on the same journeys .... The highest I had from my Ed30 was 34mpg - and I was impressed with that given the performance on offer (by then it was Bluefin remapped). The highest I have had over a 200 mile A road and motorway journey in the 330d was 54mpg !!
Basically in solely stop start town traffic I get about 35mpg ... and on a run just under 50mpg ... and I love it - the noise ain't too bad for a diesel neither :laugh:
Got any pics?
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Also, arent the facelifts revised engines?
It is ... though you can get the new engine from sometime 2008 onwards ... as in you don't have to have the 2010 facelift - the engine was put in earlier I believe on the E90 ?
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I have a 2010 E92 330d ... 6 to 60 and 15 to 100 according to Autocar. Having come from an Edition 30 and a Z4M I reckon those figures are about right.
I have had mine 9 months and love it. Auto, quick and handles ... Extremely well made and full of toys :smiley:
Economy wise is does far better than my Ed30 did and so it should ! I used to get an average of 28 out of my Ed30 for the routes I do ... and I get 39 from the 330d on the same journeys .... The highest I had from my Ed30 was 34mpg - and I was impressed with that given the performance on offer (by then it was Bluefin remapped). The highest I have had over a 200 mile A road and motorway journey in the 330d was 54mpg !!
Basically in solely stop start town traffic I get about 35mpg ... and on a run just under 50mpg ... and I love it - the noise ain't too bad for a diesel neither :laugh:
Got any pics?
Sadly not any of note .. but FWIW it looks great :grin: It's a black coupe with cream leather ... and 19" 313M Alloys - which look great but attract kerbs :ashamed:
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... economical....
Are they though, Dave?
Stats suggest the Auto gives similar fuel economy to that of the MK5 GTI and I don't consider mine to be economical as such :laugh:
I think majority of stats reckon it'll do 38MPG on the combined cycle, which I'd struggle to better in reality with mixed driving.
40mpg combined is reasonable, can see another 3-5mpg with a good map. My 330d would get 48-52mpg on a run and 34-35 when used for short trips.
whats your budget?
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Hi, I went from a 55 plate GTI to a 2009 (59) plate E92, 330D with loads of toys.
I am amazed by the cars pull and the the way it handles the road.
Upsides
Good mpg (echo the above)
550 miles to a tank!
quiet/ refined
interior quality
handling
great engine
auto box superb
downsides
The sat nav I got is now out of date (its the professional in dash version) BM want a staggering £360 to bring it up to date.
There are a number of 19" wheels cracking on pot holes, hassles with BMW
There are a few of the headlight washer caps coming off. BM try to blame the concentration in the wash fluid...i think it a design flaw personally.
I have fitted 4 winter 18"s wheels and tyres due to the crap handling in the snow of teh rear wheel drive. But, so far these have done the trick nicely.
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Hi, I went from a 55 plate GTI to a 2009 (59) plate E92, 330D with loads of toys.
downsides
There are a number of 19" wheels cracking on pot holes, hassles with BMW
There are a few of the headlight washer caps coming off. BM try to blame the concentration in the wash fluid...i think it a design flaw personally.
I presume you have the slightly older 223 alloys ... a bloke I work with had three replaced by BMW ... seems to be a poor design. I have the newer 313M 19" wheels which seem O\k for cracking but stick out beyond the tyre - or certainly level with it and the result is any even slight error is greeted with a kerbed alloy !
As for the windscreen washer fluid - I have heard re this and have been topping up with almost neat -50 fluid as that is cheaper than BMW squirming out of a warranty claim for the headlamp washer cover.
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eeek sorry dont know what is on the car they are 19" oem (of course) I thought 225 but unlike the dub I am not really up on option codes and the like....I havent had ANY issues so far with anything (other than the sat nav update grr). I was merely extending some of my limited knowledge to the OP so he can look into each issue further and be more informed. :happy2:
And yes at £3 per litre I just pour concentrate into the resevoir really and top up with a little water. Like on the GTI i only EVER use approved stuff.
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eeek sorry dont know what is on the car they are 19" oem (of course) I thought 225 but unlike the dub I am not really up on option codes and the like....I havent had ANY issues so far with anything (other than the sat nav update grr). I was merely extending some of my limited knowledge to the OP so he can look into each issue further and be more informed. :happy2:
And yes at £3 per litre I just pour concentrate into the resevoir really and top up with a little water. Like on the GTI i only EVER use approved stuff.
Ah, sorry .. you are right - it is 225's ... glad your alloys are OK :happy2:
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I presume you have the slightly older 223 alloys ... a bloke I work with had three replaced by BMW ... seems to be a poor design. I have the newer 313M 19" wheels which seem O\k for cracking but stick out beyond the tyre - or certainly level with it and the result is any even slight error is greeted with a kerbed alloy !
As for the windscreen washer fluid - I have heard re this and have been topping up with almost neat -50 fluid as that is cheaper than BMW squirming out of a warranty claim for the headlamp washer cover.
The 313M 19's do look absolutely awesome tho. Are they diamond cut (like GTi Monza's)?
EDIT: Also can anyone recommend a must have optional extra? Any particular one to look out for?
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I presume you have the slightly older 223 alloys ... a bloke I work with had three replaced by BMW ... seems to be a poor design. I have the newer 313M 19" wheels which seem O\k for cracking but stick out beyond the tyre - or certainly level with it and the result is any even slight error is greeted with a kerbed alloy !
As for the windscreen washer fluid - I have heard re this and have been topping up with almost neat -50 fluid as that is cheaper than BMW squirming out of a warranty claim for the headlamp washer cover.
The 313M 19's do look absolutely awesome tho. Are they diamond cut (like GTi Monza's)?
EDIT: Also can anyone recommend a must have optional extra? Any particular one to look out for?
They are awesome ... and diamond cut ... but, as I say, they project too far and though I am careful I have lightly scuffed three when parking ! I have not touched an alloy wheel in years and years - these are kerb magnets ... and do not refurb easy ! They refurb once only and Lepsons will now only do them by the set due to colour matching problems. They had one of my wheels for 4 months and won't do the rest on their own :(
A must have optional extra .... this may be controversial but I would actually say the auto box ! Many speak of the manual being rare ... I would say the engine suits the auto box perfectly and come resale time you will get hammered for not having an auto ... just my view FWIW.
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The professional nav I think completes the dash board but as I have said to you via PM that you should be careful over the version and getting it updated as part of the sale if possible. Bluetooth essential and be careful that the level of iPod/ iPhone integration suits you.
Cruise (not sure if standard), xenons, leather and heated seats are all good in the msport variety. On some there are front and rear parking sensors and auto dimming of high beam, with active cruise control an option too.
It is a class up from the GTI, but I do miss her, the GTI has more character and personality. Would I change back? no not for now I am enjoying the 550 miles to the tank over the 275 I used to get!
Best really trawl the e90post forum or the bimmerforums for a lot of background information.
hth
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@SO8
Would you say the auto box is as good as the DSG? My ED30 has DSG so would be an interesting comparison.
The reason I make the comparison is because I use to have a BMW 330Ci E46 in Auto and that was terrible. No paddle on the steering wheel and the kickdown was a nightmare.
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My list would be:
Msport
Leather
Xenons
Pro sat nav
Bluetooth
Heated seats
Auto
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My list would be:
Msport
Leather
Xenons
Pro sat nav
Bluetooth
Heated seats
Auto
Small note, but the Xenons and yellow Angel eyes are standard equip' on the Coupes and optional on the Saloons/Tourers IIRC :happy2:
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-BMW-330D-M-SPORT-AUTO-SILVER-/160702493360?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D4%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5053574374366592608#ht_500wt_1132 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-BMW-330D-M-SPORT-AUTO-SILVER-/160702493360?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D4%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5053574374366592608#ht_500wt_1132)
What do you guys think of this??
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Small note, but the Xenons and yellow Angel eyes are standard equip' on the Coupes and optional on the Saloons/Tourers IIRC :happy2:
Also, rear parking sensors and cruise and standard on MSport Coupes from what I've noticed.
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@SO8
Would you say the auto box is as good as the DSG? My ED30 has DSG so would be an interesting comparison.
The reason I make the comparison is because I use to have a BMW 330Ci E46 in Auto and that was terrible. No paddle on the steering wheel and the kickdown was a nightmare.
Pazz,
I loved the DSG on my Edition 30 and no, it is not the same ... but is, IMO, very good.
It is a 'conventional' auto with torque converter but seems more responsive than the 2002 E46 330i I had years back.
I found DSG was great going up through the box but could take ages to select if kicking down at certain speeds. I also found it didn't really like crawling in stop start traffic - i.e. it wasn't that smooth.
In both these areas the BMW auto in my 330d is far better but the box is no DSG for fast changes. It is not slow by any means but DSG is so different. Sorry I can't be more helpful - the best way is to try one. I love the auto and would not have a diesel manual as, having driven them, there is simply too much gear changing and not enough fun as you can't really hold gears and end up driving on a wave of torque.
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I'd also pay attention to the angel eyes early versions are yellow halogen even with main beam xenon. Older post lci versions I believe get a whiter angel eye, these may be xenon or just led but this is a heads up to ensure you are not disappointed post purchase.
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Keeping this one alive guys, out of interest what kind of power is realistic from the 330d with the 232hp block?
I was discussing this with a friend and I felt 290hp was realistic with a stage 2 map and a good exhaust, perhaps Eisenmann or Milltek to take two? Is that achievable or can you not do as much with them as I'm thinking? I'd expect 280/290hp would make it quite a rapid tank with torque figures to support these :happy2:
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I offer 2 maps on a stock 330d 231hp. First makes 275ish hp with 65ftlb gain in torque and the other makes 295hp with an extra 110 ftlb. The only problem is that the airbox vibrates with the higher power map and it tends to kill clutches on higher milage cars :evilgrin:
Ideal on an auto though. Have tuned loads with the higher power option, never had any reliability issues.
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^ Decent results.
Is there a VCDS equivalent for the BMW canbus/electronics?
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Yes, it's something like: Bavarian auto technik.
Locked to the first vehicle it's used on though I think, unless you purchase the pro version
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^ Useful to know, cheers Dave.
Is it as flexible as VCDS i.e. adjusting electronics, clearing error codes & acquiring diag output? Being nearly three years into the VAG scene with regular VCDS use, I'd find it hard to jump to BMW without knowing there's something as capable for playing with the 330D. I've looked at these and the 120D/123D too, so the need to tweak would be just as much :wink:
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What power from 123d as I've been looking at these as a second car?( mapped power )
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Last I tuned made +56hp and +89nm on a stock car.
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I'll keep the ownership based questions so it's useful for anyone else looking at them:
How easy is it to do an oil change on these, just as easy and accessible as on the MK5?
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I sold my mk5 gti in September I miss a little but I replaced it with a 2007 320d m sport 5 door 177bhp it's a ace to drive but I'm dying to get it mapped but I don't want to blow the turbo
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We have tuned 100+ 177hp bmw's and never had any reliability issues. Our own 177hp 320d was mapped st just 3k miles and now has 117k miles, still as good as the day it was bought.
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We have tuned 100+ 177hp bmw's and never had any reliability issues. Our own 177hp 320d was mapped st just 3k miles and now has 117k miles, still as good as the day it was bought.
Sorry to hijack this thread but I'm currently looking at getting an e90 320D Touring for my missus just wondered if there's much to look out for on them ?
Cheers matt
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(Sticking with the original theme) I've gotta be honest but the next motor purchase needs to be as close to 50mpg combined mixed driving and 600 miles from a fully brimmed tank as possible, which has got me looking at the 325d manual.
Same engine as the 330d I understand, just a smaller turbo and lower power output in the 325d from what I've seen?
Most manual drivers blogs' I've seen reckon they see 49mpg ish combined which I think is very steady efficiency for a heavy ish' straight 6 TDI.
Having looked at some videos on the tube I get the impression a map and downpipe helps these to produce a nice sound?
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(Sticking with the original theme) I've gotta be honest but the next motor purchase needs to be as close to 50mpg combined mixed driving and 600 miles from a fully brimmed tank as possible, which has got me looking at the 325d manual.
Same engine as the 330d I understand, just a smaller turbo and lower power output in the 325d from what I've seen?
Most manual drivers blogs' I've seen reckon they see 49mpg ish combined which I think is very steady efficiency for a heavy ish' straight 6 TDI.
Having looked at some videos on the tube I get the impression a map and downpipe helps these to produce a nice sound?
The 325Ds have a single turbo and the 330/335Ds have twin turbos. I have a 525D (same 3 litre engine) and there is nothing like a smooth 6 cylinder TDI.
Alex
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I offer 2 maps on a stock 330d 231hp. First makes 275ish hp with 65ftlb gain in torque and the other makes 295hp with an extra 110 ftlb. The only problem is that the airbox vibrates with the higher power map and it tends to kill clutches on higher milage cars :evilgrin:
Ideal on an auto though. Have tuned loads with the higher power option, never had any reliability issues.
Dave,
Does the stage 1 map remove the 155mph limiter and if not, can it be removed?
Will the 330d progress much past 155mph even if it could be removed?
Thanks.
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The 325Ds have a single turbo and the 330/335Ds have twin turbos. I have a 525D (same 3 litre engine) and there is nothing like a smooth 6 cylinder TDI.
Alex
Incorrect....the 330d is a single turbo, the 335d is a twin turbo
I currently run a 335d E92 coupe, running a DTUK CRD-T tuning box and make 340bhp, 510 lbs/ft torque, my car returns an average of 36/38 to the tank with mixed driving and spirited driving.
On a steady long run I can get 50 ish mpg .... Constant 70/80 on a motorway.
I'm on my second 335d coupe now, I love it, best of everything IMO....looks, power/performance, economy and nt expensive to run either.
The only negative side is the tyres, good quality branded tyres aren't cheap, but all in all, they're a great car !!
The 330d is equally as good, just not a quick and I prefer the power delivery of the twin turbo over the single turbo found on the 330d
Oh, and the auto box with sport option (paddles) would be better if your planning on a power increase, otherwise you'll be forever changing gear !!
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depending on your model year, things to look out for or be aware of:
Swirl flaps
Turbo
Auto box sump
cracked alloys
Ditch the runflats if fitted.
There are a few BMW equivalents of vag com, but no where near the price of vag com.
Bavarian Technik home use is around £300, or pro is about £800.
If you want something to use on just your car, look for the program DIS.
This is what we used to use at BMW before upgrading diagnostic systems.
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Incorrect....the 330d is a single turbo, the 335d is a twin turbo
I currently run a 335d E92 coupe, running a DTUK CRD-T tuning box and make 340bhp, 510 lbs/ft torque, my car returns an average of 36/38 to the tank with mixed driving and spirited driving.
On a steady long run I can get 50 ish mpg .... Constant 70/80 on a motorway.
I'm on my second 335d coupe now, I love it, best of everything IMO....looks, power/performance, economy and nt expensive to run either.
The only negative side is the tyres, good quality branded tyres aren't cheap, but all in all, they're a great car !!
The 330d is equally as good, just not a quick and I prefer the power delivery of the twin turbo over the single turbo found on the 330d
Oh, and the auto box with sport option (paddles) would be better if your planning on a power increase, otherwise you'll be forever changing gear !!
Have you had both manual and an auto? There seems to be significantly more auto's available, I suppose due to the lazy exec's.
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The 325Ds have a single turbo and the 330/335Ds have twin turbos. I have a 525D (same 3 litre engine) and there is nothing like a smooth 6 cylinder TDI.
Alex
Only 335/535d have twin turbo, all others (320, 330, 325... Have single) apart from123d, that has twin turbo.
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I offer 2 maps on a stock 330d 231hp. First makes 275ish hp with 65ftlb gain in torque and the other makes 295hp with an extra 110 ftlb. The only problem is that the airbox vibrates with the higher power map and it tends to kill clutches on higher milage cars :evilgrin:
Ideal on an auto though. Have tuned loads with the higher power option, never had any reliability issues.
Dave,
Does the stage 1 map remove the 155mph limiter and if not, can it be removed?
Will the 330d progress much past 155mph even if it could be removed?
Thanks.
We offer speed limiter removal as a FOC option with all maps.
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The 325Ds have a single turbo and the 330/335Ds have twin turbos. I have a 525D (same 3 litre engine) and there is nothing like a smooth 6 cylinder TDI.
Alex
Incorrect....the 330d is a single turbo, the 335d is a twin turbo
I currently run a 335d E92 coupe, running a DTUK CRD-T tuning box and make 340bhp, 510 lbs/ft torque, my car returns an average of 36/38 to the tank with mixed driving and spirited driving.
On a steady long run I can get 50 ish mpg .... Constant 70/80 on a motorway.
I'm on my second 335d coupe now, I love it, best of everything IMO....looks, power/performance, economy and nt expensive to run either.
The only negative side is the tyres, good quality branded tyres aren't cheap, but all in all, they're a great car !!
The 330d is equally as good, just not a quick and I prefer the power delivery of the twin turbo over the single turbo found on the 330d
Oh, and the auto box with sport option (paddles) would be better if your planning on a power increase, otherwise you'll be forever changing gear !!
Change that resistor in a box 'aka' tuning box for something that reconfigures the in gear torque limiters and increases boost and airflow limiter maps (all that is raised by a tuning box is fuel pressure, resulting in the engine running on the torque limiters) and you will be blown away by the improvement. An extra 60-70 ftlb is easily achievable and loads more mid range bhp.
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Change that resistor in a box 'aka' tuning box for something that reconfigures the in gear torque limiters and increases boost and airflow limiter maps (all that is raised by a tuning box is fuel pressure, resulting in the engine running on the torque limiters) and you will be blown away by the improvement. An extra 60-70 ftlb is easily achievable and loads more mid range bhp.
I hear what your saying, and I would be tempted to have a remap, but due tot he frequency I change my vehicles it's value for money for me running a tuning box.
Mine isn't the cheapo 'resistor in a box' as you say, those types come with a load of problems !
Correct, my tuning box does up the fuel pressure, but it also increases the boost level too - and having had it checked by a local diesel tuner the cylinder temps ect.... Are all optimal, no undue stresses and no limits being being archived on fuelling side of things, likewise with the boost.
I agree, yes, from a remap I could get more out of the engine, but the ZF box coupled to the 35d engine would be on the manufactures (ZF) limits !
As I do allot of miles and at time drive spiritedly, I have no wish to broach these limits as I would like longevity out of the car and associated parts.
I bought the car with circa 40k on it, and have done nearly an additional 60k in under two years, with only the seals in one of the boost hoses needed to be replaced.
Never hadley DPF issues, never had a DPF light, the regen's occur as they should and I have literally had no issues
The only thing I have had done to the car was a full software update from BMW as it was on the original 2007software and I thought it wouldn't hurt to update it :D
Just out of curiosity, the price for a remap of my car, E92 335d would be what from yourself ???
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Map price is £399, heres a vid:
We have mapped a fair few 335d's that had the same resistor box that you have, the response from owners that have made the switch is that they cant believe the difference in drivability and mid range power.
BMW are very specific about the max rail pressure you should have, boxes massively exceed these limits. The boost plug in will be adding no 'real' boost as the ECU monitors boost pressure via airflow limiters, the box cant alter these. So altjough it will try and trick the engine into adding boost, it will simply overboost for a moment before ECU corrects it again. I have pent 100's of hours testing various boxes for many companies, not yet impressed by any of them, tbh thre hasnt been much of a difference between the £300/500 boxes and the £50/100 boxes, they all pretty much do the same thing by applying +\- resistance values to trick the ECU.